xlr8r said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

No I've never heard anyone say they had co-writing with Purple Rain.

In this very thread some have said W&L wrote it.

I mean bandmember claiming they wrote it

OldFriends4Sale said:

xlr8r said:

Wait. I have Intimate Moments (revisited) and it has Prince doing all these songs on piano, solo..Strange Relationship, Purple Rain, 17 Days etc. It appears to me he had most of the words and at the very least the melodies. Even in the Purple Rain anniversary dvd extras, the Girlbros even state that Prince wrote Purple rain. Sure they added embellishements but come on now. Prince wrote that.

That's only a part of the process.

Prince gave Wendy & Lisa access to a lot of the unreleased music and even though he had stuff started they came in and added/updated music... ie Strange Relationships, New Position, they even worked on the original Old Friends 4 Sale.

How do you define an embellishement... becaue that could easily be large foundation 2 a song

Kiss" started as a short acoustic demo, about a minute in length, with one verse and the chorus. Prince gave the song to the funk band Mazarati for their debut album. Mazarati and producer David Z. drastically reworked the song, giving it its stripped-down minimalist sound. When Mazarati delivered the song to Prince, he was amazed at their work and decided to take back the song for himself. He replaced their lead vocal, added the guitar break in the chorus and edited the song to its present form. Mazarati were credited for their backing vocals, which Prince left intact.

We arent talking about Kiss. We all know the work done on Kiss..Bart brings it up every year in attempts to make it seem like Prince never wrote any songs on his own. We are talking about Purple Rain. He wrote it...and folks who are W&L fanatics make it seem like before they came along that Prince couldn't even play piano. Dont act like you dont see whats going on.

KeithyT said:

...but in the film, Wendy and Lisa give him the tape

keithy!

see how confident he is..he wrote the shit and even made a film smoke and mirroring that his moms was white, The Time were not basically him, and PR was written by them. I luh that flick yo.

xlr8r said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

That's only a part of the process.

Prince gave Wendy & Lisa access to a lot of the unreleased music and even though he had stuff started they came in and added/updated music... ie Strange Relationships, New Position, they even worked on the original Old Friends 4 Sale.

How do you define an embellishement... becaue that could easily be large foundation 2 a song

Kiss" started as a short acoustic demo, about a minute in length, with one verse and the chorus. Prince gave the song to the funk band Mazarati for their debut album. Mazarati and producer David Z. drastically reworked the song, giving it its stripped-down minimalist sound. When Mazarati delivered the song to Prince, he was amazed at their work and decided to take back the song for himself. He replaced their lead vocal, added the guitar break in the chorus and edited the song to its present form. Mazarati were credited for their backing vocals, which Prince left intact.

We arent talking about Kiss. We all know the work done on Kiss..Bart brings it up every year in attempts to make it seem like Prince never wrote any songs on his own. We are talking about Purple Rain. He wrote it...and folks who are W&L fanatics make it seem like before they came along that Prince couldn't even play piano. Dont act like you dont see whats going on.

Yeah People around here make it seem that Prince would be nothing about Wendy and Lisa.

xlr8r said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

That's only a part of the process.

Prince gave Wendy & Lisa access to a lot of the unreleased music and even though he had stuff started they came in and added/updated music... ie Strange Relationships, New Position, they even worked on the original Old Friends 4 Sale.

How do you define an embellishement... becaue that could easily be large foundation 2 a song

Kiss" started as a short acoustic demo, about a minute in length, with one verse and the chorus. Prince gave the song to the funk band Mazarati for their debut album. Mazarati and producer David Z. drastically reworked the song, giving it its stripped-down minimalist sound. When Mazarati delivered the song to Prince, he was amazed at their work and decided to take back the song for himself. He replaced their lead vocal, added the guitar break in the chorus and edited the song to its present form. Mazarati were credited for their backing vocals, which Prince left intact.

We arent talking about Kiss. We all know the work done on Kiss..Bart brings it up every year in attempts to make it seem like Prince never wrote any songs on his own. We are talking about Purple Rain. He wrote it...and folks who are W&L fanatics make it seem like before they came along that Prince couldn't even play piano. Dont act like you dont see whats going on.

Don't come at me like that

I'm still saying what I'm sayin, u go argue with those people

Did u know David Coleman created the opening lead to Glamorous Life?

wonder505 said:

xlr8r said:

We arent talking about Kiss. We all know the work done on Kiss..Bart brings it up every year in attempts to make it seem like Prince never wrote any songs on his own. We are talking about Purple Rain. He wrote it...and folks who are W&L fanatics make it seem like before they came along that Prince couldn't even play piano. Dont act like you dont see whats going on.

Yeah People around here make it seem that Prince would be nothing about Wendy and Lisa.

Well that is silly for people 2 think that.

Prince had the best people around him in the 1980's from protege to band members they all helped push Prince to creative levels and Prince was able to gather inspirations of different sorts from them, not always good though like breaking his friendship and extraordinary protege band the Time

xlr8r said:

see how confident he is..he wrote the shit and even made a film smoke and mirroring that his moms was white, The Time were not basically him, and PR was written by them. I luh that flick yo.

Even when I first heard that Electrifying Mojo interview from '86, when Prince says of The Time, "...the only band I was ever afraid of" I was like what is he like, he was The Time! (sure they are all musicians etc in a live setting and of course co-wrote some parts etc. but come on boo).

I wonder if Prince is sort of more "mock" modest than we give him credit for, maybe he is embarrassed by the fact that he wnats to do it all hence the alter ego producers, smoke and mirrors etc.

KeithyT said:

...but in the film, Wendy and Lisa give him the tape

lol

OldFriends4Sale said:

xlr8r said:

We arent talking about Kiss. We all know the work done on Kiss..Bart brings it up every year in attempts to make it seem like Prince never wrote any songs on his own. We are talking about Purple Rain. He wrote it...and folks who are W&L fanatics make it seem like before they came along that Prince couldn't even play piano. Dont act like you dont see whats going on.

Don't come at me like that

I'm still saying what I'm sayin, u go argue with those people

Did u know David Coleman created the opening lead to Glamorous Life?

Dont come at you like what? With common sense? Oh I see. You're one of those kind.

And nobody is talking about Glamourous Life..we are talking Purple Rain. You seem to be unable to focus.

Damn you Prince..you untalented fool. How you Suckerpunched me all these years

purple rain..say it with me..say it..say it.....purple rain..pur.....

OldFriends4Sale said:

wonder505 said:

Yeah People around here make it seem that Prince would be nothing about Wendy and Lisa.

Well that is silly for people 2 think that.

Prince had the best people around him in the 1980's from protege to band members they all helped push Prince to creative levels and Prince was able to gather inspirations of different sorts from them, not always good though like breaking his friendship and extraordinary protege band the Time

If Prince did not have the creativity, determination and drive from the moment he picked up an instrument, till when he was signed to Warner Bros at 19 years old he would not be where he is today. yes I'm sure he met musicians along the way who allowed him to continue to grow and be inspired but ultimately it bowls down to Prince the individual, to determine for himself, not us, what direction he wants to go, even without the Revolution, regardless of the success he had with them. I'm sure Wendy and Lisa and everyone he worked with benefitted from him too, as musicians and hopefully they took what they've learned, moved on and made their own careers from it, which I'm sure they did. I guess it's a matter of how much you enjoy his post-Revolution stuff which I definately have.

[Edited 4/1/11 8:22am]

wonder505 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Well that is silly for people 2 think that.

Prince had the best people around him in the 1980's from protege to band members they all helped push Prince to creative levels and Prince was able to gather inspirations of different sorts from them, not always good though like breaking his friendship and extraordinary protege band the Time

If Prince did not have the creativity, determination and drive from the moment he picked up an instrument, till when he was signed to Warner Bros at 19 years old he would not be where he is today. yes I'm sure he met musicians along the way who allowed him to continue to grow and be inspired but ultimately it bowls down to Prince the individual, to determine for himself, not us, what direction he wants to go, even without the Revolution, regardless of the success he had with him. I'm sure Wendy and Lisa and everyone he worked with benefitted from him too, as musicians and hopefully they took what they've learned, moved on and made their own careers from it, which I'm sure they did.

[Edited 4/1/11 8:20am]

lmao I love how Old Friends states how everyone pushed Prince to higher levels..as if he never had anything to offer and did not push them to THEIR greatness with the relentless rehearsals, leadership, inspiration to be on it (told Sheila E inpsiration to go solo, gave a lead shot to St Paul etc etc etc )...its never Prince giving others something. Notice that? Hell even Jimmy Jam went on record to state basically what I just did, about how Prince pushed all of them for higher aspirations and musicianship etc. Hell even Old Friends is speaking of Prince breakling up firnedships etc lol...Prince put his friends in his bands and on th emap.

Oh how biased these folks are..such hate with these folks..been blinded by the light or something

.

[Edited 4/1/11 8:34am]

KeithyT said:

xlr8r said:

see how confident he is..he wrote the shit and even made a film smoke and mirroring that his moms was white, The Time were not basically him, and PR was written by them. I luh that flick yo.

Even when I first heard that Electrifying Mojo interview from '86, when Prince says of The Time, "...the only band I was ever afraid of" I was like what is he like, he was The Time! (sure they are all musicians etc in a live setting and of course co-wrote some parts etc. but come on boo).

I wonder if Prince is sort of more "mock" modest than we give him credit for, maybe he is embarrassed by the fact that he wnats to do it all hence the alter ego producers, smoke and mirrors etc.

^^^ gets it

xlr8r said:

wonder505 said:

If Prince did not have the creativity, determination and drive from the moment he picked up an instrument, till when he was signed to Warner Bros at 19 years old he would not be where he is today. yes I'm sure he met musicians along the way who allowed him to continue to grow and be inspired but ultimately it bowls down to Prince the individual, to determine for himself, not us, what direction he wants to go, even without the Revolution, regardless of the success he had with him. I'm sure Wendy and Lisa and everyone he worked with benefitted from him too, as musicians and hopefully they took what they've learned, moved on and made their own careers from it, which I'm sure they did.

[Edited 4/1/11 8:20am]

lmao I love how Old Friends states how everyone pushed Prince to higher levels..as if he never had anything to offer and did not push them to THEIR greatness with the relentless rehearsals, leadership, inspiration to be on it (told Sheila E inpsiration to go solo, gave a lead shot to St Paul etc etc etc )...its never Prince giving others something. Notice that? Hell even Jimmy Jam went on record to state basically what I just did, about how Prince pushed all of them for higher aspirations and musicianship etc. Hell even Old Friends is speaking of Prince breakling up firnedships etc lol...Prince put his friends in his bands and on th emap.

Oh how biased these folks are..such hate with these folks..been blinded by the light or something

.

[Edited 4/1/11 8:34am]

Makes u wonder which "friend" is really 4 sale?

KeithyT said:

xlr8r said:

see how confident he is..he wrote the shit and even made a film smoke and mirroring that his moms was white, The Time were not basically him, and PR was written by them. I luh that flick yo.

Even when I first heard that Electrifying Mojo interview from '86, when Prince says of The Time, "...the only band I was ever afraid of" I was like what is he like, he was The Time! (sure they are all musicians etc in a live setting and of course co-wrote some parts etc. but come on boo).

I wonder if Prince is sort of more "mock" modest than we give him credit for, maybe he is embarrassed by the fact that he wnats to do it all hence the alter ego producers, smoke and mirrors etc.

I don't know I think he needed total control of the Time, didn't he finally boot them from the opening shows because they got better reviews than him for the Triple Threat tour?

I don't think writing "two lines" qualifies as writing a entire song. Prince is a thief period. Proof of that is how bad his music has been since wendy and Lisa haven't been in the group. Prince uses people, takes the credit for their work, and then throws them away. And for that....I guess we could call him a genius cause it has made him a millionaire!

[Edited 4/1/11 8:49am]

CleopatraJones said:

I don't think writing "two lines" qualifies as writing a entire song. Prince is a thief period. Proof of that is how bad his music has been since wendy and Lisa haven't been in the group. Prince uses people, takes the credit for their work, and then throws them away. And for that....I guess we could call him a genius cause it has made him a millionaire!

[Edited 4/1/11 8:49am]

Yup here we go again, every single song Prince wrote is crap because Wendy and Lisa left.

Prince is nothing without Wendy and Lisa. Nothing I tell ya!!!

Graycap23 said:

xlr8r said:

lmao I love how Old Friends states how everyone pushed Prince to higher levels..as if he never had anything to offer and did not push them to THEIR greatness with the relentless rehearsals, leadership, inspiration to be on it (told Sheila E inpsiration to go solo, gave a lead shot to St Paul etc etc etc )...its never Prince giving others something. Notice that? Hell even Jimmy Jam went on record to state basically what I just did, about how Prince pushed all of them for higher aspirations and musicianship etc. Hell even Old Friends is speaking of Prince breakling up firnedships etc lol...Prince put his friends in his bands and on th emap.

Oh how biased these folks are..such hate with these folks..been blinded by the light or something

.

[Edited 4/1/11 8:34am]

Makes u wonder which "friend" is really 4 sale?

U guys are taking that wrong, they did in the sense that they brought different things to the table that enhanced what Prince was doing, I also said Prince was able to pull from the people around him what he needed to get where he wanted to go.

Don't just jump on someones bandwagon without understand what I'm saying.

the Time gave Prince a level of healthy competition that helped amp up his vision

Dez Dickerson brought hard rock to Prince's music it took Prince to another level.

Other people came with different backgrounds. It's only natural that you would hope he would gleem from them

W&L Sheila E Eric Leeds Eddie M brought their jazz background

David Coleman with his musical gifts and new instruments brought something that helped add to Prince's sound

xlr8r is making a mountain out of a mole hill

I said: Prince had the best people around him in the 1980's from protege to band members they all helped push Prince to creative levels and Prince was able to gather inspirations of different sorts from them,

That's not saying at all that Prince didn't have what it took, people get from others to increase what they have plain n simple

OldFriends4Sale said:

Graycap23 said:

Makes u wonder which "friend" is really 4 sale?

U guys are taking that wrong, they did in the sense that they brought different things to the table that enhanced what Prince was doing, I also said Prince was able to pull from the people around him what he needed to get where he wanted to go.

Don't just jump on someones bandwagon without understand what I'm saying.

the Time gave Prince a level of healthy competition that helped amp up his vision

Dez Dickerson brought hard rock to Prince's music it took Prince to another level.

Other people came with different backgrounds. It's only natural that you would hope he would gleem from them

W&L Sheila E Eric Leeds Eddie M brought their jazz background

David Coleman with his musical gifts and new instruments brought something that helped add to Prince's sound

xlr8r is making a mountain out of a mole hill

I said: Prince had the best people around him in the 1980's from protege to band members they all helped push Prince to creative levels and Prince was able to gather inspirations of different sorts from them,

That's not saying at all that Prince didn't have what it took, people get from others to increase what they have plain n simple

Yeah but you're painting a one way street. The point is that they all benefitted from the experience. You're making it seem like they made Prince as if he had nothing to offer them as well.

xlr8r said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Don't come at me like that

I'm still saying what I'm sayin, u go argue with those people

Did u know David Coleman created the opening lead to Glamorous Life?

Dont come at you like what? With common sense? Oh I see. You're one of those kind.

And nobody is talking about Glamourous Life..we are talking Purple Rain. You seem to be unable to focus.

Damn you Prince..you untalented fool. How you Suckerpunched me all these years

purple rain..say it with me..say it..say it.....purple rain..pur.....

Like I said before go argue with those people that are saying Prince did nothing, you post is totally silly I'm focused. The thread is not about who wrote Purple Rain... so are u focused or are you just here to fight with people

wonder505 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

U guys are taking that wrong, they did in the sense that they brought different things to the table that enhanced what Prince was doing, I also said Prince was able to pull from the people around him what he needed to get where he wanted to go.

Don't just jump on someones bandwagon without understand what I'm saying.

the Time gave Prince a level of healthy competition that helped amp up his vision

Dez Dickerson brought hard rock to Prince's music it took Prince to another level.

Other people came with different backgrounds. It's only natural that you would hope he would gleem from them

W&L Sheila E Eric Leeds Eddie M brought their jazz background

David Coleman with his musical gifts and new instruments brought something that helped add to Prince's sound

xlr8r is making a mountain out of a mole hill

I said: Prince had the best people around him in the 1980's from protege to band members they all helped push Prince to creative levels and Prince was able to gather inspirations of different sorts from them,

That's not saying at all that Prince didn't have what it took, people get from others to increase what they have plain n simple

Yeah but you're painting a one way street. The point is that they all benefitted from the experience. You're making it seem like they made Prince as if he had nothing to offer them as well.

No I'm not and anyone who has read my posts know other wise. I've made many comments on the proteges and band members talking about how well Prince's vision for the proteges worked and how his vision for Uptown /with the Time & Vanity 6 and his band takes the album era to another level. Same with the Purple Rain & Parade eras

How does this sound 1 side:and Prince was able to gather inspirations of different sorts from them,

Anyone who has read any of my Prince era threads know otherwise. I have posts to back up what I think as far as Prince being the mastermind and having the write people in place to help him get the job done, even down to engineers.

http://prince.org/msg/7/332488 For U -> Prince era 1976-1980

http://prince.org/msg/7/334051 Dirty Mind era 1980-1981

http://prince.org/msg/7/331074 Controversy: the Time era 1981 (no longer active)

http://prince.org/msg/7/333234 1999:What Time Is It? Vanity 6 era 1982 - 1983

http://prince.org/msg/7/334426 Purple Rain the movie 1984
http://prince.org/msg/7/334638 Purple Rain era 1983-1985
http://prince.org/msg/7/334640 Purple Rain tour 1984-1985

http://prince.org/msg/7/333647 Around the World in a Day era 1985

http://prince.org/msg/7/333861 Under the Cherry Moon the movie 1986
http://prince.org/msg/7/331309 Parade Tour-Shows 1986
http://prince.org/msg/7/331311 Parade era:Romance1600 theFamily Mazarati 1985-86

http://prince.org/msg/7/333918?pg=1 Sign o the Times era:Sheila E Jill Jones Taja Sevelle Madhouse 1987

http://prince.org/msg/7/335912 Lovesexy/Black album era 1988-1989

http://prince.org/msg/7/330369 Batman era 1989 (no longer active)

http://prince.org/msg/7/328609 Love Symbol-Come era 1992-1994 (no longer active)

http://prince.org/msg/7/329612 the Gold Experience / Exodus era 1995 - 1996 (no longer active)

http://prince.org/msg/7/334371?pg=1 Chaos & Disorder 1996 & Emancipation era 1996-1997

http://prince.org/msg/7/331947 New Power Soul/Kamasutra-Crystal Ball-the Truth experimental era 1997-1998 (no longer active)

http://prince.org/msg/7/328887 Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic era 1999-2001 (no longer active)

http://prince.org/msg/7/332182 One Night Alone:Rainbow Childern Xpectation C-Note era 2001-2003 (no longer active)

http://prince.org/msg/7/336144 Musicology SST Xpectation era 2003-2005

http://prince.org/msg/7/330059 3121 / SST era 2005-2006 (no longer active)

http://prince.org/msg/7/333631 LotusFlow3r era 2008-2009

OldFriends4Sale said:

Graycap23 said:

Makes u wonder which "friend" is really 4 sale?

U guys are taking that wrong, they did in the sense that they brought different things to the table that enhanced what Prince was doing, I also said Prince was able to pull from the people around him what he needed to get where he wanted to go.

Don't just jump on someones bandwagon without understand what I'm saying.

the Time gave Prince a level of healthy competition that helped amp up his vision

Dez Dickerson brought hard rock to Prince's music it took Prince to another level.

Other people came with different backgrounds. It's only natural that you would hope he would gleem from them

W&L Sheila E Eric Leeds Eddie M brought their jazz background

David Coleman with his musical gifts and new instruments brought something that helped add to Prince's sound

xlr8r is making a mountain out of a mole hill

I said: Prince had the best people around him in the 1980's from protege to band members they all helped push Prince to creative levels and Prince was able to gather inspirations of different sorts from them,

That's not saying at all that Prince didn't have what it took, people get from others to increase what they have plain n simple

Don't even let it bother you, OF4S! All of the musicians in Prince's life back then weren't "yes men" who were in awe of him and just lucky enough to share the stage with him. They actually CHALLENGED Prince and his creativity, and if something was a piece of shit, they told him. These days, the people who "work" with him just do or say anything Prince wants them to so they can keep their jobs, always agreeing with what the good ol' boss says. "Oh yeah, Life O The Party sounds GREAT, boss! You need to have more jams like that! You're the shit!" "MPLSound is even better than when you were doing it back in the early 80s! Pure funk!"

Yeah, ok.

xlr8r said:

wonder505 said:

If Prince did not have the creativity, determination and drive from the moment he picked up an instrument, till when he was signed to Warner Bros at 19 years old he would not be where he is today. yes I'm sure he met musicians along the way who allowed him to continue to grow and be inspired but ultimately it bowls down to Prince the individual, to determine for himself, not us, what direction he wants to go, even without the Revolution, regardless of the success he had with him. I'm sure Wendy and Lisa and everyone he worked with benefitted from him too, as musicians and hopefully they took what they've learned, moved on and made their own careers from it, which I'm sure they did.

[Edited 4/1/11 8:20am]

lmao I love how Old Friends states how everyone pushed Prince to higher levels..as if he never had anything to offer and did not push them to THEIR greatness with the relentless rehearsals, leadership, inspiration to be on it (told Sheila E inpsiration to go solo, gave a lead shot to St Paul etc etc etc )...its never Prince giving others something. Notice that? Hell even Jimmy Jam went on record to state basically what I just did, about how Prince pushed all of them for higher aspirations and musicianship etc. Hell even Old Friends is speaking of Prince breakling up firnedships etc lol...Prince put his friends in his bands and on th emap.

Oh how biased these folks are..such hate with these folks..been blinded by the light or something

.

Ur totally twisting this just to get an arguement going.

When Prince removed the Time as opening act because they got better reviews and Prince would do things disrespectful to Morris Day it did break up his friendship... are you just blindly starting a fight or what. I think your getting to emotional about this.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

U guys are taking that wrong, they did in the sense that they brought different things to the table that enhanced what Prince was doing, I also said Prince was able to pull from the people around him what he needed to get where he wanted to go.

Don't just jump on someones bandwagon without understand what I'm saying.

the Time gave Prince a level of healthy competition that helped amp up his vision

Dez Dickerson brought hard rock to Prince's music it took Prince to another level.

Other people came with different backgrounds. It's only natural that you would hope he would gleem from them

W&L Sheila E Eric Leeds Eddie M brought their jazz background

David Coleman with his musical gifts and new instruments brought something that helped add to Prince's sound

xlr8r is making a mountain out of a mole hill

I said: Prince had the best people around him in the 1980's from protege to band members they all helped push Prince to creative levels and Prince was able to gather inspirations of different sorts from them,

That's not saying at all that Prince didn't have what it took, people get from others to increase what they have plain n simple

Don't even let it bother you, OF4S! All of the musicians in Prince's life back then weren't "yes men" who were in awe of him and just lucky enough to share the stage with him. They actually CHALLENGED Prince and his creativity, and if something was a piece of shit, they told him. These days, the people who "work" with him just do or say anything Prince wants them to so they can keep their jobs, always agreeing with what the good ol' boss says. "Oh yeah, Life O The Party sounds GREAT, boss! You need to have more jams like that! You're the shit!" "MPLSound is even better than when you were doing it back in the early 80s! Pure funk!"

Yeah, ok.

Are you in the studio during these sessions to witness this? What evidence do you have that they don't give any opinion at all? If any of the recent musicians said that in an interview then I stand corrected.

OldFriends4Sale said:

wonder505 said:

Yeah but you're painting a one way street. The point is that they all benefitted from the experience. You're making it seem like they made Prince as if he had nothing to offer them as well.

No I'm not and anyone who has read my posts know other wise. I've made many comments on the proteges and band members talking about how well Prince's vision for the proteges worked and how his vision for Uptown /with the Time & Vanity 6 and his band takes the album era to another level. Same with the Purple Rain & Parade eras

How does this sound 1 side:and Prince was able to gather inspirations of different sorts from them,

Anyone who has read any of my Prince era threads know otherwise. I have posts to back up what I think as far as Prince being the mastermind and having the write people in place to help him get the job done, even down to engineers.

http://prince.org/msg/7/332488 For U -> Prince era 1976-1980

http://prince.org/msg/7/334051 Dirty Mind era 1980-1981

http://prince.org/msg/7/331074 Controversy: the Time era 1981 (no longer active)

http://prince.org/msg/7/333234 1999:What Time Is It? Vanity 6 era 1982 - 1983

http://prince.org/msg/7/334426 Purple Rain the movie 1984
http://prince.org/msg/7/334638 Purple Rain era 1983-1985
http://prince.org/msg/7/334640 Purple Rain tour 1984-1985

http://prince.org/msg/7/333647 Around the World in a Day era 1985

http://prince.org/msg/7/333861 Under the Cherry Moon the movie 1986
http://prince.org/msg/7/331309 Parade Tour-Shows 1986
http://prince.org/msg/7/331311 Parade era:Romance1600 theFamily Mazarati 1985-86

http://prince.org/msg/7/333918?pg=1 Sign o the Times era:Sheila E Jill Jones Taja Sevelle Madhouse 1987

http://prince.org/msg/7/335912 Lovesexy/Black album era 1988-1989

http://prince.org/msg/7/330369 Batman era 1989 (no longer active)

http://prince.org/msg/7/328609 Love Symbol-Come era 1992-1994 (no longer active)

http://prince.org/msg/7/329612 the Gold Experience / Exodus era 1995 - 1996 (no longer active)

http://prince.org/msg/7/334371?pg=1 Chaos & Disorder 1996 & Emancipation era 1996-1997

http://prince.org/msg/7/331947 New Power Soul/Kamasutra-Crystal Ball-the Truth experimental era 1997-1998 (no longer active)

http://prince.org/msg/7/328887 Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic era 1999-2001 (no longer active)

http://prince.org/msg/7/332182 One Night Alone:Rainbow Childern Xpectation C-Note era 2001-2003 (no longer active)

http://prince.org/msg/7/336144 Musicology SST Xpectation era 2003-2005

http://prince.org/msg/7/330059 3121 / SST era 2005-2006 (no longer active)

http://prince.org/msg/7/333631 LotusFlow3r era 2008-2009

None of your links work, but if you are agreeing that it was a two way street, that the Revolution members and prior benefitted from their time with Prince, musically and creatively as Prince did from them then we can end our debate here.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

U guys are taking that wrong, they did in the sense that they brought different things to the table that enhanced what Prince was doing, I also said Prince was able to pull from the people around him what he needed to get where he wanted to go.

Don't just jump on someones bandwagon without understand what I'm saying.

the Time gave Prince a level of healthy competition that helped amp up his vision

Dez Dickerson brought hard rock to Prince's music it took Prince to another level.

Other people came with different backgrounds. It's only natural that you would hope he would gleem from them

W&L Sheila E Eric Leeds Eddie M brought their jazz background

David Coleman with his musical gifts and new instruments brought something that helped add to Prince's sound

xlr8r is making a mountain out of a mole hill

I said: Prince had the best people around him in the 1980's from protege to band members they all helped push Prince to creative levels and Prince was able to gather inspirations of different sorts from them,

That's not saying at all that Prince didn't have what it took, people get from others to increase what they have plain n simple

Don't even let it bother you, OF4S! All of the musicians in Prince's life back then weren't "yes men" who were in awe of him and just lucky enough to share the stage with him. They actually CHALLENGED Prince and his creativity, and if something was a piece of shit, they told him. These days, the people who "work" with him just do or say anything Prince wants them to so they can keep their jobs, always agreeing with what the good ol' boss says. "Oh yeah, Life O The Party sounds GREAT, boss! You need to have more jams like that! You're the shit!" "MPLSound is even better than when you were doing it back in the early 80s! Pure funk!"

Yeah, ok.

the maturity level of some of these people.

4 anyone not to understand that people in you life can help or hurt you, especially in the case of Prince and his vision. He had people that challenged him on different levels that's why there was such an explosion of music from 1982-1989 after that you just don't see it anymore... doesn't take a rocket scientist.

OldFriends4Sale said:

4 anyone not to understand that people in you life can help or hurt you, especially in the case of Prince and his vision. He had people that challenged him on different levels that's why there was such an explosion of music from 1982-1989 after that you just don't see it anymore... doesn't take a rocket scientist.

Nonsense.

wonder505 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

No I'm not and anyone who has read my posts know other wise. I've made many comments on the proteges and band members talking about how well Prince's vision for the proteges worked and how his vision for Uptown /with the Time & Vanity 6 and his band takes the album era to another level. Same with the Purple Rain & Parade eras

How does this sound 1 side:and Prince was able to gather inspirations of different sorts from them,

Anyone who has read any of my Prince era threads know otherwise. I have posts to back up what I think as far as Prince being the mastermind and having the write people in place to help him get the job done, even down to engineers.

http://prince.org/msg/7/332488 For U -> Prince era 1976-1980

http://prince.org/msg/7/334051 Dirty Mind era 1980-1981

http://prince.org/msg/7/331074 Controversy: the Time era 1981 (no longer active)

http://prince.org/msg/7/333234 1999:What Time Is It? Vanity 6 era 1982 - 1983

http://prince.org/msg/7/334426 Purple Rain the movie 1984
http://prince.org/msg/7/334638 Purple Rain era 1983-1985
http://prince.org/msg/7/334640 Purple Rain tour 1984-1985

http://prince.org/msg/7/333647 Around the World in a Day era 1985

http://prince.org/msg/7/333861 Under the Cherry Moon the movie 1986
http://prince.org/msg/7/331309 Parade Tour-Shows 1986
http://prince.org/msg/7/331311 Parade era:Romance1600 theFamily Mazarati 1985-86

http://prince.org/msg/7/333918?pg=1 Sign o the Times era:Sheila E Jill Jones Taja Sevelle Madhouse 1987

http://prince.org/msg/7/335912 Lovesexy/Black album era 1988-1989

http://prince.org/msg/7/330369 Batman era 1989 (no longer active)

http://prince.org/msg/7/328609 Love Symbol-Come era 1992-1994 (no longer active)

http://prince.org/msg/7/329612 the Gold Experience / Exodus era 1995 - 1996 (no longer active)

http://prince.org/msg/7/334371?pg=1 Chaos & Disorder 1996 & Emancipation era 1996-1997

http://prince.org/msg/7/331947 New Power Soul/Kamasutra-Crystal Ball-the Truth experimental era 1997-1998 (no longer active)

http://prince.org/msg/7/328887 Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic era 1999-2001 (no longer active)

http://prince.org/msg/7/332182 One Night Alone:Rainbow Childern Xpectation C-Note era 2001-2003 (no longer active)

http://prince.org/msg/7/336144 Musicology SST Xpectation era 2003-2005

http://prince.org/msg/7/330059 3121 / SST era 2005-2006 (no longer active)

http://prince.org/msg/7/333631 LotusFlow3r era 2008-2009

None of your links work, but if you are agreeing that it was a two way street, that the Revolution members and prior benefitted from their time with Prince, musically and creatively as Prince did from them then we can end our debate here.

Yeah I noticed that. I don't know that is, but if you cut n past the title of the thread into the google search at the top right hand corner you can see it.

Yes it ends here. I've been post for a while and I've always seen Prince as a visionary (not always focused) who was able to gleem from the band members and proteges. Even think about a group like Vanity 6, Prince created the personas from his idea as well as from the individual women I think that's why Vanity 6 worked whereas Apollonia 6 didn't Denise Mathews was Vanity

the Reason the Time was hot was because those guys were the Time the characters, yet it was Prince's vision of the gigolo and that aspect of Uptown he wanted to portray.

and it goes on... I've said it before the band had Prince's vision and worked it. Plain n simple yet these people had a level of character and history with Prince that most post 1980's bands did not

The Brits performance didn't seem botched though I can understand why Renata might think that.

You've got to remember Sheila, Wendy & Lisa aren't that well known in the UK, they haven't had the success here that they've had in the states. I don't even know when we last saw them here, the Parade/Lovesexy tours?

When Prince shouts "SHEILA EEEEE" we cheer but we don't really know why.

The Brits is not a classy show, it's a boringly predictable night designed for the widest viewership possible. It's only fun when someone gets drunk.

So I would hazard a guess that proportionally very few people knew who Wendy & Lisa were when they appeared on screen. If Prince had made a big deal out of it on the night, most would have been sat at home scratching their heads.

Heck, even my mate who introduced me to Prince didn't register they were there (and that's not to do with lights/outfits: check out Morris & Josh - if you can).

So it makes sense to highlight the Twinz going nuts and remind everyone that he's a great pop star with a sense of fun.

I can see why it was disappointing for GirlBros and their peeps but Prince won back a huge following after that appearance (21 Nights) so to imply it was botched/missed opportunity just looks like reaching for a reason to hate on Prince.

djfine said:

The Brits performance didn't seem botched though I can understand why Renata might think that.

You've got to remember Sheila, Wendy & Lisa aren't that well known in the UK, they haven't had the success here that they've had in the states. I don't even know when we last saw them here, the Parade/Lovesexy tours?

When Prince shouts "SHEILA EEEEE" we cheer but we don't really know why.

The Brits is not a classy show, it's a boringly predictable night designed for the widest viewership possible. It's only fun when someone gets drunk.

So I would hazard a guess that proportionally very few people knew who Wendy & Lisa were when they appeared on screen. If Prince had made a big deal out of it on the night, most would have been sat at home scratching their heads.

Heck, even my mate who introduced me to Prince didn't register they were there (and that's not to do with lights/outfits: check out Morris & Josh - if you can).

So it makes sense to highlight the Twinz going nuts and remind everyone that he's a great pop star with a sense of fun.

I can see why it was disappointing for GirlBros and their peeps but Prince won back a huge following after that appearance (21 Nights) so to imply it was botched/missed opportunity just looks like reaching for a reason to hate on Prince.

Exactly. Well said.