datdude said:

kangafunk said:

This just may be the best post I've read on this forum.

Pretty DAMN close for me!

Great post, thank you!

I heard Trendin on the radio at work today,cool ha ha ha but I didnt hear an introdution of them as the Time or O7ven I just noticed the song and turned the radio up, it was followed by another song, when the DJ spoke again she did not mention the artist she most have did it before hand and I missed it but I didnt miss the song ha ha ha. It was great to here the Times new single on the radio, did you hear it on the radio too I hope yah did.By the way the album is a 10, thanks you guys for all the thought you put in the record you thinking of us/me and every little note is appreciated, thanks Jesse for having the gang add more songs. See you guys at the concert!

1725topp said:

I picked up the Condensate DVD/CD today and have to say I was pleasantly surprised, it is far better than I expected.

While I found the title song and Trendin okay, I absolutely Role Play and I also really enjoyed Hey Yo & Sick.

I can't wait to see them in concert, last time I saw Morris and some of the Time members was a free New Years Eve show a few years ago in a nearby casino. I would gladly pay to see O7.

Nice CD, reminds me of Pandemonium minus Prince. I wouldn't say it's better Planet Earth, 3121, MPLsound or 20Ten. P has nothing 2 worry 'bout!!! There is sumthin really familiar about Trendin', it reminds me of another song by a younger artist like Britney or someone like that. Still too early for me to love it but I do like . Out of all Morris' cds The Time, What Time Is It, Ice Cream Castles, Color of Success, Day Dreaming & Pandemonium (never hear Guarenteed) it's ranking under Pandemonium & above Day Dreaming, with Pandemonium ranking under the rest!

BEAUGARDE said:

Nice CD, reminds me of Pandemonium minus Prince. I wouldn't say it's better Planet Earth, 3121, MPLsound or 20Ten. P has nothing 2 worry 'bout!!! There is sumthin really familiar about Trendin', it reminds me of another song by a younger artist like Britney or someone like that. Still too early for me to love it but I do like . Out of all Morris' cds The Time, What Time Is It, Ice Cream Castles, Color of Success, Day Dreaming & Pandemonium (never hear Guarenteed) it's ranking under Pandemonium & above Day Dreaming, with Pandemonium ranking under the rest!

I think it kills those cds and im really digging the album theres not one song on it i hate.

Sorry but nobody gives a shit about O7's releases or Prince's releases nowadays apart from us, a small community of fans.

I don't think Prince has much respect for people who are stuck in the past. Clearly, he doesn't give a shit.

alxndrstff said:

SoulAlive said:

Song of the day: "Cadillac" by the Original 7Ven

If Prince had released that, it would have taken an absolute pounding on here.

+1

Some old Minneapolis sound with 0 improvement. And always the same lyrics about money, showing off, fancy cars, girls and blablabla. ZZZZzzzzzz

Honestly... I mean I like Morris and the boys but how come you guys like this tacky piece of shit coming right from the eighties that is Trending? Even the arrangements are ridiculous (God... the key, meh).

purplefingers said:

I heard Trendin on the radio at work today,cool ha ha ha but I didnt hear an introdution of them as the Time or O7ven I just noticed the song and turned the radio up, it was followed by another song, when the DJ spoke again she did not mention the artist she most have did it before hand and I missed it

What decade are you living in ? They don't tell you what the songs are anymore..

You are lucky if they announce 1 in 10 songs on the radio these days ...

ohYeeeeeah said:

Honestly... I mean I like Morris and the boys but how come you guys like this tacky piece of shit coming right from the eighties that is Trending? Even the arrangements are ridiculous (God... the key, meh).

Like the best Time singles from the past,this song is fun,catchy,funky and has alot of attitude.The chorus/hook is addictive.

ohYeeeeeah said:

this tacky piece of shit coming right from the eighties

ohYeeeeeah said:

alxndrstff said:

If Prince had released that, it would have taken an absolute pounding on here.

+1

Some old Minneapolis sound with 0 improvement. And always the same lyrics about money, showing off, fancy cars, girls and blablabla. ZZZZzzzzzz

These guys have a pimp/playa image.What are they supposed to sing about.....politics and war? That's not what they're about.

NouveauDance said:

ohYeeeeeah said:

this tacky piece of shit coming right from the eighties

If P released such a tacky tune with horrid heavy eightish keys and such a poor chorus (and btw he has done it himself a few times! ), you'd be all over him and I'd be as well. This is simply some awful radio friendly crap.

Sorry if I dig more sophisticated music than you do apparently .

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SoulAlive said:

ohYeeeeeah said:

+1

Some old Minneapolis sound with 0 improvement. And always the same lyrics about money, showing off, fancy cars, girls and blablabla. ZZZZzzzzzz

These guys have a pimp/playa image.What are they supposed to sing about.....politics and war? That's not what they're about.

If you're still amused with the mirror act, with the same dance steps they've been doing for 30 years, with the same musical cliches and the same lyrics about fancy cars, money and women who are supposed not to resist them, fair enough.

Sorry for you mate but I've grown up since PR.

FunkDr said:

that's my point Nouveau - he has and when he has, he gets slammed on here for it - e.g. 20Ten album.

+1

They're doing exactly what I cannot stand in some recent Prince outputs. Why would I be more indulgent with them than I'm with Prince?

I like new Prince stuff like LotusFlow3r and I hate it when Prince desperately tries to copy his old Minneapolis sound stuff.

ohYeeeeeah said:

SoulAlive said:

These guys have a pimp/playa image.What are they supposed to sing about.....politics and war? That's not what they're about.

If you're still amused with the mirror act, with the same dance steps they've been doing for 30 years, with the same musical cliches and the same lyrics about fancy cars, money and women who are supposed not to resist them, fair enough.

Sorry for you mate but I've grown up since PR.

I suppose you would prefer that they become JWs,stop cussing,and do "clean" songs instead? Let's call up Larry Graham,maybe he could convince them to join the cult?

It's great that you have "grown up" but being grown up shouldn't mean that you lose your sense of fun.

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SoulAlive said:

ohYeeeeeah said:

If you're still amused with the mirror act, with the same dance steps they've been doing for 30 years, with the same musical cliches and the same lyrics about fancy cars, money and women who are supposed not to resist them, fair enough.

Sorry for you mate but I've grown up since PR.

I suppose you would prefer that they become JWs,stop cussing,and do "clean" songs instead? Let's call up Larry Graham,maybe he could convince them to join the cult?

It's great that you have "grown up" but being grown up shouldn't mean that you lose your sense of fun.

[Edited 10/26/11 6:35am]

My idea of fun is not someone repeating the same joke over and over again. When P does it, I yawn. Same goes for The O7.

I saw The Time 5 times live and I've seen the same show everytime (my fav moments being Jungle Love and the Bird everytime though! God, I love these tunes).

I keep reading it as' the original oven'

HonestMan13 said:

2elijah said:

I'm going to agree with Graycap23 and FunkDr, because I think some folks have lost their sense of reality. There's really no competition between the two, to be honest.

Original7ven aka The Time, are who they are because of Prince. Even with the name change. Same members, style of appearance, different name, but technically still "The Time". I think their music style will be similar to the former 'Time' and they will probably use similar comedic gestures and characterizations of themselves as performers on stage, especially Morris and Jerome, which fans often associate with members of the former 'Time'. No I haven't listened to the entire album yet, but the titles alone are a giveaway to what I can expect, and so far quite a few fans seem to like the cd.

Don't get me wrong, this is not to put the group down, as I like the group, always have, but it would take them 2 lifetimes to catch up with Prince's catalogue, which they shouldn't even be compared to starting out as the "Original7ven"with their own music. Prior to that, in the 80s they were a 'bite from Prince's music and career' and under their new name, just like in the 80s, many of their fans will be from Prince's fan base.

I believe the Original7ven will always be seen as the former Time group, because of their association with Prince in the past, regardless of the name change. Their image and type of music, may possibly remain more or less within the same realm of the former Time group, whereas Prince's music is constantly changing over the years, maintaining a sense of unpredictability, taking risks with it, and refusing to be pigeonholed into one genre, which has allowed him to provide more of a variety of music to his fans/audiences, and that alone has made him a more interesting and challenging musician/artist/performer.

[Edited 10/20/11 8:07am]

This is right on point. This is a great CD and I hope it does well but keep in mind that this group has kept you waiting 21 years for new music. We're going to devour it because we're hungry for it. If any artist you followed made you wait that long for a CD you'd have the same reaction to it's release. Some of the songs are totally killer and some are totally filler. Keep it in perspective. Prince has done far more than 14 songs in the past 21 years that match if not outshine these tracks.

i'm curious about these 14 songs

L4OATheOriginal said:

HonestMan13 said:

This is right on point. This is a great CD and I hope it does well but keep in mind that this group has kept you waiting 21 years for new music. We're going to devour it because we're hungry for it. If any artist you followed made you wait that long for a CD you'd have the same reaction to it's release. Some of the songs are totally killer and some are totally filler. Keep it in perspective. Prince has done far more than 14 songs in the past 21 years that match if not outshine these tracks.

i'm curious about these 14 songs

I'm just going to name a few:

My Name is Prince

Sexy MotherFucker

Love to the 9's

7

Gold

Endorphine Machine

Shhh

Billy Jack Bitch

Days O Wild

The Holy River

Dreamin' about U

Joint 2 joint

Let's have a baby

When the lights go down

It's about that walk

There is lonely

The Rainbow Children

Muse to Pharaoh

Digital Garden

1+1+1 = 3

The Everlasting now

Family Name

The Sensual Everafter

The Truth

Third Eye

The Other side of the Pillow

3121

Love

The Word

Avalanche

One nite alone

U're gonna c me

Come Back

Boom

Dreamer

$

Colonized Mind

Wall of Berlin

1725topp said:

funksterr said:

Prince music isn't deep. At his zenith it was SEX, SEX, SEX. Then it became crying-over-disgruntled-gold-diggers, music-to-listen-to-while-reading-his-watchtower, and race-baiting-fight-the-hollywood-lawyers mantras. Lately it's basically fcuk-the-internet tracks and castrated-vault-material from his heydey. Look..

I believe Prince, is a superior, but very selfish artist, and that's why so many of his projects are unlistenable to the common music lover. His stuff get's incredibly idiosyncratic, and at at certain point, commercial music is meant to be enjoyed by the listener/ end-user. So in that sense if you can't enjoy what Prince is doing, then his strength has become a weakness and as such he becomes WORST than everyone else, not BETTER.

Your statement, "At his zenith it was SEX, SEX, SEX," proves that either you were not truly listening or just could not comprehend the layers of commentary of Prince's work. If you check Prince: A Pop Life, The Lyrics of Prince, or just truly analyze the double and triple metaphors of Prince's work, you would realize that Prince's discussion of sex was a discussion of human neurosis. Where other artists were using objects and images as metaphors for sex, Prince was using sex as a metaphor to discuss human longing for completion. As he, himself, stated, "More than being just about sex, my songs are about longing and the need for connection." You do realize that "Sexuality" is a socio-political song about liberation from hypocritical and prescribed social norms? Of course "Party Up" is an anti-war song. You do know that "Baby" is a very subtle and smart song about unexpectant pregnancy with a male speaker accepting full responsibility to be a father. "Ronnie Talk to Russia," yeah, that's sex, sex, sex. "When Doves Cry," a haunting song about how coming from a dysfunctional family hinders one's ability to develop healthy relationships, yeah, that's sex, sex, sex. "Uptown" is another commentary on individuality, and years later he was reaffirming that with "Walk, Don't Walk" and countless other songs. Even a song like "Little Red Corvette" provides a look into the schizophrenic male mentality as the speaker is not sure if he wants to sex or save the female. He warns her about going too fast, but then only wants her to slow down so that he has the chance to drive her. "Free" is about being thankful for living in a place where one has the freedom to speak one's mind but also asserts that people must continue to fight for these freedoms or they can be lost. Yeah, that's more sex, sex, sex. The entire Around the World in a Day album is about anything but sex for sex sake where even a song like "Tambourine," which is about masturbation, uses masturbation as a metaphor for the unfulfilled life that one unsuccessfully attempts to escape through sex, which climaxes, pun intended, with "Temptation" when we hear that love and lust are different and that we cannot sex our way to inner peace. It may not be high philosophy, but it does have depth, especially in a society where so many people do use sex like another drug. “America” anyone? “Sign ‘O” the Times”? Just listing these last two songs causes me to question if you really are a Prince fan. And what I love about "Colonized Mind" is that while his religious beliefs have become more traditional his F-the world attitude has not, challenging all those who think that he has been brainwashed by asking if they are actually the ones who have been brainwashed. Agree with his stance or not, it is still F-the world. I could provide many more examples, but I'm sure that my examples would be too idiosyncratic or obtuse for you to understand.

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And as for your "race-baiting" comment, I'll just file you under the many former fans who feel betrayed because a black man has the nerve to discuss issues that affect the black community. I mean, how dare he? Who does he think he is to create art from a "black" perspective? Why would any black person dare to create art that seeks to uplift and champion the beauty and causes of black people? Yep, he must be a "race-baiting" hate monger. Or is that in your assumption of life a black person is only worth something when he is trying to be as less black as possible?

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So, while Prince's work may seem idiosyncratic or obtuse to someone who doesn’t think that commercial art should make us think, I prefer his method to the mind numbing stuff that is called art.

Well written, well put. Bravo. There is hope for the Org after all. I really like your mention of Prince's double and triple metaphors.

ohYeeeeeah said:

Sorry but nobody gives a shit about O7's releases or Prince's releases nowadays apart from us, a small community of fans.

I don't think Prince has much respect for people who are stuck in the past. Clearly, he doesn't give a shit.

prince is stuck in the past too and if u don't think that then i recommend u listen 2 compassion from 20ten and how he has been using the linn drum without any feeling in it anymore. it's like OH LOOK I'M USING THE LINN DRUM AGAIN without using live drumming. yes the linn drum is in the song strawberry lake but there are LAYERS all on that song that makes it head bobbing. when has a prince album made u smile all the way through lately?

ohYeeeeeah said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

i'm curious about these 14 songs

I'm just going to name a few:

My Name is Prince

Sexy MotherFucker

Love to the 9's

7

Gold

Endorphine Machine

Shhh

Billy Jack Bitch

Days O Wild

The Holy River

Dreamin' about U

Joint 2 joint

Let's have a baby

When the lights go down

It's about that walk

There is lonely

The Rainbow Children

Muse to Pharaoh

Digital Garden

1+1+1 = 3

The Everlasting now

Family Name

The Sensual Everafter

The Truth

Third Eye

The Other side of the Pillow

3121

Love

The Word

Avalanche

One nite alone

U're gonna c me

Come Back

Boom

Dreamer

$

Colonized Mind

Wall of Berlin

i love the majority of ur list of songs but it's interesting not one song was from 20ten

L4OATheOriginal said:

ohYeeeeeah said:

I'm just going to name a few:

My Name is Prince

Sexy MotherFucker

Love to the 9's

7

Gold

Endorphine Machine

Shhh

Billy Jack Bitch

Days O Wild

The Holy River

Dreamin' about U

Joint 2 joint

Let's have a baby

When the lights go down

It's about that walk

There is lonely

The Rainbow Children

Muse to Pharaoh

Digital Garden

1+1+1 = 3

The Everlasting now

Family Name

The Sensual Everafter

The Truth

Third Eye

The Other side of the Pillow

3121

Love

The Word

Avalanche

One nite alone

U're gonna c me

Come Back

Boom

Dreamer

$

Colonized Mind

Wall of Berlin

i love the majority of ur list of songs but it's interesting not one song was from 20ten

and?

wonder505 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

i love the majority of ur list of songs but it's interesting not one song was from 20ten

and?

and it speaks directly 2 what i've been saying about how it's fair 2 compare 20ten to condensate and the difference between them both. the suggestion is that in 21 years that prince has made greater and better songs than the O7 has done on condensate, but it's a list of songs from 20 years. and also that in the list of songs provided, there were several from one album but just one or two tracks from other albums.

i'm not disputing that the list listed is not a banging song list, but i'm sure there are others that would rip 2 shreds that list saying it's all garbage

L4OATheOriginal said:

HonestMan13 said:

This is right on point. This is a great CD and I hope it does well but keep in mind that this group has kept you waiting 21 years for new music. We're going to devour it because we're hungry for it. If any artist you followed made you wait that long for a CD you'd have the same reaction to it's release. Some of the songs are totally killer and some are totally filler. Keep it in perspective. Prince has done far more than 14 songs in the past 21 years that match if not outshine these tracks.

i'm curious about these 14 songs

LMAO! Ya know?!

L4OATheOriginal said:

ohYeeeeeah said:

I'm just going to name a few:

My Name is Prince

Sexy MotherFucker

Love to the 9's

7

Gold

Endorphine Machine

Shhh

Billy Jack Bitch

Days O Wild

The Holy River

Dreamin' about U

Joint 2 joint

Let's have a baby

When the lights go down

It's about that walk

There is lonely

The Rainbow Children

Muse to Pharaoh

Digital Garden

1+1+1 = 3

The Everlasting now

Family Name

The Sensual Everafter

The Truth

Third Eye

The Other side of the Pillow

3121

Love

The Word

Avalanche

One nite alone

U're gonna c me

Come Back

Boom

Dreamer

$

Colonized Mind

Wall of Berlin

i love the majority of ur list of songs but it's interesting not one song was from 20ten

Yeah, and that's the album (along with "MPLSound") that was designed to sound like he did back in the day, like people are saying O7ven are sounding like. The best songs on "Condensate" kill at least a third of this list anyway. Prince has just spread himself waaaay too thin over the years, releasing an album almost every year. A couple of cool songs on each, and the rest range from filler to God-awful! He almost seems to think that everything he records should get a full release. Nopers.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

i love the majority of ur list of songs but it's interesting not one song was from 20ten

Yeah, and that's the album (along with "MPLSound") that was designed to sound like he did back in the day, like people are saying O7ven are sounding like. The best songs on "Condensate" kill at least a third of this list anyway. Prince has just spread himself waaaay too thin over the years, releasing an album almost every year. A couple of cool songs on each, and the rest range from filler to God-awful! He almost seems to think that everything he records should get a full release. Nopers.

and if i really wanted 2 i could nitpick even more about how that list didn't contain NOTHING from the NPGMC era of tracks and the latest goldminds of rich friends, purple and gold aren't on this list either?