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PrintableJBK said: ernestsewell said: Prince hasn't been FUNKY for over 10 years. His beats are dry, and he's even surgically removed the funk from playing old hits like "DMSR", etc.
No Ernest, Prince is still funky but as I said above he is not interested in playing again and again "kryptonite" funk. You can't speak for Prince, so I'm going to just skim over that comment. | |
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Prince is not a funk artist. Never has been.Some of his songs flirt with the funk, but there's never true consumation.
He's a pop/rock guy, and he's good at that. | |
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2freaky4church1 said: I mean I was at an event and the DJ played Kiss. It sounded good, like it always does, but few people were dancing or shaking their groove thangs. Than he put on Atomic Dog and the house blew up.
Fuck Atomic Dog and Brick house. Overplayed out shit that the funk has left the buidling. I mean middle aged white grammas be dancin to that now. Like how when rap became commericals for McDonalds in the 80's. These fools lovin every minute of Atomic Dog but dont know nan shit about Thme From The Black Hole or AquaBoogie. Let em diss Kiss and dance to Dog..dont mean shit. | |
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zaza said: Nikkie said: Ok. Enough of this.
Feel U Up. DMSR. Kiss. Housequake. Shockadelica. Funky! Mothership Connection - funkier. Erotic city is funkier imo. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
U 'gon make me shake my doo loose! http://www.twitter.com/nivlekbrad | |
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JBK said: Prince is still funky but not in the way he used to be.Funk is an exhausted and tired genre for him.His funk has become more abstract and subtle.
 There are no such things as "abstract and subtle" FUNK! 
It's either FUNK or it AIN'T! 
Once upon a time, there was a man named Prince and HE WAS FUNKY but that was a long time ago!  I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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skoolteecher said: Prince is not a funk artist. Never has been.Some of his songs flirt with the funk, but there's never true consumation.
He's a pop/rock guy, and he's good at that.  And early on he was much more R&B based, but you still had rock tunes like "Bambi", "Why U Wanna Treat Me So Bad?", "Sister", etc. | |
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skoolteecher said: Prince is not a funk artist. Never has been.Some of his songs flirt with the funk, but there's never true consumation.
He's a pop/rock guy, and he's good at that.  | |
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2freaky4church1 said: I'm starting to agree with some orgers that maybe Prince is not that funky or we overrate his funk abilities. Or at worse he isn't as funky as someone like Roger or Parliament.
His beats don't slam in the same way. These other chicken grease artists throw more on the grill. Prince is more coldly funky. His songwriting is more of a force than his actual funkyness. This is why It seems crazy to continue to mewl about him staying funky when he is rarely that funky anyhoo. I mean I was at an event and the DJ played Kiss. It sounded good, like it always does, but few people were dancing or shaking their groove thangs. Than he put on Atomic Dog and the house blew up. Kiss is funky but not Atomic Dog funky. My only point. Then they played Cha Cha Slide, a song I can't seem to escape. You had this huge line dance. Everybody was dancing, acting crazy. That song is lame, at least to me, but look at the reaction. Prince is funky but not funky in the way most people like. | |
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emilio319 said: The title of this thread proves what I have been thinking for a long time now... That this forum is filled with a hell of a lot of people who don't know shit!!!!!
Agreed! | |
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this thread  me
he is funky "Todo está bien chévere" Stevie | |
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I think Prince is supremely funky, the "cold" beats are simply his take on the funk -- The Minneapolis Sound. It's a straighter, more robotic groove. The layers on top still conform to all the conventions of other funk styles. The MPLS Sound is a different animal than P-funk or lazy New Orleans funk, but the way each instrument slips into its own little corner of the pocket...ahhh it's still funky as hell! Take it - like Clarence said:
"I got a million of them - all different U know." | |
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zaza said: Nikkie said: Ok. Enough of this.
Feel U Up. DMSR. Kiss. Housequake. Shockadelica. Funky! Mothership Connection - funkier. F.U.N.K.? Return of the Bump Squad? Joint 2 Joint? Days of Wild? Funkiest. Take it - like Clarence said:
"I got a million of them - all different U know." | |
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Ask George Clinton... "open your heart, open your mind
A train is leaving all day..." | |
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being funky is something you just have its a unexceptionable groove that makes you move and its how carry yourself
for the youngins like my self FUNKY = SWAG / go hard /going in and funky comes in all forms if you can tap your foot on the 2 and 4 your a funky individual. its all about having fun with the music and everybody has fun with the music thus everyone is funky  [Edited 5/22/10 18:54pm] | |
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I would have to say I can understand your point intelectually but My feet and hips and shoulders and butt all feel the funk Prince brings
He's definatly funky in a different way to parliament or James Brown but it's still funky. Get Off Violet The Organ Grinder Pretty Man Why Should I Do That When I Can Do This Sexy MF Love Left Love Right Daddy Pop Sexy Dancer Erotic City Scarlet Pussy Could be going on for days It's funny about the Kiss dropped and people were not dancing, Cause I was at a party a month ago and they played Musicology nobody in the room knew what it was but they got up and danced. I think it's important to say that Prince is not just known for his funk or indeed just one kind of anything. His talent will always be in mixing genre's. | |
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This thread is nutty.
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Could it be described in any other way...? (D') |
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chopingard said: I would have to say I can understand your point intelectually but My feet and hips and shoulders and butt all feel the funk Prince brings
He's definatly funky in a different way to parliament or James Brown but it's still funky. Get Off Violet The Organ Grinder Pretty Man Why Should I Do That When I Can Do This Sexy MF Love Left Love Right Daddy Pop Sexy Dancer Erotic City Scarlet Pussy Could be going on for days It's funny about the Kiss dropped and people were not dancing, Cause I was at a party a month ago and they played Musicology nobody in the room knew what it was but they got up and danced. I think it's important to say that Prince is not just known for his funk or indeed just one kind of anything. His talent will always be in mixing genre's. I agree. He can/has been funky, but he plays around with different styles. | |
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he's funky, but he is (or was) the next generation of funk. he took it away from the fat juicy slap bass lines, etc., and turned it glam and new wave in the early 80's. which was great. and makes it more disappointing that he's hooked up with people like Larry and Maceo who were at the foundation of the funk that came before him. he's very proficient at that style of funk and I'm sure there's a certain thrill with performing the kind of music he grew up on with his childhood heroes. but it kind of goes against the grain of the entire point of Prince as a funk revolutionary. he had such a spare, dry funk thing going on, and in some ways he traded it in to retread and pay homage to the past.
just my take on it.... | |
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errant said: he's funky, but he is (or was) the next generation of funk. he took it away from the fat juicy slap bass lines, etc., and turned it glam and new wave in the early 80's. which was great. and makes it more disappointing that he's hooked up with people like Larry and Maceo who were at the foundation of the funk that came before him. he's very proficient at that style of funk and I'm sure there's a certain thrill with performing the kind of music he grew up on with his childhood heroes. but it kind of goes against the grain of the entire point of Prince as a funk revolutionary. he had such a spare, dry funk thing going on, and in some ways he traded it in to retread and pay homage to the past.
just my take on it.... If he would just put his foot on the rock and show us how to clock, everything would be alright. | |
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TRON said: errant said: he's funky, but he is (or was) the next generation of funk. he took it away from the fat juicy slap bass lines, etc., and turned it glam and new wave in the early 80's. which was great. and makes it more disappointing that he's hooked up with people like Larry and Maceo who were at the foundation of the funk that came before him. he's very proficient at that style of funk and I'm sure there's a certain thrill with performing the kind of music he grew up on with his childhood heroes. but it kind of goes against the grain of the entire point of Prince as a funk revolutionary. he had such a spare, dry funk thing going on, and in some ways he traded it in to retread and pay homage to the past.
just my take on it.... If he would just put his foot on the rock and show us how to clock, everything would be alright. heckabuff | |
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errant said: he's funky, but he is (or was) the next generation of funk. he took it away from the fat juicy slap bass lines, etc., and turned it glam and new wave in the early 80's. which was great. and makes it more disappointing that he's hooked up with people like Larry and Maceo who were at the foundation of the funk that came before him. he's very proficient at that style of funk and I'm sure there's a certain thrill with performing the kind of music he grew up on with his childhood heroes. but it kind of goes against the grain of the entire point of Prince as a funk revolutionary. he had such a spare, dry funk thing going on, and in some ways he traded it in to retread and pay homage to the past.
just my take on it.... Spot on. Couldn't have said it better myself, glad you did! "Because when you say annihilation my friends, you've said all there is to say" - Henry Rollins | |
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George Clinton said that no matter what people try to call or label it, funk is at the core of what Prince does.
Miles Davis said that you can tell that when Prince makes love he hears drums. So, I say that Prince was and is still THAT funky. If the original premise of this thread is that Prince is not funky because people at a party do not dance as much to his music as to other funk jams, that is a flawed premise. "Kiss" still sounds as funky and as fresh to me as it did in 1986. It still gets me off my chair. Prince, of course, is not the originator of funk, but Bootsy Collins said that Prince legalized the funk. And, of course, Collins just meant that Prince made funk more accessible to Top 40 radio. We can argue that by doing this Prince was "watering down" or lessening the funk, but I think it just means that Prince was making the funk relatable to a new generation. With all of that said, it is, of course, in the ear of the beholder, and Prince's music has been moving my booty since "Head" and continues with "Dance 4 me." I would argue this. Take the oldest or latest age of any funkateer you like, and I'll bet that Prince is releasing quality funk at a later stage of his career then any of them. And while I don't think that makes him greater than them by no means, I do think that is a testament to his funkiness and funkability. | |
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2freaky4church1 said: I'm starting to agree with some orgers that maybe Prince is not that funky or we overrate his funk abilities. Or at worse he isn't as funky as someone like Roger or Parliament.
His beats don't slam in the same way. These other chicken grease artists throw more on the grill. Prince is more coldly funky. His songwriting is more of a force than his actual funkyness. This is why It seems crazy to continue to mewl about him staying funky when he is rarely that funky anyhoo. I mean I was at an event and the DJ played Kiss. It sounded good, like it always does, but few people were dancing or shaking their groove thangs. Than he put on Atomic Dog and the house blew up. Kiss is funky but not Atomic Dog funky. My only point. Then they played Cha Cha Slide, a song I can't seem to escape. You had this huge line dance. Everybody was dancing, acting crazy. That song is lame, at least to me, but look at the reaction. Prince is funky but not funky in the way most people like. Even when Prince farts its FUNKkkkkky STUNkkkkky!!! | |
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1725topp said: George Clinton said that no matter what people try to call or label it, funk is at the core of what Prince does.
Miles Davis said that you can tell that when Prince makes love he hears drums. So, I say that Prince was and is still THAT funky. If the original premise of this thread is that Prince is not funky because people at a party do not dance as much to his music as to other funk jams, that is a flawed premise. "Kiss" still sounds as funky and as fresh to me as it did in 1986. It still gets me off my chair. Prince, of course, is not the originator of funk, but Bootsy Collins said that Prince legalized the funk. And, of course, Collins just meant that Prince made funk more accessible to Top 40 radio. We can argue that by doing this Prince was "watering down" or lessening the funk, but I think it just means that Prince was making the funk relatable to a new generation. With all of that said, it is, of course, in the ear of the beholder, and Prince's music has been moving my booty since "Head" and continues with "Dance 4 me." I would argue this. Take the oldest or latest age of any funkateer you like, and I'll bet that Prince is releasing quality funk at a later stage of his career then any of them. And while I don't think that makes him greater than them by no means, I do think that is a testament to his funkiness and funkability. I will argue that Miles (may he RIP  ), George and Bootsy, were talking about the Prince of yesteryear because as I said, once upon a time, he WAS indeed FUNKY!
Obviously, we can't ask Miles but I'll bet cash money, that if we could ask George and Bootsy whether or not they think Prince is FUNKY...NOW? We'd get very different answers! Y'all can rationalize all you want but it is what it is and it ain't what it ain't! I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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ernestsewell said: Prince hasn't been FUNKY for over 10 years. His beats are dry, and he's even surgically removed the funk from playing old hits like "DMSR", etc.
I respect your opinion Ernest, but strongly disagree. From the last 10 years: 3121 (the song) is funky. F.U.N.K./PFUnk is funky. Turn Me Loose is funky. Black Sweat is funky. Feel Good Feel Better Feel Wonderful is funky. The Work Pt. 1 is funky We Gon Make It Funky with Maceo is funky. What The Fuss with Stevie Wonder is funky. The Daisy Chain is funky. Xpand is funky. Rock Steady with Beverly Knight is funky. To name a few Not dead, not in prison, still funkin'... |
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: Obviously, we can't ask Miles but I'll bet cash money, that if we could ask George and Bootsy whether or not they think Prince is FUNKY...NOW? We'd get very different answers! Y'all can rationalize all you want but it is what it is and it ain't what it ain't!
This is all just each of our opinions, but I don't know what evidence you have that causes you believe that George and Bootsy would say that Prince is no longer funky. I don't know what they would say, but if I were a betting man I'd bet that they would say he is sitll funky. As I said, it is all in the ear of the beholder. But I find it interesting how those of us who think that Prince is still funky and that his work after 2000 is still solid can understand why some may not agree, but those of you who think that Prince has lost it or is no longer creating solid work are able to assert that those of us who think Prince is still funky are merely rationalizing. Prince's music continues to cause me to move my head and shake my booty. Whether it is Musicology, 3121, Planet Earth, or Lotusflow3r/MPLS, I'm still grooving to his music. Why would I need to rationalize or lie about that? I just find it interesting that you can't give someone the beneift of the doubt that they like something just because you don't. But, back on topic, I still find Prince to be very funky, I understand if others don't, and I'm cool with that. | |
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It's useless to tell your own opinion because there are people who think Prince is some kind of a semi-God or God himself  | |
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1725topp said: HatrinaHaterwitz said: Obviously, we can't ask Miles but I'll bet cash money, that if we could ask George and Bootsy whether or not they think Prince is FUNKY...NOW? We'd get very different answers! Y'all can rationalize all you want but it is what it is and it ain't what it ain't!
This is all just each of our opinions, but I don't know what evidence you have that causes you believe that George and Bootsy would say that Prince is no longer funky. I don't know what they would say, but if I were a betting man I'd bet that they would say he is sitll funky. As I said, it is all in the ear of the beholder. But I find it interesting how those of us who think that Prince is still funky and that his work after 2000 is still solid can understand why some may not agree, but those of you who think that Prince has lost it or is no longer creating solid work are able to assert that those of us who think Prince is still funky are merely rationalizing. Prince's music continues to cause me to move my head and shake my booty. Whether it is Musicology, 3121, Planet Earth, or Lotusflow3r/MPLS, I'm still grooving to his music. Why would I need to rationalize or lie about that? I just find it interesting that you can't give someone the beneift of the doubt that they like something just because you don't. But, back on topic, I still find Prince to be very funky, I understand if others don't, and I'm cool with that. You are free and welcome to LIKE whatever it is, you want to! I, nor anyone else on here, has said that you couldn't or are wrong for doing so! However, just because you LIKE it, does not mean it's FUNK!! Claiming anything on 3121 or Planet Earth is FUNK...IMO...is rationalizing. 
"I'm from the old school of FUNK Yo, I got Knee-Deep bumping in my trunk!" Digital Underground, Tales Of The Funky I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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Hatman said: I think Prince is supremely funky, the "cold" beats are simply his take on the funk -- The Minneapolis Sound. It's a straighter, more robotic groove. The layers on top still conform to all the conventions of other funk styles. The MPLS Sound is a different animal than P-funk or lazy New Orleans funk, but the way each instrument slips into its own little corner of the pocket...ahhh it's still funky as hell!
Tend to agree with this. It's more the difference of the heavy layered chaotic 70's funk with all the brass, heavy bass-slappin and 200 bandmemebers and the slimmed down 80's funk, leaning more on synths and a stripped-down sound. During the 90's Prince's sound got a bit 'fatter' again, but using the 80's setup as a starting point, sometimes throwing in the hip hop thing (92-93). [Edited 5/23/10 0:49am] The HQ-er formerly known as krokostimpy. | |
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