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Personally - I think you have to listen to a CD 3 times before you can review.
The first listen - you are always comparing it to the last release or a glory day album you hold dear and have built up in your mind. The second - you start to listen to the album honestly, and if you are a fan, you start trying to find songs you like - oooh I like this track, ok I see what he's doing here.... The third - you're expectations have either been met or shot, you start to listen to it without hype or disappointment ringing in your ears, and you start to uncover some gems. Now at this stage I think it's fair to say your opinion will be more honest than a single listen and less biased. Swa "I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love" | |
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Swa said: Personally - I think you have to listen to a CD 3 times before you can review.
The first listen - you are always comparing it to the last release or a glory day album you hold dear and have built up in your mind. The second - you start to listen to the album honestly, and if you are a fan, you start trying to find songs you like - oooh I like this track, ok I see what he's doing here.... The third - you're expectations have either been met or shot, you start to listen to it without hype or disappointment ringing in your ears, and you start to uncover some gems. Now at this stage I think it's fair to say your opinion will be more honest than a single listen and less biased. That is the thing with critics/reviewers... they take one listen and make their minds up... OK they may skip backwards a bit to re-assess something but they don't have it on repeat for a day or 2 like most people when they buy a new CD... We ain't from Hollywood, so you know it's all good | |
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rando310 said: Who knows?? Maybe when some of you people listen to the new album you'll feel the same way the reviewer does! How can you judge a review without first hearing the work that is reviewed?? That just shows you want the reviewers to kiss P's ass to make his ego even higher!
If you are going to get pissed off at an initial review you shouldn't take the chance and stay away from it..at least until you've heard the work and can judge for yourself... I agree!! We might even have the same opinion as the review. How are we to judge what he like and what he doesn't. At least he's already heard it and gave his honest review. At this moment in time WE haven't even heard the album. I've seen fan reviews that give this 3 cd set 5 stars before they've even heard the album! Please!! |
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Wall said: And the Bria disc, well, if anyone can actually stomach listening to that, they deserve an easy-listening medal.
Wonder how it will fare against Sade's work then. I'm not hopeful despite Prince's bragging. | |
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jgreco7 said: This dope should go back to reading comic books and listening to MJ
 
What's wrong w/ reading comic books and listening to MJ? "Plaid shorts are completely over." | |
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robertes71 said: jgreco7 said: This dope should go back to reading comic books and listening to MJ
What's wrong w/ reading comic books and listening to MJ? Hmm, sounds like some of his 'guests'... | |
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rando310 said:
Who knows?? Maybe when some of you people listen to the new album you'll feel the same way the reviewer does! How can you judge a review without first hearing the work that is reviewed?? That just shows you want the reviewers to kiss P's ass to make his ego even higher! If you are going to get pissed off at an initial review you shouldn't take the chance and stay away from it..at least until you've heard the work and can judge for yourself... I agree!! We might even have the same opinion as the review. How are we to judge what he like and what he doesn't. At least he's already heard it and gave his honest review. At this moment in time WE haven't even heard the album. I've seen fan reviews that give this 3 cd set 5 stars before they've even heard the album! Please!! Very good points.. Okay, it is just one, sketchy review, but I bet the big majority here hasnt heard the entire cd-set yet, so who are you to 'slag' that journalist on not really liking it? Or maybe hinting at an cd-set that actually turns out to be not that great? Somehow i have the idea that a lot of people here are so focussed on 'wanting to like' this new-cd-set-they-havent-heard-yet, that their reactions get a bit misguided. On a personal level: i have heard TOO many songs of these three new albums allready that didnt convince me, that i am quite certain that this 3-CD set wont deliver a set, let alone 3 seperate albums, i would consider even. Far from that. When it comes to Elixer: Well, i think enough has been said about it: another useless 'attempt' to create attention for a very mediocre protegee, without any artistic talents of her own. When it comes to lotusflower: Crimson and Glover is a near decent cover-version, saved by Princes outstanding guitar-work. 4Ever is a nice song, not that bad, but ultimately forgettable compared to what he is capable off. Colonized mind is far overrated IMO: nice production and instrumentation, but the melody lines drag along too much and the lyrics are rather silly. The Wall of Berlin is just plain bad: a corny, throwaway song that wouldnt even make it to a b-side in the eighties. I don't think the rest of the songs on the album (altough I haven't heard them yet) are 'able' to lift Lotusflower 'up' to a great, even album. About MPLsound: Another one like me and Chocolate Box are a total disgrace IMO. Plastic sounding dance / funk-tracks on 'autopilot', lacking both vision and spirit. They remind me of the songs on The Chocolate Invasion and The Slaughterhouse albums, and they are probably even worse in the end. IMO this means MLPsound will have two 'duds' on it allready, and if they are indicative for the rest of the album, then well..... 
Some elements of these songs might superficially remind listeners or music critics about the 'controversy' album or his signature sound, but what i am missing in the first place is the kind of urgency and the innovation those 'original tracks' offered. I might appear very harsh and over-critical when it comes to my expectations about this new CD-set, but i really think a lot of people (including myself) will be let down by it ultimately. I think it safe to say we can expect a cd-set that will be very, very uneven, quality-wise, that will lead to an almost general 'slashing' of Bria's CD indeed, and that will lead to people here discuss the personal, individual 'highlights' of these CD-s over and over. I am positive enough to say (hope?) there will be a handfull of good to great tracks spread out over Lotusflower and MPLSound, but i really think these 2 albums will be as hit-and-miss in general, as Planet Earth, The Rainbow Children, Emancipation and Diamonds and Pearls. | |
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Riverpoet31 said: rando310 said:
Who knows?? Maybe when some of you people listen to the new album you'll feel the same way the reviewer does! How can you judge a review without first hearing the work that is reviewed?? That just shows you want the reviewers to kiss P's ass to make his ego even higher! If you are going to get pissed off at an initial review you shouldn't take the chance and stay away from it..at least until you've heard the work and can judge for yourself... I agree!! We might even have the same opinion as the review. How are we to judge what he like and what he doesn't. At least he's already heard it and gave his honest review. At this moment in time WE haven't even heard the album. I've seen fan reviews that give this 3 cd set 5 stars before they've even heard the album! Please!! Very good points.. Okay, it is just one, sketchy review, but I bet the big majority here hasnt heard the entire cd-set yet, so who are you to 'slag' that journalist on not really liking it? Or maybe hinting at an cd-set that actually turns out to be not that great? Somehow i have the idea that a lot of people here are so focussed on 'wanting to like' this new-cd-set-they-havent-heard-yet, that their reactions get a bit misguided. On a personal level: i have heard TOO many songs of these three new albums allready that didnt convince me, that i am quite certain that this 3-CD set wont deliver a set, let alone 3 seperate albums, i would consider even. Far from that. When it comes to Elixer: Well, i think enough has been said about it: another useless 'attempt' to create attention for a very mediocre protegee, without any artistic talents of her own. When it comes to lotusflower: Crimson and Glover is a near decent cover-version, saved by Princes outstanding guitar-work. 4Ever is a nice song, not that bad, but ultimately forgettable compared to what he is capable off. Colonized mind is far overrated IMO: nice production and instrumentation, but the melody lines drag along too much and the lyrics are rather silly. The Wall of Berlin is just plain bad: a corny, throwaway song that wouldnt even make it to a b-side in the eighties. I don't think the rest of the songs on the album (altough I haven't heard them yet) are 'able' to lift Lotusflower 'up' to a great, even album. About MPLsound: Another one like me and Chocolate Box are a total disgrace IMO. Plastic sounding dance / funk-tracks on 'autopilot', lacking both vision and spirit. They remind me of the songs on The Chocolate Invasion and The Slaughterhouse albums, and they are probably even worse in the end. IMO this means MLPsound will have two 'duds' on it allready, and if they are indicative for the rest of the album, then well.....
Some elements of these songs might superficially remind listeners or music critics about the 'controversy' album or his signature sound, but what i am missing in the first place is the kind of urgency and the innovation those 'original tracks' offered. I might appear very harsh and over-critical when it comes to my expectations about this new CD-set, but i really think a lot of people (including myself) will be let down by it ultimately. I think it safe to say we can expect a cd-set that will be very, very uneven, quality-wise, that will lead to an almost general 'slashing' of Bria's CD indeed, and that will lead to people here discuss the personal, individual 'highlights' of these CD-s over and over. I am positive enough to say (hope?) there will be a handfull of good to great tracks spread out over Lotusflower and MPLSound, but i really think these 2 albums will be as hit-and-miss in general, as Planet Earth, The Rainbow Children, Emancipation and Diamonds and Pearls. See opinions are like assholes, everyone has got one. LF: Crimson & Clover: I just love it. Colonized Mind: A Prince classic. Great track. Amazing guitar work. Wall of berlin: Best track of the 4 previewed. Great composition. Amazing guitar breaks. Killer long solo at the end. 4ever: Ok tune in the first place. Heard with a great sound quality today and I enjoyed it a hell a lot better this time. So many good tracks already. Very promising indeed.  [Edited 3/23/09 10:18am] | |
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harveya said: Swa said: Personally - I think you have to listen to a CD 3 times before you can review.
The first listen - you are always comparing it to the last release or a glory day album you hold dear and have built up in your mind. The second - you start to listen to the album honestly, and if you are a fan, you start trying to find songs you like - oooh I like this track, ok I see what he's doing here.... The third - you're expectations have either been met or shot, you start to listen to it without hype or disappointment ringing in your ears, and you start to uncover some gems. Now at this stage I think it's fair to say your opinion will be more honest than a single listen and less biased. That is the thing with critics/reviewers... they take one listen and make their minds up... OK they may skip backwards a bit to re-assess something but they don't have it on repeat for a day or 2 like most people when they buy a new CD... Know that for a fact, do you? I have many friends who are journalists (and used to freelance myself), and I can assure you most critics actually take as much to absorb an album as much as deadlines allow. The issue with the eviews from this listening party is that it was just that: A party where people were played each disc once, in a bar where alcohol and conversation were flowing freely. It's an unfortunate circumstances of the leak culture that has developed over the last few years that this is how some releases are played for the press. | |
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Riverpoet31 said: rando310 said:
Who knows?? Maybe when some of you people listen to the new album you'll feel the same way the reviewer does! How can you judge a review without first hearing the work that is reviewed?? That just shows you want the reviewers to kiss P's ass to make his ego even higher! If you are going to get pissed off at an initial review you shouldn't take the chance and stay away from it..at least until you've heard the work and can judge for yourself... I agree!! We might even have the same opinion as the review. How are we to judge what he like and what he doesn't. At least he's already heard it and gave his honest review. At this moment in time WE haven't even heard the album. I've seen fan reviews that give this 3 cd set 5 stars before they've even heard the album! Please!! Very good points.. Okay, it is just one, sketchy review, but I bet the big majority here hasnt heard the entire cd-set yet, so who are you to 'slag' that journalist on not really liking it? Or maybe hinting at an cd-set that actually turns out to be not that great? Somehow i have the idea that a lot of people here are so focussed on 'wanting to like' this new-cd-set-they-havent-heard-yet, that their reactions get a bit misguided. On a personal level: i have heard TOO many songs of these three new albums allready that didnt convince me, that i am quite certain that this 3-CD set wont deliver a set, let alone 3 seperate albums, i would consider even. Far from that. When it comes to Elixer: Well, i think enough has been said about it: another useless 'attempt' to create attention for a very mediocre protegee, without any artistic talents of her own. When it comes to lotusflower: Crimson and Glover is a near decent cover-version, saved by Princes outstanding guitar-work. 4Ever is a nice song, not that bad, but ultimately forgettable compared to what he is capable off. Colonized mind is far overrated IMO: nice production and instrumentation, but the melody lines drag along too much and the lyrics are rather silly. The Wall of Berlin is just plain bad: a corny, throwaway song that wouldnt even make it to a b-side in the eighties. I don't think the rest of the songs on the album (altough I haven't heard them yet) are 'able' to lift Lotusflower 'up' to a great, even album. About MPLsound: Another one like me and Chocolate Box are a total disgrace IMO. Plastic sounding dance / funk-tracks on 'autopilot', lacking both vision and spirit. They remind me of the songs on The Chocolate Invasion and The Slaughterhouse albums, and they are probably even worse in the end. IMO this means MLPsound will have two 'duds' on it allready, and if they are indicative for the rest of the album, then well.....
Some elements of these songs might superficially remind listeners or music critics about the 'controversy' album or his signature sound, but what i am missing in the first place is the kind of urgency and the innovation those 'original tracks' offered. I might appear very harsh and over-critical when it comes to my expectations about this new CD-set, but i really think a lot of people (including myself) will be let down by it ultimately. I think it safe to say we can expect a cd-set that will be very, very uneven, quality-wise, that will lead to an almost general 'slashing' of Bria's CD indeed, and that will lead to people here discuss the personal, individual 'highlights' of these CD-s over and over. I am positive enough to say (hope?) there will be a handfull of good to great tracks spread out over Lotusflower and MPLSound, but i really think these 2 albums will be as hit-and-miss in general, as Planet Earth, The Rainbow Children, Emancipation and Diamonds and Pearls. Very good thoughts! I am glad the price for the 3 cd set is only $12..it could have been $40 or so like Crystal Ball or some of the other multiple cd sets when they originially came out..I'm sure there are some cool songs but there are bound to be just crap filler that may or may not grow on you..P should weed his releases a little more dilligently I think... | |
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rando310 said: Riverpoet31 said: Very good points.. Okay, it is just one, sketchy review, but I bet the big majority here hasnt heard the entire cd-set yet, so who are you to 'slag' that journalist on not really liking it? Or maybe hinting at an cd-set that actually turns out to be not that great? Somehow i have the idea that a lot of people here are so focussed on 'wanting to like' this new-cd-set-they-havent-heard-yet, that their reactions get a bit misguided. On a personal level: i have heard TOO many songs of these three new albums allready that didnt convince me, that i am quite certain that this 3-CD set wont deliver a set, let alone 3 seperate albums, i would consider even. Far from that. When it comes to Elixer: Well, i think enough has been said about it: another useless 'attempt' to create attention for a very mediocre protegee, without any artistic talents of her own. When it comes to lotusflower: Crimson and Glover is a near decent cover-version, saved by Princes outstanding guitar-work. 4Ever is a nice song, not that bad, but ultimately forgettable compared to what he is capable off. Colonized mind is far overrated IMO: nice production and instrumentation, but the melody lines drag along too much and the lyrics are rather silly. The Wall of Berlin is just plain bad: a corny, throwaway song that wouldnt even make it to a b-side in the eighties. I don't think the rest of the songs on the album (altough I haven't heard them yet) are 'able' to lift Lotusflower 'up' to a great, even album. About MPLsound: Another one like me and Chocolate Box are a total disgrace IMO. Plastic sounding dance / funk-tracks on 'autopilot', lacking both vision and spirit. They remind me of the songs on The Chocolate Invasion and The Slaughterhouse albums, and they are probably even worse in the end. IMO this means MLPsound will have two 'duds' on it allready, and if they are indicative for the rest of the album, then well.....
Some elements of these songs might superficially remind listeners or music critics about the 'controversy' album or his signature sound, but what i am missing in the first place is the kind of urgency and the innovation those 'original tracks' offered. I might appear very harsh and over-critical when it comes to my expectations about this new CD-set, but i really think a lot of people (including myself) will be let down by it ultimately. I think it safe to say we can expect a cd-set that will be very, very uneven, quality-wise, that will lead to an almost general 'slashing' of Bria's CD indeed, and that will lead to people here discuss the personal, individual 'highlights' of these CD-s over and over. I am positive enough to say (hope?) there will be a handfull of good to great tracks spread out over Lotusflower and MPLSound, but i really think these 2 albums will be as hit-and-miss in general, as Planet Earth, The Rainbow Children, Emancipation and Diamonds and Pearls. Very good thoughts! I am glad the price for the 3 cd set is only $12..it could have been $40 or so like Crystal Ball or some of the other multiple cd sets when they originially came out..I'm sure there are some cool songs but there are bound to be just crap filler that may or may not grow on you..P should weed his releases a little more dilligently I think... One more troll who has NOT listened to the 3 Cds yet but who knows already how crap the project is going to be. One more great thinker who would love to advise Prince on his career as he has himself succeeded big time in his business compared to Prince in his. | |
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Riverpoet31 said: You got it
Someone who can't hear the genius in TRC is an asshole indeed. | |
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prince's 3 cd (or more) sets are always wildly uneven
emancipation, crystal ball, that p/chaka/larry thing... Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton | |
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Can someone please enlighten me why it is important how critics view or have viewed Prince's musical output? I remember a very mixed review of "The Gold Experience" in Germany, while I remember a very positive one of "Newpower Soul". Oh, and by the way, "Emancipation" made it into the Top 50 albums of 1996 list in NME/Sounds in Germany, and the famous German newspaper DIE ZEIT wrote an enthusiactic review of TRC.
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I always find it amusing how when a person's opinion on something is different than another's out comes the old "asshole" cliche! Well, how about this for an asshole then: New Prince albums ARE uneven, ARE cliched, ARE weak. I know its an opinion, but one that I hold dearly because I AM a Prince fan, have been since I could say "play Prince Daddy" (1981) and I will be a Prince fan until the day I die. That being said I still think his new music for the most part sucks, I think his live shows, which for a long time were his saving grace in my eyes have become stale and uninspired. Will I buy Lotusflow3r? Maybe. Will I torrent it? Definitely. Will I like it? If judging by by the songs I've already heard, probably not, at least not enough to significantly say the albums are great. And that is my review BEFORE listening to it 3 times or for a lifetime. Now back to watching Neverender![Edited 3/23/09 16:53pm] | |
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Putmarroussia said: rando310 said: Very good thoughts! I am glad the price for the 3 cd set is only $12..it could have been $40 or so like Crystal Ball or some of the other multiple cd sets when they originially came out..I'm sure there are some cool songs but there are bound to be just crap filler that may or may not grow on you..P should weed his releases a little more dilligently I think... One more troll who has NOT listened to the 3 Cds yet but who knows already how crap the project is going to be. One more great thinker who would love to advise Prince on his career as he has himself succeeded big time in his business compared to Prince in his. WHY does he/she have to be a troll? And EVERYONE needs advice, including the almighty Prince (Whose business "sense" sucks. Did ONE artist signed to Paisley Park even go gold? ) | |
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Wow, anything that sounds like The Rainbow Children is fine by me. Also, I kinda like Prince' wildly uneven albums. Can I get this 3 cd-set in Holland or do I have to download it from lotusflow3r.com? I would like to get the albums with artwork and all cause I love the front cover!
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Putmarroussia said: Riverpoet31 said: You got it
Someone who can't hear the genius in TRC is an asshole indeed. Asshole checking in. The Rainbow Children need to be shot and pushed off that Watchtower. Do U Lie? | |
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harveya said: That is the thing with critics/reviewers... they take one listen and make their minds up... OK they may skip backwards a bit to re-assess something but they don't have it on repeat for a day or 2 like most people when they buy a new CD... Not necessarily so. Have you ever done CD reviews? I have. Not at all as you describe it. | |
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ThreadBare said: harveya said: That is the thing with critics/reviewers... they take one listen and make their minds up... OK they may skip backwards a bit to re-assess something but they don't have it on repeat for a day or 2 like most people when they buy a new CD... Not necessarily so. Have you ever done CD reviews? I have. Not at all as you describe it. Yeah right. I know two famous reviewers, one being english and the other one being french. I just can't believe how unprofessional they are sometimes. The french bloke told me one day before writing a review of Tunnel of Love by Bruce Springsteen "I dislike Springsteen's music so much I'm alrealy inspired before listening to his music". Regarding the infamous english reviewer, he turned up only for the last three tunes (it was the encore) of a David Bowie gig in London. We shook hands. I asked him if he was going to review this gig. And he told me "he had seen David Bowie live so many times, he knew what to say already". And he then asked me to write him down a rough tracklist. I was kinda shocked. | |
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Putmarroussia said: ThreadBare said: Not necessarily so. Have you ever done CD reviews? I have. Not at all as you describe it. Yeah right. I know two famous reviewers, one being english and the other one being french. I just can't believe how unprofessional they are sometimes. The french bloke told me one day before writing a review of Tunnel of Love by Bruce Springsteen "I dislike Springsteen's music so much I'm alrealy inspired before listening to his music". Regarding the infamous english reviewer, he turned up only for the last three tunes (it was the encore) of a David Bowie gig in London. We shook hands. I asked him if he was going to review this gig. And he told me "he had seen David Bowie live so many times, he knew what to say already". And he then asked me to write him down a rough tracklist. I was kinda shocked. Then you have someone like J.D. Considine or Nekesa Moody Mumby, who have built successful careers on professional music journalism -- totally different level of professionalism. I just wouldn't besmirch an entire industry based on your two reviewers. But, oh well. | |
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