laurarichardson said:

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Talent borrows, genius steals.

millins said:

I'll remember that next time someone steals off Prince

millins said:

Take Einstein for example.

NoVideo said:

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Unlike some of you I am at work so I do not always have the time to proofread my comments before submitting.
However, a typo does not make what I have to say about the lack of knowledge by some posters on this board invalid as no one will acknowledge that they did not know that Kiss borrows from JB and that the song from YOUTUBE borrows from JB as well.

Once again most of you do not know shit about RnB music which is bizarre considering P started out as an RnB artist. If your ignorant about something your ignorant just deal with it.

VenusBlingBling said:

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"What does intelligence have to do with it?"

Use your intelligence to do some research first and know what the fuck you are talking about instead of spouting off about something you have no clue about.

laurarichardson said:

Gosh, this is a discussion board, we discuss, learn and teach things. No one here was saying anything disrespectful until you made your comments. We don't have to diss each other for not knowing things, we're grown ups and can behave like civil grown ups.

VenusBlingBling said:

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Then go learn something which is a part of being civil.

laurarichardson said:

What's this site for if not learning new things?

laurarichardson said:

Oh yeah, most people don't know that Prince was influenced by James Brown, i'm sure. Thanks for imparting your musical wisdom!! And Prince started as an R&B artist? My image of him has been completely altered. I thought "For You" was a disco album. Dayum, ya learn something new every day.

Yes, Helene Smith's recording is clearly HEAVILY influenced by James Brown. Nobody is disputing that, and I think you'll find if you read back over the thread JB was mentioned in the 2nd post. I have the entire album, and it's terrific. (And I'm sure you have this awesome, obscure R&B gem yourself, being how knowledgeable you are about R&B and all....) It's Helene Smith Sings Sweet Soul, if anybody is interested. Very strong throughout.

But the phrasing and lyric of this particular song are very close to "Kiss" - down to the "you don't have to be rich" line. Whether Prince heard it and was influenced by it, or if both Kiss and Helene's song are just byproducts of JB's influence, we'll never know.

Unless Prince tells us, of course. Which seems unlikely.

laurarichardson said:

Good idea. Since you didn't even bother to find out who the artist is in the YouTube clip (and stated in your post you don't know who it is, despite her name being mentioned earlier in the thread), perhaps you should take your own advice to heart.

NoVideo said:

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Actually I do know the artist name and I took the time to listen to the whole song. I also know that some of you asked who the artist was because you did not take the time to look it up at all which is the whole point of what I am saying.

Who the hell does not know 23 years after "Kiss" was put out that the guitar part is from Papa Got A Brand New Bag and that this artist is ripping of JB as well.

Now you take my advice and utitlize your computer for something other than computer games.

laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

oh, cool.

And again, you'll have to point out where anybody denied that Prince's "Kiss" was influenced by James Brown. I must have missed that, being busy with my video games and all.

NoVideo said:

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Damm the nonsense continues

Most people on this thread apparently don’t know that Prince was influenced by JB or they would not agree that this song was the idea behind “KISS”. They would know that more in likely P has “Papa Has A Brand New Bag” in his 45 collection and not an obscure funk artist from Miami.

Disco is a part of RnB so once again you don’t know what the hell you are talking about.

Very few people on this topic mentioned JB most were already to scream that Prince stole this song from Helene and smartass I have heard of this collection of rare soul from Miami as well as a few compilations from Houston and Oakland.

“You don’t have to rich” is not an original line in the African-American community but I bet you knew that already.

NoVideo said:

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Nobody denied but no one mentioned either when it is so fucking obvious.

VenusBlingBling said:

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But I bet you still don't know anything more than you did when you came to this thread.

laurarichardson said:

On that we can agree.

Reading comprehension - - - a valuable tool. I suggest you learn it.

screw it...if the kids wanna play let 'em play.

People need to
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NoVideo said:

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Dude you have added nothing to this topic at all. I answered all your bullshit line for line so perhaps you need to work on your reading comprehension skills.

The facts are a lot of people on this board show their ignorance about RnB music on a daily basis.
Most threads about RnB groups, singers and historical events have a small amount of views if any at all.

A lot of fans ignore that Prince started out as an RnB artist and if you look for “For You” back in the day it was in the RnB section. I worked in a record store and I don’t recall seeing a disco section.

P is black and did grow up in the black community so he just might have absorbed some “sayings and verbage from his community. “You do have to be rich “ is not some unique phrase that anyone owns the rights to and I am going to bet the bars and chords in this song are not enough to claim palagisim.

P has gone on record to say that he has a massive JB collection and you can hear it in his music today.
From my own record collection you can find thousands of artist who rode off of JB and this Helene chick was one of them. It stands to reason that JB was the main guy that P was following

Now if hoards of people on this board are aware that JB was influence than maybe they need to fucking act like they know and state that instead up bring up every obsurce CD from old RnB artist that they can find.

Now I am going to move on with my life as I just lost 20 minutes with you that I will never get back again.

etifaim said:

Well-worth checking out the whole record. Great vocals.

Laura, understand me now, I'm NOT picking sides for I don't know No Video from Adam but I don't think anbody on here, least of all No Video, is denying the Papa's Got A Brand New Thing influence on the song Kiss. Nor is anyone denying that this song wasn't influenced by James Brown. All No Video was saying is that Kiss sounds a lot like THIS song as well. In James's "Papa's Got", there are no "You don't have to be this" or "You don't have to be that" in the lyrics. It's mainly THERE where P's song Kiss comes to mind in connection to THIS song. Because not only the lyrical theme are damn near identical to Kiss but also the vocal phrasing. Just from that alone is enough to see that P obviously not only had THIS song but he took from it for his song Kiss. No doubt, the heavy JB influence on this is probably what drew P to it in the first place. But there is no denying that he took not only the lyrical content but also the lyrical phrasing from THIS song. That's evident in listening to both songs. Anybody could notice that right away.
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blackguitaristz said:

Exactly.

blackguitaristz said:

Well said.

Love watching Laura get so worked up and ironically calling out people on their musical knowledge when she thinks "You Got To Be A Man" is obscure.

Cinnie said:

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It is not about getting worked up it is about what is wrong and what is right. When I think of the Miami soul sound I don’t think of Helene Smith. I think of Betty Wright or Little Beaver. In fact I think most people would think of these two artist first. Songs and artist are obscure to me (and this is my opinion) when they are not well known and their music did not chart well or at all.

Does anyone know if any of Helene Smith’s songs charted on the RnB chart? Do people outside of rare soul circles know this signer as a part of the Miami soul scene?

Some of you are so arrogant that you have convinced yourselves that how you feel about certain artist is the law even when the facts are just not there.
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Well No Video started with me being an ass with some snarky comment about my grammer. In addtion, in the entire thread one person mentioned “Papa Got A Brand New Bag” and I know the average person does not listen to “KISS” and think this song sounds like that Helene Smith song most people think of JB.

I don’t think I am wrong for pointing out that only one person on this topic seemed to acknowledge the JB refernce.

I simply do not agree the vocal phrasing is the same and while the lyrics are similar they are not the same lyrics and therefore not plagerisim. If you think it is plagerisim than every time someone uses the million colloquialisms that are used in the black community because if that is the case than I guess everybody is plagerizing all the time in RnB music.

How many times have we heard the following phrases used.

Pick Up on this.
Don’t Get it twisted.
Word to the Mother

I could go on with this all day. It is not plagerism but the ignorance I lot of people on this board who have not one fucking clue when it comes to R nB music and black culture which you and I have talked about before.

blackguitaristz said:

laurarichardson said:

Oh, go fuck off. Everybody was talking about how the song is similar, and you started with your bullshit about how everybody is fucking stupid and idiotic about R&B music. You were the one who came into the thread with a giant chip on your shoulder. I pointed out that if you want to call other people stupid, perhaps you should learn to write in a coherent way, something that you are obviously incapable of doing based on your subsequent posts.

And reading isn't your strong point, either.

Whatever, you're the all-knowing R&B guru and everybody else is clueless, fine. Pout as long as you want, i'm not arguing with you any longer. To steal a line from Barney Frank, it's like arguing w/ a kitchen table.

blackguitaristz said:

Exactly right!!

NoVideo said:

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Dude you have been nothing but a total fucking asshole from the minute you jumped on this topic.

I think many people on this board are lacking in their knowledge of RnB music and black culture in general.

I also took the time to explain exactly why I think that.

I do not really give a fuck if you agree or you do not.


I also do not give a fuck if you have a problem with grammar or typos as I did not know when you went to a message board you were taking an English exam.

Your an idiot who can't accept others people's opinions or handle anyone disagreeing with you. Get the fuck over yourself.

I never directly called anyone stupid so apparently your reading level is putting fucking low. I simply think a lot of people ought to use the internet to research things a little better and maybe take sometime out to know a little bit more about other cultures. I am sorry but you are not showing any intelligence when you do not make the fucking effort but I guess it is hard to do this with one's head stuck up their asshole, which you could teach a whole class on.

If you not going to come back to this topic wonderful. You are doing everyone a Hugh fucking favor
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laurarichardson said:

In your initial post you wrote: "I kind of thought everyone with some lick of sense new that Kiss was a JB throw back but I guess some of you are not the smart." That's kind of the same. And I don't think it's necessary to throw around curse words. There is no reason to get aggravated because of this harmless topic. This thread is about the similarities between two songs and most agree on it. Now, let's all cool off and get back to the topic, if that's possible.