dseann said: JayJai said: Same thing I was wondering. It affects the central nervous system and is often addictive (when smoked). "So why smoke it?", is wat I ask sometimes. If u wanna ingest marijuana, why not use it for it's medicinal values? That is the biggest LIE ever posted on the org. Absolutely no one has ever been "addicted" to marijuana. If I am wrong, please list "ONE" person. It ain't the biggest lie...Imago use to say Prince wears wigs all the time. Anyway... I can name about 15 dudes that hang out down the street, including a few whom I've witnessed have withdrawals. Mind u, I said often, cause I can't claim to kno the effect of it on everyone that uses it, and ppl's body react to things differently at times too, but u said "absolutely no one", like u kno it's effect on everyone that uses it... so who's lyin now huh? Don't get worked up...this is jus the internet. I swear the words "HATER" is wayyy over-rated...smh | |
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GetWildHornyPony said: djThunderfunk said: It's an herb... Drugs need to be processed before ingested, Cannabis can be ingested immediately after picking it. It does have some effects that most equate with drugs, but unlike EVERY drug (including pharmecuticals) NOBODY has ever died from it... the effect of an overdose is to pass out. Oohh, scary! u're wrong! Bob Marley is died... all u smoke, u can have a cancer! sorry! Bob Marley's cancer started in his toe, not his lungs. Don't hate your neighbors. Hate the media that tells you to hate your neighbors. | |
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i don't know how this addictive thing started.. THC has absolutely NO chemicals in it that create a chemical dependency or addiction. People become habitual users, but by no means are they addicted. Like someone who has a habit of eating more than one Lay's potato chip. They are NOT AT ALL addicted to lay's, they have just incorperated Lay's into their life enuff to where seperating themselves from Lay's makes them uncomfortable because they don't know what to do instead. | |
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JayJai said: dseann said: That is the biggest LIE ever posted on the org. Absolutely no one has ever been "addicted" to marijuana. If I am wrong, please list "ONE" person. It ain't the biggest lie...Imago use to say Prince wears wigs all the time. Anyway... I can name about 15 dudes that hang out down the street, including a few whom I've witnessed have withdrawals. Mind u, I said often, cause I can't claim to kno the effect of it on everyone that uses it, and ppl's body react to things differently at times too, but u said "absolutely no one", like u kno it's effect on everyone that uses it... so who's lyin now huh? Don't get worked up...this is jus the internet. Can U describe these withdrawals you mentioned? There is a difference between someone who loves to smoke weed and someone who needs to smoke weed. I have never met anyone who "needs" to smoke weed or even heard of one. I have smoked with people in many different countries on many different continents and never met one. | |
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dseann said: JayJai said: It ain't the biggest lie...Imago use to say Prince wears wigs all the time. Anyway... I can name about 15 dudes that hang out down the street, including a few whom I've witnessed have withdrawals. Mind u, I said often, cause I can't claim to kno the effect of it on everyone that uses it, and ppl's body react to things differently at times too, but u said "absolutely no one", like u kno it's effect on everyone that uses it... so who's lyin now huh? Don't get worked up...this is jus the internet. Can U describe these withdrawals you mentioned? There is a difference between someone who loves to smoke weed and someone who needs to smoke weed. I have never met anyone who "needs" to smoke weed or even heard of one. I have smoked with people in many different countries on many different continents and never met one. Withdrawal symptoms are similar to those of an alcoholic or anyone that's addicted to something. And yeah...there is a difference between someone who wants to and who needs to... and that difference is the addiction that person has to it. There are many chemicals in the plant itself that affect the brain and may lead to addiction... usage amount will determine addiction. I swear the words "HATER" is wayyy over-rated...smh | |
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JayJai said: dseann said: Can U describe these withdrawals you mentioned? There is a difference between someone who loves to smoke weed and someone who needs to smoke weed. I have never met anyone who "needs" to smoke weed or even heard of one. I have smoked with people in many different countries on many different continents and never met one. Withdrawal symptoms are similar to those of an alcoholic or anyone that's addicted to something. And yeah...there is a difference between someone who wants to and who needs to... and that difference is the addiction that person has to it. There are many chemicals in the plant itself that affect the brain and may lead to addiction... usage amount will determine addiction. well, the withdraw symptoms from nicotine are different fron the withdrawal effects of alcohol, which inturn, are different than the withdrawl effects of speed....and even ALL of those are different from the withdrawll effects of opiates. Weed IS NOT addictive. Believe me. I'm a recovering addict and have been educated about this MANY times. When I try to quit smoking cigarettes....I have MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH different symptoms than when I went off the vicodins. TYhe withdrawl symptoms of alcohol can kill U. Not the same for any other drug. NOTHING, i mean ABSOLUTELY nothing from weed can kill U from a direct effect. Cancer can possible kill 15-50 years down the line but that's a whole different monster. please educate yourself before U make blanket statements about addiction. [Edited 5/26/09 9:27am] | |
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JayJai said: dseann said: Can U describe these withdrawals you mentioned? There is a difference between someone who loves to smoke weed and someone who needs to smoke weed. I have never met anyone who "needs" to smoke weed or even heard of one. I have smoked with people in many different countries on many different continents and never met one. Withdrawal symptoms are similar to those of an alcoholic or anyone that's addicted to something. And yeah...there is a difference between someone who wants to and who needs to... and that difference is the addiction that person has to it. There are many chemicals in the plant itself that affect the brain and may lead to addiction... usage amount will determine addiction. withdrawal symptoms are no where near those of alcohol a few days of mild agitation, lack of appetite and perhaps a little insomnia... I know some alcoholics that would love to trade for those withdrawal symptoms instead of a lifetime of cravings, physical illness, massive mood swings, etc... Don't hate your neighbors. Hate the media that tells you to hate your neighbors. | |
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BobGeorge909 said: JayJai said: Withdrawal symptoms are similar to those of an alcoholic or anyone that's addicted to something. And yeah...there is a difference between someone who wants to and who needs to... and that difference is the addiction that person has to it. There are many chemicals in the plant itself that affect the brain and may lead to addiction... usage amount will determine addiction. well, the withdraw symptoms from nicotine are different fron the withdrawal effects of alcohol, which inturn, are different than the withdrawl effects of speed....and even ALL of those are different from the withdrawll effects of opiates. Weed IS NOT addictive. Believe me. I'm a recovering addict and have been educated about this MANY times. When I try to quit smoking cigarettes....I have MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH different symptoms than when I went off the vicodins. TYhe withdrawl symptoms of alcohol can kill U. Not the same for any other drug. NOTHING, i mean ABSOLUTELY nothing from weed can kill U from a direct effect. Cancer can possible kill 15-50 years down the line but that's a whole different monster. please educate yourself before U make blanket statements about addiction. [Edited 5/26/09 9:27am] I did research it before I made my posts... been researching it for yrs actually. I would never post my own opinion about topics like this. Please don't assume that one doesn't educate his/herself about wat they post. Once again, the way something may affect u, might affect me differently.... and yes, weed is addictive to some... like I said... there are many chemicals in the plant itself that affect the brain and may lead to addiction. I swear the words "HATER" is wayyy over-rated...smh | |
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JayJai said: BobGeorge909 said: well, the withdraw symptoms from nicotine are different fron the withdrawal effects of alcohol, which inturn, are different than the withdrawl effects of speed....and even ALL of those are different from the withdrawll effects of opiates. Weed IS NOT addictive. Believe me. I'm a recovering addict and have been educated about this MANY times. When I try to quit smoking cigarettes....I have MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH different symptoms than when I went off the vicodins. TYhe withdrawl symptoms of alcohol can kill U. Not the same for any other drug. NOTHING, i mean ABSOLUTELY nothing from weed can kill U from a direct effect. Cancer can possible kill 15-50 years down the line but that's a whole different monster. please educate yourself before U make blanket statements about addiction. [Edited 5/26/09 9:27am] I did research it before I made my posts... been researching it for yrs actually. I would never post my own opinion about topics like this. Please don't assume that one doesn't educate his/herself about wat they post. Once again, the way something may affect u, might affect me differently.... and yes, weed is addictive to some... like I said... there are many chemicals in the plant itself that affect the brain and may lead to addiction. U didn't do good research then...cuz U're all wrong. Sorry...not being judgemental...just lettin u know. | |
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BobGeorge909 said: JayJai said: I did research it before I made my posts... been researching it for yrs actually. I would never post my own opinion about topics like this. Please don't assume that one doesn't educate his/herself about wat they post. Once again, the way something may affect u, might affect me differently.... and yes, weed is addictive to some... like I said... there are many chemicals in the plant itself that affect the brain and may lead to addiction. U didn't do good research then...cuz U're all wrong. Sorry...not being judgemental...just lettin u know. There is a broad set of withdrawal symptoms that ppl would have for any type of addiction... then there are specifics. I swear the words "HATER" is wayyy over-rated...smh | |
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JayJai said: BobGeorge909 said: U didn't do good research then...cuz U're all wrong. Sorry...not being judgemental...just lettin u know. There is a broad set of withdrawal symptoms that ppl would have for any type of addiction... then there are specifics. then i guess someone really CAN get addicted to Lay's potato chips. | |
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BobGeorge909 said: JayJai said: There is a broad set of withdrawal symptoms that ppl would have for any type of addiction... then there are specifics. then i guess someone really CAN get addicted to Lay's potato chips. HOT CHEETOS are crack-like....TAKIS are opiates | |
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legna said: BobGeorge909 said: then i guess someone really CAN get addicted to Lay's potato chips. HOT CHEETOS are crack-like....TAKIS are opiates never had TAKIS...should I try them, or will I come out the other side looking like keith richards? | |
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whenever I see this thread title, I think of what prince shoulda said, "I'd give U a bitch but wouldn't give U a joint. Bitches ain't shit and now I made my point."
ten points to whoever can tell me who this quote is from. [Edited 5/26/09 15:29pm] | |
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BobGeorge909 said: whenever I see this thread title, I think of what prince shoulda said, "I'd give U a bitch but wouldn't give U a joint. Bitches ain't shit and now I made my point."
ten points to whoever can tell me who this quote is from. [Edited 5/26/09 15:29pm] snoopy dogg? | |
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GetWildHornyPony said: BobGeorge909 said: whenever I see this thread title, I think of what prince shoulda said, "I'd give U a bitch but wouldn't give U a joint. Bitches ain't shit and now I made my point."
ten points to whoever can tell me who this quote is from. [Edited 5/26/09 15:29pm] snoopy dogg? WROOOOONG! Too Short..the Oaktown Mac I just noticed this...u said snoopY Dogg?!?! oh my [Edited 5/27/09 2:15am] | |
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BobGeorge909 said:
There is a difference between someone who loves to smoke weed and someone who needs to smoke weed. I have never met anyone who "needs" to smoke weed or even heard of one. I have smoked with people in many different countries on many different continents and never met one.
This has been my experience too. I've been smoking weed now for about 35 years and, tobacco related issues to one side, have never felt addicted to it and never come across anyone who could be said to be addicted to it or anyone whose had "withdrawal symptoms" when they've not been smoking. I don't smoke weed on holiday, I don't smoke it at work or during the weekend when my children and grandchilden visit. I don't smoke if I'm out shopping. For me it's very much a private pleasure. When I come home from work at night it's so good just to kick my shoes off and light up a joint. (More people should try it!)I turn on the radio, cook myself dinner and then just chill out with some music or a good book or some cheesy TV. It certainly helps me cast off the tensions built up during the day of working for a corporation that's so large and inefficient that getting any proactive input from management is like trying to get blood from a stone. It not only helps get rid of the frustrations but it has also helped me come up with some pretty good ideas and some quite innovative solutions (even if I do say so myself) to problems in work that have been adopted as the norm now. It's so great sometimes, to be drifting off to sleep and suddenly WHAM you've got an answer to a question you didn't even know you were asking. I don't pretend to understand the workings of my brain or psyche but I do know that smoking weed gives me a different level/way of understanding things. Is there anybody else who has slightly mysterious bruises? | |
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HoneyB said: BobGeorge909 said:
There is a difference between someone who loves to smoke weed and someone who needs to smoke weed. I have never met anyone who "needs" to smoke weed or even heard of one. I have smoked with people in many different countries on many different continents and never met one.
This has been my experience too. I've been smoking weed now for about 35 years and, tobacco related issues to one side, have never felt addicted to it and never come across anyone who could be said to be addicted to it or anyone whose had "withdrawal symptoms" when they've not been smoking. I don't smoke weed on holiday, I don't smoke it at work or during the weekend when my children and grandchilden visit. I don't smoke if I'm out shopping. For me it's very much a private pleasure. When I come home from work at night it's so good just to kick my shoes off and light up a joint. (More people should try it!)I turn on the radio, cook myself dinner and then just chill out with some music or a good book or some cheesy TV. It certainly helps me cast off the tensions built up during the day of working for a corporation that's so large and inefficient that getting any proactive input from management is like trying to get blood from a stone. It not only helps get rid of the frustrations but it has also helped me come up with some pretty good ideas and some quite innovative solutions (even if I do say so myself) to problems in work that have been adopted as the norm now. It's so great sometimes, to be drifting off to sleep and suddenly WHAM you've got an answer to a question you didn't even know you were asking. I don't pretend to understand the workings of my brain or psyche but I do know that smoking weed gives me a different level/way of understanding things. Sweet...a GILSO!(Gramma I'd Love to Smoke Out) acronyms aside, weed is an excellent stress reliever. it also opens your mind up a bit to alternatives, giving U more options with whatever U're thinking about. Granted, some of the ideas(many of them...lol) don't amount to much, but U still get those weekly jewels that make your life easier/better ON TOP of the stress relieveing factor. Except for those who get very paranoid(u know who u are), I'd suggest it to ANYone who doesn't have children under the age of 12-15 to care for. [Edited 5/27/09 13:06pm] | |
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djThunderfunk said: mdd said: Ok you got a point....but many of them the creators of the music died in the proces,and that you cant denie. NONE of them died from weed, and that YOU can't deny! Just a thing,smoking pot incrise the chance on 30 % of geting a sycotic episod for those who have the disposition of the problem and that a medical fact. Another thing;many of the creators of the music you claim to be maide by the influence of pot started on pot and moved to heavy stuff after the pot. Its a miracle Clapton stills alive,not to mation the guys from Aerosmith. If you think pot is god for you,ok fine and i understans cuse i am a musician 2(guitar player)but man its a lot better to work whith musicians that dont do drugs,especiali when you have to record 12 tracks on a day or 2 and the parts are difficult..... | |
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dseann said: JayJai said: It ain't the biggest lie...Imago use to say Prince wears wigs all the time. Anyway... I can name about 15 dudes that hang out down the street, including a few whom I've witnessed have withdrawals. Mind u, I said often, cause I can't claim to kno the effect of it on everyone that uses it, and ppl's body react to things differently at times too, but u said "absolutely no one", like u kno it's effect on everyone that uses it... so who's lyin now huh? Don't get worked up...this is jus the internet. Can U describe these withdrawals you mentioned? There is a difference between someone who loves to smoke weed and someone who needs to smoke weed. I have never met anyone who "needs" to smoke weed or even heard of one. I have smoked with people in many different countries on many different continents and never met one. Man i work whith a sound engenier that needs to smoke before he starts working,thats hes condition to do the work. | |
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mdd said: Mindflux said: Good for you. However, how do you explain that virtually all the best music out there was made by musicians on drugs? This was discussed recently on another thread - 97 of the top 100 albums of all time were made by avid drug-takers - its a fact. That's from a "best" music perspective. When you look at what people actually buy, the most popular music, its still around 85% of music bought is made by people who take drugs - you can't ignore clear figures like that. Any musician (and listener) reports a greater "empathy" with music, a more involved relationship with the music, an enhanced listening experience that, apparently, delves deeper than when just listening to music without influence. It certainly happens for me. So, how is it you can suggest that your not getting the "real intention" of music? How about the mass of music out there that is designed for listening whilst under the influence? I, myself, make music like that....music that will take you on a journey whatever your state of mind, but certainly moreso if the mind is more open. If it wasn't for you, that's fine - one man's meat is another man's poison. But you don't need to perpetuate this myth that people who like to imbibe a substance or two are somehow removed from cogent thinking and objective perception! Ok you got a point....but many of them the creators of the music died in the proces,and that you cant denie. Yes, I CAN deny that!! Look at the top 100 albums and see how many of those prolific drug-takers are still alive today - David Bowie, Keith Richards, Paul Macartney.....the list goes on. MOST "survived" and still make music today - there are just as many artists, if not more, that have died without taking drugs as those that have. Quit putting out MISINFORMATION - its a bigger danger than the drugs themselves! ...we have only scratched the surface of what the mind can do...
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mdd said: djThunderfunk said: NONE of them died from weed, and that YOU can't deny! Just a thing,smoking pot incrise the chance on 30 % of geting a sycotic episod for those who have the disposition of the problem and that a medical fact. Another thing;many of the creators of the music you claim to be maide by the influence of pot started on pot and moved to heavy stuff after the pot. Its a miracle Clapton stills alive,not to mation the guys from Aerosmith. If you think pot is god for you,ok fine and i understans cuse i am a musician 2(guitar player)but man its a lot better to work whith musicians that dont do drugs,especiali when you have to record 12 tracks on a day or 2 and the parts are difficult..... Anywhere I can hear your work? ...we have only scratched the surface of what the mind can do...
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JayJai said: dseann said: Can U describe these withdrawals you mentioned? There is a difference between someone who loves to smoke weed and someone who needs to smoke weed. I have never met anyone who "needs" to smoke weed or even heard of one. I have smoked with people in many different countries on many different continents and never met one. Withdrawal symptoms are similar to those of an alcoholic or anyone that's addicted to something. And yeah...there is a difference between someone who wants to and who needs to... and that difference is the addiction that person has to it. There are many chemicals in the plant itself that affect the brain and may lead to addiction... usage amount will determine addiction. Again, I will ask the question. Can you describe the withdrawal symptoms of marijuana for me? | |
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BobGeorge909 said: JayJai said: Withdrawal symptoms are similar to those of an alcoholic or anyone that's addicted to something. And yeah...there is a difference between someone who wants to and who needs to... and that difference is the addiction that person has to it. There are many chemicals in the plant itself that affect the brain and may lead to addiction... usage amount will determine addiction. well, the withdraw symptoms from nicotine are different fron the withdrawal effects of alcohol, which inturn, are different than the withdrawl effects of speed....and even ALL of those are different from the withdrawll effects of opiates. Weed IS NOT addictive. Believe me. I'm a recovering addict and have been educated about this MANY times. When I try to quit smoking cigarettes....I have MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH different symptoms than when I went off the vicodins. TYhe withdrawl symptoms of alcohol can kill U. Not the same for any other drug. NOTHING, i mean ABSOLUTELY nothing from weed can kill U from a direct effect. Cancer can possible kill 15-50 years down the line but that's a whole different monster. please educate yourself before U make blanket statements about addiction. [Edited 5/26/09 9:27am] I hear you, and instead of hearing them babble on about what they have no knowledge about, I'd like them to give me a definitive answer to my question. | |
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I just had to come back to this thread to share...
First, a recap, I've been smoking pot regularly (daily) for over 20 years now, if you added up all the days in that time I didn't smoke it would come to somewhere around 6 months total. I smoke on average an ounce a month. Usually the quality of the herb is really good, often great (KIND) as cheap low quality pot is a waste of time and my tolerance is pretty funkin' high. The last "break" I took from smoking was nearly 4 years ago and lasted for 1 week... So, I would easily be classified as a regular/habitual user, and therefore many posting on this thread would consider me "addicted". Well... Thursday I found out that I'll be taking a drug test this coming week (I was smoking a bowl when I got the call ) And before anyone jumps in with "see, you got in trouble because of weed" BS, no, I'm not busted. Everyone with a job knows that even non-users get tested all the time for a variety of reasons and it seems it's my turn. So, I get off the phone, finish my bowl, stash my stash and paraphanelia (out of site out of mind, right?) and prepare myself for a few days, maybe a week of no herb. Well, we're coming up on 72 hours now, and my question for those opining on withdrawal symptoms being as bad as those for alcoholics and other drugs is this: when will it start? No shakes, no sickness, no irrational behavior, no need to go to meetings for support from other recovering pot smokers, nothing. Nothing that is except for the slight insomnia I mentioned in a previous post. And I must say to that, anyone who suffers real insomnia would even laugh at this as in reality that only consists of 30-40 minutes of restlessness before sleep, not the inability to sleep. Oh yes, one other thing, my appetite is a bit suppressed. Not so that I'm not eating, just not eating as much... hardly the withdrawal symptoms of a drug addict or even of someone addicted to alcohol. So to those that keep comparing marijuana withdrawal with real withdrawal symptoms can simply shut the funk up. You obviously don't know what the hell you're talking about. I even hung out with a friend who was smoking right in front of me last night. He kept asking me if I was sure I didn't mind and if the temptation was getting to me. But it wasn't. I decided not to smoke till I take and get the results from the test so I'm not smoking, it's that simple. His usage did not at all make me "jones". Not only that, if I really was going through withdrawal symptoms, I could simply break out my stash and give in. I'm not, I won't, no problem... Not to say it doesn't suck not being able to smoke. It does. But it sucks only because I have to abstain instead of wanting to. I know people who have had to quit other drugs and/or alcohol and they would kill for the experience to have been this easy... They should have stuck with herb and it would have been!! Don't hate your neighbors. Hate the media that tells you to hate your neighbors. | |
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djThunderfunk said:
First, a recap, I've been smoking pot regularly (daily) for over 20 years now, if you added up all the days in that time I didn't smoke it would come to somewhere around 6 months total. I smoke on average an ounce a month. Usually the quality of the herb is really good, often great (KIND) as cheap low quality pot is a waste of time and my tolerance is pretty funkin' high. The last "break" I took from smoking was nearly 4 years ago and lasted for 1 week... So, I would easily be classified as a regular/habitual user, and therefore many posting on this thread would consider me "addicted".
Well... Thursday I found out that I'll be taking a drug test this coming week (I was smoking a bowl when I got the call ) And before anyone jumps in with "see, you got in trouble because of weed" BS, no, I'm not busted. Everyone with a job knows that even non-users get tested all the time for a variety of reasons and it seems it's my turn. So, I get off the phone, finish my bowl, stash my stash and paraphanelia (out of site out of mind, right?) and prepare myself for a few days, maybe a week of no herb. Well, we're coming up on 72 hours now, and my question for those opining on withdrawal symptoms being as bad as those for alcoholics and other drugs is this: when will it start? No shakes, no sickness, no irrational behavior, no need to go to meetings for support from other recovering pot smokers, nothing. Nothing that is except for the slight insomnia I mentioned in a previous post. And I must say to that, anyone who suffers real insomnia would even laugh at this as in reality that only consists of 30-40 minutes of restlessness before sleep, not the inability to sleep. Oh yes, one other thing, my appetite is a bit suppressed. Not so that I'm not eating, just not eating as much... hardly the withdrawal symptoms of a drug addict or even of someone addicted to alcohol. So to those that keep comparing marijuana withdrawal with real withdrawal symptoms can simply shut the funk up. You obviously don't know what the hell you're talking about. I even hung out with a friend who was smoking right in front of me last night. He kept asking me if I was sure I didn't mind and if the temptation was getting to me. But it wasn't. I decided not to smoke till I take and get the results from the test so I'm not smoking, it's that simple. His usage did not at all make me "jones". Not only that, if I really was going through withdrawal symptoms, I could simply break out my stash and give in. I'm not, I won't, no problem... Not to say it doesn't suck not being able to smoke. It does. But it sucks only because I have to abstain instead of wanting to. I know people who have had to quit other drugs and/or alcohol and they would kill for the experience to have been this easy... They should have stuck with herb and it would have been!! I feel for you, but just think of that first spliff after your self-imposed ban, Is there anybody else who has slightly mysterious bruises? | |
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HoneyB said: I feel for you, but just think of that first spliff after your self-imposed ban, Ooooh Yeah! Experience tells me it'll be Niiiice! [Edited 6/14/09 9:06am] Don't hate your neighbors. Hate the media that tells you to hate your neighbors. | |
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