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PrintableBishop31 said: Prince the best...ever?? Are you serious? C'mon. Do you honestly believe that Prince is a better Musician than Beethoven or Mozart? Funky..yes. Talented..yes. But, the best ever..No
Let's not even get into the performing part. But, since you mentioned MJ...I will. I saw both perform. Prince was cool...but I was ready to leave an hour into it. Let's just say that if I wanted a James Brown review concert I would have saw the Godfather himself. I saw MJ in 1987...words cannot express the brilliance I witnessed. Singing and dancing were flawless. Prince is about Musicianship...nothing else. It takes more to be looked at as the Greatest Ever. Dancing - Let's put it out there. Prince is NOT or never was a great "Dancer". Sure, he did cute moves & splits..and acrobatic stuff like that. But, MJ is on another planet when it comes to "Dancing". Ask any street kid who can dance..and Prince won't even get mentioned. But, I bet MJ will. 
Singing - Prince has a good Falsetto. Is he a pure singer like MJ or Stevie Wonder?? Not in your wildest dreams. MJ would have sung Prince under the table...when he was 14! Prince could not hold 1 candle to Stevie when it somes to singing. Like I said...good Falsetto...that's it.
Musicianship - What can Prince do on Guitar that Jimi wasn't doing back in 1967? Don't worry...I'll wait. On Piano...what can Prince do that Herbie Hanckock wasn't doing with Miles Davis & still doing now???
I just named 3 categories for you: Dancing, Singing, Musicianship. Prince is not the best in any of these categories. Can you tell me one category that he IS the best in?? Don't worry....I'll wait. Spot on. Let's not forget that at the same age, MJ was singing in his real voice, while Prince said he couldn't, and it hurt his throat to do so, hence the falsetto. Prince can certainly hold his own singing at this point, but MJ's definitely had more time in the business using his real voice. Even on more recent songs like "Childhood", and "Smile", MJ's voice was in great shape. It seems Prince jumps to the falsetto when he can't quite pull it off in his regular register. "Somewhere Here On Earth" would have been even better if he just sang it straight out. Same with some of the mess on the One Nite Alone album. And it's true about the dancing. Kids weren't doing The Bird on the streets in 1984, they were still doing the Moonwalk and the "Thriller" dance. | |
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Dancing - Let's put it out there. Prince is NOT or never was a great "Dancer". Sure, he did cute moves & splits..and acrobatic stuff like that
 and stuff like that | |
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NouveauDance said: squirrelgrease said: 
squirrelgrease said: You weren't littering were you?
*wets self* Co-sign, biggest laugh on here for ages.  | |
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Seems like you've got your mind made up already. So sad. Maybe you should open your mind to other music a little and stop being so defensive about your precious Prince.[/quote] Indeed! I agree with you. Expand your horizons, cause Prince aint the only one out there putting good music out. | |
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BOWIE - every move P made Bowie had done before. DB was and is a genius, not afraid of collaboration in the pusuit of his art. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: Dancing - Let's put it out there. Prince is NOT or never was a great "Dancer". Sure, he did cute moves & splits..and acrobatic stuff like that
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funkyhead said: BOWIE - every move P made Bowie had done before. DB was and is a genius, not afraid of collaboration in the pusuit of his art.
I'm afraid of the Little Drummer Boy!  | |
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ernestsewell said: Bishop31 said: Prince the best...ever?? Are you serious? C'mon. Do you honestly believe that Prince is a better Musician than Beethoven or Mozart? Funky..yes. Talented..yes. But, the best ever..No
Let's not even get into the performing part. But, since you mentioned MJ...I will. I saw both perform. Prince was cool...but I was ready to leave an hour into it. Let's just say that if I wanted a James Brown review concert I would have saw the Godfather himself. I saw MJ in 1987...words cannot express the brilliance I witnessed. Singing and dancing were flawless. Prince is about Musicianship...nothing else. It takes more to be looked at as the Greatest Ever. Dancing - Let's put it out there. Prince is NOT or never was a great "Dancer". Sure, he did cute moves & splits..and acrobatic stuff like that. But, MJ is on another planet when it comes to "Dancing". Ask any street kid who can dance..and Prince won't even get mentioned. But, I bet MJ will.
Singing - Prince has a good Falsetto. Is he a pure singer like MJ or Stevie Wonder?? Not in your wildest dreams. MJ would have sung Prince under the table...when he was 14! Prince could not hold 1 candle to Stevie when it somes to singing. Like I said...good Falsetto...that's it.
Musicianship - What can Prince do on Guitar that Jimi wasn't doing back in 1967? Don't worry...I'll wait. On Piano...what can Prince do that Herbie Hanckock wasn't doing with Miles Davis & still doing now???
I just named 3 categories for you: Dancing, Singing, Musicianship. Prince is not the best in any of these categories. Can you tell me one category that he IS the best in?? Don't worry....I'll wait. Spot on. Let's not forget that at the same age, MJ was singing in his real voice, while Prince said he couldn't, and it hurt his throat to do so, hence the falsetto. Prince can certainly hold his own singing at this point, but MJ's definitely had more time in the business using his real voice. Even on more recent songs like "Childhood", and "Smile", MJ's voice was in great shape. It seems Prince jumps to the falsetto when he can't quite pull it off in his regular register. "Somewhere Here On Earth" would have been even better if he just sang it straight out. Same with some of the mess on the One Nite Alone album. And it's true about the dancing. Kids weren't doing The Bird on the streets in 1984, they were still doing the Moonwalk and the "Thriller" dance. True on every point. Prince has never been what I call a "vocalist". He does rely heavily on his Falsetto register. His natural voice is unimpressive to say the least. Kids back in the 80's were dancing like MJ. Even now, I remember last year a whole episode on America's Best Dance Crew was dedicated to MJ. His influence on todays youth is crazy! | |
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mcmeekle said: funkyhead said: BOWIE - every move P made Bowie had done before. DB was and is a genius, not afraid of collaboration in the pusuit of his art.
I'm afraid of the Little Drummer Boy! Oh yeah with that old dude bing crossby or whatever. I liked it. At least I think i did. I was wee wittle kidlet. aw fuck lemme go youtube that shit to make sure. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: mcmeekle said: I'm afraid of the Little Drummer Boy! Oh yeah with that old dude bing crossby or whatever. I liked it. At least I think i did. I was wee wittle kidlet. aw fuck lemme go youtube that shit to make sure.  | |
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Revolution said: Bishop31 said: Prince the best...ever?? Are you serious? C'mon. Do you honestly believe that Prince is a better Musician than Beethoven or Mozart? Funky..yes. Talented..yes. But, the best ever..No Let's not even get into the performing part. But, since you mentioned MJ...I will. I saw both perform. Prince was cool...but I was ready to leave an hour into it. Let's just say that if I wanted a James Brown review concert I would have saw the Godfather himself. I saw MJ in 1987...words cannot express the brilliance I witnessed. Singing and dancing were flawless. Prince is about Musicianship...nothing else. It takes more to be looked at as the Greatest Ever. Dancing - Let's put it out there. Prince is NOT or never was a great "Dancer". Sure, he did cute moves & splits..and acrobatic stuff like that. But, MJ is on another planet when it comes to "Dancing". Ask any street kid who can dance..and Prince won't even get mentioned. But, I bet MJ will. Singing - Prince has a good Falsetto. Is he a pure singer like MJ or Stevie Wonder?? Not in your wildest dreams. MJ would have sung Prince under the table...when he was 14! Prince could not hold 1 candle to Stevie when it somes to singing. Like I said...good Falsetto...that's it.Musicianship - What can Prince do on Guitar that Jimi wasn't doing back in 1967? Don't worry...I'll wait. On Piano...what can Prince do that Herbie Hanckock wasn't doing with Miles Davis & still doing now???I just named 3 categories for you: Dancing, Singing, Musicianship. Prince is not the best in any of these categories. Can you tell me one category that he IS the best in?? Don't worry....I'll wait.  [Edited 7/22/09 15:08pm] I can't win your argument...dude, I'm not saying that Prince is the best IN ANY ONE CATEGORY...I'm his biggest fan and will admit that. What I'm talking about is the entire entertainment package. NO ONE puts it together like Prince...and no one will, ever. He's probably made a deal with the devil....(hooves??) However, let's rephrase YOUR questions to take those people out of their element: Could Jimi or Stevie DANCE like Prince. Could MJ play guitar or piano as well? Sit James Brown at a piano and peeps will go home. Total Package...nuff said. Exactly. He is the all round entertainer. He can do it ALL masterfully, Not ONE other can do this. This makes him the best. He is everything about the other greats but also, Prince. Nuff said indeed. This Post is produced, arranged, composed and performed by WetDream | |
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mcmeekle said: DesireeNevermind said: Oh yeah with that old dude bing crossby or whatever. I liked it. At least I think i did. I was wee wittle kidlet. aw fuck lemme go youtube that shit to make sure. well | |
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: STEVIE WONDER - No argument necessary! Exactly. | |
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WetDream said: HatrinaHaterwitz said: STEVIE WONDER - No argument necessary!
Prince turns him out 3121 times over. The answer is no one. | |
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Look, I understand art criticism and objectivity. But haven't you had a good old-fashioned Rock and Roll debate? You must hate the greatest of all-time lists. Sure, I have had the great rock & roll debate many times. Some of those debates right here in the confines of prince.org. However, it usually just turns into people getting pissy and territorial about their personal likes and dislikes. You don't have to convince me that Prince can wipe the floor with anyone, but not every one has good taste  ."New Power slide...." |
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i can probably name 10 people that sing better than the guy. I bet if we were to ask Prince himself, he'd probably name someone better than him. | |
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Frank Zappa, Joni Mitchell, David Bowie, Tom Waits, Stevie Wonder, George Clinton...
We don't love Prince because he's the best, we love him because he's a mess, of styles, looks, personae, sexualities, music, it's a hideous mish-mash that all comes together in one imperfect package we call Prince, but good lord should no-body here be under any grand delusions that he's "the best". [Edited 7/22/09 16:16pm] | |
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Revolution said: Bishop31 said: Prince the best...ever?? Are you serious? C'mon. Do you honestly believe that Prince is a better Musician than Beethoven or Mozart? Funky..yes. Talented..yes. But, the best ever..No Let's not even get into the performing part. But, since you mentioned MJ...I will. I saw both perform. Prince was cool...but I was ready to leave an hour into it. Let's just say that if I wanted a James Brown review concert I would have saw the Godfather himself. I saw MJ in 1987...words cannot express the brilliance I witnessed. Singing and dancing were flawless. Prince is about Musicianship...nothing else. It takes more to be looked at as the Greatest Ever. Dancing - Let's put it out there. Prince is NOT or never was a great "Dancer". Sure, he did cute moves & splits..and acrobatic stuff like that. But, MJ is on another planet when it comes to "Dancing". Ask any street kid who can dance..and Prince won't even get mentioned. But, I bet MJ will.
Singing - Prince has a good Falsetto. Is he a pure singer like MJ or Stevie Wonder?? Not in your wildest dreams. MJ would have sung Prince under the table...when he was 14! Prince could not hold 1 candle to Stevie when it somes to singing. Like I said...good Falsetto...that's it.
Musicianship - What can Prince do on Guitar that Jimi wasn't doing back in 1967? Don't worry...I'll wait. On Piano...what can Prince do that Herbie Hanckock wasn't doing with Miles Davis & still doing now???
I just named 3 categories for you: Dancing, Singing, Musicianship. Prince is not the best in any of these categories. Can you tell me one category that he IS the best in?? Don't worry....I'll wait.
[Edited 7/22/09 15:08pm] I can't win your argument...dude, I'm not saying that Prince is the best IN ANY ONE CATEGORY...I'm his biggest fan and will admit that. What I'm talking about is the entire entertainment package. NO ONE puts it together like Prince...and no one will, ever. He's probably made a deal with the devil....(hooves??) However, let's rephrase YOUR questions to take those people out of their element: Could Jimi or Stevie DANCE like Prince. Could MJ play guitar or piano as well? Sit James Brown at a piano and peeps will go home. Total Package...nuff said. sounds like a true diehard fan speaking, not objectively. So what Jimi or Stevie didn't dance. and to be honest with you, Prince's dancing is nothing to write home about, either. Besides the mic stand trick and the splits, his dancing is less than adequate, at best. Can't even come CLOSE to Michael Jackson. and plus, you don't hear ANYONE saying they want to dance like Prince, either. Sure, he has influenced MUSICIANS, but not the everyday average joe. His best days are behind him. If this question was posted back in the 80's, you'd be hard pressed to find any fault, as Prince WAS at his best. You're not even listening to other people's opinions, just gung-ho Prince is the be-all, end-all, which only the diehard fans have put him on this great big pedestal. No wonder why Prince has such a big ego. | |
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jdcxc said: We all expect superhuman, genius, and revolutionary things from our Royal Purple Badness. But let me ask anyone- What other musical artists over the last 60 years of the Rock Era have been in the same creative league as Prince?
Criteria: Influence/Impact, Longevity of Creativity, Complexity/Diversity of Sounds, Multi-Dimensional Talents (Songwriting, Production, Performance, Musicianship, etc), Intangibles. In my opinion the following do not fit the bill: Springsteen, U2, Jimi Hendrix, Bob Dylan. Arguments anyone? I believe the word haters is banned on hate prince.org | |
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If you would have posed the question differently, without interjecting such a strong opinion, this thread would have had a much different complexion.
It's in human nature for others to 'push back' when strong statements like yours are made. Your tone itself invited a contrarian response. Even though your final premise is stalkerish and annoying, I agree that Prince is the embodiment of musical excellence, unmatched by any other single artist that I've heard; and that the majority of the 'competitors' named by other members of this site, would readily proclaim, 'I'm ok, but I can't fvck with Prince'. Including Stevie Wonder, Jimi Hendrix, George Clinton, Frank Zappa, Joni Mitchell, David Bowie, Tom Waits, etc etc. I suggest you try a little humility..... | |
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THE FACT IS that Prince is one of the last two or 3 (Stevie Wonder & who ? Sorry I don't see) greatest & multitalented artist living on earth...
Nobody can handle this !  I'll die in your arms under the cherry moon... | |
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saafiir said: THE FACT IS that Prince is one of the last two or 3 (Stevie Wonder & who ? Sorry I don't see) greatest & multitalented artist living on earth...
Nobody can handle this ! spoken like a true stalkerish fan  | |
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Bishop31 said: ernestsewell said: Spot on. Let's not forget that at the same age, MJ was singing in his real voice, while Prince said he couldn't, and it hurt his throat to do so, hence the falsetto. Prince can certainly hold his own singing at this point, but MJ's definitely had more time in the business using his real voice. Even on more recent songs like "Childhood", and "Smile", MJ's voice was in great shape. It seems Prince jumps to the falsetto when he can't quite pull it off in his regular register. "Somewhere Here On Earth" would have been even better if he just sang it straight out. Same with some of the mess on the One Nite Alone album. And it's true about the dancing. Kids weren't doing The Bird on the streets in 1984, they were still doing the Moonwalk and the "Thriller" dance. True on every point. Prince has never been what I call a "vocalist". He does rely heavily on his Falsetto register. His natural voice is unimpressive to say the least. Kids back in the 80's were dancing like MJ. Even now, I remember last year a whole episode on America's Best Dance Crew was dedicated to MJ. His influence on todays youth is crazy! I think Prince natural voice is impressive. MJ on the other hand I can't say the same. MJ may had dance, but I believe that makes up for other lack of talents. I'm not going to go further into that because I know this isn't a Prince vs MJ. One person I agree who is in a league with Prince is Stevie Wonder, but he doesn't have quite the diversity. ie have you ever heard Stevie Wonder do rock? I could be wrong because I haven't. | |
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jdcxc said: To All The Haters- "Who Can F With P?"
are you tony m.? | |
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Rococomojo said: Frank Zappa, Joni Mitchell, David Bowie, Tom Waits, Stevie Wonder, George Clinton...
We don't love Prince because he's the best, we love him because he's a mess, of styles, looks, personae, sexualities, music, it's a hideous mish-mash that all comes together in one imperfect package we call Prince, but good lord should no-body here be under any grand delusions that he's "the best". [Edited 7/22/09 16:16pm] Some good picks but I wouldn't put them in the same complex package that is Prince. But Tom Waits...please. Joni- Brilliant songwriter, but lacking in stage presence, vocal or instrumental chops. Frank Zappa-Brilliant musician but without the compositional, production or stage skills of P. George Clinton-Funky, great ideas...but c'mon. I would put Bowie and Stevie in the close but no cigar category. Bowie is an interesting artist but more of an appropriator than a musician. Performance art over musicianship. Stevie- Brilliant Songwriter, Innovator, Producer, Great Catalog, Multiple generational influence. And Stevie's vocal style has been copied by almost every contemporary R&B artist on the radio over the last twenty years. MJ- Brilliant entertainer but as a musician/composer/songwriter/producer not in the same league as P. Don't forget that he had Smokey Robinson, Quincy Jones, The Corporation (Motown), Rod Temperton, Stevie, etc. crafting his sound. Prince was all alone from the age of 18! Just think about that fact when you compare him to others. He was the youngest musician ever to produce himself, play all the instruments and write all the material on his debut record. He singlehandidly paved the way for the producer-led era. And don't even get started on his scores of great side projects. | |
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kenlacam said: saafiir said: THE FACT IS that Prince is one of the last two or 3 (Stevie Wonder & who ? Sorry I don't see) greatest & multitalented artist living on earth...
Nobody can handle this ! spoken like a true stalkerish fan
Yeah nobody can !!!!! I'll die in your arms under the cherry moon... | |
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Anxiety said: jdcxc said: To All The Haters- "Who Can F With P?"
are you tony m.? Close...T.C. Ellis. | |
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You all do realise that topics of this nature will never be resolved...right I swear the words "HATER" is wayyy over-rated...smh | |
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: STEVIE WONDER - No argument necessary!
 Wake up!......Wake up! | |
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JayJai said: You all do realise that topics of this nature will never be resolved...right
shhh  ...this is the 4th time the matrix prince argument has been rebuilt(c) Colonel Sanders lookin guy | |
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