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Printable 2elijah said:  But who still listens to Grace Jones? wendy & lisa, apparently. and brian eno. and tricky. since they're all on her new album, which is getting raves left and right. i've been listening to grace jones for years. start a thread on her in music: non-prince and watch all the fans come out of the woodwork. seriously. i'm not necessarily siding with bart here, but i think you chose the wrong argument. | |
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Listened to the tracks and it was as I'd feared. A disappointment.
It's as if he really does not have anything different musically to say. I NEVER thought I'd feel this way, but the music is just plain boring now. I can't imaging a label wanting to release this record -- it's convenient for him to say that he doesn't want a deal IN ADVANCE. Sorry to say it. And now he does a lot of covers, it's almost as if he plays them so that he can get himself attuned to what makes those songs special at some sort of fundamental level. The bad part about it is that it reminds me how long it's been since he himself has had a hit. I have to say, too, that the radio announcer didn't seem to be THAT into the tracks that he was playing. It seemed he was playing them because he HAD to because it's Prince. But maybe I'm reading to much into his droll English accent. 
Bottom line: I'll probably buy the album no matter what, because I'm a completist. But I doubt I'll listen to it much. I listened to the last CD exactly one time. Looks like I have a while to wait for something really new. Come here, babe.. yeah... | |
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BartVanHemelen said: LondonStyle said: “Wall of Berlin” was the third song played. Again, more guitar virtuosity by Prince. If he’s aiming to make an album similar to Side C of Electric Ladyland, he’s off to a good start.
Really? Jimi made an album whining about SHIT NOBODY GIVES A DAMN ABOUT? It's been more than FIFTEEN YEARS and Prince is still bitching about the record deal he signed AGAINST THE ADVICE OF HIS LAWYER ETC? Pathetic. I appreciate your honesty, Bart, but for those of you who don't know, Bart V. is a flamer from way back. Not in the gay sense but in the sense that he flames Prince on any and everything he does. I remember Bart from the NPGMC days. He just likes attention. He is like the Comic-book guy from the Simpsons. Same attitude. Probably same build. He never backs any of his criticisms up or gives more than one point of view. It's always--Prince sucks because... I wish u heaven | |
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i wasn't overwhelmed by the new tracks, but i was pleased by what i heard and modestly surprised that i wasn't immediately non-plussed with what i was hearing.
after the "planet earth" album and the "meh"-fest that was this year's live CD, i've learned to temper my excitement for new prince music, but this week's offerings had promise. i don't think it's any unusually great return to form, but it's music that i could imagine myself playing semi-regularly. i liked the 'crimson and clover' track, but i hope it's not on the new album. i think his records need to stay far away from including covers. and why does he always have to sneak bits of other songs in when he performs a cover? does it get him out of paying as much royalties to the original songwriters or something? i dunno, just grasping at straws here.
all in all, it was a pleasant surprise. the tracks weren't earth-shattering, but that's just fine cuz in my opinion, they didn't suck either. | |
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BartVanHemelen said: 2elijah said: But who still listens to Grace Jones?Plenty of people. She was the highlight of a recent Later With Jools Holland on the BBC -- the show that Prince keeps avoiding for some bizarre reason, even though he finds plenty of time to mime on American Idol. You'd think Prince would be the first in line to appear on a show where people need to play live, a show that celebrates musicianship. She has released an amazing album this year, but yeah, I also listen to her old music. So what? Why do you feel the need to comment on something you obviously don't know anything about, in an attempt to stop me from commenting about things I obviously know a lot about? 2elijah said: If you don't like it, then that's fine, there's others that will, and quite frankly shouldn't have to answer to anyone or ask their permission to purchase a particular artists' music either,
Have you read this thread? Is there ANYWHERE where I forbid people to like Prince's new music? Why is it so bloody hard to a) not discuss me but discuss Prince and his music and his actions and b) NOT MAKE STUFF UP? Oh, and according to several people in this thread I'm not allowed to voice my dislike of Prince's new music. Isn't it remarkable how you needed to make shit up about me, while ignoring what others have said, just to make a point that doesn't apply to me yet does apply to those others? You sound paranoid, calm down. I made nothing up about you because I don't know you, so chill. Not everyone is going to like the same type of music or every piece of work an artist creates. It's either you like it or you don't. If you don't like the music so what, buy music you like and let others enjoy whatever they want. You can't force people to view an artists' music the same way you do, that would be impossible, as we are all individuals, and have different tastes. Secondly, I saw no one tell you that you couldn't voice your opinion, they just don't agree with your opinion of the recent tracks. I happen to like 3 out of the 5 I've heard so far, it's not the end of the world.
. Oh and as far as Grace Jones, yeah so what, I used to listen to her music, just like other artists back in the day. She was the sh*t back in the day in the U.S, and I give her props for that. I also watch Jools Holland every now and then on the Ovation cable network, no big deal. Carry on. [Edited 12/19/08 18:30pm] | |
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Anxiety said: 2elijah said: But who still listens to Grace Jones? wendy & lisa, apparently. and brian eno. and tricky. since they're all on her new album, which is getting raves left and right. i've been listening to grace jones for years. start a thread on her in music: non-prince and watch all the fans come out of the woodwork. seriously. i'm not necessarily siding with bart here, but i think you chose the wrong argument. No actually it's not the wrong argument. The point is, he likes Grace Jones' music, and that is his individual choice, and no one is jumping on him for it, I used to listen to her music when she was the sh*t in the U.S., who could forget her really? She is bold and confident artist. I was just pointing out that people have the right to their choice of what music from an artist they choose to like, whether others like it or not, so no argument here, just making a point. [Edited 12/19/08 18:11pm] | |
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Anxiety said: I don't understand why it's so difficult for Prince to figure out an alternative to a major record label to get this thing released. I mean, everyone seems to be figuring out a new way of self-releasing music, and it's worked with varying degrees of success for Wendy & Lisa, David Byrne & Brian Eno, Nine Inch Nails and Radiohead, among others. The solution is out there, and for the love of Benji, Prince was one of the early architects of this method. Where's the problem?
I agree. If I, and a bazillion other indie artists can do it, what's the dill-ee-oo, Prince?? Especially with his duckets and connections.  | |
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Now, I wanna a video of "THERE´LL NEVER BE ANOTHER LIKE ME" and "4EVER" !!!  Forever in my life... | |
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thank u [Edited 12/19/08 18:26pm] | |
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Shu said: thank u
[Edited 12/19/08 18:26pm] happy now?  | |
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altavista said: Listened to the tracks and it was as I'd feared. A disappointment.
It's as if he really does not have anything different musically to say. I NEVER thought I'd feel this way, but the music is just plain boring now. I can't imaging a label wanting to release this record -- it's convenient for him to say that he doesn't want a deal IN ADVANCE. Sorry to say it. And now he does a lot of covers, it's almost as if he plays them so that he can get himself attuned to what makes those songs special at some sort of fundamental level. The bad part about it is that it reminds me how long it's been since he himself has had a hit. I have to say, too, that the radio announcer didn't seem to be THAT into the tracks that he was playing. It seemed he was playing them because he HAD to because it's Prince. But maybe I'm reading to much into his droll English accent.
Bottom line: I'll probably buy the album no matter what, because I'm a completist. But I doubt I'll listen to it much. I listened to the last CD exactly one time. Looks like I have a while to wait for something really new. I liked the tracks, sounded pretty fresh to me, and different. I played Planet Earth several times, maybe you need to play it a few more times to really enjoy it. "Don't you think one of the charms of marriage is that it makes deception a necessity for both parties?" | |
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Whenever and however Prince releases the lp to his fans,I'll be waiting to buy. | |
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Question...how many people here loved Madonna in the 80's but would pay to stop her from continuously bringing out the uninspiring sampled rubbish that she's been making since the Ray Of Light era? She relases music every year and 'reinvents' herself and does all sorts to keep her in the media spotlight that no-one really cares about (except Guy Ritchie fans).
In contrast Prince continues to release HIS music in the manner he feels appropriate. He doesn't have to release anything and is under no obligation to do so. He doesn't do anything out of the ordinary that deserves huge media attention other than to appear at certain functions. It's down to personal opinion whether people think his music now is good or not, but most songs I disliked in the past are now gems in their own right, for whatever reason. In the end, maybe he is just trying to find the best way to put across whatver it is he feels compelled to say/do, just probably hasn't found it quite yet?? This is what it's like in the dream factory... |
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BartVanHemelen said: "There'll Never B Another Like Me" is basically the same song as "Undisputed".
Dude that's bullshit. While both kinda suck those songs are nothing alike. Do you hear a fucking lyndrummachine in Undisputed, because all I hear on that tune is Kirky J messing it up. Is the structure of the tunes the same? The rhythm, the melody? No. The rhytms are not alike and Undisputed hardly HAS a melody, it's mostly Prince singing/rapping as a robot and then a lot of shouting. Is there anybody rapping on There'll never be another like me? No dude is singing, albeit pretty bloody boring. Shit, I could go on, does Undisputed has the kind of guitar playing and a solo like NBALM? The same keyboards sounds? The same lyrical theme then? No, no, no! Did you even listen at all? 
The rest could easily have been on Chaos & Disorder.
What? Just because it has a lot of guitar?! You gotta be kidding me. The guitar playing on these new songs is nothing alike that on C&D. The sound of the guitar, the style of his playing, the length of the solo's, the rhythms used, plus the religiously laden lyrics is much more TRC and Planet Earth than C&D. You make a good point that you can't call this new stuff 'innovating' as some here did, but for the rest you are just talking shit to get the panties of these fans in a bunch. - [Edited 12/19/08 20:16pm] | |
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BartVanHemelen said:[quote] LondonStyle said: “Wall of Berlin” was the third song played. Again, more guitar virtuosity by Prince. If he’s aiming to make an album similar to Side C of Electric Ladyland, he’s off to a good start.
Really? Jimi made an album whining about SHIT NOBODY GIVES A DAMN ABOUT? It's been more than FIFTEEN YEARS and Prince is still bitching about the record deal he signed AGAINST THE ADVICE OF HIS LAWYER ETC? Pathetic.[/quote Trying to find the right words to say to describe my initial hearing of these songs, but all I can say is "love" all of the tracks. | |
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I don't get it... Prince's second song has got some great lyrics about the illusion of the two-party system (amongst other things) and then they say "he was all about Obama" ???? WTF? I thought he was LIGHT YEARS beyond that judging by his lyrics to one of his greatest masterpieces: The Rainbow Children. It's almost like a different person wrote that album sometimes.
Fuck Hope. http://www.davidicke.com/index.php/ http://xeeatwelve.com/ Edit: I didn't hear Prince say anything about Obama so Prince, if you are reading this lol (there's a chance), I apologize for jumping to conclusions. [Edited 12/19/08 20:38pm] | |
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I'm finally listening to them. They do have a very Band of Gypsys feel. Without a doubt, he sounds more engaged in the musicanship than he has in a long time (who the hell was playing those drums). But there's definitely something that's off. The songs just don't feel lived in, too soapboxy, the sound of someone who's let ideology get in the way of real human expression.
Oddly, I like the Crimson cover best, which I didn't expect. [Edited 12/19/08 21:36pm] | |
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MendesCity said: Without a doubt, he sounds more engaged in the musicanship than he has in a long time (who the hell was playing those drums).
I get that too. 
(I think it's John Blackwell on drums) | |
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Tremolina said: MendesCity said: Without a doubt, he sounds more engaged in the musicanship than he has in a long time (who the hell was playing those drums).
I get that too.
(I think it's John Blackwell on drums) It does have his sound, dunnit? Blackwell definitely has some otherworldly understanding of Prince's groove. | |
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MendesCity said: Tremolina said: I get that too.
(I think it's John Blackwell on drums) It does have his sound, dunnit? Blackwell definitely has some otherworldly understanding of Prince's groove. Blackwell is FIERCE. | |
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Spanky said: BartVanHemelen said: Really? Jimi made an album whining about SHIT NOBODY GIVES A DAMN ABOUT? It's been more than FIFTEEN YEARS and Prince is still bitching about the record deal he signed AGAINST THE ADVICE OF HIS LAWYER ETC? Pathetic. I appreciate your honesty, Bart, but for those of you who don't know, Bart V. is a flamer from way back. Not in the gay sense but in the sense that he flames Prince on any and everything he does. I remember Bart from the NPGMC days. He just likes attention. He is like the Comic-book guy from the Simpsons. Same attitude. Probably same build. He never backs any of his criticisms up or gives more than one point of view. It's always--Prince sucks because... I joined this site in May 1999 and he was flaming Prince like this back then. Almost 10 years of this, don't you think it's time to move on if you feel this strongly against someone? I know I would but some just can't let go no matter how hard they try. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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The first two song were hot - the last two were better then decent. All in all, I have a smile on my face after hearing 4 new Prince songs that feature guitar - AWESOME unexpected Xmas gift. Can't wait to hear the full album!
AX I'm going to listen to the first two again right now... | |
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BartVanHemelen said: Purpracer2 said: The thing about being a fan of Prince is U have 2 B able 2 evolve with him... if U can't evolve with his style changes, then it's probably best 2 go listen 2 the top 40 crap they play now.
Dude, NOTHING in those new songs is different from what Prince has done before. "There'll Never B Another Like Me" is basically the same song as "Undisputed". The rest could easily have been on Chaos & Disorder. ZERO evolution. Prince is still only listening to his own tunes and thinking he's the shit -- whereas in reality his schtick has grown old and tired. For crying out loud, a song called Berlin Wall -- that damn thing fell TWENTY YEARS AGO! I'm starting to think that Prince is like that character in the movie Goodbye Lenin. Now excuse me while I go listen to the fantastic record Grace Jones released this year. THAT is how you do it. Man, could you please leave everything related to Prince forever and get the fuck out of here. Please, please, please. Subscribe to Grace Jones' forum and leave us in peace. You've been whinging for more than 10 years. You need someone to help you dealing with your obessions. Really. I'm worried. But there are hospitals for that. We cannot help you. Ok. So bye. | |
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Purpracer2 said: purplecam said: It's so hard because I loved them all, I really did. I think the song I'm feeling the most is Wall of Berlin. I love the delivery of the vocals, the guitar is SICK and I love the drums. Colonized Mind is another hot song, I love the dark feel of that song. It's powerful. What about you Purpracer2, what's your favorite song from the bunch? I love them all... I hope that's cool... lol. I really like the trippy Crimson and Clover...heck, I like them all. It's cool 2 talk 2 some-1 who is positive. Thanks... +1 I have been listening to these tracks over and over out loud and they are pure dope. Guitar + Bass+ Drums =  | |
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BartVanHemelen said: Graycap23 said: Bart,
U can dislike Prince all u want, Oh really? Let's see: Purpracer2 said: Just answer one question Bart, why R U here?????
Apparently, I cannot dislike Prince -- or at least I cannot voice my opinion. You're just a self centered egomaniac nerd. An attention whore. | |
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Spanky said: BartVanHemelen said: Really? Jimi made an album whining about SHIT NOBODY GIVES A DAMN ABOUT? It's been more than FIFTEEN YEARS and Prince is still bitching about the record deal he signed AGAINST THE ADVICE OF HIS LAWYER ETC? Pathetic. I appreciate your honesty, Bart, but for those of you who don't know, Bart V. is a flamer from way back. Not in the gay sense but in the sense that he flames Prince on any and everything he does. I remember Bart from the NPGMC days. He just likes attention. He is like the Comic-book guy from the Simpsons. Same attitude. Probably same build. He never backs any of his criticisms up or gives more than one point of view. It's always--Prince sucks because... Do u reckon he has yellow skin too? We ain't from Hollywood, so you know it's all good | |
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BartVanHemelen said: LondonStyle said: “Wall of Berlin” was the third song played. Again, more guitar virtuosity by Prince. If he’s aiming to make an album similar to Side C of Electric Ladyland, he’s off to a good start.
Really? Jimi made an album whining about SHIT NOBODY GIVES A DAMN ABOUT? It's been more than FIFTEEN YEARS and Prince is still bitching about the record deal he signed AGAINST THE ADVICE OF HIS LAWYER ETC? Pathetic. Your pathetic give the man a break. | |
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Spanky said: BartVanHemelen said: Really? Jimi made an album whining about SHIT NOBODY GIVES A DAMN ABOUT? It's been more than FIFTEEN YEARS and Prince is still bitching about the record deal he signed AGAINST THE ADVICE OF HIS LAWYER ETC? Pathetic. I appreciate your honesty, Bart, but for those of you who don't know, Bart V. is a flamer from way back. Not in the gay sense but in the sense that he flames Prince on any and everything he does. I remember Bart from the NPGMC days. He just likes attention. He is like the Comic-book guy from the Simpsons. Same attitude. Probably same build. He never backs any of his criticisms up or gives more than one point of view. It's always--Prince sucks because... I gotta say his rant was entertaining! 
Of course I never understood people who have nothing better to do than go to a fan forum and express their opinion over and over how much they dislike the artist for more than a decade, but that's one way to spend your time I guess... As for the new songs, I like them, "4ever" is my favourite. | |
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he seems 2 always know how 2 touch me very deeply and honestly no other can do it like he can he is very special 2 me and he knows how 2 reach my heart i said it before and i'll say it again personally i love all of his music da man got it going on ya hear me 
i love all of the songs crimson and clover got me years ago but it is even better now 2 me, i feel him so deeply “Colonized Mind it causes me 2 feel relaxed soothing and the guitar causes me 2 move da booty alittle smoothly, nice feeling, and sweet pat my feet and causes me 2 think of life issues we all can see, feel, and know some of us downlow
“Wall of Berlin” sexy feeling smooth, uplifting and the music causes me 2 feel good along with his singing i can also relate i love germay oh baby play dat guitar yes got me moving the booty again only faster sweeter and lifting da spirit yes oh yes do it daddy 
4EVER 
i love this dearly it causes beautiful sweet and touching visions and causes me 2 think u can hold my hand and b my man oh baby come on kiss these lips, 
feel these hips, 4ever and a day show me face 2 face if you truly care i love bubbles and you throughout eturnity oh yes baby 4ever I love ...4ever 
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This song is jammin'
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