Tremolina said:

Right on. These tracks sound NOTHING like C&D. The overall feel is way different, The bass lines much more progressive, guitar less crunchy and no bar chord rhythms. One doesn't have to like it, but for sure this is not C&D revisited...

BartVanHemelen said:

2004 was a very big year for prince.

Anxiety said:

This is my theory.

Joni Mitchell would meld songs together sometimes on record wouldnt she? I am not an expert on her entire catalouge but i recall hearing her include little snippets of other tracks (what was that righteous Bros track she used?). I thought that this may have been an influence on Prince. Infact, the earliest example of prince incorporating another persons song into his own that i know of was the ballad of dorothy parker (in which he uses lines and melody form joni's song 'help me').

additionally, i imagine alot of these tracks being worked on via extensive jamming sessions, And, Prince has often mixed up and interchanged lyrics of various songs in such settings.

who knows?!
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BartVanHemelen said:

Well, what counts are the extra copies they sold !!

Last weekend, diminutive, purple-loving rock star Prince upset music industry executives and retailers alike by deciding to give away copies of his upcoming CD, Planet Earth, via the Mail on Sunday in the UK. The results are in, and it appears that the giveaway was a big success for the newspaper. At the same time, it demonstrates the degree to which the album is becoming irrelevant to the record labels.

The Mail reported sales of at least 2.8 million papers last Sunday, compared to the June's Sunday average of 2.276 million, according to figures obtained by the Guardian

http://arstechnica.com/ne...offin.html

And: In an article about Stephen Miron:

He is best known as the Associated executive behind last year's Mail on Sunday giveaway of Prince's new album, Planet Earth, which was hailed as the most successful promotion in the paper's 25-year history.

The giveaway, which fuelled an extra 600,000 sales to more than 2.8 million copies in July last year, prompted global media coverage, and anger from some music retailers, even prompting a Disney executive to describe Miron as "the most feared man in the world of content".

Miron's Prince giveaway produced the second highest sale in the paper's 25-year history, surpassed only by its September 7 1997 issue - the day after the funeral of Diana, Princess of Wales.

http://www.guardian.co.uk...obalradio1

These two idiots "Prince was all about Obama?" Do some research.

I think he should drive around the world in a cadillac and sell copies himself. Tell me that wouldn't be the greatest selling album of all time.

Even though Bart has a very....ummmm "harsh" way of putting things, I have to agree. These songs are very mediocre and extremely under-whelming, and I honestly dont see how anyone can think any differently. These are by-the-numbers, written in my sleep songs. And please don't say my opinions are based on my want of another Purple Rain or some other album, because thats the last thing I want. I just want an album where it seems like Prince actually tried to make a good album. I want good lyrics (Colonised Mind? UPLOAD!!! DOWNLOAD!!! LOL!!), not those that sound like a 10 year old in love with his class partner wrote. I want good music that sounds inspired, with actual MELODIES!! This is becoming ridiculous. Oh well, I guess I'll go back to listening to Steven Wilson. (Now there is a musical genius who still gets it!)

Singingboy said:

As a JW he could go from door to door ....

Klyph said:

I also agree.

I think we have a few things going on. As usual you have polarization of Prince opinions on music.

What scares me most about the few pages since yesterday was insults towards Bart. Listen he has an opinion, I was pleasantly surprised by the songs except Crimson, but I don't fool myself into thinking this is envelope pushing stuff.

The samples are not a new direction in anyway. You may like the songs, but I don't think anyone can argue this is totally diff from anything he has done.

Look people like Bart and myself are very critical of Prince. I own hundreds of his cd's, spent yrs studying the outtakes, reading uptown/vault etc. I just think that we should be able to criticize him without people getting nasty.

Look I still test the water with Prince, I don't jump in anymore, cause I have gotten burnt pretty bad.

And I am not an old guy 31, but I remember 1-800-funk and crystal ball ordering fiaso's, so I think his business model has not always been so great.

Bottom line folks, we have new prince MUSIC. Not a new wife, religion, hairdo, outfit and it's being discussed in the prince music section. Now that is a holiday surprise, cause I would guess 50% of the topics have nothing to do with his music in this section.

Criticize the folks that ask what would you cook Prince, what would you do while making out with him etc, not the guy he gives hard evidence to why HE doesn't eat everthing Prince and love it.

Happy Holidays,

I just wish people would wake up and realize that you can still be a Prince fan but hate where the guy is now. I will always be a fan of his music, but I will not be a blind follower of anyone or anything.

Klyph said:

Everyone has different aesthetics and taste. Your opinions don't reflect everyone elses. And the songs well reception by the majority here and on HQ are testimony to that. Your opinion is your opinion. And you know what they say about that... they're like assholes... Everyone has one. Some are just bigger than others.

lezama said:

Wow! The majority of the people on a PRINCE fansite like new Prince songs. SHOCKER!!!! (Yep, I have one and I am one.) The question is whether or not people who dont worship at the altar of purpleness, but love good music, will feel the same
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Klyph said:

Yes... we can see that.
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Klyph said:

Agree with sentiment! I had to reply because I don't see SW being named dropped around here. PT Rules!
Anyway, I don't think the new P is bad nor do I think it's astounding or ground breaking. But it is enjoyable. Don't put too much into it and you just may like it.
I will say I'm not crazy about Never Be Another like Me. Funny because I love the instrumental version. Maybe it should've been just that.
Try this. Seqeunce the songs as an ep.
Wall Of Berlin
4Ever
Colonized Mind
Crimson and Clover
TWNBALM
F.U.N.K (add it. it flows nicely with TWNBALM)
TWNBALM (instrumental version).
It's like you have side A (rock) and a side B (funk) to a new little P album.

lezama said:

Funny you cant see Prince for what he is.

"Somebody once told him that he couldnt take Prince through the wringer.....
Let him go down as a washed up singer....."
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Klyph said:

Funny, cuz I'm pretty sure you don't know how I see Prince, especially not merely by how I see you.

I like the new Prince songs. I like to hear Prince focus on "quality" songs instead of fast pumped out crap.

Even though I am happy about the new music,and I have been listening th C&C on repeat,does anyone else feel like he is sitting on his hands,playing it safe?

Klyph said:

Pathetic comment up there. I mean really pathetic.

Klyph said:

Listen many people over here have hated PE, Musicology etc. It is the first time I dig Prince stuff in 7 years.

So stop acting like if this site was ruled by blinded fans who love everythinh that P puts out.

I say it again. The four guitar oriented tracks are dope. Youd 'ont think the same way. Who gives a flying fuck ?

Go kiss Bart'ss ass.

So how come Prince is searching for ways to sell his music without using record labels? Isn't this a question that has been answered? Isn't it a question Prince himself answers with NPG Music Club etc? What's left to figure out at this stage?

Looking forward to a new album though.

Sorry if this has already been answered but I don't have time to read 6 pages of posts.

The tunes seem to be gone now. Is that true or are people still able to find them at this link?

sarkozyiszeman said:

Exactly. Prince puts guitar solos on the ends of average tracks and all of a sudden this is a "guitar" album! You guys crack me up. Enjoy your mediocrity, I'll enjoy Bart's ass. At least I can admit that's where sh*t comes from.
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The last I was hearing was one site was just black and one site came up with "are you looking for something?". I tried one (can't remember which) and it was just black. I does SEEM like something Prince would do though doesn't it? Just give you a taste and then make you wait. Some people must have been able to record the show. Not me. I'd love to hear the songs more than once. peace&luv. (if u find anything diff. post it, ok?)

lezama said:

Can you see what I see? "We spend our whole life trying to dog the other man, when what we need to do is try to give them all we can.....

BUT

YOU ONLY KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW.....YOU ONLY LOVE WHEN YOU KNOW WE ALL COME FROM THE DECEMBER!!!"

Really?? Can you see what I see?

I think the indie 103 website has unlinked the Prince tracks

Love new Prince.

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npggirl77 said:

All I'm getting is the ex-Sex Pistol talking...is it still there?

all I know is Prince is playing guitar on these tracks like the doctor told him it was the last time he would play again and I love it, this is definitely the side of Prince I am most fond of as opposed to the more sleek diamonds and pearls 3121 sound. Also whoever wrote that article how could they get Jimi's cover of wild thing confused with foxy lady?

This is the deal.
Whenever Prince comes out with a new song/CD every wannabe music critic and musician will come on here and talk about how good/bad the thing is and all Hell breaks loose.

Damn let the shit come out and then we will fuss about it. This was some unmastered shit previewed on a indie radio program not the finished product.
But then again Prince could bring you the new CD with a bow and you all would bitch about it only had 15 songs instead of 20.