razord said:

I recently got a copy of a mixtape of prince stuff, its by DJ Crazy Cris /T.I. its called Princes and Kings, pretty good too.

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poetcorner61 said:

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zaza said:

^ What's that?

A sampling chart with uses of Prince's music.

squirrelgrease said:

which part of Jump Around sampled Gett Off.

Im not convinced it's Rosie's scream.

muirdo said:

which part of Jump Around sampled Gett Off.

Im not convinced it's Rosie's scream.

bloody hell it is.

I never realised lol

Dayum @ that musical sampling chart. That is something that someone took a lot of time to create.

I guess my point of the thead was that hip hop was so young at the time that Nasty Girl was written, and Prince was a relatively new artist, so at that particular time many artists were getting their music "lifted" by hip-hop artists and they did not receive any royalties from it at all. I tried to you-tube Jeckyll and Hyde and their cut Nasty Girls is not listed, so maybe Prince succeeded in shutting that down as well. Now when MC Hammer used "When Doves Cry" for his song "That's Why We Pray"....I know that Prince absolutely received royalties. There was no "jacking" there.

There was some pretty high profile musician vs. hip hop court trials in the mid to late 80's and this reconstructed what can and what can't be sampled or used without the artists / label's permission, as well as the whole royalties thng.

Wasn't "tennessee"from Alphabet Street sampled by Arrested Development?

I remember Public Enemy using part of the solo from "Let's go Crazy" before I was a fan of P's music and I always wondered who did that wicked as HeLL solo, low and behold it was ... Prince

Yeah Boy !!!

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That chart thingy that was posted earlier seems accurate as far as I can tell. But there are a number of those artist that were kinda obscure or never really made it mainstream so I have no idea if they really borrowed or not. . Hip Hop as a whole definitely "borrowed" a lot from Prince, JAMES BROWN, and many other artists. They also "jacked" quite a few artists also. But you definitely can see Prince's input in the whole hip hop game. It should make him proud.

PurpleLove7 said:

I remember Public Enemy using part of the solo from "Let's go Crazy" before I was a fan of P's music and I always wondered who did that wicked as HeLL solo, low and behold it was ... Prince

Yeah Boy !!!

They also used the scream for Darling Nikki in one of the tracks on ITANOMTSU.

the whole rnb and hip hop production style was lifted from prince ... regardless of the strait up sampling

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TrevorAyer said:

the whole rnb and hip hop production style was lifted from prince ... regardless of the strait up sampling

Why do you think that the "whole R&B production style" has been lifted from Prince when R&B came before Prince? Can you site an example?

squirrelgrease said:

zaza said:

^ What's that?

A sampling chart with uses of Prince's music.

It's missing some songs.

LayzieKrayzie said:

squirrelgrease said:

zaza said:

^ What's that?

A sampling chart with uses of Prince's music.

It's missing some songs.

Yeah. We discussed Prince samples in another thread and there are a ton of songs not on that chart. Most notably, samples of other artists that Princes uses in his songs. The guy that put the chart together has several different ones for other artists as well.

http://www.flickr.com/pho...582100697/

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^ I never heard that before. Seriously old school flow right there.

jayquan said:

Jeckyll & Hydes song was called the "The Challenge" , and rap at the time was so far under the radar that I doubt P heard it. Rap was underground and Jeckyll & Hyde were underground as a group. This was 1982 , and Run Dmc hadn't made a record yet. Only a handful of rap records on the Sugarhill and Enjoy labels existed.

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GOOD LOOKING OUT! I could not remember the name of the song. I just remembered that it was HOT and it was to the Nasty Girl beat. I searched youtube but could not find it. This brings back old memories. Jeckyll and Hyde was big on the NY hip hop scene not necessarily underground. However, since hip hop itself was not man stream, and since Jeckyll and Hyde did not have the notoriety of let's say a....Curtis Blow, or the Sugar Hill Gang......then they could have appeared underground for those who were not regular hip hop heads. Glad you found the cut.

When you listen to that, it makes you realize how funky Prince made that Nasty Girl beat. Unbelievably funky without the singing vocals.

Reel said:

. Jeckyll and Hyde was big on the NY hip hop scene not necessarily underground. However, since hip hop itself was not man stream, and since Jeckyll and Hyde did not have the notoriety of let's say a....Curtis Blow, or the Sugar Hill Gang......then they could have appeared underground for those who were not regular hip hop heads.

I was about as regular a Hip Hop head as you could get even in 1981 at age 11. Jeckyll and Hyde - even with their biggest song being AM/PM in 1984 (produced by Kurtis Blow) was always underground. In 1981 Grandmaster Flash & The Furious 5 , Kurtis Blow and The Sugarhill Gang were mainstream rap (all appeared on Soul Train). The Treacherous 3, Funky 4+1 , Fearless 4 , Spoonie Gee etc etc were all underground. Jeckyll & Hyde used to be called the Harlem World Crew in the 70s.......

muirdo said:

muirdo said:

which part of Jump Around sampled Gett Off.

Im not convinced it's Rosie's scream.

bloody hell it is.

I never realised lol

Wasn't this the 'scream'?

http://www.youtube.com/wa...k3bF6iVzwE

jayquan said:

Reel said:

. Jeckyll and Hyde was big on the NY hip hop scene not necessarily underground. However, since hip hop itself was not man stream, and since Jeckyll and Hyde did not have the notoriety of let's say a....Curtis Blow, or the Sugar Hill Gang......then they could have appeared underground for those who were not regular hip hop heads.

I was about as regular a Hip Hop head as you could get even in 1981 at age 11. Jeckyll and Hyde - even with their biggest song being AM/PM in 1984 (produced by Kurtis Blow) was always underground. In 1981 Grandmaster Flash & The Furious 5 , Kurtis Blow and The Sugarhill Gang were mainstream rap (all appeared on Soul Train). The Treacherous 3, Funky 4+1 , Fearless 4 , Spoonie Gee etc etc were all underground. Jeckyll & Hyde used to be called the Harlem World Crew in the 70s.......

I guess we need to be clear of each others definition of "underground". Because in NYC they were playing all of Jeckyll & Hydes music on 98.7 Kiss FM, and even on 107.5 WBLS FM during regular business hours throughout the day. They were in decent rotation for hip hop artists. I won't say that they were necessarily "underground" because they did not appear on Soul Train. Don Cornelous (spelling) was biased against hip hop...period, so you really had to be BIG TIME in order to make Soul Train. At that time there were only a few BIG TIME hip hop artist. But just because an artist did not appear on Soul Train didn't make them underground. Of course they were also highlighted at night on Mr. Magic, and various other Hip Hop night radio shows.