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Reply #180 posted 12/21/08 4:22pm

mzkqueen03

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..a man that thinks at 50..the same as he did when he was 20...then he has NOT learned ANYTHING at all.....

...mzsexybaby sexy
..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind
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Reply #181 posted 12/21/08 4:55pm

2elijah

It's amazing that the people who don't seem to like the song are spending a great amount of their time talking about it, and an enormous amount of time insulting everyone else that does. Thing is, if you don't like the song, why spend so much of your time talking about it? lol I mean, when you see something in a store you don't like, you leave it on the rack or shelf and move on, right?. Geez. lol
[Edited 12/21/08 17:09pm]
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Reply #182 posted 12/21/08 5:15pm

cherrymoongirl

Revolution said:

Rockability said:

Seems pretty obvious to me that Prince "could have" hired some shills to hammer out posts of how much they "love" the new stuff.


HOWEVER, he forgot to write down the spelling of names like DYLAN AND JIMI.

Come one, when someone tells me that the songs are classics because they are just as good or better than Jimmy and the lyrics are as good as dillon, I'm calling bullshit.


And I'm saying that Dylan and Jimi should have aspired to reach Prince's level.
Prince is a one of a kind special, gifted man.


neutral Why? Princes level of what exactly?
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Reply #183 posted 12/21/08 5:29pm

horatio

cherrymoongirl said:

Revolution said:



And I'm saying that Dylan and Jimi should have aspired to reach Prince's level.
Prince is a one of a kind special, gifted man.


neutral Why? Princes level of what exactly?



Prince's JW nutter level
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Reply #184 posted 12/21/08 5:56pm

pald1

2elijah said:

It's amazing that the people who don't seem to like the song are spending a great amount of their time talking about it, and an enormous amount of time insulting everyone else that does. Thing is, if you don't like the song, why spend so much of your time talking about it? lol I mean, when you see something in a store you don't like, you leave it on the rack or shelf and move on, right?. Geez. lol
[Edited 12/21/08 17:09pm]


So, the answer is...don't have an opinion about anything?
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Reply #185 posted 12/21/08 5:58pm

mzkqueen03

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...calculated snub or some malicious gossip can only bring TEMPORARY unpleasantness...if u want to b the victim....showing generosity and forgiveness...slight will be forgotten....

...mzsexybaby sexy
..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind
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Reply #186 posted 12/21/08 6:03pm

2elijah

pald1 said:

2elijah said:

It's amazing that the people who don't seem to like the song are spending a great amount of their time talking about it, and an enormous amount of time insulting everyone else that does. Thing is, if you don't like the song, why spend so much of your time talking about it? lol I mean, when you see something in a store you don't like, you leave it on the rack or shelf and move on, right?. Geez. lol
[Edited 12/21/08 17:09pm]


So, the answer is...don't have an opinion about anything?


Sure you can. I just find it funny that some of the people that dislike it are spending more of their time discussing this song, more than those that like it. I actually like the song. Carry on, as I'm sure you will. lol
[Edited 12/21/08 18:18pm]
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Reply #187 posted 12/21/08 6:18pm

cherrymoongirl

horatio said:

cherrymoongirl said:



neutral Why? Princes level of what exactly?



Prince's JW nutter level

lol
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Reply #188 posted 12/21/08 6:27pm

SynthiaRose

pald1 said:

zucris said:

Very very special sound , love lyrics yes



Sound is good but lyrics are just awful...just awful. It's a list of confused statements made to look 'deep' but when you actually read them..don't actually mean a thing. The day he dumps that JW shit will be a day for us all to rejoice.


I totally agree with u. I conveyed this on the main thread when I compared him to Kanye.

This gibberish is not profound.

And the victim gloom & doom mentality is so pre-Obama.
Spare me.
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Reply #189 posted 12/21/08 6:33pm

mzkqueen03

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..tears..grief..regrets..remorse..separation..that is passing...quiet happiness from learning many lessons..peace of mind..from small pleasures..inner peace..harmony...nobody likes the lover's quarrel..disagreement..

...mzsexybaby sexy
..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind
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Reply #190 posted 12/21/08 6:33pm

Tame

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2elijah said:

horatio said:




oh, i thought it was something to do with the election being an illusion.
and it didnt matter who 'won' mccain or obama its all the same agenda


I kind of got that same assumption, a political/social/religious connection. Love the guitar sound in it, it takes you there. Has a blues/rock feel to it. Colonized Mind will do well.

I absolutely love the cover of "Crimson & Clover". I liked the original song from back in the day. Nice to hear a cover of that. I would love to hear a cover of the Beatle's "Long and Winding Road" if Prince ever decides to release a cover of that as well. He did a snippet of it at some of the Vegas shows.
[Edited 12/19/08 10:59am]


"Colonized Mind," is basically upload this download this.

Upload poverty...download desperate crime...cause and effect...

Upload a man, download a happy woman...

Upload Marriage, download a blast. cool
"The Lion Sleeps Tonight...
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Reply #191 posted 12/21/08 6:34pm

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bellanoche said:

pald1 said:



I don't have as much time as you to go into all of this but suffuce to say that for me to come on a Prince fan site and have to explain, justify even, his take on the thematic relationship between sex and God is a good enough indicator of how far his music, fans, everyhting has spiralled over the last few years. To say "some people found it easier to dismiss Prince's God/Biblical references as long as they could skip ahead to the next song about sex" is a fantastic musunderstanding of the man's work. This is EXACTLY what made him different and the two were never seperable within the context of a song. When he writes songs now, either just about sex or just about God, that is what makes them one-dimesional. It's as simple as that. To say, only, that people have a beef against his songs now becauee they (the people) are anti-religious is intellectualiy naive.



I think that you do not have the time "to go into all of this" because there is nothing you can really say. Surely you have time to post and post and post about how "one-dimensional" Prince's current music is and how "intellectually naive" his fans are.

I never said that some of the religious backlash was because people were simply "anti-religious," anti-JW, possibly but not anti-religious in general. I was speaking with regard to the dislike of Prince's religious-themed new music. Actually, if you were intellectually astute enough to comprehend my posts, you would see that I said that I am not a religious person. However, I do enjoy Prince's religious/God/spiritual-themed music, as it has ALWAYS existed. Contrary to some beliefs, for the most part his current music is not any more "religious" than before which I pointed out on earlier posts. The themes of a love of God, salvation, redemption, Creationism, everlasting life in Heaven, etc. are nothing new. Again, the only difference is that he has nixed the overtly sexual lyrics and has publicly acknowledged his JW affiliation.

I am sorry, but you are completely wrong when you say that the two - sex and religion/God - were "never separable in the context of a song." That is, as you put it, a "fantastic misunderstanding" of the man’s work. He has had multiple songs that are solely God/religious themed and make no mention of sex just as he has had numerous sex-themed songs that make no mention of God. So, what are you talking about?

I never said that you had to justify his "thematic relationship between sex and God" because I get it, I always have. I also get that he is no longer 25 or 30. He is a 50-year-old man who would sound ridiculous singing about sex like a man half his age. In contrast to people like Madonna and Mick Jagger, Prince is actually showing maturity - he no longer has to push the "sex" envelope. However, he can continue to sing about God as his faith and conviction grow. Like I said, I get it. I am sorry that you don't. However, all is fair in love, war and Prince music listening. You will have your beliefs and I will have mine. The only difference is that I like to base mine on fact.

Now I see why I rarely post on this site any more. I love great conversation and opposing/challenging views/insights. However, I do not like irrational, unsupported opinions that resort to condescension. What's the point?


I don't really know what age has to do with sex. I do hope people still have and think about sex after 50.

I think religion has always been opposed to sex. It is always one or the other. Why can't people do both in moderation?
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Reply #192 posted 12/21/08 6:37pm

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...love and romance is a pleasant break in the norm....don't overindulge...

...mzsexybaby sexy
..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind
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Reply #193 posted 12/21/08 7:19pm

pald1

2elijah said:

pald1 said:



So, the answer is...don't have an opinion about anything?


Sure you can. I just find it funny that some of the people that dislike it are spending more of their time discussing this song, more than those that like it. I actually like the song. Carry on, as I'm sure you will. lol
[Edited 12/21/08 18:18pm]


Well, thanks for your kind endorsement.
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Reply #194 posted 12/21/08 8:02pm

2elijah

Tame said:

2elijah said:



I kind of got that same assumption, a political/social/religious connection. Love the guitar sound in it, it takes you there. Has a blues/rock feel to it. Colonized Mind will do well.

I absolutely love the cover of "Crimson & Clover". I liked the original song from back in the day. Nice to hear a cover of that. I would love to hear a cover of the Beatle's "Long and Winding Road" if Prince ever decides to release a cover of that as well. He did a snippet of it at some of the Vegas shows.
[Edited 12/19/08 10:59am]


"Colonized Mind," is basically upload this download this.

Upload poverty...download desperate crime...cause and effect...

Upload a man, download a happy woman...

Upload Marriage, download a blast. cool


I'll say it again, my opinion only of the song, is that it seems to relate to scientific/political/social/religious issues within our society, and how we as a society relate, are aware of or not, of the facts behind some of these issues, and how we react to them. It's obvious in the verses.
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Reply #195 posted 12/21/08 9:20pm

Twinkly1

MendesCity said:

Twinkly1 said:




It appears to me that Prince's mind is far from "colonized". The fact that he speaks his mind (even though some do not like what he has to say) and his views may not be "politically correct" is evidence. His choice of religion is really what irks some of you. The fact that you have no faith is proof of your colonization--without faith you're subject to lock-stepping.


Wow. I can't decide if the worst thing about that comment is the assumptions it makes, its judgmental nature, or its condescension. So I'll just stick with all three.


eaglebear4839 said:
dare I say a colonized mind is trying to tell us about the colonized mind?)


I believed the statement from eaglebear (the one to which you affirmed) to be rather judgemental and condescending.
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Reply #196 posted 12/21/08 9:31pm

bellanoche

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I don't really know what age has to do with sex. I do hope people still have and think about sex after 50.

I think religion has always been opposed to sex. It is always one or the other. Why can't people do both in moderation?


Maybe I need to clarify my position. I never said that people do not still think about or have sex at 50. However, at a certain point people tend to grow up and take on more mature attitudes toward sex. Therefore, there is typically a difference between the ways we approach sex at 20 and 50 - at least for most people there is (and I do not mean this literally with regard to what one “does” sexually with a partner). So, I think age does have something to do with sex. I am 33 and I see a difference in myself in general in the last 5-10 years.

Wisdom should arrive with time and experience, and that wisdom ultimately alters our approach to many things – not just sex. This is evident with regard to Prince and his music. Yes, he does still have themes of "sexuality" but they are more mature now and less overtly sexual. For example, now he sings about sex in the confines of a monogamous relationship as opposed to giving head to a stranger on her way to be wed. Thankfully he is no longer singing about 23 positions in a one-night stand; a girl masturbating in a hotel lobby; a sexy mf’er shaking her a$$. Those kinds of songs were fun and they fit where he was at that stage of his journey. However, he is no longer there. He's grown up, and his music reflects that. Songs like “Somewhere Here on Earth,” “Future Baby Mama,” “Mellow Mellow” and “Satisfied” are all sexy and sensuous but in a more mature way. He definitely has the “grown and sexy” vibe down and I dig it.

As I said, at 50 Prince does not need to be overtly sexual in his music - he's not at that stage of his life anymore. However, some people (I am not referring to you, but some people with whom I have talked) still seem to want to see him humping on the ground and simulating cunnilingus with a microphone, which would be immature and ridiculous at this stage of his life. I think it is pathetic when I see older performers being as overtly sexual as they were decades ago (Rick James, Madonna, Janet Jackson). It is as if they have not grown as people and they are still chasing a long-faded image from the past. I do not want to see Prince like that, and I am glad that he has chosen not display himself that way either. At the end of the day, however, this is just my opinion – not law.

One last note, I do not think that religion has always been opposed to sex. Most religions want people to “be fruitful and multiply,” which can only occur naturally through sex. However, I think the issue with religion is that it is focused on limiting people to only having sex within the confines of marriage.
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Reply #197 posted 12/21/08 9:42pm

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i like it smile. probably my favorite of the new tracks. such a cool melody on the guitar guitar. the download/upload stuff hits home with me especially lurking lol. whether or not you agree with everything he says in the song, you gotta give him credit for standing by what he believes in. kickass track regardless cool
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Reply #198 posted 12/21/08 10:16pm

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.. music..if u beleive in me...THE DELFONICS..baby i heart..u...

...mzsexybaby sexy
..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind
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Reply #199 posted 12/21/08 11:21pm

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Interesting this song has gotten the Most Views and Replies. wink headbang music guitar lockdance bow bananadance
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Reply #200 posted 12/21/08 11:57pm

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...BLACK IVORY..wishful thinking.. music

-my dearest darling...it is now 3 in the morning...and at this moment...sleeps escapes me...the moon if full...the star..r bright...flamed by a veil of ur memories...once again...loneliness is a reality...as this thoughts of u come 2 me...r u free from night shadows of despair...with happiness still smiling...as eye..remember u when eye..was there...does a rainbo..still curve ur lovely smile?...a smile so silent yet fame more than a 1,000 words can say...as time changes the seasoning of ur heart...4 the flavors of my mind... music

....mzsexybaby sexy
..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind
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Reply #201 posted 12/22/08 2:03am

HamsterHuey

Of all five new songs leaked last week I really dig Crimson & Clover and Colonized Mind the best. It's part of the sound of Planet Earth that I like so much, but amped up. Of Crimson & Clover I love the fact he Prince'd it up, but sound-wise I was very shocked to find out he kept the original sound so close to the original, even the sound effect on the guitar and the way he sings it.
He took out the really dated parts of the song and threw in some Jimi and some great guitar playing. I think this is the best cover he's done since Just My Imagination, which is what this reminds me of a lot.
Crimson & Clover is easily the best single/radio material of the new songs. It sounds so effortlessly and easy and is great to hum along to.


I like Colonized Mind because it pours so many last decade Prince topics into a song format that is great to listen to; it’s not only interesting lyrically, but also musically; but both are not as hard to get into The War or One Song, that both handled topics close to Prince’s heart, but were harder to digest in both music and lyrical content; especially the last here is crafted way more intricately than other of his ‘topic’-songs.
When it comes to songs stepping out of the verse/chorus/verse/chorus-straight-jacket, Colonized Mind to me is his most interesting song since One Nite Alone, that also had interesting forms painting colours. I love it when it at least sounds as if Prince did some work to craft more challenging songs.

Like I said, I am reminded of Planet Earth when I listen to these songs; it has got that laid back vibe of it, but mixed some One Nite Alone-ish feel. I liked both albums, but I must admit I do not play either album much after their initial release. I share this info with you because the first two songs, if released proper, I would play ova and ova, while the other two new songs from the seemingly new album, do have the same laid-back feel, but aren’t as time-less as the first two previewed song; they’re not amazing new Prince compositions I would want to include on any of my future playlists.

Wall Of Berlin is fun and is rather nice but nothing more than that; the lyrics are too forgettable, the most great thing about it is the guitar playing, that lifts the song up above the guitar work on, say Musicology and makes the song at least interesting enough to play more often.
4Ever to me sounds like the extended version of My Computer on Emancipation, and has got that too smooth Emancipation sound and I want to keep singing ‘a better life’ throughout the entire song. Yet, it is better than My Computer, as it is more straight-forward and is a bit un-smoothed by the guitar.

Of all the songs previewed last week I like (There’ll Never b) Another Like Me the least for a few reasons.

One of them is that it has that plactic pastiche sound of the NPGmc tracks, which is to me the most un-interesting sound Prince ever produced.

Another is that it does not fit very well with the other four songs and therefore stands out, but not in a good way; it sounds rather bleak compared to the warm feel of the other four songs and therefore pales significantly, not only musically, but also lyrically. It is just too silly; even the weaker of the other four songs kicks this song’s ass and he’s just done these kind of songs way better before.

If this is what Prince likes to dance to these days, can someone please send him some cd’s of the Ting Tings? Thanks.
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Reply #202 posted 12/22/08 3:15am

peter430044

Musically Colonized Mind is slightly above average by Prince standards. It has a nice sound, the sound kind of reminds me about concepts like importance and comfort.

The lyrics are another matter. He calls the two party system an illusion of choice. That's part of JW-teaching by the way: don't vote. I think the two major parties in America are too similar but to call it an illusion of choice is a significant exaggeration. For instance, it matters a lot to millions of Americans wether there is universal health care or not. One party opposes that, the other supports it. The line about God and the blind leading the blind sounds like he views non-believers as morally inferior. I think there are good and bad people of all stripes be it christians, atheists, agnostics...
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Reply #203 posted 12/22/08 6:37am

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2elijah said:

It's amazing that the people who don't seem to like the song are spending a great amount of their time talking about it, and an enormous amount of time insulting everyone else that does. Thing is, if you don't like the song, why spend so much of your time talking about it? lol I mean, when you see something in a store you don't like, you leave it on the rack or shelf and move on, right?. Geez. lol
[Edited 12/21/08 17:09pm]

I couldn't have said it any better myself. nod
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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Reply #204 posted 12/22/08 7:40am

syble

Ive only heard this once so far due to a house full of loud children and their noisy TV shoes!!!!!


however I digress, I LOVE the sound, havent had a chance to dissect the lyrics yet but just on surface value Im lovin it (the lyrics could of course ruin it for me - but what I heard at the beginning I think its return to the true ballad for prince - quality!)
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Reply #205 posted 12/22/08 8:47am

Zannaloaf

Sounds great.
Sounds.
Doesn't stick to the ribs though.
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Reply #206 posted 12/22/08 8:51am

Zannaloaf

2elijah said:

pald1 said:



So, the answer is...don't have an opinion about anything?


Sure you can. I just find it funny that some of the people that dislike it are spending more of their time discussing this song, more than those that like it. I actually like the song. Carry on, as I'm sure you will. lol
[Edited 12/21/08 18:18pm]


I agree. MAKE your point and move on if you dislike it. If you like it ...talk it up!
Trust me - this is a problem when discussing other artists music too. It's like people who dislike want to prove how smart they are by continuing to dog it. Which just makes you look like you have an agenda...and a jerk.
And as you see from my post I say this from the angle of someone who think this song is less than good.
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Reply #207 posted 12/22/08 9:36am

pald1

Zannaloaf said:

2elijah said:



Sure you can. I just find it funny that some of the people that dislike it are spending more of their time discussing this song, more than those that like it. I actually like the song. Carry on, as I'm sure you will. lol
[Edited 12/21/08 18:18pm]


I agree. MAKE your point and move on if you dislike it. If you like it ...talk it up!
Trust me - this is a problem when discussing other artists music too. It's like people who dislike want to prove how smart they are by continuing to dog it. Which just makes you look like you have an agenda...and a jerk.
And as you see from my post I say this from the angle of someone who think this song is less than good.


Stop complaining about the amount of other people's complaining!
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Reply #208 posted 12/22/08 11:02am

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Zannaloaf said:

2elijah said:



Sure you can. I just find it funny that some of the people that dislike it are spending more of their time discussing this song, more than those that like it. I actually like the song. Carry on, as I'm sure you will. lol
[Edited 12/21/08 18:18pm]


I agree. MAKE your point and move on if you dislike it. If you like it ...talk it up!
Trust me - this is a problem when discussing other artists music too. It's like people who dislike want to prove how smart they are by continuing to dog it. Which just makes you look like you have an agenda...and a jerk.
And as you see from my post I say this from the angle of someone who think this song is less than good.


Absolutely.... I totally agree. I’m glad 2 see most people on here who r digging the new music. What really gets me is that the people who have traveled this road with Prince should pretty much know him musically, but they still moan and groan about the same things over and over. They have complained so much about him holding back on the guitar, yet on every new song Prince has that guitar talking loud. He is truly in the zone like no other and they want 2 fine the lyrics 2 be so offensive. Please get over it already and enjoy his gift. If this is not your cup of tea remember he has a catalog of music like no other. IMO if Prince had lost it like some say, I would not be on this message board complaining about his music and religion beliefs, knowing I can’t do a damn thing about it. The music is beautiful, the vocals r very strong and clear, the production is on point, and most importantly the music is rocking. I totally love the direction Prince is heading towards with these new songs. I’m totally excited about all this beautiful music and I love how a song here and there r growers.

Prince! Continue 2 Take Me with U....

Thank u God 4 Prince who has been an inspiration in my life.
I love the gift Prince has and how he has spent a life time sharing it with us.

Hooray and much love 4 the Prince of Music
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Reply #209 posted 12/22/08 11:03am

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pald1 said:

toejam said:



I must say I find that rather insulting. I didn't think such righteous people such as yourself could be so quick to judge...


Great point. If hollywooddove can makes sense of such incoherent claptrap I'd be the first to commend him/her. Not holding out, tho...


omg.... I'm not righteous... that belongs to God. AND I was just joking, lighten up.
We are all so full of doody here
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