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Reply #120 posted 12/20/08 1:16pm

DAYDREAMER1

Wow this thread is now a sticky. First 4 me biggrin
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Reply #121 posted 12/20/08 2:26pm

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COLONIZED MIND
Wanna talk about it
Colonized Mind

Upload the evolution principle
U see a rock on the shore and say it's always been there
Download no responsibility
Do what u want, nobody cares

Upload the master-race idea
Genetically disposed 2 rule the world
Download a future full of isolated
Full of isolated boys and girls

Upload the 2 party system
The lesser of 2 dangers, illusion of choice
Download their form of fascism
Nothing really ever changes, u never had a voice

Listen 2 me one time…
If u look, u're sure gonna find
Throughout mankind's history
A Colonized Mind
The one in power makes law
Under which the colonized fall
Without God, it's just the blind leading the blind

Upload a joint venture record deal
It's just another way 4 the man 2 steal
While he's sticking u with the bill
Download a temporary acquisition of fleeting fame and fortune
Nothing 2 leave in ur will
Hey, hey, hey, hey!

But wait a minute…
Upload a child with no father
Download no respect 4 authority
Upload a child with no mother
Download a hard time showing love

If u look, u're sure gonna find
Throughout mankind's history
A Colonized Mind
The one in power makes law
Under which the colonized fall
Without God, it's just the blind leading the blind
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Reply #122 posted 12/20/08 2:54pm

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....1st upload-download...a group of the same kind of animals...plants...or one-celled organisms living and growing together...organisms live in colonies for their mutual benefit and especially their protection....mulicellular organisms may have evolved out of colonies of unicellar gelatinous envelope....


....2nd upload-download...any people or territory separated from BUT subject to a ruling power....


....3rd upload-download...any group of individuals having similar interests..occupations..etc...usually living in a particular locality..community...


....4th upload-download...the aggregation of bacteria growing together as the decendants of a single cell...


....5th upload-download...microbiology-a visible growth of microorganisms...usually in a solid or semisolid nutrient medium.....

....if u look...u're sure to find...

...mzsexybaby sexy
..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind
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Reply #123 posted 12/20/08 3:38pm

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pald1 said:

sarkozyiszeman said:

Colonized Mind is stunning. Absolutely beautiful.


Wow, easily pleased.


7 YEARS I haven't enjoyed any Prince music.

No. Not easily pleased. I just happen to have ears contrary to you.
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Reply #124 posted 12/20/08 3:40pm

pald1

sarkozyiszeman said:

pald1 said:



Wow, easily pleased.


7 YEARS I haven't enjoyed any Prince music.

No. Not easily pleased. I just happen to have ears contrary to you.
[Edited 12/20/08 15:39pm]


State the obvious why don't you...
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Reply #125 posted 12/20/08 3:46pm

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hollywooddove said:

toejam said:

Musically it's great, but I must say that some of the lyrics irk me a bit - in particular the evolution slagging. How anyone can not believe in evolution with the amount of evidence that is out there is beyond me.

I'm also not a fan of his slagging of democracy. Sure, it's not perfect, but it's the best political system humans have managed so far.

But hey, I've come to accept that as much as I respect him and his religion, there are some times when I just have to grit my teeth and listen to the next line. It's no biggie. Still a great track otherwise.

ah... and you are one who the song is written... a colonized mind.


I must say I find that rather insulting. I didn't think such righteous people such as yourself could be so quick to judge...
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Reply #126 posted 12/20/08 3:54pm

horatio

here are the lyrics to colonic mind,
i typed them out just for you since everyone else seems to be lazy with typing up the lyrics



COLONIC MIND
Wanna talk about it
Colonized Mind

Upload the evolution principle
U see a rock on the shore and say it's always been there
Download no responsibility
Do what u want, nobody cares

Upload the master-race idea
Genetically disposed 2 rule the world
Download a future full of isolated
Full of isolated boys and girls

Upload the 2 party system
The lesser of 2 dangers, illusion of choice
Download their form of fascism
Nothing really ever changes, u never had a voice

Listen 2 me one time…
If u look, u're sure gonna find
Throughout mankind's history
A Colonized Mind
The one in power makes law
Under which the colonized fall
Without God, it's just the blind leading the blind

Upload a joint venture record deal
It's just another way 4 the man 2 steal
While he's sticking u with the bill
Download a temporary acquisition of fleeting fame and fortune
Nothing 2 leave in ur will
Hey, hey, hey, hey!

But wait a minute…
Upload a child with no father
Download no respect 4 authority
Upload a child with no mother
Download a hard time showing love

If u look, u're sure gonna find
Throughout mankind's history
A Colonized Mind
The one in power makes law
Under which the colonized fall
Without God, it's just the blind leading the blind
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Reply #127 posted 12/20/08 3:55pm

pald1

toejam said:

hollywooddove said:


ah... and you are one who the song is written... a colonized mind.


I must say I find that rather insulting. I didn't think such righteous people such as yourself could be so quick to judge...


Great point. If hollywooddove can makes sense of such incoherent claptrap I'd be the first to commend him/her. Not holding out, tho...
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Reply #128 posted 12/20/08 4:03pm

lezama

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eaglebear4839 said:

Lyrically, it is a paradox at best. I can see some of the points he's trying to make, but to me it's too much like someone gave him a picture, told him that's the way it was, and he didn't challenge or question it (by definition, belief - dare I say a colonized mind is trying to tell us about the colonized mind?)


Please expound. I feel like what he's talking about it precisely that phenomenon within the masses of this country. The only way I see your point is specifically with respect to the "God" part, but everything else about it is the very opposite of the colonized mindset.
Change it one more time..
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Reply #129 posted 12/20/08 4:05pm

lezama

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Dsoul said:

The lyrics are repulsive. Listening to an ignorant dark ages fundamentalist here.


Speaking out against exploitation, poverty, racism, absense of true democracy etc is "dark aged fundamentalism"? Please explain yourself. Thanks
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Reply #130 posted 12/20/08 4:17pm

lezama

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toejam said:


I'm also not a fan of his slagging of democracy. Sure, it's not perfect, but it's the best political system humans have managed so far.


I find a lot of Americans believe this, but I guess its because you are not taught about other political systems. The respresentational democracy in the US was groundbreaking for its time, but there are plenty of governmental structures in the world today that are far more progressive and democratic than what we have here. And thats to be expected. 200 years don't pass without people fine tuning political structures.

I think this belief people have here that you have the best and its ok to live with its imperfections actually holds us back from improving it! And it most certainly can be improved.
Change it one more time..
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Reply #131 posted 12/20/08 4:26pm

cherrymoongirl

lust said:

Reminds me of "The War" but also a bit Dillonesque!


News Flash confused OK, people! I'ts BOB DYLAN! Not Dillon! And someone in an earlyer post said these lyrics reminded them of John Dylan. Who the hell is that!!!??

Carry on.
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Reply #132 posted 12/20/08 4:55pm

horatio

cherrymoongirl said:

lust said:

Reminds me of "The War" but also a bit Dillonesque!


News Flash confused OK, people! I'ts BOB DYLAN! Not Dillon! And someone in an earlyer post said these lyrics reminded them of John Dylan. Who the hell is that!!!??

Carry on.



i thought it was Scallion , Bob Scallion
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Reply #133 posted 12/20/08 5:15pm

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lezama said:

toejam said:


I'm also not a fan of his slagging of democracy. Sure, it's not perfect, but it's the best political system humans have managed so far.


I find a lot of Americans believe this, but I guess its because you are not taught about other political systems. The respresentational democracy in the US was groundbreaking for its time, but there are plenty of governmental structures in the world today that are far more progressive and democratic than what we have here. And thats to be expected. 200 years don't pass without people fine tuning political structures.

I think this belief people have here that you have the best and its ok to live with its imperfections actually holds us back from improving it! And it most certainly can be improved.


First off, I'm not American. And I also do not believe that it is "OK to live with its imperfections". However my argument lies in the fact that (like you said), democracy has the tools within it to allow for itself to be improved - therefor it is certainly a much better system than a dictatorship or other fuedal systems. "The lesser of two dangers - the illusion of choice" - yes there is some truth to that statement, but the fact remains I'd much rather be living in any one of the democratic countries in the world at the moment than in a non-democratic one.
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Reply #134 posted 12/20/08 6:21pm

emesem

Yuck..more Prince whining about the millions he's made from "joint venture record deals" on his commercial flops + what he thinks is "deep" political commentary.

LOL. He's got the worldview of a 17 year old.
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Reply #135 posted 12/20/08 6:58pm

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the lyrics are pretty childish but it's an ok song
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Reply #136 posted 12/20/08 7:53pm

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Am I the only person who keeps briefly thinking Prince says "Fcuk No" instead of "Upload" in this song?
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Reply #137 posted 12/20/08 9:07pm

pald1

lezama said:

toejam said:


I'm also not a fan of his slagging of democracy. Sure, it's not perfect, but it's the best political system humans have managed so far.


I find a lot of Americans believe this, but I guess its because you are not taught about other political systems. The respresentational democracy in the US was groundbreaking for its time, but there are plenty of governmental structures in the world today that are far more progressive and democratic than what we have here. And thats to be expected. 200 years don't pass without people fine tuning political structures.

I think this belief people have here that you have the best and its ok to live with its imperfections actually holds us back from improving it! And it most certainly can be improved.


I'm not even sure what your point is....what other progressive political systems are you talking about? Fascism, Totalitariansm, Communism? These are the other political systems in opppsosition to democracy. Other progressive "governmental structures in the world," of which you speak, are still forms of democracy. Anyone will agree with you that it's imperfect but Toejam is totally correct when he/she says that its the "best political system humans have managed so far."
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Reply #138 posted 12/20/08 10:10pm

Rosalita

A true Prince Classic...very well written lyrics...he's done it again my friends


I can't wait for a tour to hear these live!!

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Reply #139 posted 12/20/08 10:22pm

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emesem said:

Yuck..more Prince whining about the millions he's made from "joint venture record deals" on his commercial flops + what he thinks is "deep" political commentary.

LOL. He's got the worldview of a 17 year old.



I think he deserves all the money he has earned. He was taken advantage of by Warner Bros, 90/10 was hardly a partnership and it has hurt him. I think he is bringing his plight to new artists. If he wants to rant about it, why not?
You have a choice not to listen.
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Reply #140 posted 12/20/08 10:25pm

Rosalita

^I think it's a metaphor for corruption in general, at all levels...particularly in the government

I know I can't spell
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Reply #141 posted 12/20/08 10:57pm

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I'm just curious does everyone here who hates Prince's recent music now because of the Jehovah's Witness stuff....did you also hate all of the GOD references he's had in it all the way back from at least Controversy on?? or do you just hate it now because he's put a specific lable on it??
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Reply #142 posted 12/20/08 11:25pm

pald1

Love2tha9s said:

I'm just curious does everyone here who hates Prince's recent music now because of the Jehovah's Witness stuff....did you also hate all of the GOD references he's had in it all the way back from at least Controversy on?? or do you just hate it now because he's put a specific lable on it??



The question is far too vague to answer properly but what I would say is only the obvious...in the past, Prince was sincere towards his religious beliefs, yes, but also had a glorious spin that involved his own sexual themes and preocupations. Now, his religious take is much more serious, preachy and reactionary. Makes the music a little one-dimensional...no?
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Reply #143 posted 12/20/08 11:31pm

bellanoche

Love2tha9s said:

I'm just curious does everyone here who hates Prince's recent music now because of the Jehovah's Witness stuff....did you also hate all of the GOD references he's had in it all the way back from at least Controversy on?? or do you just hate it now because he's put a specific lable on it??


Love2tha9s , this is a really good question. I have also wondered the same thing. Prince has been writing, singing and talking about God and the Bible for more than 20 years. It seems that to some people it was more acceptable in a more general sense because Prince had no specific religious affiliation - at least not publicly. Also, he was still pushing the envelope lyrically and imagewise with regard to sex, profanity, etc.

However, now that he is a JW people seem so outraged and offended by his references to God and the Bible. For example, do the same people who dog his references to Creationism today hate the song "And God Created Woman" because of its Creationist theme, or was that ok back then because he wasn't a JW when he made that song? What about songs like God, Anna Stesia, Elephants and Flowers or Controversy (which contains the Lord's Prayer)? Was it ok for Prince to reference God and the Bible in some songs as long as it was intermixed with songs that contained sexual references and profanity?

I am not a religous person at all. I actually think that it has done more harm than good in many instances. Therefore, I consider myself a spiritual person whose faith grows as I grow older. However, I have always genuinely enjoyed Prince's music overall whether "dirty" or "clean." As a longtime fan, I appreciate and respect his maturation as an artist and man. I am not a member of an "organized" religion because it is not something that I believe in. However, I respect Prince's (and anyone else's) right to follow a religion and express his beliefs in his music. Afterall, isn't that what most real artists do - express their beliefs in their music?

Anyway, I hope that some of you who detest the God/Biblical references today will respond to Love2tha9s' question, as it is a legitimate one.
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Reply #144 posted 12/20/08 11:46pm

Twinkly1

Psychodelic truth inside out. Beautiful.
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Reply #145 posted 12/21/08 12:04am

Rockability

Seems pretty obvious to me that Prince "could have" hired some shills to hammer out posts of how much they "love" the new stuff.


HOWEVER, he forgot to write down the spelling of names like DYLAN AND JIMI.

Come one, when someone tells me that the songs are classics because they are just as good or better than Jimmy and the lyrics are as good as dillon, I'm calling bullshit.
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Reply #146 posted 12/21/08 12:48am

bellanoche

pald1 said:

Love2tha9s said:

I'm just curious does everyone here who hates Prince's recent music now because of the Jehovah's Witness stuff....did you also hate all of the GOD references he's had in it all the way back from at least Controversy on?? or do you just hate it now because he's put a specific lable on it??



The question is far too vague to answer properly but what I would say is only the obvious...in the past, Prince was sincere towards his religious beliefs, yes, but also had a glorious spin that involved his own sexual themes and preocupations. Now, his religious take is much more serious, preachy and reactionary. Makes the music a little one-dimensional...no?


This response confirms my suspicions about some of the religious backlash around here. I have always had the feeling that some people found it easier to dismiss Prince's God/Biblical references as long as they could skip ahead to the next song about sex. That seems to have made it easier to dismiss or ignore his "religious take." Now that he has moved away from the sex talk and profanity (partly because he is older and more mature), it seems harder for people to dismiss "religious" Prince. Now that there is no more "glorious spin," some people really seem to have a problem. Is his religious take really "much more serious, preachy and reactionary"today or is it just that there is no sex to offset it?

So much of these reactions seem predicated upon an anti-JW sentiment. I wonder if Prince was a member of some other religion if the sentiment would be the same, because when you think about it most of his albums from the last three decades have had at least one overtly religious/spiritual-themed song on them and others with more subtle references just like the last few albums that he has released. Examples of religious-themed songs off past albums include, The Ladder, The Cross, Anna Stesia, Elephants and Flowers, Thunder, And God Created Woman, etc. I do not see how the lyrics are any more "serious or preachy"now than in the past, nor do I think the music is "one dimensional." Prince is doing what he always did it's just that now he is a JW and he has excluded the sex talk.

Here are some lyrics for comparison:

In the beginning, there was God
He made the earth, and the heavens
He gave us light to rule the day
And another light to rule the night

The Lord, thy God
Made, He made the seas
He made the fruit upon the trees
When He saw, when He saw that it was good

He made a man, made a man
Only He could, only He could
God made u
God made me too
He made us all
Made us all equally
--from God/1984


I know there is a devil because he talks so loud
He makes U do things that your friends do, hang out with the crowd
But my Lord he is so quiet when He calls your name
When U hear it your heart will thunder
U will want 2 hear it every day
--from Eye No/1988


Love the One who is love
The One who gives us the power
The One who made everything Elephants and flowers
The One who will listen when all others will not
There will be peace for those who love God a lot
--from Elephants and Flowers/1990


'Twas like thunder all thru the night
And a promise to see jesus in the morning light
Love say "Take my hand, it'll be alright
C'mon save your soul tonight"
--from Thunder/1991


When I was lost and couldn't c my way
I used 2 follow what everybody say
Now I know that it's written in the heart
Now I'm ready, ready 2 start

Without God it wasn't there
Now I feel it Everywhere

We were always meant 2 b
In paradise eternally
B4 the truth I did not care
Now I feel it Everywhere
--from Everywhere/2001


What is this new exaltation
That I just can’t explain?
What are these new inspirations
That I can’t get out my brain?
How am I gonna sleep with this feeling
Rushing all through my veins?
Get up, come on let’s do something
Don’t you wanna go get saved?
--from the Word/2006


If u look, u're sure gonna find
Throughout mankind's history
A Colonized Mind
The one in power makes law
Under which the colonized fall
Without God, it's just the blind leading the blind
--from Colonized Mind/2008
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Reply #147 posted 12/21/08 1:20am

2elijah

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This response confirms my suspicions about some of the religious backlash around here. I have always had the feeling that some people found it easier to dismiss Prince's God/Biblical references as long as they could skip ahead to the next song about sex. That seems to have made it easier to dismiss or ignore his "religious take." Now that he has moved away from the sex talk and profanity (partly because he is older and more mature), it seems harder for people to dismiss "religious" Prince. Now that there is no more "glorious spin," some people really seem to have a problem. Is his religious take really "much more serious, preachy and reactionary"today or is it just that there is no sex to offset it?

So much of these reactions seem predicated upon an anti-JW sentiment. I wonder if Prince was a member of some other religion if the sentiment would be the same, because when you think about it most of his albums from the last three decades have had at least one overtly religious/spiritual-themed song on them and others with more subtle references just like the last few albums that he has released. Examples of religious-themed songs off past albums include, The Ladder, The Cross, Anna Stesia, Elephants and Flowers, Thunder, And God Created Woman, etc. I do not see how the lyrics are any more "serious or preachy"now than in the past, nor do I think the music is "one dimensional." Prince is doing what he always did it's just that now he is a JW and he has excluded the sex talk.


I agree with a lot of what you state. It's almost like now that the "sex talk" and "profanity" is gone from his new songs, it does seem some fans feel a "void" or uncomfortable when they listen to his songs with religious/spiritual messages. Seems as soon as some fans hear him mention "God", they freak out. Many still desire the Prince of the past to be in the Prince of the future, as though he should not grow in his music or take risks and move in another direction with it. It even gets to the point where some simply don't want him to "mature" as an individual as well.

I noticed even in the movie Purple Rain, tbere's a scene, where he's riding his motorcycle, and he passes under something like a tressel, you see the word "God" sprawled on the wall. A lot of his past songs had religious references, that is why I don't understand the harsh criticism that he gets from longtime fans who were aware fron the beginning that he made a lot of religious references in his songs. Anyway, that's my two cents.
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Reply #148 posted 12/21/08 1:39am

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horatio said:

here are the lyrics to colonic mind,
i typed them out just for you since everyone else seems to be lazy with typing up the lyrics



COLONIC MIND
Wanna talk about it
Colonized Mind

Upload the evolution principle
U see a rock on the shore and say it's always been there
Download no responsibility
Do what u want, nobody cares

Upload the master-race idea
Genetically disposed 2 rule the world
Download a future full of isolated
Full of isolated boys and girls

Upload the 2 party system
The lesser of 2 dangers, illusion of choice
Download their form of fascism
Nothing really ever changes, u never had a voice

Listen 2 me one time…
If u look, u're sure gonna find
Throughout mankind's history
A Colonized Mind
The one in power makes law
Under which the colonized fall
Without God, it's just the blind leading the blind

Upload a joint venture record deal
It's just another way 4 the man 2 steal
While he's sticking u with the bill
Download a temporary acquisition of fleeting fame and fortune
Nothing 2 leave in ur will
Hey, hey, hey, hey!

But wait a minute…
Upload a child with no father
Download no respect 4 authority
Upload a child with no mother
Download a hard time showing love

If u look, u're sure gonna find
Throughout mankind's history
A Colonized Mind
The one in power makes law
Under which the colonized fall
Without God, it's just the blind leading the blind
[Edited 12/20/08 15:54pm]

Great Horatio. Now can you type out the lyrics to 'Wall of Berlin'? biggrin
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Reply #149 posted 12/21/08 2:25am

udo

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MelittaLove said:

Colonized Mind


Upload
The 2 party system
The lesser of 2 dangers - Illusion of choice

Download
Their form of fascism
Nothing really ever changes - U never had a voice

If U look, U're sure gonna find
Throughout mankind's history
A Colonized Mind


Just a small part of the lyrics but I do see a political protest against the facade that the American two-party system provides. (it has been a while for mr Prince!)
The bankrupt capital is still dictating things over there.
Will they notice?
Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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