V10LETBLUES said:

Riverman37 said:

I do not have any hopes for (the quality) of this album whatsoever.

Based on the Las Vegas-like liveshows he gave this year, the images of him wearing a golden suit, the throwaway character of 20ten, and his silly interviews about women in burqa's, i think its safe to it will probably be another collection of formulaic R&B / lite funk with toned down, but equally silly, JW-lyrics.

So, anything better then that will just be a plus... lol

You busted my optimistic bumble because I think you are basically spot on.

Sadly, the computer I am using today does not allow for me to correctly reply to a post. I really hope this is a typo, but if not, please let me know what an "Optimistic Bumble" is. I just have to know. If it is a typo, then the irony and magic is lost. I can make all kinds of typos. Hell, half of my posts are one big ramble and typo. Now that's an Optimistic Bumble.

stillwaiting said:

stillwaiting said:

I know I sounded a little harsh here. I didn't mean to be. I'm sure your comment was more in relation to how many copies of each release are pressed up, rather than what role Prince had as to if they would be in print or not. My fault there. I do feel a lot of fans are in the dark here about the distribution deals Prince makes, since so few artists are in Prince's position.

Every single deal Prince signed since "Emancipation" in 1996 gives him the full rights to all the masters, and can have them distributed by any means he wishes. This really does mean he can have label A release the album, and have a condition that it is only exclusive to that label for a specific period of time, or not agree to have it exclusive at all. Prince let Arista release Rave in 1999, and then less than a year later, he put the alternate version out himself.

It may seem hard to believe, but he really could have Label A release an album, have it go out of print, and then have Label B release it years later, and then give it away with every copy of USA Today for free, and then have Label C release it again, should he wish.

Sadly, by flooding the market, and by career self-sabotage, there is no shortage of Prince cds.

Even though they are out of print, all of the releases since Emancipation are easy to find. Even the ONA Piano cd is easy to find, but thanks to its limited pressing, you have to pay $50-$200 to get a copy. Prince has constantly made enemies, burned down bridge after bridge. He craps on his own friends like The Family, and The Time, and doesn't let them use their own names. Oh gosh, we wouldn't want Prince's legacy ruined if the Time and the Family got to use their names. Just by using the other names helps people see what an ASS Prince is. I love Prince more than anybody could believe, but I refuse to kiss his ass, and will tell my truthful opinion both the positive side and the negative. I truly believe he is the most brilliant pop musician ever, and one of the most self-destructive ever.

[Edited 9/9/11 20:36pm]

[Edited 9/9/11 20:38pm]

blacktrump said:

Prince never makes crappy music;every song he has made has been a master piece...a genius never misses.he or she is always creating new and original product..prince is 4ever amazing

what is wrong with you?

blacktrump said:

Prince never makes crappy music;every song he has made has been a master piece...a genius never misses.he or she is always creating new and original product..prince is 4ever amazing

Lock blacktrump up in a studio, and make them listen to Tony M's "Mr Money Minder" speech at the end of Jughead in a loop for 4,000 hours, and then just when the torture appears to be over, make them listen to "The Wedding Feast" for 1,000 hours, and then "Push It Up" for 2,000 hours. If blacktrump is still alive, I would have to say that their brain is a "Master Piece," whatever that means.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

sweething said:

I was having a discussion with a friend saying I'd like to get several copies of Prince CDs to have on hand as gifts for friends, etc. for the upcoming holiday season.

Okay, why would you wanna inflict your love for Prince on other people? If they were such fans of his anyway, wouldn't they have the CDs of his they wanted already? That's just like if I had a friend who was a Justin Beiber nut give me and everybody else random Beiber albums and paraphernalia as gifts. Why, I'd slap the muthafucka silly for that shit!

^you're funny. Most everyone I know either went to the recent concerts or wanted to go. I think they would enjoy some of the more recent CDs since several were blown away by his performance. Its just a thought at this point.

electricberet said:

sweething said:

I was having a discussion with a friend saying I'd like to get several copies of Prince CDs to have on hand as gifts for friends, etc. for the upcoming holiday season. I thought there's got to be some kind of "wharehouse" place where you can get CDs wholesale, etc. for bargain basement prices.

He says, no you have to go directly to the music company to get old CDs.

I don't believe this, with so much being done through internet sales and with the state of the Industry, there must be some sort of distribution outlet for Artists' CDs? And please no Ebay!

Does anyone know anything about this stuff?

If you live in the U.S. and have a Borders in your town, you might go check out what they've got before they go out of business at the end of the week. The store in my neighborhood is now selling everything at 80% to 90% off. I did see a couple of Prince CDs in there a few weeks ago, although almost everything is gone now.

Good idea I'll check Borders early next week.

^ Borders went bankrupt....well it did here in the UK anyway, I assumed they closed everywhere?!

stillwaiting said:

Lock blacktrump up in a studio, and make them listen to Tony M's "Mr Money Minder" speech at the end of Jughead in a loop for 4,000 hours, and then just when the torture appears to be over, make them listen to "The Wedding Feast" for 1,000 hours, and then "Push It Up" for 2,000 hours. If blacktrump is still alive, I would have to say that their brain is a "Master Piece," whatever that means.

Nah, he'll be like KCOOLMUZIQ. Every song and album is the greatest piece of music composed in history and is a masterpiece, no matter how shit it is.

huh?

Maybe you should get a proper working computer or learn how to post on the org before you post rants like that stillwaiting.

Obviously you think prince is an asshole making shitty music but that doesn't mean you have to take out your silly anger on me too and crap on this thread.

Makes you look stupid.

stillwaiting said:

stillwaiting said:

I know I sounded a little harsh here. I didn't mean to be. I'm sure your comment was more in relation to how many copies of each release are pressed up, rather than what role Prince had as to if they would be in print or not. My fault there. I do feel a lot of fans are in the dark here about the distribution deals Prince makes, since so few artists are in Prince's position.

Every single deal Prince signed since "Emancipation" in 1996 gives him the full rights to all the masters, and can have them distributed by any means he wishes. This really does mean he can have label A release the album, and have a condition that it is only exclusive to that label for a specific period of time, or not agree to have it exclusive at all. Prince let Arista release Rave in 1999, and then less than a year later, he put the alternate version out himself.

It may seem hard to believe, but he really could have Label A release an album, have it go out of print, and then have Label B release it years later, and then give it away with every copy of USA Today for free, and then have Label C release it again, should he wish.

Sadly, by flooding the market, and by career self-sabotage, there is no shortage of Prince cds.

Even though they are out of print, all of the releases since Emancipation are easy to find. Even the ONA Piano cd is easy to find, but thanks to its limited pressing, you have to pay $50-$200 to get a copy. Prince has constantly made enemies, burned down bridge after bridge. He craps on his own friends like The Family, and The Time, and doesn't let them use their own names. Oh gosh, we wouldn't want Prince's legacy ruined if the Time and the Family got to use their names. Just by using the other names helps people see what an ASS Prince is. I love Prince more than anybody could believe, but I refuse to kiss his ass, and will tell my truthful opinion both the positive side and the negative. I truly believe he is the most brilliant pop musician ever, and one of the most self-destructive ever.

[Edited 9/9/11 20:36pm]

[Edited 9/9/11 20:38pm]

V10LETBLUES said:

Riverman37 said:

I do not have any hopes for (the quality) of this album whatsoever.

Based on the Las Vegas-like liveshows he gave this year, the images of him wearing a golden suit, the throwaway character of 20ten, and his silly interviews about women in burqa's, i think its safe to it will probably be another collection of formulaic R&B / lite funk with toned down, but equally silly, JW-lyrics.

So, anything better then that will just be a plus... lol

You busted my optimistic bumble because I think you are basically spot on.

Sadly, the computer I am using today does not allow for me to correctly reply to a post. I really hope this is a typo, but if not, please let me know what an "Optimistic Bumble" is. I just have to know. If it is a typo, then the irony and magic is lost. I can make all kinds of typos. Hell, half of my posts are one big ramble and typo. Now that's an Optimistic Bumble.

stillwaiting said:

Tremolina said:

well... I am not so sure. Rather I think it's all of them.

And us consumers are to blame. Of course!

What? Nothing to do with if they are in print? Could you possibly not know or understand so little about the business side of things? He owns the masters to everything post 1996. Since he owns them, he can make distribution deals with any company he wants, even make multiple deals for the same album. Prince can make the music that he owns available for download, or print up his own physical cds.

I know I sounded a little harsh here. I didn't mean to be. Every single deal Prince signed since "Emancipation" in 1996 gives him the full rights to all the masters, and can have them distributed by any means he wishes. This really does mean he can have label A release the album, and have a condition that it is only exclusive to that label for a specific period of time, or not agree to have it exclusive at all. Prince let Arista release Rave in 1999, and then less than a year later, he put the alternate version out himself.

It may seem hard to believe, but he really could have Label A release an album, have it go out of print, and then have Label B release it years later, and then give it away with every copy of USA Today for free, and then have Label C release it again, should he wish.

Sadly, by flooding the market, and by career self-sabotage, there is no shortage of Prince cds.

Even though they are out of print, all of the releases since Emancipation are easy to find. Even the ONA Piano cd is easy to find, but thanks to its limited pressing, you have to pay $50-$200 to get a copy. Prince has constantly made enemies, burned down bridge after bridge. He craps on his own friends like The Family, and The Time, and doesn't let them use their own names. Oh gosh, we wouldn't want Prince's legacy ruined if the Time and the Family got to use their names. Just by using the other names helps people see what an ASS Prince is. I love Prince more than anybody could believe, but I refuse to kiss his ass, and will tell my truthful opinion both the positive side and the negative. I truly believe he is the most brilliant pop musician ever, and one of the most self-destructive ever.

[Edited 9/9/11 20:36pm]

[Edited 9/9/11 20:38pm]

Tremolina said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

^ Yes i agree, I'm sure Prince has nothing to do with whether the albums are kept in print. This is down to the record companies which in turn are only responding to anticipated demand.

well... I am not so sure. Rather I think it's all of them.

And us consumers are to blame. Of course!

FYI, I probably misunderstood TheFreaker and Tremolina. I like what I wrote, but it is rude, and not likely much to do with the meaning of the post. I am sorry. The only reason I felt it was necessary to leave the negative comment in ...is this...Unless I really go over the top, I feel it is necessary to leave in most comments I make. That means the Good ones, the Bad ones, the smart ones, and the dumb ones that make me look like an ass.

What? Nothing to do with if they are in print? Could you possibly not know or understand so little about the business side of things? He owns the masters to everything post 1996. Since he owns them, he can make distribution deals with any company he wants, even make multiple deals for the same album. Prince can make the music that he owns available for download, or print up his own physical cds. He can give them to The Daily Mirror, Rolling Stone, or put them in Damb Cereal Boxes. He can have Sony Distribute 3121, and then have Best Buy distribute it if the original ever sells out, or even have another company distribute another version of 3121 to compete with the original. Prince retains all rights in his deals..... Every single U2 and Springsteen album is in print. Even the ones that did not sell very well. Of course U2 doesn't really have a true official release that sold under a million, and Bruce probably doesn't either. Of course U2 and Bruce don't do whatever they can do to hurt their own careers. U2 and Bruce allow taping of their shows, and they don't sue their fans. Prince comes up with ideas like Tony M, releasing too many albums, and live shows where you might get 10 cover songs and Background girls singing 4 or more songs.

Does anybody with half a brain think that Stevie Wonder, Miles Davis, Bruce Springsteen, or U2 would let Tony M within 400 miles of their Stage or Studio? Please. I think Prince is way more talented than U2 or Bruce, but he has the business sense of a Dead Frog. The thing that makes it funny, is that Prince understands the business side of things to some degree. Then he goes out and does something so stupid, it backfires. There is a reason Prince gets sued all the time. There is a reason he has lesser musicians in his band. Oh, I forgot. Andy Aloe is a world class guitarist. I just am too stupid and negative to hear her brilliance.

Where do I differ from the negativity king, Bart? I think Prince's studio work is still amazing. I just think he goes a bit overboard with releases. If Prince gave 3 years time between every single album after Purple Rain, he might have had a much better result. He could've released huge box sets of outtakes every 8 or so years to satisfy our Prince cravings. I think there are at least 3-5 Super songs every single album. Lotus Flow3r is near perfect to me. MPLSsound is perhaps my least favorite.

Where do I differ from those fans who think his studio albums stink, but his live work is incredible? Well, despite loving nearly every single studio release, I think his live work has been pretty lackluster, other than ONA and Musicology. I think most of the tours since 1990 have been too medley heavy, have lacked passion, and have way too many cover songs, and way too much damn Shelby. She can sing, but I don't pay $300 for a VIP ticket to hear her sing lead on 3-8 songs.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

sweething said:

I was having a discussion with a friend saying I'd like to get several copies of Prince CDs to have on hand as gifts for friends, etc. for the upcoming holiday season.

Okay, why would you wanna inflict your love for Prince on other people? If they were such fans of his anyway, wouldn't they have the CDs of his they wanted already? That's just like if I had a friend who was a Justin Beiber nut give me and everybody else random Beiber albums and paraphernalia as gifts. Why, I'd slap the muthafucka silly for that shit!

It's a GIFT. Something you can either take or leave, you ungreatful brat.

[Edited 9/10/11 8:21am]

TheFreakerFantastic said:

^ Borders went bankrupt....well it did here in the UK anyway, I assumed they closed everywhere?!

At least some of the stores are still open through tomorrow. They're practically giving the stuff away at this point. Not that there's much left worth taking.

TheDigitalGardener said:

Hope it's another freebie, I made a small fortune from the last effort.

I read this as "Hope it's another frisbee"

electricberet said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

^ Borders went bankrupt....well it did here in the UK anyway, I assumed they closed everywhere?!

At least some of the stores are still open through tomorrow. They're practically giving the stuff away at this point. Not that there's much left worth taking.

They had a good range but it was too expensive IMO, not many bookstores thrive by charging full price nowadays...

vitriol said:

^True!

And I hope he doesn't release anything for some time. I can't bear with more crap.

shouldn't you be on bieber.org or ladygag.org?? somehow get lost?

Illuminations said:

vitriol said:

^True!

And I hope he doesn't release anything for some time. I can't bear with more crap.

shouldn't you be on bieber.org or ladygag.org?? somehow get lost?

Don't bother feeding the troll. It's worth nothing.

NeonCraxx said:

Illuminations said:

shouldn't you be on bieber.org or ladygag.org?? somehow get lost?

Don't bother feeding the troll. It's worth nothing.

I know, right? I should know better... it's not like they can't figure no one gives a crap what they think anymore. They're just a bunch of worn out idiots who masturbate to their idea of a bad Prince cd.

If P does release a new album, here is what you should most likely expect:

1 An album that will be released exclusively in Europe

2 Most of the tracks will feature Andy Allo and the females of the NPG (Shelby J, Elisa Dease, Liv Warfield)

3 The tracks will sound much similar to his recent albums (20Ten, Lotusflow3r, MPLSoUND)

Then again, I could be wrong. Who knows. Maybe if he does release a new album, he'll take it in a new direction, something different, perhaps. That's what I'm hoping for.

[Edited 9/10/11 8:59am]

21nights said:

If P does release a new album, here is what you should most likely expect:

1 An album that will be released exclusively in Europe

2 Most of the tracks will feature Andy Allo and the females of the NPG (Shelby J, Elisa Dease, Liv Warfield)

3 The tracks will sound much similar to his recent albums (20Ten, Lotusflow3r, MPLSoUND)

Then again, I could be wrong. Who knows. Maybe if he does release a new album, he'll take it in a new direction, something different, perhaps. That's what I'm hoping for.

[Edited 9/10/11 8:59am]

But all of those albums sound different than one another

Mars23 said:

eelco said:

Has anyone thought about this maybe being an Andy Allo project? Something like Elixer?

I try to avoid horrific thoughts.

I so wanted to say this without getting something e-thrown at me. I like her, but just not the idea of THAT happening again.

paisleypark4 said:

21nights said:

If P does release a new album, here is what you should most likely expect:

1 An album that will be released exclusively in Europe

2 Most of the tracks will feature Andy Allo and the females of the NPG (Shelby J, Elisa Dease, Liv Warfield)

3 The tracks will sound much similar to his recent albums (20Ten, Lotusflow3r, MPLSoUND)

Then again, I could be wrong. Who knows. Maybe if he does release a new album, he'll take it in a new direction, something different, perhaps. That's what I'm hoping for.

[Edited 9/10/11 8:59am]

But all of those albums sound different than one another

Yes and what makes people think that Prince is going to do to the new album what he did to 20ten just because it's the most recent.

I look forward to a "new" cd.

Anything I can actually purchase at Target or Best Buy.

I want to be a "Fan."

I enjoyed all the concert news.

The falling in and out of loves: Bria, Shelby, Misti and Andy... but I would like to hear some new stuff...

By prince standards, isn"t it time? Hasn't it been 1year since 2010 or (my fav) Laydown?

Please gossip aside..

Can we jam and party some more with new stuff???

Please?

21nights said:

Uh...got the magnifying glass out and still can't read it!

21nights said:

If P does release a new album, here is what you should most likely expect:

1 An album that will be released exclusively in Europe

2 Most of the tracks will feature Andy Allo and the females of the NPG (Shelby J, Elisa Dease, Liv Warfield)

3 The tracks will sound much similar to his recent albums (20Ten, Lotusflow3r, MPLSoUND)

Then again, I could be wrong. Who knows. Maybe if he does release a new album, he'll take it in a new direction, something different, perhaps. That's what I'm hoping for.

[Edited 9/10/11 8:59am]

!!

Details after details, inside info next to inside info, thrilling, revealing news everywhere. But then it comes:

"Then again, I could be wrong! Who knows!"

I guess I'm in the minority here

Dave1992 said:

21nights said:

If P does release a new album, here is what you should most likely expect:

1 An album that will be released exclusively in Europe

2 Most of the tracks will feature Andy Allo and the females of the NPG (Shelby J, Elisa Dease, Liv Warfield)

3 The tracks will sound much similar to his recent albums (20Ten, Lotusflow3r, MPLSoUND)

Then again, I could be wrong. Who knows. Maybe if he does release a new album, he'll take it in a new direction, something different, perhaps. That's what I'm hoping for.

[Edited 9/10/11 8:59am]

!!

Details after details, inside info next to inside info, thrilling, revealing news everywhere. But then it comes:

"Then again, I could be wrong! Who knows!"

Like the Seinfeld joke, you can say whatever the hell you wanna say and then conclude it with "that being said" as if that will make you sound objective, somehow.

So many strong feelings displayed in this thread, my lord.

Harlepolis said:

Dave1992 said:

!!

Details after details, inside info next to inside info, thrilling, revealing news everywhere. But then it comes:

"Then again, I could be wrong! Who knows!"

Like the Seinfeld joke, you can say whatever the hell you wanna say and then conclude it with "that being said" as if that will make you sound objective, somehow.

So many strong feelings displayed in this thread, my lord.

I want something that will surprise me. I love the funk, I love the dirty rock, I love the psychedelic stuff, I love the ballads, I love the dancable stuff and I love the rap; I just want something that will surprise me.

That being said, I'm always looking forward to new Prince music.

I'm still hoping for a 2CD release from prince. he's never done that before. well not one

that was actually conceived and executed as a double disc. Sign O The Times ended up

being a double disc but it was an LP that could have fit on a single disc. He always goes

for a 3cd package which ends up being too convoluted.

A nice, 20 song 2 disc album would suit me just fine

But I don't mind him taking his time in putting an album together these days. I love the

fact that he released so much in the last decade, but I do miss the days of actual good,

rounded albums that feel like albums. What we got the last decade was a lot of stuff but

only about 2 projects that felt like actual prince albums. the rest felt like mixed tapes of

stuff he had lying around.

The Rainbow Children and LotusFlower (title disc) are the only ones that I listen to and

give me the feeling I'm listening to a good, cohesive album.

That's the kind of stuff I'd like to see him release in the future. And if it takes him three

years to put it together, so be it.

However, in the meantime, it would be nice if he had a site somewhere to put up some

of the stuff that he does off the cuff. Tracks like "hot summer" or "rich friends" or most

of the stuff that ended up on MPLSOUND of 20Ten. Most of them feel like bsides or like

stuff he would have given to proteges in the past. And althought they weigh down his

own albums, I still think they're fun. I'm always interested in what he's doing and tend

to play those songs quite a bit anyway. He should just not put everything on an album,

just for the sake of releasing yet another album.

It would be nice to see him focus his efforts a bit more. A simple solution would be to

release a tight, really good album and then throw 2 or 3 non album tracks on every

single release.

Anyway, should have, would have, could have. With prince we just have to wait and be

patient for a while until the floodgates open up again and we're wading knee deep in a

whole array of new stuff. As for "a new direction" that so many people seem to want,

I'm not sure what new direction he could take at this point since he's pretty much done

everything.

So the only thing I'm hoping for, like I said, is a well edited effort with only the best of

his new material on it. Whilst still releasing the trimmings through other channels.

However. Unlikely.

IstenSzek said:

I'm still hoping for a 2CD release from prince. he's never done that before. well not one

that was actually conceived and executed as a double disc. Sign O The Times ended up

being a double disc but it was an LP that could have fit on a single disc. He always goes

for a 3cd package which ends up being too convoluted.

A nice, 20 song 2 disc album would suit me just fine

But I don't mind him taking his time in putting an album together these days. I love the

fact that he released so much in the last decade, but I do miss the days of actual good,

rounded albums that feel like albums. What we got the last decade was a lot of stuff but

only about 2 projects that felt like actual prince albums. the rest felt like mixed tapes of

stuff he had lying around.

The Rainbow Children and LotusFlower (title disc) are the only ones that I listen to and

give me the feeling I'm listening to a good, cohesive album.

That's the kind of stuff I'd like to see him release in the future. And if it takes him three

years to put it together, so be it.

However, in the meantime, it would be nice if he had a site somewhere to put up some

of the stuff that he does off the cuff. Tracks like "hot summer" or "rich friends" or most

of the stuff that ended up on MPLSOUND of 20Ten. Most of them feel like bsides or like

stuff he would have given to proteges in the past. And althought they weigh down his

own albums, I still think they're fun. I'm always interested in what he's doing and tend

to play those songs quite a bit anyway. He should just not put everything on an album,

just for the sake of releasing yet another album.

It would be nice to see him focus his efforts a bit more. A simple solution would be to

release a tight, really good album and then throw 2 or 3 non album tracks on every

single release.

Anyway, should have, would have, could have. With prince we just have to wait and be

patient for a while until the floodgates open up again and we're wading knee deep in a

whole array of new stuff. As for "a new direction" that so many people seem to want,

I'm not sure what new direction he could take at this point since he's pretty much done

everything.

So the only thing I'm hoping for, like I said, is a well edited effort with only the best of

his new material on it. Whilst still releasing the trimmings through other channels.

However. Unlikely.

Nailed it.