He talks of attending one the Vegas shows and inviting Prnce to breakfast after the show.

"We've always been compared to each other ,but we are so different,"Michael said of the Pruple One,who had made a point to show off for Will and Jackson,jamming in front of the with his base guitar."he was always viewed as a songwriter and i was always an entertainerBut they've never really acknowlegded that I write.I wrote "billie jean""beat it","man in the mirror","we are the world"...big songs.I have so much love for Prince.But why don't they look at me that way"

how cool is that o hear he respects prince like that.

That's very, very impressive right there. To see one genius acknowledge another is classy.

RIP Mike.

Seems like kind of a back-handed compliment, at best.

Michael wasn't a composer, though. He was a lyricist. That's why they see Prince different. He performs and writes everything he puts down on record other than horns and even then he can emulate that sound on the keys.

would be cool to hear Prince respect Mike back.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

would be cool to hear Prince respect Mike back.

Prince has. You just have'nt been listening.

http://www.dailymotion.co...hael_music

Q : " What do you think of Michael Jackson ? "

Prince : " Genius "

Q : " What do you think of Janet Jackson ? "

Prince: " Sister of a Genius "

http://prince.org/msg/7/271454

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Shango said:

http://www.dailymotion.co...hael_music

Q : " What do you think of Michael Jackson ? "

Prince : " Genius "

Q : " What do you think of Janet Jackson ? "

Prince: " Sister of a Genius "

http://prince.org/msg/7/271454

I remember that and that was a few years before MJ died.

Michael didn't really write Man In The Mirror did he?.. according to everywhere I've read Siedah Garrett and Glen Ballard did

MJ didn't write "Man In The Mirror", so I don't know how accurate that quote is.

Spinlight said:

Michael wasn't a composer, though. He was a lyricist. That's why they see Prince different. He performs and writes everything he puts down on record other than horns and even then he can emulate that sound on the keys.

He wasn't an instrumentalist like Prince, but he could beatbox every element of the music, and would dictate sounds to musicians who would transcribe to musical notation for him, so I would consider him a composer. Many of his best songs and/or biggest hits were written by him alone.

Genesia said:

Seems like kind of a back-handed compliment, at best.

Right - Prince demads respect. MJ having some appreciation for him is not special or surprising. He had to know that he wasnt the songwriter, musician or producer that Prince is - and that is why he was never acknowledged (by people with a true appreciation and knowledge) as Prince was in those areas.

metallicjigolo said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

would be cool to hear Prince respect Mike back.

Prince has. You just have'nt been listening.

Point me in the direction of his voicing respect for MJ after he died. Thanks.

Michael did not write 'Man in the Mirror' i doubt he would have forgotten this. That immediately casts doubt on the quote, though it was attributed to a third party (Akon or Will.i.am).

Though he was a great songwriter and yes, spinlight, like it or not he was a composer of music, he's explained in great depth and demonstrated how he comes up with his melodies (search mexico deposition on youtube) many times. so don't try pulling that one.

Michael had an amazing talent for making the noises of different instruments with his vocal chords alone. Lest we not forget he was a percussionist of some sort, allegedly played keys, whether he was all that good or just fucked about at it really isn't the issue, he certainly did enough.

Shake You Body

Heartbreak Hotel

Don't Stop Til You Get Enough

Rock With You

Workin' Day & Night

Billie Jean

Beat It

Dirty Diana

Give In To Me

Who Is It

Stranger In Moscow

Just a few he wrote AND composed. All A+

Nice to see he mentioned Prince though they played a different game. Prince had one year of being Michael-like in popularity and sales, i don't think Prince liked that too much and steered away from it with ATWIAD, and great props to him for being brave/clever enough to do that.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

metallicjigolo said:

Prince has. You just have'nt been listening.

Point me in the direction of his voicing respect for MJ after he died. Thanks.

paisleypark4 said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Point me in the direction of his voicing respect for MJ after he died. Thanks.

Actually he did at the last Paisley Park show in Chanhassen..he said, "...without The Jacksons I would'nt be here", during his jamming on I Want You Back and Shake Your Body Down To The Ground.

I need audio. Cannot bend without absolute proof

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

metallicjigolo said:

Prince has. You just have'nt been listening.

Point me in the direction of his voicing respect for MJ after he died. Thanks.

He never publically voiced respect for his parents when they died, or James Brown, or Rick James. Apart from covering him, i could never see him saying anything publically. Don't forget Michael was a dis-fellowshipped JW too, so that may have some bearing.

One of your peers, the same age as you, dying must have an effect on a person. Perhaps Prince was shocked, something like that must hit home and bring things into perspective. But yeah, it's more than likely Prince just being an ass. He mentioned MJ indirectly loads of times on record. It smacked of classless jealousy and stupidity sometimes.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt though.

I have honestly never understood why MJ was never seen as a songwriter or composer. I am an absolutely massive MJ fan and really his biggest hits and best songs are written by him himself.

eg. Don't Stop Til You Get Enough, Workin Day and Night, Billie Jean, Beat It, Wanna Be Startin Somethin, almost the whole "Bad" Album, Black or White, Who Is It, Heal The World, Earth Song, Stranger in Moscow, most of the rest of the "HIStory" album, Speechless etc etc

actually i believe MJ was a better lyricist than Prince but thats just my opinion

also people say he wasn't a real composer as he didn't play the instruments on songs but he would SING every note of every chord to an orchestra for a full song. He would put everything he could hear in his head down on tape and he could also beatbox better than many people i have seen and actually he could play many instruments like guitar, piano, percussion but just didn't in the studio i guess he has said that when people like slash came in to record with him, he would just leave him with the music and not try to guide him as he had to much respect for his abilities to try and change his playing

however i do have alot of respect for Prince and am glad there was a real mutual respect between the two

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mgm94 said:

I have honestly never understood why MJ was never seen as a songwriter or composer. I am an absolutely massive MJ fan and really his biggest hits and best songs are written by him himself.

eg. Don't Stop Til You Get Enough, Workin Day and Night, Billie Jean, Beat It, Wanna Be Startin Somethin, almost the whole "Bad" Album, Black or White, Who Is It, Heal The World, Earth Song, Stranger in Moscow, most of the rest of the "HIStory" album, Speechless etc etc

actually i believe MJ was a better lyricist than Prince but thats just my opinion

also people say he wasn't a real composer as he didn't play the instruments on songs but he would SING every note of every chord to an orchestra for a full song. He would put everything he could hear in his head down on tape and he could also beatbox better than many people i have seen and actually he could play many instruments like guitar, piano, percussion but just didn't in the studio i guess he has said that when people like slash came in to record with him, he would just leave him with the music and not try to guide him as he had to much respect for his abilities to try and change his playing

however i do have alot of respect for Prince and am glad there was a real mutual respect between the two

[Edited 7/2/10 13:20pm]

Nicely put, but i'm an MJ fan who doesn't believe for a moment he could play a lick on guitar or keys, mainly cause nobody ever saw him do it, i don't care what liner notes say. They were his liner notes after all.

I'm fairly positive he was a percussionist of some sort. The man had rythym for sure. But give me a biscuit tin and two pencils and i'm a percussionist.

Singer, dancer, writer, composer. Not too shabby. I'm happy with that.

Spinlight said:

Michael wasn't a composer, though. He was a lyricist. That's why they see Prince different. He performs and writes everything he puts down on record other than horns and even then he can emulate that sound on the keys.

Actually, that is not true. Michael wrote and composed every song in his catalog with the credits: "Written and composed by Michael Jackson."

Michael's style of composition was just different. Michael would think or dream of the songs/melodies (just like Prince), then simulate instrumentation with his mouth, a la precisely impersonating the instruments he wanted to use, and expert beat boxing. He would record all of his own vocalized "instruments" together on a home tape recorder (often with a backing electronic drum machine he would set for his ideas), then his studio band would replicate them exactly how MJ wanted the instrumentation to sound, while he'd add percussion sounds for each of his creations. Michael also designed how his lyrics would be sung and harmonized for his compositions (again, just like Prince). Therefore, Michael was a composer of songs/music too.

MJ's question is valid, and is one I've asked myself.

haha

well if you think he couldn't play piano, you obviously haven't seen the pepsi commercial where he sings i'll be there

http://www.youtube.com/wa...nQ_V_hUZ5s

he may not be the best piano player ever but he sure could play also his main album technician guy Bruce Swedien said that there was a song called "Don't Be Messin Around" where MJ played piano and he says it's one of the best songs he has ever heard but sadly it has never been released

WaterInYourBath said:

Spinlight said:

Michael wasn't a composer, though. He was a lyricist. That's why they see Prince different. He performs and writes everything he puts down on record other than horns and even then he can emulate that sound on the keys.

Actually, that is not true. Michael wrote and composed every song in his catalog with the credits: "Written and composed by Michael Jackson."

Michael's style of composition was just different. Michael would think or dream of the songs/melodies (just like Prince), then simulate instrumentation with his mouth, a la precisely impersonating the instruments he wanted to use, and expert beat boxing. He would record all of his own vocalized "instruments" together on a home tape recorder (often with a backing electronic drum machine he would set for his ideas), then his studio band would replicate them exactly how MJ wanted the instrumentation to sound, while he'd add percussion sounds for each of his creations. Michael also designed how his lyrics would be sung and harmonized for his compositions (again, just like Prince). Therefore, Michael was a composer of songs/music too.

MJ's question is valid, and is one I've asked myself.

I 100 % agree with this

Oh, I see others have explained the facts too before I entered my post.

Right On Kara, Marrk, and mgm94.

Much love and respect to Michael Jackson.

I learned this back in 1983 (83 not 84) that to compare the two was useless.

Just enjoy the music.

Anyone remember Beat It and Little Red Corvette battling on the charts in 1983?

Bad and U Got The Look battling in 1987?

mgm94 said:

haha

well if you think he couldn't play piano, you obviously haven't seen the pepsi commercial where he sings i'll be there

http://www.youtube.com/wa...nQ_V_hUZ5s

he may not be the best piano player ever but he sure could play also his main album technician guy Bruce Swedien said that there was a song called "Don't Be Messin Around" where MJ played piano and he says it's one of the best songs he has ever heard but sadly it has never been released

Yes i have it on DVD. He's sat at a piano. you don't actually see him hit a key at any time. No wonder folks think most MJ fans are stupid as fuck. I'm not.

I don't care what Bruce said. It's called hype.

Here endeth lesson.

[Edited 7/2/10 13:43pm]

WaterInYourBath said:

Oh, I see others have explained the facts too before I entered my post.

Right On Kara, Marrk, and mgm94.

haha i think it is just because you felt so strongly about this

Marrk said:

Michael did not write 'Man in the Mirror' i doubt he would have forgotten this. That immediately casts doubt on the quote, though it was attributed to a third party (Akon or Will.i.am).

Though he was a great songwriter and yes, spinlight, like it or not he was a composer of music, he's explained in great depth and demonstrated how he comes up with his melodies (search mexico deposition on youtube) many times. so don't try pulling that one.

Michael had an amazing talent for making the noises of different instruments with his vocal chords alone. Lest we not forget he was a percussionist of some sort, allegedly played keys, whether he was all that good or just fucked about at it really isn't the issue, he certainly did enough.

Shake You Body

Heartbreak Hotel

Don't Stop Til You Get Enough

Rock With You

Workin' Day & Night

Billie Jean

Beat It

Dirty Diana

Give In To Me

Who Is It

Stranger In Moscow

Just a few he wrote AND composed. All A+

Nice to see he mentioned Prince though they played a different game. Prince had one year of being Michael-like in popularity and sales, i don't think Prince liked that too much and steered away from it with ATWIAD, and great props to him for being brave/clever enough to do that.

Actually, the mistake was on Will.i.am's part when he mentioned "Man In The Mirror"..He was rthe one that had the convo with Mike....It was also a mistake on the books part for slipping up on that part of the quote (it happens sometimes when it comes to researching...We are not robots...)..But I can assure you the story and quote are legit....

And trust me, it doesn't make MJ look any less greater...It came from a very human place....

[Edited 7/2/10 13:50pm]

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

metallicjigolo said:

Prince has. You just have'nt been listening.

Point me in the direction of his voicing respect for MJ after he died. Thanks.

I can't quote him, you'll have to find it. In an interview after a paris show/tv show was taped, a reporter asked about Micheal after the Trial. Prince said something very profound. Something like, Everyone has to come home. (maybe someone can help with that quote) And yes i know Michael hadnt passed away at that point. But Prince Respected Michael all along. So why is it necessary for you to hear that Prince Respects Michael after his death?

Nevermind. Only you can answer that one.

Peace.

Marrk said:

mgm94 said:

haha

well if you think he couldn't play piano, you obviously haven't seen the pepsi commercial where he sings i'll be there

http://www.youtube.com/wa...nQ_V_hUZ5s

he may not be the best piano player ever but he sure could play also his main album technician guy Bruce Swedien said that there was a song called "Don't Be Messin Around" where MJ played piano and he says it's one of the best songs he has ever heard but sadly it has never been released

Yes i have it on DVD. He's sat at a piano. you don't actually see him hit a key at any time. No wonder folks think most MJ fans are stupid as fuck. I'm not.

Here endeth lesson.

Well im definitely not stupid as fuck in the slightest but in this track i do think he is playing the piano but i know what you mean you can't be sure, but it has been stated that he played many instruments just not on his albums i guess

mgm94 said:

Marrk said:

Yes i have it on DVD. He's sat at a piano. you don't actually see him hit a key at any time. No wonder folks think most MJ fans are stupid as fuck. I'm not.

Here endeth lesson.

Well im definitely not stupid as fuck in the slightest but in this track i do think he is playing the piano but i know what you mean you can't be sure, but it has been stated that he played many instruments just not on his albums i guess

No offence meant. I just like saying 'stupid as fuck' this week.

Stupid as fuck! ha ha ha

now.