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PrintableI have said it before and I will say it again. Prince is like an all around gymnast.He may not be the best in any particular area, but he is so darn close that when you add up all the event scores, he wins every time! 
Stevie, in my book, is the only one who even comes close! Wake up!......Wake up! | |
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Prince is a good singer. The fact that he can sing in the falsetto even though his voice is deep (Barry White like) is very impressive. Stevie Wonder and MJ are good singers too but not GREAT the way some of you want to make them out to be. The best African American singer in recent years was Luther Vandross RIP. The poster who started this thread asked the question of who is better than Prince in different dimensions of talent and the answer is no one. A lot of artists are good in certain things but they are not good in a multitude of things. The only one who comes close is Stevie Wonder but he is not an entertainer. BTW, there is one particular poster (not naming names but who commented in this thread) who never has anything positive to say about Prince or his music. I can understand criticism but when its 24/7, I'm like dude why don't you just find another artist to get into instead of wasting your time posting on this board. Prince believes he is a musical prophet that has been chosen by Jehova to guide his fans to the "truth". | |
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Prince is the full package..he can do a little bit of every thing...
and I think the only artist who can match his constant out put would be miles davis.... The quanity of music that he does entirly by himself is amazing...thats what seperates him fromthe rest....plus who else can fuck with hip hop, r and b, jazz, rock, funk, classical, folk, house, new wave and make it all sound good. prince is overall considered one of the best... song writers guitarist the best falsetto of our generation dancers (ask bet) performers....it might sound like i'm out of my mind...but Prince is the mutha fuckin' shit with a cherry on top.... , [Edited 7/22/09 18:33pm] [Edited 7/22/09 18:35pm] | |
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candy2277 said: Prince is a good singer. The fact that he can sing in the falsetto even though his voice is deep (Barry White like) is very impressive. Stevie Wonder and MJ are good singers too but not GREAT the way some of you want to make them out to be. The best African American singer in recent years was Luther Vandross RIP. The poster who started this thread asked the question of who is better than Prince in different dimensions of talent and the answer is no one. A lot of artists are good in certain things but they are not good in a multitude of things. The only one who comes close is Stevie Wonder but he is not an entertainer. BTW, there is one particular poster (not naming names but who commented in this thread) who never has anything positive to say about Prince or his music. I can understand criticism but when its 24/7, I'm like dude why don't you just find another artist to get into instead of wasting your time posting on this board.
Listen again. Prince and Barry White do not have the same type of voice. Prince might be able to hit low notes, but his register is nowhere near that of Barry White. And yes Stevie Wonder is a great singer, great songwriter, great multi-instrumentalist. Even Prince said that any good artist will gauge their work against Stevie's Songs In The Key Of Life. | |
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I'm suprised these names haven't been added to the debate:
Aretha- Greatest ever singer, interesting pianist, prodigy, multiple styles and genres, iconic, long career JB- Multi-talented, underappreciated musician, composer, songwriter, brilliant performer, Influential and innovative over several decades. Not as diverse musically as P or Stevie and without their pop songcraft. Marvin Gaye- Amazing singer, performer. Great Songwriter. Complex career. Defined album concept with What's Goin On. Hugely influential (Stevie), Conflicted, Complex. Rolling Stones- That catalog is so deep. | |
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Excuse me....the best have to carry on their greatness throughout their lifetime of output. Not everything is going to be their best work, but gems must continue to shine...Have you all heard LotusFlow3r?????
That's Prince's best work in a hot minute... Stevie....What have you done for me lately? Thefuckouttahere with these comparisons....it's really a disservice to the gift. Thanks for the laughs, arguments and overall enjoyment for the last umpteen years. It's time for me to retire from Prince.org and engage in the real world...lol. Above all, I appreciated the talent Prince. You were one of a kind. | |
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nyse said: prince is overall considered one of the best...
song writers Not anymore. His songs are ridiculous most of the time. What 51 year old goes around singing "I got a box o' chocolates that'll knock the socks of any girl that wanna come my way...." I mean REALLY?! REALLY?!?!?! guitarist
He's up there, but he still can't hold a candle to folks like Clapton, or even John Mayer, or Dave Matthews, the last two being very underrated guitarists. the best falsetto of our generation
ssssstttttrrrrreeeeetttttccccchhhhhiiiiinnnnnggggg dancers (ask bet)
Yeah, cuz BET is the end all and be all of black music opinion. 
Prince ain't a dancer the way MJ or even someone like Ne-Yo or Chris BeatHerDown Brown is. Prince can do choreography sure. That's not hard for most folks. But he's not coming up with anything terribly original standing behind a guitar that we've not seen since 1982 with him. performers....it might sound like i'm out of my mind...but Prince is the
mutha fuckin' shit with a cherry on top Ass kissing is so boring. | |
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ernestsewell said: candy2277 said: Prince is a good singer. The fact that he can sing in the falsetto even though his voice is deep (Barry White like) is very impressive. Stevie Wonder and MJ are good singers too but not GREAT the way some of you want to make them out to be. The best African American singer in recent years was Luther Vandross RIP. The poster who started this thread asked the question of who is better than Prince in different dimensions of talent and the answer is no one. A lot of artists are good in certain things but they are not good in a multitude of things. The only one who comes close is Stevie Wonder but he is not an entertainer. BTW, there is one particular poster (not naming names but who commented in this thread) who never has anything positive to say about Prince or his music. I can understand criticism but when its 24/7, I'm like dude why don't you just find another artist to get into instead of wasting your time posting on this board.
Listen again. Prince and Barry White do not have the same type of voice. Prince might be able to hit low notes, but his register is nowhere near that of Barry White. And yes Stevie Wonder is a great singer, great songwriter, great multi-instrumentalist. Even Prince said that any good artist will gauge their work against Stevie's Songs In The Key Of Life. I agree with you that Stevie is a monster. His 70's run of creativity is comparable to no one else's except you-know-who's 80's run. What hurts Stevie in this debate is his laziness and lack of productivity over the last twenty-five years. Could you see Prince not putting out an album for 5-8 years? P has put out more strong side projects (Time, Madhouse, Sheila) than most people have in their own catalogs. Stevie is a great drummer in addition to an all-around multi-instrumentalist. But P is so talented on each instrument and has never needed studio musicians. When Alan Leeds compared Prince and Stevie, he stated that this is where Stevie and Prince are separated in talent. P is a better multi-instrumentalist. Not to mention P's baroque, cutting edge, left-field, brilliant musical compositional mind. And P is the superior stage performer. | |
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Revolution said: Excuse me....the best have to carry on their greatness throughout their lifetime of output. Not everything is going to be their best work, but gems must continue to shine...Have you all heard LotusFlow3r?????
That's Prince's best work in a hot minute... Stevie....What have you done for me lately? Thefuckouttahere with these comparisons....it's really a disservice to the gift. Yeah! I heard LotusFlow3r and it did NOTHING for me! Just as the website bearing the same name has done NOTHING for you!  I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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ernestsewell said: squirrelgrease said: You weren't littering were you?
 NEVER! haha Actually I was the stage manager for a theatre group in Hollywood. We were doing two one-act plays each night (Thurs-Saturday), and the first of the two was called "Father, Save Your Skin". It was a play about Minnesota Native Americans. The director, my friend Jane, knew Iron Eyes Cody somehow. We went to pick him up one night for the show. He sang an Indian song, and did some prayer and spoke for a minute before the show. It was nice. Although I'm from Oklahoma, which is full of Indian history (Oklahoma means Red man), and we have the five civilized tribes, I was just never much into Indian history. I can still name the tribes through. Choctaw, Seminole, Chickasaw, Cherokee, and Creek.
[Edited 7/22/09 13:56pm] Actually did you know that he is Italian and not Native American? I was UPSET when I learned that. Hollywood would give a lot of people jobs playing Indians, but they wouldn't hire REL Native people for a good while back in the day!  | |
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Hey Ernest
Isn't it ironic how you defend P to the detractors, yet marginalize him every chance you get on this site? Your comments about P 'not being able to hold a candle' to the artists you named...and the other offhanded remarks...are downright questionable. Look, you're grown (I assume) and you can say anything you like on a blog. But you should know that you seem to me to carry a hatred for P, beneath your exterior. The comments about P being 'racist' (TRC) and the constant marginaliztion.... And 'no', I am not some young/dumb Prince-bot. There are a handful of things that I don't like about P as well. But I don't feel as if I need to marginalize one of the greatest talents of musical history in order to neutralize an argument. I know many of the members on this site have mad respect for you, as do I, but I had to call you out..... | |
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ernestsewell said: candy2277 said: Prince is a good singer. The fact that he can sing in the falsetto even though his voice is deep (Barry White like) is very impressive. Stevie Wonder and MJ are good singers too but not GREAT the way some of you want to make them out to be. The best African American singer in recent years was Luther Vandross RIP. The poster who started this thread asked the question of who is better than Prince in different dimensions of talent and the answer is no one. A lot of artists are good in certain things but they are not good in a multitude of things. The only one who comes close is Stevie Wonder but he is not an entertainer. BTW, there is one particular poster (not naming names but who commented in this thread) who never has anything positive to say about Prince or his music. I can understand criticism but when its 24/7, I'm like dude why don't you just find another artist to get into instead of wasting your time posting on this board.
Listen again. Prince and Barry White do not have the same type of voice. Prince might be able to hit low notes, but his register is nowhere near that of Barry White. And yes Stevie Wonder is a great singer, great songwriter, great multi-instrumentalist. Even Prince said that any good artist will gauge their work against Stevie's Songs In The Key Of Life. Why don't you read? I didn't say that Prince sang like Barry White. I said his voice is deep like Barry White. Have you heard Prince talk? He has a deep voice. Also, I will not attempt to debate anyone on who they think is and isn't a great singer becaue its based on personal opinion. I said what I felt on this and that is all I got to say. Prince believes he is a musical prophet that has been chosen by Jehova to guide his fans to the "truth". | |
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Dayclear said: Can't nobody mess with Prince, nobody!
In your opinion! Which is cool to have but that's simply not FACT! 
Go ahead, make me prove it!  I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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Sometimes silence is golden... Messages so negative are them, could pass unnoticed if nobody were here to bring to light constantly this kind of speech... I'll die in your arms under the cherry moon... | |
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Hey Ernest
Isn't it ironic how you defend P to the detractors, yet marginalize him every chance you get on this site? Your comments about P 'not being able to hold a candle' to the artists you named...and the other offhanded remarks...are downright questionable. Look, you're grown (I assume) and you can say anything you like on a blog. But you should know that you seem to me to carry a hatred for P, beneath your exterior. The comments about P being 'racist' (TRC) and the constant marginaliztion.... And 'no', I am not some young/dumb Prince-bot. There are a handful of things that I don't like about P as well. But I don't feel as if I need to marginalize one of the greatest talents of musical history in order to neutralize an argument. I know many of the members on this site have mad respect for you, as do I, but I had to call you out.... Too true. It's one thing to disagree with someone. It's also a hell of a thing to start a "Who can fuck with Prince" bait thread in the 1st place. However, it's another kind of madness to constantly bash Prince, and poke his fans on THE Prince fan site. I mean, feel free to do it, but the way I see it is this: It is a PRINCE FANSITE people are supposed to be crazy and overreaching of their admiration for Prince. If someone builds a lifesize Prince statue out of styrofoam and prays to it at their house....they probably should hang out at this website. It would be time and energy well spent. Yet, someone who is honestly going to try to choose John Mayer and Dave (overrated) Matthews over Prince is, in my eyes, wasting their breath and time convincing people at this website. Again, feel free, but what it the point? [Edited 7/22/09 20:30pm] "New Power slide...." |
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ernestsewell said: Bishop31 said: Prince the best...ever?? Are you serious? C'mon. Do you honestly believe that Prince is a better Musician than Beethoven or Mozart? Funky..yes. Talented..yes. But, the best ever..No
Let's not even get into the performing part. But, since you mentioned MJ...I will. I saw both perform. Prince was cool...but I was ready to leave an hour into it. Let's just say that if I wanted a James Brown review concert I would have saw the Godfather himself. I saw MJ in 1987...words cannot express the brilliance I witnessed. Singing and dancing were flawless. Prince is about Musicianship...nothing else. It takes more to be looked at as the Greatest Ever. Dancing - Let's put it out there. Prince is NOT or never was a great "Dancer". Sure, he did cute moves & splits..and acrobatic stuff like that. But, MJ is on another planet when it comes to "Dancing". Ask any street kid who can dance..and Prince won't even get mentioned. But, I bet MJ will. 
Singing - Prince has a good Falsetto. Is he a pure singer like MJ or Stevie Wonder?? Not in your wildest dreams. MJ would have sung Prince under the table...when he was 14! Prince could not hold 1 candle to Stevie when it somes to singing. Like I said...good Falsetto...that's it.
Musicianship - What can Prince do on Guitar that Jimi wasn't doing back in 1967? Don't worry...I'll wait. On Piano...what can Prince do that Herbie Hanckock wasn't doing with Miles Davis & still doing now???
I just named 3 categories for you: Dancing, Singing, Musicianship. Prince is not the best in any of these categories. Can you tell me one category that he IS the best in?? Don't worry....I'll wait. Spot on. Let's not forget that at the same age, MJ was singing in his real voice, while Prince said he couldn't, and it hurt his throat to do so, hence the falsetto. Prince can certainly hold his own singing at this point, but MJ's definitely had more time in the business using his real voice. Even on more recent songs like "Childhood", and "Smile", MJ's voice was in great shape. It seems Prince jumps to the falsetto when he can't quite pull it off in his regular register. "Somewhere Here On Earth" would have been even better if he just sang it straight out. Same with some of the mess on the One Nite Alone album. And it's true about the dancing. Kids weren't doing The Bird on the streets in 1984, they were still doing the Moonwalk and the "Thriller" dance. 
I agree with everything both of you stated. If I were to have posted before you, I would have typed those exact sentiments. In addition, I think Prince is a modern "renaissance entertainer." Like Queen Latifah, for example. Both of them do/did almost EVERYTHING possible regarding music, modeling, and acting. They are very good at what they do onstage or in the studio, and are unique. But are they the "best" or "most amazing" of any of it like MJ, Stevie, or even Whitney? Absolutely not. But as a complete package, both are outstanding, especially considering their efforts to be skilled in so many different forms of musical art simultaneously. "You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
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Dancing - Let's put it out there. Prince is NOT or never was a great "Dancer". Sure, he did cute moves & splits..and acrobatic stuff like that. But, MJ is on another planet when it comes to "Dancing". Ask any street kid who can dance..and Prince won't even get mentioned. But, I bet MJ will.
Mustard and Mayo Singing - Prince has a good Falsetto. Is he a pure singer like MJ or Stevie Wonder?? Not in your wildest dreams. MJ would have sung Prince under the table...when he was 14! Prince could not hold 1 candle to Stevie when it somes to singing. Like I said...good Falsetto...that's it.
Bread Musicianship - What can Prince do on Guitar that Jimi wasn't doing back in 1967? Don't worry...I'll wait. On Piano...what can Prince do that Herbie Hancock wasn't doing with Miles Davis & still doing now???
Meat and Cheese I just named 3 categories for you: Dancing, Singing, Musicianship. Prince is not the best in any of these categories. Can you tell me one category that he IS the best in??
Here is the deal. I like a good sandwich and not just the parts. Now, Hendrix might have made the best meat, and Herbie might have made some stanky good cheese, but neither put it together the way Prince did. None made a sandwich. Sure, Hendrix was "better" than Prince on guitar, but it was meat..no funk, no synth, no sandwich. Prince is the great amalgamator. His gift (which makes him like no other) is how he is damn good at everything. The best at any one thing? Probably not. Most well rounded and versatile? You know it. Ever play Super Mario 2? Prince is like Mario. Not the best at anyone thing, but the only character you would want for any level, anytime, anywhere. Lastly...doesn't the fact that you all are deep with in the bowels of a Prince fan site, arguing how great his isn't, nullify your argument quite a bit? I mean, you are registered here. You are fans already. We used to call that "fronting" or "posing". [Edited 7/22/09 20:45pm] "New Power slide...." |
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candy2277 said: Why don't you read? I didn't say that Prince sang like Barry White. I said his voice is deep like Barry White. Have you heard Prince talk? He has a deep voice.
Also, I will not attempt to debate anyone on who they think is and isn't a great singer becaue its based on personal opinion. I said what I felt on this and that is all I got to say. Prince doesn't talk like Barry White. | |
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free0001 said: Hey Ernest
Isn't it ironic how you defend P to the detractors, yet marginalize him every chance you get on this site? Your comments about P 'not being able to hold a candle' to the artists you named...and the other offhanded remarks...are downright questionable. Look, you're grown (I assume) and you can say anything you like on a blog. But you should know that you seem to me to carry a hatred for P, beneath your exterior. The comments about P being 'racist' (TRC) and the constant marginaliztion.... And 'no', I am not some young/dumb Prince-bot. There are a handful of things that I don't like about P as well. But I don't feel as if I need to marginalize one of the greatest talents of musical history in order to neutralize an argument. I know many of the members on this site have mad respect for you, as do I, but I had to call you out..... Um.....what? You didn't call anyone out, sunshine. I'm not the only one who thinks Prince put a lot of racism on TRC. They voice it as much as I do. And you're right, I can say whatever I want. I will continue to do so. I didn't really need the confirmation from you on it, but it was a sweet effort.  | |
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skywalker said: Yet, someone who is honestly going to try to choose John Mayer and Dave (overrated) Matthews over Prince is, in my eyes, wasting their breath and time convincing people at this website. Again, feel free, but what it the point?
How weird. I just thought the same thing as I read your post. | |
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ernestsewell said: nyse said: prince is overall considered one of the best...
song writers Not anymore. His songs are ridiculous most of the time. What 51 year old goes around singing "I got a box o' chocolates that'll knock the socks of any girl that wanna come my way...." I mean REALLY?! REALLY?!?!?! Yeah, cuz BET is the end all and be all of black music opinion.
Prince ain't a dancer the way MJ or even someone like Ne-Yo or Chris BeatHerDown Brown is. Prince can do choreography sure. That's not hard for most folks. But he's not coming up with anything terribly original standing behind a guitar that we've not seen since 1982 with him. performers....it might sound like i'm out of my mind...but Prince is the
mutha fuckin' shit with a cherry on top Ass kissing is so boring. prince is single , he is 51, he can have fun...I thought u were down with thAT.... Clapton is in the same relm as prince on the frets, but john mayer is a SSSSTTTTTRRRRREEEEETTTTCCCCHHHHH.....and I like j. mayer. Prince is no M.J. but Ne-yo stole alot of moves from Prince. Ne-yo has little feeling. Prince had the energy of james brown... and.....the people who kiss our ass are boring too.....no... | |
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nyse said: prince is single , he is 51, he can have fun...I thought u were down with thAT
Seems you're having a different conversation than me, so I'll let ya go. Bye. | |
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ernestsewell said: skywalker said: Yet, someone who is honestly going to try to choose John Mayer and Dave (overrated) Matthews over Prince is, in my eyes, wasting their breath and time convincing people at this website. Again, feel free, but what it the point?
How weird. I just thought the same thing as I read your post. Hmm. Why the hostile/sarcastic attitude? "New Power slide...." |
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To all the folks saying Prince relies heavily on his falsetto
must have never heard of songs like: How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore Purple Rain 1999 Little Red Corvette D.M.S.R Erotic City She's Always In My Hair When Doves Cry and Automatic I'm sure there's more, but you catch my drift. ETA: Oh how could I forget Controversy. [Edited 7/22/09 22:40pm] | |
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tonyat said: To all the folks saying Prince relies heavily on his falsetto
must have never heard of songs like: How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore Purple Rain 1999 Little Red Corvette D.M.S.R Erotic City She's Always In My Hair When Doves Cry and Automatic I'm sure there's more, but you catch my drift. that's falsetto except for the end | |
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DesireeNevermind said: tonyat said: To all the folks saying Prince relies heavily on his falsetto
must have never heard of songs like: How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore Purple Rain 1999 Little Red Corvette D.M.S.R Erotic City She's Always In My Hair When Doves Cry and Automatic I'm sure there's more, but you catch my drift. that's falsetto except for the end U sure about that? | |
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ernestsewell said: candy2277 said: Why don't you read? I didn't say that Prince sang like Barry White. I said his voice is deep like Barry White. Have you heard Prince talk? He has a deep voice.
Also, I will not attempt to debate anyone on who they think is and isn't a great singer becaue its based on personal opinion. I said what I felt on this and that is all I got to say. Prince doesn't talk like Barry White. LOL, Man you're funny. I didn't say he talked like Barry White, either. His voice is deep, similar to Barry White. Don't you know that the human voice differs in tone. Some people have deep voices, soft voices, high pitch voices, nasal voices, etc. I have a soft voice. Prince believes he is a musical prophet that has been chosen by Jehova to guide his fans to the "truth". | |
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