JayJai said:

Pot brownies...

JayJai said:

Of course smoking anything can be damaging to the lungs, however, compared to cigarettes for example:
Most cannabis smokers inhale much less smoke than most cigarette smokers
cigarette smoke contains many dangerous chemicals not found in cannabis smoke
using a bong or vaporizer eliminates the tars from the smoke protecting the lungs

so, not completely harmless, but certainly far less harmful than legal smoke

dannyd5050 said:

also a good answer...

baklava, creme cookies, lemon bars...soup?

djThunderfunk said:

Legal or not, less or more smoke, more or less harmful,
I don't see why anyone would want to inhale smoke
but then again, I'm not walkin in your shoes so I won't judge u.
Do u think about 2nd hand smokin? Like how harmful it is for someone inhalin your exhaled smoke?

dont need no reffer.. dont need cocaine...purple music does the same to my brain..i get high!!!

"Don't need no reefer, don't need cocaine. Purple Music (chased with Exstasy) does the same to my brain...I'm high!!!" - Prince

I don't indulge, but to each their own.

JayJai said:

I don't smoke around anybody that's not doin' the same... so, no.

legna said:

Man,drugs aint gonna make you get the real intention of the music that you listen.I used to smoke pot and stoped about 6 years and my life is a lot better including my audicions to cds.

djThunderfunk said:

Sister, actually. But you can call me Brother. It's cool.

meow85 said:

Oops! I should have known, sorry!!

mdd said:

Good for you.

However, how do you explain that virtually all the best music out there was made by musicians on drugs? This was discussed recently on another thread - 97 of the top 100 albums of all time were made by avid drug-takers - its a fact. That's from a "best" music perspective. When you look at what people actually buy, the most popular music, its still around 85% of music bought is made by people who take drugs - you can't ignore clear figures like that.

Any musician (and listener) reports a greater "empathy" with music, a more involved relationship with the music, an enhanced listening experience that, apparently, delves deeper than when just listening to music without influence. It certainly happens for me. So, how is it you can suggest that your not getting the "real intention" of music? How about the mass of music out there that is designed for listening whilst under the influence? I, myself, make music like that....music that will take you on a journey whatever your state of mind, but certainly moreso if the mind is more open.

If it wasn't for you, that's fine - one man's meat is another man's poison. But you don't need to perpetuate this myth that people who like to imbibe a substance or two are somehow removed from cogent thinking and objective perception!

I like to trip on acid when listening to Rainbow Children. It actually makes his slowed-down voice speed up, so it sounds like normal Prince.

What do you consider drugs?
Because weed is 'frowned' upon does not mean that it is bad.
Compare to alcohol.
Compare to tobacco.
Just add tax and it is OK?

The weed thing is very strange.
No, I am not advocating weed. I am trying to put something in a different light.
I want to use these plants for other purposes. Verboten.
I don't want drugs, I want to use the plants for medicine, for industrial purposes. Verboten unless strictly put under rules.
Strange. Because `weed` is a simple plant that grows well and has *many* uses.

djThunderfunk said:

No harm done.

djThunderfunk said:

I wish others would be as considerate as u

djThunderfunk said:

so if u go 2 a concert u don't light up cause other's r there?

cause i've been 2 many concerts and idiots will light up, worse case was seeing george clintion in central park and i came out with a urge of the munchies do 2 others lighting up and passing around a joint.

djThunderfunk said:

It is a drug. There are no "processing" aspects to the semantic drules that in general make calling something a "drug" or a "narcotic substance" valid.

Sorry, but many individuals experience very unpleasant things when under the influence of cannabis products, which aren't by any means entirely harmless and can be closely connected with other narcotic substances (although these mostly concern the group of people who are not regular users). Starting with paranoia, momentary collapses of self-esteem, general feelings of nausea and various types of intestinal malfunctioning - and they may also produce some sensory hallucinations (not drastic, and should not extend to the visual field). Cannabis has most of the harmful effects of tobacco, although this seems to be a debated issue. For the long-term users it tends to effect the capacity to remember events that have taken place more recently ("short-term memory"). I find it annoying having to explain the same things many times to some of my friends who have been doing weed on a constant basis for years - and I can pretty much assure you that the combination of alcohol and weed on many individuals do leave their marks on these people's personalities over time. It's easy to observe, for potheads are not that different from alcoholics. They're more tolerable in general, but it all still leaves its mark.

Many times when I've been on weed the entire world has just smelled like piss to me (not a terribly sexy.thing by the way). Also there have been occasions when I've been just spending the night vomiting in the bathroom, or staring at my own mirror image in complete disgust etc. Due to the lowered state of defences I have also remembered unpleasant things from my childhood / youth that have been "repressed" (forgotten, disawoved), which usually serves a psychic function - even if I've personally found this an interesting form of self-exploration and a desirable side-effect on its own, other individuals might not agree. Of course such things on me are produced together with certain intestinal defects that I personally have and what some psychiatric discourses would file under "personality disorders" (forms of mental illness). Oh yeah, and inhaling from a bong is still a really vile experience to me even after all these years.

So, in conclusion: it all varies from individual to individual. But the negative side-effects are definitely more drastic than what you would ever get from alcohol.

For the undeniable positive effects, I do have to say that listening to the right record record with friends while being stoned is just simply a great feeling - and I have absolutely nothing against that. It's just honestly staated one of the best things in life I know, even if it sounds morally reproachable to some. I think the only Prince track I've ever listened to while being stoned would be "Positivity" though.

L4OATheOriginal said:

All right, if you want to go there, I'll admit it, when I go to a George Clinton And Parliament Funkadelic concert I light up. But, you know what, the band is lighting up and half or more of the crowd is lighting up. Me refraining won't prevent others, so yeah I smoke, too. But, I would think everybody would expect that by now, I've seen them 7 or 8 times and it's the norm at their shows. My advice, if you don't want to breathe second hand cannabis, don't go see George Clinton, cuz... "Something Stank And I Want Some"! Ya Dig?

However, at a Prince concert, nope, totally different vibe, so I don't smoke.

novabrkr said:

One thing at a time here:
First "Making a plant illegal is like saying God made a mistake," - Bill Hicks
Paranoia? Okay, maybe the first few times
Nausea? are you kidding? one of the medicinal uses I get from cannabis is relief of nausea. As a matter of fact, this is why it is useful to cancer patients undergoing chemotherapy, to cure the nausea!!
I don't know about your intestinal issues, but anecdoteally, it seems to be a very rare reaction, no?
Don't get me started on memory, I smoke often yet some around who never smoke can't remember shit. I'm constantly reminding them of things we've already discussed...what were talking about again? kidding...

Obviously in combination with alcohol, or other drugs, there are more problems, so I won't go there.
Where were you smoking weed that smelled like piss? maybe the weed was pissed on? I haven't experience that.
Weed has never made me vomit, as discussed in the nausea section, it's the opposite really, prevents it sometimes.
As far as staring in the mirror and personality disorders, that's a new one on me, never heard of that beyond your own anecdote, I wouldn't smoke if I were you.
It does (obviously) vary from user to user, however, to say that the effects are worse than alcohol is nothing but utter BULLSHIT!!! Do you know any alcoholics that hit rock bottom? I do. They have problems that would never stem from cannabis smoking. For one thing, alcohol can and does kill people every day. Cannabis has never killed one person in the entire history of mankind. It's a fact, look it up. That alone is enough to make your statement "the negative side-effects are definitely more drastic than what you would ever get from alcohol" completely asinine.

Sorry, I got nasty there, but the worse than alcohol statement is complete fiction and EVERYBODY that has both smoked herb and drank alcohol knows it.

On a "positive" note, Positivity is another great song to listen to while lighting up...

djThunderfunk said:

Common during the first times, yes. I've seen this on individuals who have started smoking ten years ago - they might not have been regular users themselve, but didn't start exactly yesterday either.

The fact of the matter remains that when people for whom cannabis has provided more positive experiences usually continue using it, those who've gone through worse experience won't continue using it to the same extent (or won't try again). These type of things help to create the impression that something is "harmless", especially as on the other hand it is a matter that cannot be researched in an academic / scientific setting without any bias due to the social stigma. So when approached from the other angle, the proponents of a debated issue are usually inclined to make over-the-top, sweeping statements about how "widely misunderstood" something is - pretty much same thing applies to pretty much any cultural phenomenon though. In the end, it's about sticking to the very same black & white -mindframe as the people who publicly campaign against drugs do.




No, I'm not kidding. Of course, a part of it has to do simply with inhaling smoke, especially when its combined with tobacco. In this regard, people who also smoke regular cigarettes will probably experience these things less frequently. Any form of intoxication can generate nausea, it's a natural reaction. You can get nausea even from playing 3d computer games, because they just don't work with the way certain people's conscious-perception systems function.




Bacteria infections found in people's intestinal systems are rather common. Same applies to other common conditions like diaphragmatic hernia, which seems to cause rather negative effects on people who do any form of drugs.




The effects on short-term memory is the one aspect of the negative side-effects of cannabis that aren't really disputed anywhere.




Haha.

No, I didn't mean that, Cannabis still alters the functioning of the sensory apparatus - allegedly also forming conceptual connections to sensations that aren't necessarily available, which roughly correspond to the mechanisms found in "hallucinations" in mild terms. If the brain simply makes the said connection even if it errs, it will establish the sensation's correspondence to rather automatically as well. I'm not the only one who has noted the similar phenomenon. Wouldn't call it unbearable, but it does sort of baffle you on the first couple of times.

The world often probably smells like piss and shit anyway, we're just more used to it in a normal state. Same thing with people who live in filthy households that are not even really even aware that their lodgings have a pugnant smell. Isn't this quite common in ghettos around the world anyway? Well, that's not part of my argument - it's an interesting thing though since cannabis has its effects on defences. Won't be matter of academic research anytime too soon, though.




Which is exactly why people who have had positive experiences with weed continue its use, whilst the ones whose experiences haven't been that positive usually shun away from its regular use.

I have vomited from weed after eating - that must be mentioned.




Uhm no. I am not referring to long-term effects solely here, but to the actual experience of being high.

I agree that drunken people tend to be aggressive and hard to handle and that the long term effects of alcohol on a wider are pretty sad, but if we've seriously never met any person who has complained about upsetting experiences when being on weed you must have a pretty closed circle of friends. Granted, people who have "just experienced with weed" a couple of times by having a joint are not going to complain about bad experiences. I say give them a bong first and let's see if they want to continue the habit.

Just because certain individuals may find the effects that drugs generate desirable, it does not mean that everyone should experience them the same way. Going through an altered state of consciousness is not something that every and each individual would come to enjoy like you do yourself.



I agree, but that's not to say that people who have been smoking a lot of pot for years wouldn't show any similar signs as alcoholics do. I see this already in people who are only about 25-30 years of age.

Placing such an importance on an acquisition of a chemical substance tends to make people sort of buffoons in the long run though. Same with alcohol too, of course.




If it's a fact, perhaps you can provide me with the exact source of information as it is quite hard to "look it up" myself without knowing what source to consult on the issue. Besides, the medical history of the mankind isn't really that well-documented unless we're speaking of the last 20-30 years in the industrialized countries.

I'd find it very surprising if there wouldn't have been at least one single person dying from any form of intoxication resulting from the use of a psychoactive substance. People have died of medication that's been considered harmless too, there are allergies. This of course doesn't mean that weed would be more dangerous than painkillers etc.



Dear, you do understand that a bad experience with any narcotic substance is still a bad experience to people going through it? Should these experiences not be pleasant to the person experiencing them they will definitely exceed anything you could possibly experience even when drinking heavily.



Uhm, no. That's just your personal take on it - it's widely spread because it's the most common one voiced by people who smoke pot. Views on it may vary, but it's a nice hyperbole nevertheless.

Yes, I personally far prefer weed over alcohol myself, but that doesn't make it a magical substance that doesn't any negative side-effects and that it would be all just "conjecture" or "cultural brainwashing".
[Edited 5/17/09 11:34am]

novabrkr said:

nice post. I am certainly not anti-weed. Unlike so many other substances, pot can actually do good things for a person. I feel indebted to it for helping me to see the world differently & be more content with myself . I can't imagine going jogging after 3 beers, but I jogged after bong rips regularly.

That said, something powerful enough to open your mind has to be capable of being used for negative purposes, too. There's a huge chance of negative side effects on a fragile mind. Like acid, but to a lesser degree, your experiences with pot largely depend on your mindset & your life's situation. If you're happy, you'll have a good experience. If you're not, pot or acid/shrooms will only intensify the feeling. Maybe not that one time you share a joint at a party, but smoke a few times every day and it's going to affect you--it adds up to more or less the equivalent of a single acid trip, and and maybe a bad one.

But I think one of the biggest effects pot has on the habitual user is that it makes them salesmen of it. They will act as if it's good for just about everything. I did, too, while deep down knowing that was not true. Meanwhile I haven't witnessed anyone actually do anything better while high except for appreciate the details of life. You can watch the grass grow & truly appreciate it, and explain why with valid points.

I kind of miss pot, but I have to acknowledge the negatives it ended up bringing (or at least amplifying). A huge part of that is me, definitely--most of it. I just smoked too much & pot amplifies the negatives with the positives. But that's the risk. I can drink a beer & it's totally harmless. But alcohol ruins some peoples' lives. Weed doesn't kill you from an overdose, certainly, but it was a danger to someone my personality type because I am introspective, lazy & forgetful to begin with (why is it assholes do coke & thoughtful people do weed? shouldn't we switch drugs?).

But also like alcohol, I have no problem with those who do smoke, even every day. It can be used safely & in moderation. More power to you. I wish I could still, too. It opened the door for me, but wasn't good long term. I am far better off now than I was at the end of my pot smoking days.

here in canada, it is prescribed, like any other pain med (ie: Tylenol #3) as cessamet, not only 4 cancer patients, who benefit from pain releif, but also helps them with their nausea during chemo, it is also prescribed 2 ppl, who have chronic pain syndrome. due, 2 an injury or whatever, it is also prescribed here by psychiatrists as well, 2 patients who need it.

i m not pro or con, can not point the finger at any1, without having 3 pointing right back at me, right?? lol!

b good!

I love a bit o' weed. I'm very sensitive to it.
And it can be very stimulating when composing music.

But the day after life is very dry and humourless. That's not too bad if haven't got anything to do. I f people are relying on you, it's better to leave it out.

novabrkr said:

One thing we do agree on is that like anything different people are affected in different ways. I don't think weed is a magical substance with no side effects. However, the vast majority of information out there is negative and false. So, yeah, I'll take the defensive position and start attacking the lies. Not so much that I have a black & white mindframe as I've taken a side and running with it...
Nausea, although there may be some for whom nausea is a symptom of smoking weed, clearly this is the vast minority. Cannabis has been used for treatment of nausea for hundreds if not thousands of years, and as stated still is in certain parts of the country.
The effects of short term memory are commonly known, indeed. This is why I tried to make a little joke here. Honestly though, I'd test my memory against those of my non-smoking friends and family any day. Maybe it's just me, maybe it's just them, but this has not been a problem of mine. Lucky me.
I'm not giving you an inch on alcohol. It's like a weapon of mass destruction while cannabis is like a bow and arrow. To claim that herb is as bad or worse than alcohol is ridiculous and commonly known not to be true, even with all the mis-information about marijuana in the mainstream. We don't even have to be anecdotal here, any statistics on the subject clearly show damage caused by alcohol on a large scale that overwhelms any real or imagined harm from weed.
As far as a source on marijuana never killing anyone, try this, find one person it did kill. If it's even close to being as dangerous as alcohol you should find vast resources of info on how deadly the weed is. Good luck.
My guess is you at least think the legality of marijuana is out of line with the "dangers" associated with it's use. Am I wrong on this?

Mindflux said:

Ok you got a point....but many of them the creators of the music died in the proces,and that you cant denie.

JayJai said:

That is the biggest LIE ever posted on the org.
Absolutely no one has ever been "addicted" to marijuana.
If I am wrong, please list "ONE" person.

mdd said:

NONE of them died from weed, and that YOU can't deny!

djThunderfunk said:

u're wrong! Bob Marley is died... all u smoke, u can have a cancer! sorry!

GetWildHornyPony said:

even if you do not smoke you can get cancer...

the experience of taking a few hits and listening to Princes music (as it seems he intended) is adding another layer while discovering more to his art