Marrk said:

mgm94 said:

Well im definitely not stupid as fuck in the slightest but in this track i do think he is playing the piano but i know what you mean you can't be sure, but it has been stated that he played many instruments just not on his albums i guess

No offence meant. I just like saying 'stupid as fuck' this week.

Stupid as fuck! ha ha ha

now.

okk thanks haha

P might've paid his respect to the Jackson family in private . Imo, he owns nothing to the public to prove that.

Marrk said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Point me in the direction of his voicing respect for MJ after he died. Thanks.

He never publically voiced respect for his parents when they died, or James Brown, or Rick James. Apart from covering him, i could never see him saying anything publically. Don't forget Michael was a dis-fellowshipped JW too, so that may have some bearing.

One of your peers, the same age as you, dying must have an effect on a person. Perhaps Prince was shocked, something like that must hit home and bring things into perspective. But yeah, it's more than likely Prince just being an ass. He mentioned MJ indirectly loads of times on record. It smacked of classless jealousy and stupidity sometimes.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt though.

"more than likely Prince just being an ass."

You have no basis for making that statement concerning MJ. We have no record of Prince saying anything bad about Mike on the public record. If he wanted to dis him he could have he did not.

Shit he never said anything bad about Rick James and he was always ragging on P in the media so why would he have a beef with Mike.

Shango said:

P might've paid his respect to the Jackson family in private . Imo, he owns nothing to the public to prove that.

I would imagine he might've done. Katherine Jackson is one of the flock after all.

laurarichardson said:

Marrk said:

He never publically voiced respect for his parents when they died, or James Brown, or Rick James. Apart from covering him, i could never see him saying anything publically. Don't forget Michael was a dis-fellowshipped JW too, so that may have some bearing.

One of your peers, the same age as you, dying must have an effect on a person. Perhaps Prince was shocked, something like that must hit home and bring things into perspective. But yeah, it's more than likely Prince just being an ass. He mentioned MJ indirectly loads of times on record. It smacked of classless jealousy and stupidity sometimes.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt though.

"more than likely Prince just being an ass."

You have no basis for making that statement concerning MJ. We have no record of Prince saying anything bad about Mike on the public record. If he wanted to dis him he could have he did not.

Shit he never said anything bad about Rick James and he was always ragging on P in the media so why would he have a beef with Mike.

PPfft!

2 Whoever It May Concern

My Name Is Prince

The Good Life (Big City Remix)

Fascination

Life Of The Party.

There's four examples of Prince being an ass when it comes to MJ just for starters.

Not to mention dissing the Jacksons on the SOTT tour rehearsals, Laura, with all due respect, i know my stuff being a fan of both.

khemseraph said:

He talks of attending one the Vegas shows and inviting Prnce to breakfast after the show.

"We've always been compared to each other ,but we are so different,"Michael said of the Pruple One,who had made a point to show off for Will and Jackson,jamming in front of the with his base guitar."he was always viewed as a songwriter and i was always an entertainerBut they've never really acknowlegded that I write.I wrote "billie jean""beat it","man in the mirror","we are the world"...big songs.I have so much love for Prince.But why don't they look at me that way"

how cool is that o hear he respects prince like that.

Why did it take them so long to print this if it's true?

How did they conduct this interview? With a oiuja board?

Marrk said:

laurarichardson said:

"more than likely Prince just being an ass."

You have no basis for making that statement concerning MJ. We have no record of Prince saying anything bad about Mike on the public record. If he wanted to dis him he could have he did not.

Shit he never said anything bad about Rick James and he was always ragging on P in the media so why would he have a beef with Mike.

PPfft!

2 Whoever It May Concern

My Name Is Prince

The Good Life (Big City Remix)

Fascination

Life Of The Party.

There's four examples of Prince being an ass when it comes to MJ just for starters.

Not to mention dissing the Jacksons on the SOTT tour rehearsals, Laura, with all due respect, i know my stuff being a fan of both.

i haven't heard these songs so what does Prince say to "be an ass" to MJ? just wonderin

Marrk said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Point me in the direction of his voicing respect for MJ after he died. Thanks.

He never publically voiced respect for his parents when they died, or James Brown, or Rick James. Apart from covering him, i could never see him saying anything publically. Don't forget Michael was a dis-fellowshipped JW too, so that may have some bearing.

One of your peers, the same age as you, dying must have an effect on a person. Perhaps Prince was shocked, something like that must hit home and bring things into perspective. But yeah, it's more than likely Prince just being an ass. He mentioned MJ indirectly loads of times on record. It smacked of classless jealousy and stupidity sometimes.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt though.

I seem 2 remember P saying "RIP Rick James" during his muciology tour (remember he was on tour when Rick passed), I believe he was in Houston at the time,and after saying that he played a few notes of a Rick James cut.

Genesia said:

Seems like kind of a back-handed compliment, at best.

and you notice he doesn't say that P is seen as a master musician (which is surely talked about more than his songwriting), as the gulf there would be even wider.

(I'm going to run and take cover now)

mgm94 said:

Marrk said:

PPfft!

2 Whoever It May Concern

My Name Is Prince

The Good Life (Big City Remix)

Fascination

Life Of The Party.

There's four examples of Prince being an ass when it comes to MJ just for starters.

Not to mention dissing the Jacksons on the SOTT tour rehearsals, Laura, with all due respect, i know my stuff being a fan of both.

i haven't heard these songs so what does Prince say to "be an ass" to MJ? just wonderin

Google 'Prince' 'lyrics' and the song titles for yourself.

I can't be arsed.

mgm94 said:

Marrk said:

PPfft!

2 Whoever It May Concern

My Name Is Prince

The Good Life (Big City Remix)

Fascination

Life Of The Party.

There's four examples of Prince being an ass when it comes to MJ just for starters.

Not to mention dissing the Jacksons on the SOTT tour rehearsals, Laura, with all due respect, i know my stuff being a fan of both.

i haven't heard these songs so what does Prince say to "be an ass" to MJ? just wonderin

I know he may hav been pokin at mj on 2 whomever and life o party, but the others, Im not sure of..

"2 whomever it may concern u must come 2 your senses, there are no KINGS on this earth, only PRINCE'S."

"i aint never had my nose done..."

khemseraph said:

He talks of attending one the Vegas shows and inviting Prnce to breakfast after the show.

"We've always been compared to each other ,but we are so different,"Michael said of the Pruple One,who had made a point to show off for Will and Jackson,jamming in front of the with his base guitar."he was always viewed as a songwriter and i was always an entertainerBut they've never really acknowlegded that I write.I wrote "billie jean""beat it","man in the mirror","we are the world"...big songs.I have so much love for Prince.But why don't they look at me that way"

how cool is that o hear he respects prince like that.

Aww it is true, I think its because MJ is great in everything (by far the best dancer) so is Prince, they both I think had mutual respect for eachother.

It says on wikipedia (i know is often not reliable) MITM was written by

Siedah Garrett
Glen Ballard

No worries MJ , you where talented without measure nonetheless and people (with brain cells lol) will see that.

Love u always!

x

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

metallicjigolo said:

Prince has. You just have'nt been listening.

Point me in the direction of his voicing respect for MJ after he died. Thanks.

Some of you guys really need to get off of this "Prince hasn't shown MJ any respect in death" bit. He HAS! What does he need to do for some of you? Get on TV and cry, release a "statement," dedicate an album to him? Goodness. He played MJ's music after he died, and when I was at the PP show in October, he stated many of his influences. One of the last ones he stated was the Jacksons and said if it wasn't for those people who came before him, he would not be here. He then went on to play some Jackson's tunes. He has played MJ on various occaisons. If he did not respect him, would he take the time to learn and play his music? People have pitted these two against eachother since the 1980s, yet Prince plays the music of his so-called rival. If that is not a PUBLIC show of respect, I do not know what is.

Some of you act like P is hatin' on MJ, and he is not. Just because he has not expressed himself in the way you might want him to doesn't mean he hasn't. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see - or as deaf as those who refuse to listen.

bellanoche said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Point me in the direction of his voicing respect for MJ after he died. Thanks.

Some of you guys really need to get off of this "Prince hasn't shown MJ any respect in death" bit. He HAS! What does he need to do for some of you? Get on TV and cry, release a "statement," dedicate an album to him? Goodness. He played MJ's music after he died, and when I was at the PP show in October, he stated many of his influences. One of the last ones he stated was the Jacksons and said if it wasn't for those people who came before him, he would not be here. He then went on to play some Jackson's tunes. He has played MJ on various occaisons. If he did not respect him, would he take the time to learn and play his music? People have pitted these two against eachother since the 1980s, yet Prince plays the music of his so-called rival. If that is not a PUBLIC show of respect, I do not know what is.

Some of you act like P is hatin' on MJ, and he is not. Just because he has not expressed himself in the way you might want him to doesn't mean he hasn't. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see - or as deaf as those who refuse to listen.

I believe the past silliness on record was put into perspective for Prince when Mike left. I know he covered him in Paris i have the SAB boot, didn't know about Paisley, so thanks for the info.

mgm94 said:

WaterInYourBath said:

Oh, I see others have explained the facts too before I entered my post.

Right On Kara, Marrk, and mgm94.

haha i think it is just because you felt so strongly about this

When I started typing, the second to last post was Spinlight's. I had to stop and do something, then returned to finish my post, but didn't refresh to see if there were any updates in the thread, lol.

It's great though, 'cause at least people can see that several of us do indeed recognize Michael Jackson as a legitimate composer. It just unfortunately isn't a widely known fact like it is with Prince. Plus, that word "songwriter" was always a dominant part of Prince's PR machine. "Prince composed, wrote and produced every single song on his album...." Whereas Michael's main descriptions in the press were usually "singer and dancer," then just "entertainer," and his popular co-producers were always mentioned in reports about MJ's albums, which overshadowed Michael's songwriting prowess, no matter how much Michael used to speak about how he would write/compose his music. There was little focus on the fact he created songs on each of his adult solo records, and I think that's only because he didn't play instruments onstage. Not fair.

WaterInYourBath said:

mgm94 said:

haha i think it is just because you felt so strongly about this

When I started typing, the second to last post was Spinlight's. I had to stop and do something, then returned to finish my post, but didn't refresh to see if there were any updates in the thread, lol.

It's great though, 'cause at least people can see that several of us do indeed recognize Michael Jackson as a legitimate composer. It just unfortunately isn't a widely known fact like it is with Prince. Plus, that word "songwriter" was always a dominant part of Prince's PR machine. "Prince composed, wrote and produced every single song on his album...." Whereas Michael's main descriptions in the press were usually "singer and dancer," then just "entertainer," and his popular co-producers were always mentioned in reports about MJ's albums, which overshadowed Michael's songwriting prowess, no matter how much Michael used to speak about how he would write/compose his music. There was little focus on the fact he created songs on each of his adult solo records, and I think that's only because he didn't play instruments onstage. Not fair.

Well Michael was to blame to some extent for being whimsical in interviews and not controlling the discussion. He rarely talked about the creative process. Hardcore fans know from relatively obscure sources though. It doesn't bother me that much. I don't care what non-fans think about Mike.

[Edited 7/2/10 15:56pm]

thepope2the9s said:

Marrk said:

He never publically voiced respect for his parents when they died, or James Brown, or Rick James. Apart from covering him, i could never see him saying anything publically. Don't forget Michael was a dis-fellowshipped JW too, so that may have some bearing.

One of your peers, the same age as you, dying must have an effect on a person. Perhaps Prince was shocked, something like that must hit home and bring things into perspective. But yeah, it's more than likely Prince just being an ass. He mentioned MJ indirectly loads of times on record. It smacked of classless jealousy and stupidity sometimes.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt though.

I seem 2 remember P saying "RIP Rick James" during his muciology tour (remember he was on tour when Rick passed), I believe he was in Houston at the time,and after saying that he played a few notes of a Rick James cut.

That's funny because Rick James loathed Prince. AND Rick demonstrated his disdain publicly, lol. He was NOT kind and complimentary when speaking about Prince like MJ was. Did Prince say that and perform Rick's song in a derisive manner, or was he sincere? If the latter, then that's shocking. More shocking than him not speaking about James Brown's death.

WaterInYourBath said:

thepope2the9s said:

I seem 2 remember P saying "RIP Rick James" during his muciology tour (remember he was on tour when Rick passed), I believe he was in Houston at the time,and after saying that he played a few notes of a Rick James cut.

That's funny because Rick James loathed Prince. AND Rick demonstrated his disdain publicly, lol. He was NOT kind and complimentary when speaking about Prince like MJ was. Did Prince say that and perform Rick's song in a derisive manner, or was he sincere? If the latter, then that's shocking. More shocking than him not speaking about James Brown's death.

BECAUSE THE DUDE DIED, no matter what he felt about rick or vice versa no matter what was said theres respecting someone personally, or respecting someones music or both. Why can't some people see sincerity or are paranoid when they need not be lol. He obviously played a few notes of the song to the guy that allowed him to open his show starting out even if it was benefiting both sides. No matter what happened during or afterwards; Prince is actually a goodhearted person and Rick James was to, thats a "guess" is an opinion im sticking to.

Marrk said:

laurarichardson said:

"more than likely Prince just being an ass."

You have no basis for making that statement concerning MJ. We have no record of Prince saying anything bad about Mike on the public record. If he wanted to dis him he could have he did not.

Shit he never said anything bad about Rick James and he was always ragging on P in the media so why would he have a beef with Mike.

PPfft!

2 Whoever It May Concern

My Name Is Prince

The Good Life (Big City Remix)

Fascination

Life Of The Party.

There's four examples of Prince being an ass when it comes to MJ just for starters.

Not to mention dissing the Jacksons on the SOTT tour rehearsals, Laura, with all due respect, i know my stuff being a fan of both.

I'd say that "Life Of The Party" is the only one that can be argued as being remotely pointed @ jacko.

The others are simply plays on his own name. Prince/King.

"The Good Life" takes a stab @ Tito (if you can call it a stab), not Michael.

(D')

Marrk said:

Michael did not write 'Man in the Mirror' i doubt he would have forgotten this. That immediately casts doubt on the quote, though it was attributed to a third party (Akon or Will.i.am).

Though he was a great songwriter and yes, spinlight, like it or not he was a composer of music, he's explained in great depth and demonstrated how he comes up with his melodies (search mexico deposition on youtube) many times. so don't try pulling that one.

Michael had an amazing talent for making the noises of different instruments with his vocal chords alone. Lest we not forget he was a percussionist of some sort, allegedly played keys, whether he was all that good or just fucked about at it really isn't the issue, he certainly did enough.

Shake You Body

Heartbreak Hotel

Don't Stop Til You Get Enough

Rock With You

Workin' Day & Night

Billie Jean

Beat It

Dirty Diana

Give In To Me

Who Is It

Stranger In Moscow

Just a few he wrote AND composed. All A+

Nice to see he mentioned Prince though they played a different game. Prince had one year of being Michael-like in popularity and sales, i don't think Prince liked that too much and steered away from it with ATWIAD, and great props to him for being brave/clever enough to do that.

Not to be a Nazi or anything, bu Rock With You was written by Rod Temperton.

Not that this was any sort of detailed credit to MJ, articulated by P,

but during an interview with Le Monde in Paris, October 2009,

Prince said this regarding MJ's passing:

"It is always sad to lose someone you loved."

The quote here stems from Sabotage's 24-page booklet included

with their 6CD "The Complete 2009 Paris Recordings" (#374-379).

It's on p. 15.

khemseraph said:

how cool is that o hear he respects prince like that.

very cool

Beatboxing an outline of what you want a musician to lay down is not the same as writing music or playing it yourself.

MJ fans need 2 fall back!

Interesting quote; thanks for sharing!

Now I see this thread transforming into an entirely different animal very soon. Do we really need another one?

minneapolisFunq said:

Beatboxing an outline of what you want a musician to lay down is not the same as writing music or playing it yourself.

MJ fans need 2 fall back!

It's not the same, but it was his method of composing music. MJ was more than just a lyricist. The musical ideas and structure in his songs were his own creation, and that's the point.

Certain Prince fans need 2 give credit where it's due.

Genesia said:

Seems like kind of a back-handed compliment, at best.

Naw that's just Michael

Marrk said:

mgm94 said:

I have honestly never understood why MJ was never seen as a songwriter or composer. I am an absolutely massive MJ fan and really his biggest hits and best songs are written by him himself.

eg. Don't Stop Til You Get Enough, Workin Day and Night, Billie Jean, Beat It, Wanna Be Startin Somethin, almost the whole "Bad" Album, Black or White, Who Is It, Heal The World, Earth Song, Stranger in Moscow, most of the rest of the "HIStory" album, Speechless etc etc

actually i believe MJ was a better lyricist than Prince but thats just my opinion

also people say he wasn't a real composer as he didn't play the instruments on songs but he would SING every note of every chord to an orchestra for a full song. He would put everything he could hear in his head down on tape and he could also beatbox better than many people i have seen and actually he could play many instruments like guitar, piano, percussion but just didn't in the studio i guess he has said that when people like slash came in to record with him, he would just leave him with the music and not try to guide him as he had to much respect for his abilities to try and change his playing

however i do have alot of respect for Prince and am glad there was a real mutual respect between the two

[Edited 7/2/10 13:20pm]

Nicely put, but i'm an MJ fan who doesn't believe for a moment he could play a lick on guitar or keys, mainly cause nobody ever saw him do it, i don't care what liner notes say. They were his liner notes after all.

I'm fairly positive he was a percussionist of some sort. The man had rythym for sure. But give me a biscuit tin and two pencils and i'm a percussionist.

Singer, dancer, writer, composer. Not too shabby. I'm happy with that.

I did see Michael play piano at his home in a video, Janet can play too

crusader said:

Genesia said:

Seems like kind of a back-handed compliment, at best.

Right - Prince demads respect. MJ having some appreciation for him is not special or surprising. He had to know that he wasnt the songwriter, musician or producer that Prince is - and that is why he was never acknowledged (by people with a true appreciation and knowledge) as Prince was in those areas.

I don't really know about all of that. Michael was a Genius in his own right. Prince is one in his own right. And although Prince is in fact an instrumentalist, Michael had amazing delivery and style, and above all else, he knew exactly what songs to sing to mesmorize the audience.

Michael Jackson also did not alienate or isolate an audience due to x-rated / adult content in a vast majority of his old hits like Prince did.

Both are EQUAL in my book, even though they do things a little differently.

khemseraph said:

He talks of attending one the Vegas shows and inviting Prnce to breakfast after the show.

"We've always been compared to each other ,but we are so different,"Michael said of the Pruple One,who had made a point to show off for Will and Jackson,jamming in front of the with his base guitar."he was always viewed as a songwriter and i was always an entertainerBut they've never really acknowlegded that I write.I wrote "billie jean""beat it","man in the mirror","we are the world"...big songs.I have so much love for Prince.But why don't they look at me that way"

how cool is that o hear he respects prince like that.

are you suprised? He named his son Prince... it is so clear that Jackson admired Prince.

Genesia said:

Seems like kind of a back-handed compliment, at best.

God Prince fans are weird