Is there such a thing as a sane Prince fan?
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Colonized Mind sounds like Dire Straits.

Which is not a good sign.

pald1 said:

i honestly don't think so

purplepolitician said:

At least were not MJ fans, that would be torture

hollywooddove said:

I wonder what Louis would have thought of the theory of Evolution.

pald1 said:

lol... still attacking. You're a funny little person.

vinx98 said:

Good question.

Pasteur questioned the theory of evolution, because Darwin did not base his ideas on experimental proof. Louis said, “Do not put forward anything that you cannot prove by experimentation.” Louis Pasteur used the experimental method which was:

1.) state the question
2.) think of a test for the question
3.) observe what happens
4.) make conclusions

Much of what evolution rest upon is not testable. Perhaps someday it will be, but right now it's not.

And before I become attacked let me state.... most of the Bible is not testable either. That is why it is called a faith. Notice that the two have some similarity, they both have a certain amount of faith required.

But of course there are much smarter people than I am arguing these things everyday. I try not to worry about it too much.

neurosurgeon Michael Egnor ::

"Evolutionary stories are ad-hoc and generally untestable guesses, and offer no meaningful framework for science. The proximate explanations (anatomy, physiology, biochemistry, molecular biology, genetics, microbiology, etc.) are the framework for science.

Strategies for disease treatment and prevention depend on data from the relevant medical sciences, not on speculative stories about origins.

Darwinian medicine is scientifically vacuous, and the Darwinian theory of human origins is the antithesis of human exceptionalism and human dignity."
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hollywooddove said:

So? Because the truth that we're unexceptional and not deserving of any divine dignity hurts, lets ignore the facts?

Quoting the religiously afflicted who just happened to work in scientific fields unrelated to evolution means very little indeed.

We know that the evolutionary process exists. The perspective is how it exists varies from the molecular level of an embryo 2 the spiritual level of shape-shifting. Nevertheless with proof or without it, if there is a design, there is a designer.

Dsoul said:

Just because you disagree does not strip anything of meaning.
But anywho.... this all began when I made a joke about three pages back, and now people are angry because I am a person of faith.

Once again... I don't care if any one here does not believe. I don't even know you people. Why is everyone so upset? Can't I just have faith and we all leave it at that?

I once was athiest, and adhered to all of the evolutionary theory, and I studied it intently. There is not a whole lot you can tell me about it. We delved into it deeply in organic chemistry.... yes I have a math science degree.

My life works better with faith than it did without. That is why I believe. It is my first hand experience. Now can't we all just be friends and talk about the song... you know... get back on track.

hollywooddove said:

hey I have nothing against you, and I dont mind that you have faith in something. I guess what gets up peoples nerves is that you even mention it at all. its like saying I like princes music, but hey Im also gay and anti-abortionist. really we are here to celegrate prince and his music, religious beleifs should be private and not discussed because people who are not religious dont want to know.

This is a very good song. The political ruminations are a lot more sophisticated than those on Resolution, so that's the first good sign. The song has a subtle sadness to it, especially with the nice build up of tension with the guitar. It's probably my fave of the new stuff. It isn't amazing, but it's good.
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THIS SONG IS AWFUL WHAT ARE YOU GUYS TALKING ABOUT

PurpleKnight said:

I agree.

shanti0608 said:

its probably one of princes best songs in ages, but its just OK

2elijah said:

Hello 2elijah!

I agree with what you said wholeheartedly. I see so much of this manifest itself in the students that I teach. It is sad. In this time of "liberated" behavior, it is accepted that we cast tradition off into the realm of the antiquated. However, some traditions became tradition for a reason. We have ignored, dismissed and/or downplayed the need for the love of both parents too much in our society. Now, we see the effect of the lack of proper parental love on display in so many facets of life. It's great that Prince is giving us food for thought and discussion. So much of today's music is so banal and superficial. There is nothing thought or discussion provoking about it.

I also like what he said about the record contracts. People think that because Prince is wealthy that he has no right to complain. However, theft is theft whether you leave the victim with $1 or $100 million. If you enrich yourself by stealing from another it is still wrong. I saw "Cadillac Records" a couple of weeks ago and was thinking that not much has really changed in the music business. Despite all the bling and flossing that these artist do today, the unfortunate reality is that many of them are going to end up the same way so many black artists from the past. So, this verse of "Colonized Mind" also resonated with me:

Upload

A joint venture record deal
It's just another way 4 the man 2 steal
While he's sticking u with the bill

Download

A temporary acquisition of fleeting fame and fortune
Nothing 2 leave in ur will
Hey, hey, hey, hey!
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bellanoche said:

Hi how are you... , I agree with most of what you said. It seems moral and values have lost its way in society. as you see and hear the attitudes of much of our youth today. Many are exposed to so much negativity and they act it out in public. We also know that not all parents can be home with their kids all day or leave them with adults they feel are responsible who supposedly follows through with teaching them morals and values their parents try to instill in them, if any at all. Then you have the problem of irresponsible parents or parents on drugs, abusive parents, parents abandoning their children, etc.

Today, with the economic situation in America’s bleek economy, which didn't just start last year or two years ago, but varied in state to state over a period of time until recently, the entire U.S. is feeling the economic crunch. Many single parents are out working more than one job, and often times, there are no other adults around to monitor the kids/teens when parent(s) are at work, once the kids come home from school, and these days, kids who display lack of morals/values/self-respect and respect towards adults/authority figures, come from single and two-parent homes. It basically depends on how much discipline and morals/values parents or guardians instill in their children, that will be the end result on what type of behavior they display in public.

On the topic of music, I remember when music had a message, making one aware of societal/political/humanitarian ills/issues. I remember Joan Baez, Bob Dylan, The Beatles, Richie Havens, Marvin Gaye, Gil-Scot Heron, Jose Feliciano, even some of the Temptations' songs, Curtis Mayfield for sure, just to name a few. I remember many of the songs back in the day when people actually payed attention to the words of a song. "Colonized Mind" has short verses, with political/social/scientific/religious references, yet thought provoking. Many enjoy the music behind the lyrics as well as its meaning, while others try to interpret the lyrics by questioning its meaning, and either understand or are bothered/angered by the lyrics. Either way, the lyrics apparently touched nerves enough to have people talking/thinking about it and questioning its meaning.
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I saw Cadillac records as well, and it was a shame how many black artists had their music stolen, and were swindled out of contracts/money by greedy and racist record execs. According to history and the movie, some of the music by black artists back then, was referred to as "race" music. I agree that it seems what happened back then in the music business ,is still happening today but on a much wider scale, especially with the technology we have today, where it is just not the music execs/record companies swindling artists out of contracts/money, it's also fans of these artists, having the accessibility to download music for free, without the artists receiving a dime for their hard work and creativity.. Such is the life of the music industry today. Guess we will have to see where it goes from here.
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I like it, it sounds like a hybrid of princes cover of all along the watchtower and dear mr. man
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...animales in dreams...

...animales were the 1st companions of man on earth...he learned almost immediately that he could use some as food..or help his daily work..be he also discovered that he had to fear many others..ready to take his life...therefore according to their meekness or their ferocity...popular belief considered animals as a bad or good omen...the ancient romans used to foretell the outcome of certain events by watching the flight of birds....

...mzsexybaby

I absolutely love it! I like all the new songs but there's something mysterious about the sound and his vocals of this song that I love. Sophisticated lyrics 2.

I'm content to just read others analogies of this song, thanks.

...the more UNKNOWN and imaginary r the places....the more the dreams show the will 2 take shelter in a world of fantasy...refusing 2 accept his or hers responsibilities....always keep in mind that the same symbol can assume a different meaning according 2 the way it shows itself....

..4 example...

...2 see a garden well kept and on a sunny day is much better omen than 2 see the same garden abandon and during a storm....

..mzsexybaby

Its Curtis meets Jimi, is what it is. And I'm loving it!

colm said:

Hear! Hear! Good call - great track!

i think this is the best of the 4 new songs and i think it is one of the best prince song in a long time and i am a big fan of the last 3 albums, i hope i can go out and buy this album soon

Let's all have a go at the little fucker.....well no let's say thanks for a great song and i mean great.
Read the lyrics it kind of explains it's self go on I dare you. 2 is good 4 or 6 would be better, hello today you can blue or light blue hey it's still fucking blue.
Somebody is making money from all of are brains and hard work SO STOP PICKING ON RECORD COMPANIES MR. PRINCE you nasty man spreading lies about the men in suits living on your talent, just because they can screw you because they can use a calculator. SORRY he was right then as he is now.

Sorry i forgot to say he's not picking on Obama because some of you say he hasn't wrote anything in years IT'S ALL FROM THE VAULT! he must be on about RONALD I WAS AN ACTOR ONCE YOU KNOW.
Happy CHRISTmas.

....is social life founded in nature?....

..certainly...God has made man 4 living in society....it is not w/o a purpose that God has given 2 man the faculty of speech and the other faculties necessary 2 the life of relation....

....mzsexybaby

eelco said:

You mention facism. I didn't.
Do I need to mention Gitmo and the other `secret` prisons to give an idea of facism? The ways they treat the prisoners there?
The laws that they effectuated since the towers fell?
The rights and freedoms that are gone?
Transparency gone? 9/11 investigation report?
Why do *I* have to be treated like a criminal when I would enter the USA?
(my reason for no going there)
What about the rest of the foreign policy?
The capable handling of the rebuilding of Iraq? (don't get me started about the reasons for going there)
The way the prepare for the Amero and the NAU?
The capable handling of the cri$i$?

How many people died because of Bush's administration's actions? More than you think.

Therefore I do think that mr Prince is right if *you* read a facism protest in there.