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Prince fans: Trouble with living in the now? It is a curious thing.
In 1996 I first joined the world of online Prince fandom. Back then, there was a consensus by a certain portion of fans that Prince had lost "it" after 1988. You'll still see this claim pop up around here now and again. It is now 2009. As time has moved on, less than appreciated albums like Batman, Come, Emancipation, and even Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic seem to be much more loved than they were 10 years ago. Hell, I even read one orger who held up New Power Soul as being "better" than Prince's latest release. Why is this? [Edited 4/24/09 7:47am] "New Power slide...." |
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I've personally disliked some of his stuff immediately and then after listening to it more I've really liked it! | |
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Maybe because people always expect to hear Controversy, Purple Rain or Sign O' The Times part 2 and then get disappointed when the new album... isn't that. Then when they actually give the new songs a chance and forget about being hung up on the Prince from the past they actually hear the music. | |
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VenusBlingBling said: Maybe because people always expect to hear Controversy, Purple Rain or Sign O' The Times part 2 and then get disappointed when the new album... isn't that. Then when they actually give the new songs a chance and forget about being hung up on the Prince from the past they actually hear the music.
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i suppose they r stupid 'cause why did he make Controversy, Purple Rain or Sign O' The Times part. 2? That would mean Prince does not create new music? does not innove music? does not evolute? rhââââ!!! there r funny people here who think Prince does make a new Controversy, Purple Rain or Sign O' The Times!!!  | |
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Graycap23 said: VenusBlingBling said: Maybe because people always expect to hear Controversy, Purple Rain or Sign O' The Times part 2 and then get disappointed when the new album... isn't that. Then when they actually give the new songs a chance and forget about being hung up on the Prince from the past they actually hear the music.
Bingo. Bingo to the 2nd power! That's why I don't compare Prince's current stuff to his past stuff. I will miss the beauty of what's in front of me now. On April 24, 2019, there will be people here talking about how great Lotusflow3r or MPLSound were when those same people were ripping it up on April 23, 2009, you watch. It happens all the time with Prince's CD's and it will continue for many years to come.  I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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I have no idea, but I know I'm personally enjoying the lotusflow3r album. It's full of emotion, and hinting lightly at social/political issues although not going in depth, but sometimes that's all you need is to say a few lines to get people thinking or bring awareness to specific issues. Not to mention he brought back some of that "Old school" vibe with some funk/rock/r&b/blues/jazz all intertwined within the lotusflow3r album. I'm also enjoying his musicianship in this album, pure ecstasy. The solo guitar lines definitely takes you on a journey you don't want to get off.
I'm enjoying the Prince of "now" and enjoyed the Prince of the "past" and all that he gave musically in that era. It's a new day and apparently he's changed with the times and that's a good thing, as it shows there's no limits to the risks he takes musically or his creativity, and that's why he's survived in the music industry for so long. [Edited 4/24/09 19:22pm] | |
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2elijah said: I have no idea, but I know I'm personally enjoying the lotusflow3r album. It's full of emotion, and hinting lightly at social/political issues although not going in depth, but sometimes that's all you need is to say a few lines to get people thinking or bring awareness to specific issues.
I'm also enjoying his musicianship in this album, pure ectasy. The solo guitar lines definitely take you on a journey you don't want to get off. I'm enjoying the Prince of "now" and enjoyed the Prince of the "past" and all that he gave musically in that era. It's a new day and apparently he's changed with the times. That's the way it should be, and that's the way it is. The whole thing can be stated: Prince back in the 80's was probably the best rock/pop artist of all-time, arguing MJ successes even. Between the 90's he became more pop/hip hop trying to 'fit it',losing most of his originality and identity which made him who he was. Now in the current time 2000's Prince has evolved into a Business preacher, Money hungry business man forgetting about his 'art', 'music' and visions of artistry. Personally, I think he is still cool and unique is alot smaller ways, he just isnt or what he could have been if he didnt change or forget about his true intentions. In similiar ways, MJ changed physically into something he regrets, I believe Prince has evolved into something he doesnt even understands. GMAN | |
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GMAN2000 said: 2elijah said: I have no idea, but I know I'm personally enjoying the lotusflow3r album. It's full of emotion, and hinting lightly at social/political issues although not going in depth, but sometimes that's all you need is to say a few lines to get people thinking or bring awareness to specific issues.
I'm also enjoying his musicianship in this album, pure ectasy. The solo guitar lines definitely take you on a journey you don't want to get off. I'm enjoying the Prince of "now" and enjoyed the Prince of the "past" and all that he gave musically in that era. It's a new day and apparently he's changed with the times. That's the way it should be, and that's the way it is. The whole thing can be stated: Prince back in the 80's was probably the best rock/pop artist of all-time, arguing MJ successes even. Between the 90's he became more pop/hip hop trying to 'fit it',losing most of his originality and identity which made him who he was. Now in the current time 2000's Prince has evolved into a Business preacher, Money hungry business man forgetting about his 'art', 'music' and visions of artistry. Personally, I think he is still cool and unique is alot smaller ways, he just isnt or what he could have been if he didnt change or forget about his true intentions. In similiar ways, MJ changed physically into something he regrets, I believe Prince has evolved into something he doesnt even understands. GMAN No disrespect, but how would you know whether or not Prince forgot about his "true intentions" unless you are actually walking in his shoes? In other words, you're not him to be able to know exactly what his "true intentions" were or are or what they could or should be. I believe only the actual individual would know what their true intentions are, in other words, you can't think for another.[Edited 4/24/09 8:31am] | |
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GMAN2000 said: 2elijah said: I have no idea, but I know I'm personally enjoying the lotusflow3r album. It's full of emotion, and hinting lightly at social/political issues although not going in depth, but sometimes that's all you need is to say a few lines to get people thinking or bring awareness to specific issues.
I'm also enjoying his musicianship in this album, pure ectasy. The solo guitar lines definitely take you on a journey you don't want to get off. I'm enjoying the Prince of "now" and enjoyed the Prince of the "past" and all that he gave musically in that era. It's a new day and apparently he's changed with the times. That's the way it should be, and that's the way it is. The whole thing can be stated: Prince back in the 80's was probably the best rock/pop artist of all-time, arguing MJ successes even. Between the 90's he became more pop/hip hop trying to 'fit it',losing most of his originality and identity which made him who he was. Now in the current time 2000's Prince has evolved into a Business preacher, Money hungry business man forgetting about his 'art', 'music' and visions of artistry. Personally, I think he is still cool and unique is alot smaller ways, he just isnt or what he could have been if he didnt change or forget about his true intentions. In similiar ways, MJ changed physically into something he regrets, I believe Prince has evolved into something he doesnt even understands. GMAN Wow. I don't think what you stated and the post that you quoted/included are even close to being about the same thing. "New Power slide...." |
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skywalker said: GMAN2000 said: The whole thing can be stated: Prince back in the 80's was probably the best rock/pop artist of all-time, arguing MJ successes even. Between the 90's he became more pop/hip hop trying to 'fit it',losing most of his originality and identity which made him who he was. Now in the current time 2000's Prince has evolved into a Business preacher, Money hungry business man forgetting about his 'art', 'music' and visions of artistry. Personally, I think he is still cool and unique is alot smaller ways, he just isnt or what he could have been if he didnt change or forget about his true intentions. In similiar ways, MJ changed physically into something he regrets, I believe Prince has evolved into something he doesnt even understands. GMAN Wow. I don't think what you stated and the post that you quoted/included are even close to being about the same thing. | |
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GMAN2000 said: 2elijah said: I have no idea, but I know I'm personally enjoying the lotusflow3r album. It's full of emotion, and hinting lightly at social/political issues although not going in depth, but sometimes that's all you need is to say a few lines to get people thinking or bring awareness to specific issues.
I'm also enjoying his musicianship in this album, pure ectasy. The solo guitar lines definitely take you on a journey you don't want to get off. I'm enjoying the Prince of "now" and enjoyed the Prince of the "past" and all that he gave musically in that era. It's a new day and apparently he's changed with the times. That's the way it should be, and that's the way it is. The whole thing can be stated: Prince back in the 80's was probably the best rock/pop artist of all-time, arguing MJ successes even. Between the 90's he became more pop/hip hop trying to 'fit it',losing most of his originality and identity which made him who he was. Now in the current time 2000's Prince has evolved into a Business preacher, Money hungry business man forgetting about his 'art', 'music' and visions of artistry. Personally, I think he is still cool and unique is alot smaller ways, he just isnt or what he could have been if he didnt change or forget about his true intentions. In similiar ways, MJ changed physically into something he regrets, I believe Prince has evolved into something he doesnt even understands. GMAN What we see here folks is a delusional mind. One of many prince fans that so identified with Prince that they held him up as a God or somehow got confused and thought they and prince thought with the same mind. None of us "know" prince. We are only spectators of his life and craft. Any twists and turns his work/life have taken are simply a part of his destiny. He has to figure it out as he goes just like the rest of us. | |
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skywalker said: It is a curious thing.
In 1996 I first joined the world of online Prince fandom. Back then, there was a consensus by a certain portion of fans that Prince had lost "it" after 1988. You'll still see this claim pop up around here now and again. It is now 2009. As time has moved on, less than appreciated albums like Batman, Come, Emancipation, and even Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic seem to be much more loved than they were 10 years ago. Hell, I even read one orger who held up New Power Soul as being "better" than Prince's latest release. Why is this? [Edited 4/24/09 7:47am] Once a album recedes to the past it can stand as a representative of a moment in time that will never return. It is released from xpectations and hype. its not judged by what's happening at its moment of release anymore (i.e. the current culture). It also becomes part of a timeline as we can now identify what came after as well as before. In essense it becomes purely its self. | |
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tricky99 said: GMAN2000 said: The whole thing can be stated: Prince back in the 80's was probably the best rock/pop artist of all-time, arguing MJ successes even. Between the 90's he became more pop/hip hop trying to 'fit it',losing most of his originality and identity which made him who he was. Now in the current time 2000's Prince has evolved into a Business preacher, Money hungry business man forgetting about his 'art', 'music' and visions of artistry. Personally, I think he is still cool and unique is alot smaller ways, he just isnt or what he could have been if he didnt change or forget about his true intentions. In similiar ways, MJ changed physically into something he regrets, I believe Prince has evolved into something he doesnt even understands. GMAN What we see here folks is a delusional mind. One of many prince fans that so identified with Prince that they held him up as a God or somehow got confused and thought they and prince thought with the same mind. None of us "know" prince. We are only spectators of his life and craft. Any twists and turns his work/life have taken are simply a part of his destiny. He has to figure it out as he goes just like the rest of us. You must be speaking of Gman's post, because had you read my response to him, (reply #9)you will see where I stated that no one can "possibly" know what another's "true intentions" are. That would be extremely impossible to actually think you know what someone's true intentions are unless you are that indiviudal, and to make such a statement like that, is like telling someone you know exactly what they're thinking and what their next move will be. Carry on!  [Edited 4/24/09 8:56am] | |
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GMAN2000 said: 2elijah said: I have no idea, but I know I'm personally enjoying the lotusflow3r album. It's full of emotion, and hinting lightly at social/political issues although not going in depth, but sometimes that's all you need is to say a few lines to get people thinking or bring awareness to specific issues.
I'm also enjoying his musicianship in this album, pure ectasy. The solo guitar lines definitely take you on a journey you don't want to get off. I'm enjoying the Prince of "now" and enjoyed the Prince of the "past" and all that he gave musically in that era. It's a new day and apparently he's changed with the times. That's the way it should be, and that's the way it is. The whole thing can be stated: Prince back in the 80's was probably the best rock/pop artist of all-time, arguing MJ successes even. Between the 90's he became more pop/hip hop trying to 'fit it',losing most of his originality and identity which made him who he was. Now in the current time 2000's Prince has evolved into a Business preacher, Money hungry business man forgetting about his 'art', 'music' and visions of artistry. Personally, I think he is still cool and unique is alot smaller ways, he just isnt or what he could have been if he didnt change or forget about his true intentions. In similiar ways, MJ changed physically into something he regrets, I believe Prince has evolved into something he doesnt even understands. GMAN Prince follows the musical fashion! Of the disco until the R&B!! | |
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2elijah said: I have no idea, but I know I'm personally enjoying the lotusflow3r album. It's full of emotion, and hinting lightly at social/political issues although not going in depth, but sometimes that's all you need is to say a few lines to get people thinking or bring awareness to specific issues. Not to mention he brought back some of that "Old school" vibe with some funk/rock/r&b/blues/jazz all intertwined within the lotusflow3r album. I'm also enjoying his musicianship in this album, pure ectasy. The solo guitar lines definitely takes you on a journey you don't want to get off.
I'm enjoying the Prince of "now" and enjoyed the Prince of the "past" and all that he gave musically in that era. It's a new day and apparently he's changed with the times and that's a good thing, as it shows there's no limits to the risks he takes musically or his creativity, and that's why he's survived in the music industry for so long. [Edited 4/24/09 8:41am] Right ON. ~G "He's a musician's musician..." |
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mypancakeplaces said: I've personally disliked some of his stuff immediately and then after listening to it more I've really liked it!
Co-sign this! I completely hated COME when it first came out, but I've come to quite like it! Just cause I was expecting a Diamonds & Pearls type album. I was young and a casual fan to Prince and didn't realize, then, he didn't like to repeat himself.  Now..well..hmm...I guess thats subjective  "The voter is less important than the man who provides money to the candidate," - Former Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens
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VenusBlingBling said: Maybe because people always expect to hear Controversy, Purple Rain or Sign O' The Times part 2 and then get disappointed when the new album... isn't that. Then when they actually give the new songs a chance and forget about being hung up on the Prince from the past they actually hear the music.
Ah, the old "people want Purple Rain 2" chestnut. Never get tired of hearing that.  • Did you first think Prince was gay? •
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Definitely - now is pretty dull and scary not to mention horrid everywhere - P is the only good thing lately. P never lets me down, runs out on me, never makes me feel lonely etc. Besides whats so wrong in not living in the here and now ? | |
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Prince follows the musical fashion! Of the disco until the R&B!!
I agree. I think that people make a big deal of Prince "jumping on trends" in the 90's, yet, notice the dramatic shifts in style between Prince and Dirty Mind. It is rightly celebrated shift, but it seems to me that Prince calculatingly incorporated New Wave punk into his sound from 1979 to 1980. Somehow, this is overlooked by fans. I've said it before, Prince is unique...he always takes trends and twists them into his own sound. Even his hip hop inspired tracks sound Purple and different. [Edited 4/24/09 9:56am] "New Power slide...." |
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skywalker said: It is a curious thing.
In 1996 I first joined the world of online Prince fandom. Back then, there was a consensus by a certain portion of fans that Prince had lost "it" after 1988. You'll still see this claim pop up around here now and again. It is now 2009. As time has moved on, less than appreciated albums like Batman, Come, Emancipation, and even Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic seem to be much more loved than they were 10 years ago. Hell, I even read one orger who held up New Power Soul as being "better" than Prince's latest release. Why is this? There have been in history artist that are just ahead of the game .....many did not make a penny ....but today we / the rich we / spend millions on art that at the time was considered rubbish..... The sad fact about Prince's work is that it will also be in group of works
[Edited 4/24/09 7:47am] Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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2elijah said: I have no idea, but I know I'm personally enjoying the lotusflow3r album. It's full of emotion, and hinting lightly at social/political issues although not going in depth, but sometimes that's all you need is to say a few lines to get people thinking or bring awareness to specific issues. Not to mention he brought back some of that "Old school" vibe with some funk/rock/r&b/blues/jazz all intertwined within the lotusflow3r album. I'm also enjoying his musicianship in this album, pure ectasy. The solo guitar lines definitely takes you on a journey you don't want to get off.
I'm enjoying the Prince of "now" and enjoyed the Prince of the "past" and all that he gave musically in that era. It's a new day and apparently he's changed with the times and that's a good thing, as it shows there's no limits to the risks he takes musically or his creativity, and that's why he's survived in the music industry for so long. [Edited 4/24/09 8:41am]   I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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Rogue588 said: VenusBlingBling said: Maybe because people always expect to hear Controversy, Purple Rain or Sign O' The Times part 2 and then get disappointed when the new album... isn't that. Then when they actually give the new songs a chance and forget about being hung up on the Prince from the past they actually hear the music.
Ah, the old "people want Purple Rain 2" chestnut. Never get tired of hearing that. One would think that if the now was all that hot there'd be more to do than kicking that old chestnut around, wouldn't there?   I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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skywalker said: Prince follows the musical fashion! Of the disco until the R&B!!
I agree. I think that people make a big deal of Prince "jumping on trends" in the 90's, yet, notice the dramatic shifts in style between Prince and Dirty Mind. It is rightly celebrated shift, but it seems to me that Prince calculatingly incorporated New Wave punk into his sound from 1979 to 1980. Somehow, this is overlooked by fans. [b]I've said it before, Prince is unique...he always takes trends and twists them into his own sound. Even his hip hop inspired tracks sound Purple and different.[/b] [Edited 4/24/09 9:56am] Couldn't have said it better myself. Seriously! Prince's music sounds nothing and I mean NOTHING like what’s on the radio or the trend of the time. Sure. There are flavors of different styles and even hints of the current trend but the end result is all PRINCE and ALL UNIQUE to his own. PLUS. People forget. Prince is a real musician with real instruments and synths. He plays, writes and produces his own gems. Geez! I tend to find that some people here on the org can be a little self centered and...well....COMPLAINERS! Love4OneAnother. ~J Dad. Cartoonist. Illustrator. TOPPS Star Wars and Walking Dead Illustrator. Film Illustrator. JEDI. PRINCE Fan. www.theartofprince.com
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2elijah said: I have no idea, but I know I'm personally enjoying the lotusflow3r album. It's full of emotion, and hinting lightly at social/political issues although not going in depth, but sometimes that's all you need is to say a few lines to get people thinking or bring awareness to specific issues. Not to mention he brought back some of that "Old school" vibe with some funk/rock/r&b/blues/jazz all intertwined within the lotusflow3r album. I'm also enjoying his musicianship in this album, pure ectasy. The solo guitar lines definitely takes you on a journey you don't want to get off.
I'm enjoying the Prince of "now" and enjoyed the Prince of the "past" and all that he gave musically in that era. It's a new day and apparently he's changed with the times and that's a good thing, as it shows there's no limits to the risks he takes musically or his creativity, and that's why he's survived in the music industry for so long. [Edited 4/24/09 8:41am] I so agree with this. | |
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VenusBlingBling said: Maybe because people always expect to hear Controversy, Purple Rain or Sign O' The Times part 2 and then get disappointed when the new album... isn't that. Then when they actually give the new songs a chance and forget about being hung up on the Prince from the past they actually hear the music.
and we have a winner man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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GMAN2000 said: 2elijah said: I have no idea, but I know I'm personally enjoying the lotusflow3r album. It's full of emotion, and hinting lightly at social/political issues although not going in depth, but sometimes that's all you need is to say a few lines to get people thinking or bring awareness to specific issues.
I'm also enjoying his musicianship in this album, pure ectasy. The solo guitar lines definitely take you on a journey you don't want to get off. I'm enjoying the Prince of "now" and enjoyed the Prince of the "past" and all that he gave musically in that era. It's a new day and apparently he's changed with the times. That's the way it should be, and that's the way it is. The whole thing can be stated: Prince back in the 80's was probably the best rock/pop artist of all-time, arguing MJ successes even. Between the 90's he became more pop/hip hop trying to 'fit it',losing most of his originality and identity which made him who he was. Now in the current time 2000's Prince has evolved into a Business preacher, Money hungry business man forgetting about his 'art', 'music' and visions of artistry. Personally, I think he is still cool and unique is alot smaller ways, he just isnt or what he could have been if he didnt change or forget about his true intentions. In similiar ways, MJ changed physically into something he regrets, I believe Prince has evolved into something he doesnt even understands. GMAN | |
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yeah, we all just need to move on and live in year 2009! | |
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wonder505 said: 2elijah said: I have no idea, but I know I'm personally enjoying the lotusflow3r album. It's full of emotion, and hinting lightly at social/political issues although not going in depth, but sometimes that's all you need is to say a few lines to get people thinking or bring awareness to specific issues. Not to mention he brought back some of that "Old school" vibe with some funk/rock/r&b/blues/jazz all intertwined within the lotusflow3r album. I'm also enjoying his musicianship in this album, pure ectasy. The solo guitar lines definitely takes you on a journey you don't want to get off.
I'm enjoying the Prince of "now" and enjoyed the Prince of the "past" and all that he gave musically in that era. It's a new day and apparently he's changed with the times and that's a good thing, as it shows there's no limits to the risks he takes musically or his creativity, and that's why he's survived in the music industry for so long. [Edited 4/24/09 8:41am] I so agree with this.  Thanks! | |
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skywalker said: Prince follows the musical fashion! Of the disco until the R&B!!
I agree. I think that people make a big deal of Prince "jumping on trends" in the 90's, yet, notice the dramatic shifts in style between Prince and Dirty Mind. It is rightly celebrated shift, but it seems to me that Prince calculatingly incorporated New Wave punk into his sound from 1979 to 1980. Somehow, this is overlooked by fans. I've said it before, Prince is unique...he always takes trends and twists them into his own sound. Even his hip hop inspired tracks sound Purple and different. [Edited 4/24/09 9:56am] 1st post: I run into a lot of Prince fans who are Star Wars fans (I'm probably a bigger S W fan) I agree, Prince has always incorporated the 'new sounds' into his music like you said NEW WAVE but he actually got into that sub culture himself back when it was just getting started. So when it was heard in his music it was 'fresh' When he start messing with Rap, it was already out there since the early 80's Run DMC Fat Boys UTFO etc Prince did his Prince thing with rap when you heard his poetry rap style in songs like Love or Money, Alphabet St and others.but the 90's saw a 'take over' of rap, I mean it seemed like every R&B or Pop singer had to have a rapper on their song. And it was probably stressful for Prince and a lot of singers to conform to what was 'popular music' I don't think the rap(gansta rap) vibe he tried, worked. I like what I've been seeing of him since Rainbow Children. And I'm definately loving LotusFlow3r cause I love him as a guitarist. And I love Minneapolis Sound because it's a return to a sound that he put on the map, it was his sound. Like so many others like Jimi, James, Stevie have their own sound | |
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