Wow, I thought people would be bothered by Prince's preaching
Hey, its a form of self-expression and I don't have any problem with him writing about his beliefs in his work. I'm not highly religious or anything, but his words make you look at the aspect in a way you probably wouldn't have thought He always has so much to say about just about any subject that I can find some common ground with him in. had 2 run away... pride was 2 strong. It started raining, baby, the birds were gone | |
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gubbins4ever said: He could be liberating us from servitude to the old corrupted male-centric power structures instead of contributing to their continuation.
the female-centric power structure started a long time ago, but he doesn't get that yet. he's male. be patient with him | |
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Im actually kind of bothered, like the part in controversey"or father....", im an atheist myself so i can not relate. Freedom is to trust that you're doing what you must according to your lust | |
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AmethystAngel said: nope,does it bother U???
No, not at all. I So, any GOD-publicity is welcome. "LOVE YOURSELF AS ALL PEOPLE" | |
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G0d said: AmethystAngel said: nope,does it bother U???
No, not at all. I So, any GOD-publicity is welcome. God iz love, Love iz God "I don't wanna give U my love
Cuz I don't wanna lose my mind" All 7 | |
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God is alive | |
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As a christian myself, it won't bother me. It'll be great if he realeses something like a worship album for people who believe in god (in a way target a new audience) but also keep on what he does best Take of your clothes, egh, 319! | |
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DigMeNow said: syble said: jahova is another word for god.
Well not really Jehovah is God's personal name. God and Lord are titles. In the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures Psalm 83:18 says: You, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." Anyways to answer the question...no I am not bothered by this. Prince is free to speak or sing about God. He definitely gets your attention whether you approve of it or not. | |
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gubbins4ever said: Yes, it bothers me. Instead of believing in outdated Bronze Age fairy tales, Prince could be opening our eyes, through music, to the beauty of the universe as revealed through evidence and experience. Faith is not based on evidence, otherwise you wouldn't call it faith, you'd simply call it evidence.
Knowing that Prince handicaps himself with ridiculous beliefs that have slaughtered and shackled millions for thousands of years is sad. Instead of being on the cutting edge of thought, he's stuck in the dark ages. He could be liberating us from servitude to the old corrupted male-centric power structures instead of contributing to their continuation. Lucky his music rocks, I guess. I agree, I have nothing against other people having different views to me but its sad Prince chooses this one in a way as I always thought of him in the past as being the type that pushes the envelope and questions established routines... And with some of his lyrics like in Black Sweat, Incense and Candles etc... he is a hypocrite as you can tell he still thinks that way just holds back.. but why there is nothing wrong with expressing your true self. I still think he is amazing live. | |
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No | |
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Princey come out with a Gospel album and call it a day. | |
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Prince should just concern himself creating music. he's a musician and not a preacher. PEACE BOB4theFUNK | |
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treniselove said: chillichocaholic said: U know Im a great believer in God without religion and it dosent bother me either that he calls God Jehovah or that he preaches in his songs. To each their own I say. We all call god many different names...God ,Jehovah, Allah, Great Spirit etc, but what it boils down to is that we all believe in a "Higher Power" and if u want to shout it from the mountain tops....or in Prince's case sing it in ure songs...Blessed Be To U No one is making us listen to his songs, so I guess the point is if u dont like it....don't listen And well said Miss Dig Just to let you know Allah is not God in the christian religion. Muslim's believes in Allah. ...correct...the Christian faith do not call God 'Allah', but 'God' and 'Allah' are one and the same... The Creator... Christianity and Islam have many parallel's...they just take a different path but arrive in the same place. I don't mind some of the more religious songs...Prince has always surprised me with his lyrics...some more thought provoking than others... today my father is very ill... songs like Last December, Everlasting Now, Comeback, Gold, The Work, are helping me through a very tough time... | |
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treniselove said: chillichocaholic said: U know Im a great believer in God without religion and it dosent bother me either that he calls God Jehovah or that he preaches in his songs. To each their own I say. We all call god many different names...God ,Jehovah, Allah, Great Spirit etc, but what it boils down to is that we all believe in a "Higher Power" and if u want to shout it from the mountain tops....or in Prince's case sing it in ure songs...Blessed Be To U No one is making us listen to his songs, so I guess the point is if u dont like it....don't listen And well said Miss Dig Just to let you know Allah is not God in the christian religion. Muslim's believes in Allah. same song with a different name [Edited 9/17/08 1:26am] Like a Gb Major with a E in the bass | |
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gubbins4ever said: Haha! Well, anti-theism became a passion of mine after reading Richard Dawkins's "The God Delusion", a fantastic read. I heartily recommend it!
Here we go again. I mean every time the subect of religion gomes up there is always someone that gets upset or there is a debate. I don't get why we just ca't respect all beleive on here. I mean if you are true to the religion of your choice then what does it matter. The man write lyrics that controdict the beliefs he claims to have. If you can't stay true to yourself and what you claim to beleive. Then you have no business preaching to anyone.But we all have different faiths and that should always be respected.It really does bother me that so many public figures, such as Prince, believe in something that so preys on gullability and superstition. The universe as shown through our instruments and telescopes is so awesome and beautiful, it makes a mockery of the tiny universe of Jehovah, Thor, and their fictional friends. Liberating your mind from these primitive beliefs is so uplifting. Free your mind. Luckily, such beliefs are waning. But we must be careful to keep up the good fight of educating the public about the frontiers of knowledge, experience, exploration, and science. People should know the heights of happiness, morality, wonder and reverence - far higher than religion - that these things allow one to reach. But I must add my 2 cents to what someone above said: At least Prince isn't a Scientologist! DesireeNevermind said: Jeez, gubb, how do you really feel? Lol, JK, but stay outta the Wonder why he became a JW thread. I'm just sayin'... | |
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Plain and Simple >>>
many talk, but how many walk what they talk ? if he did it wouldn't bother me again many talk, but how many walk what they talk ? | |
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When I got into Prince, I was only 12 and had yet to develop my own thoughts on religion. While I eventually develop a strong atheism and a disdain for outward religion, I suppose that I "grandfathered" Prince due to the fact that I had loved his stuff for so long. I will say that I never listen to some of his really explicit religious stuff, like Holy River or 1+1+1=3.
BTW, this thread should really be on the politics and religion forum. I abdicated the throne in Ithaca, but now I am...
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gubbins4ever said: morality
now there's an interesting word | |
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I really don´t like when he comes across all patronizing and naive at the same time
but regular expressing his opinions and beliefs is fine 1+1+1=3 doesn´t bother me at all I think I can appreciate the whole album The ladder is a beautiful song small circles, big wheels!
I've got a pretty firm grip on the obvious! | |
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mystifying1 said: many talk, but how many walk
what they talk ? Somebody made a similar statement about practicing what he preaches, above. So it's all okay as long as he literally practices sexism, homophobia and vengeful destruction of non-believers then? Better to encourage such types to be hypocrites I'd say. | |
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G0d said: The term God/god is a title only. There were many "gods" that have been blended into Christianity, like the names of the days of the week. (Thors-day, Moon-Day, Sun-day (Apollo, etc..) There is only YHWH Elohim. Prince, Larry, and everyone else need to find, and know him, and observe Torah/ The Law. Yahoshuah Ha Maschiach taught from The Torah. Jehovah is not a derivitive of YHWH (Yah-Wah, "The Great I Am"). YHWH needs no witnesses. We need him and his laws. | |
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So is it 40 don't care, 30 think it sucks and 11 say irrelevant cuz they don't believe in god?
somebody else keep score, i'm getting a headache. | |
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Yes, it bothered me in 'Controversy' (Song) for ruining that perfect pace ! And he has the right to express his believes anyway he likes , I'm no believer but I loved 'LoveSexy' (Album)... So it actually depends on HOW he does it .
If it was consistent and sincere... it makes a song better . [Edited 9/17/08 12:40pm] | |
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Mythoughts~
I feel it's Wonderful & Beautiful Prince Believes and Shares The Word in his music. In the very beginning, when I first began 2 listen 2 his music, His Spirituality and Love of God in his music beautifully resonated within me and Absolutely Still does 2 this day. | |
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DigMeNow said: themusicthatcounts said: I agree, I have nothing against other people having different views to me but its sad Prince chooses this one in a way as I always thought of him in the past as being the type that pushes the envelope and questions established routines... And with some of his lyrics like in Black Sweat, Incense and Candles etc... he is a hypocrite as you can tell he still thinks that way just holds back.. but why there is nothing wrong with expressing your true self. I still think he is amazing live. ~I was just thinking about something because of what you said here. Prince still "pushes the envelope" but this time it's about something a lot of people do not believe in or have some issues with. But that's ok...again I think he really is trying to do what he needs to do in his life. Another thought I had is when you said he is a "hypocrite" is that Prince is a Human Being just like anyone else! That being said, don't think that he doesn't slip up or have thoughts like we all do from time to time. He isn't perfect, no one is. lol And if you are talking about the music and him holding back...he is still a sexual being, the Jehovah's Witnesses don't cut out that part of your brain you know. It's just that he knows how to present an idea in a "safe" way now for "All" to listen to. I listened to some interview(I don't remember which one) and he wants his concerts and of course that means his music to be enjoyed by an entire family. He is more aware and conscious of what he does and says and how it affects people. Therefore, he not only feels he has that obligation to people,but also it is his obligation to God. If he had thought about this when he first started in the music business and wasn't as risque(clothing,lyrics etc...) no one today would be wanting that older version of Prince. Because simply it would never have existed. The older version didn't care back then to make his music/image "safe"; but I'm sure he was aware of what he was doing. This does NOT make him a bad person, he is a person that grows and changes. We all do. If you like the older version that's ok it's your choice. Either way you cut it, we all have plenty of music to listen to! One last thought, the beauty of the universe as "themusicthatcounts" referred to, I think Prince has written many beautiful songs about that beauty through his own experiences. At this stage in his life he is experiencing something much different than before due to the knowledge and study of the Truth. Sometimes what we see in this universe isn't always beautiful,but that too can be discussed,written about and shown in music. spelling edit [Edited 9/16/08 17:12pm] | |
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Sophianestesia said: G0d said: He does not believe or preach YOUR Word, as far as I know I agree. | |
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DigMeNow said: themusicthatcounts said: I agree, I have nothing against other people having different views to me but its sad Prince chooses this one in a way as I always thought of him in the past as being the type that pushes the envelope and questions established routines... And with some of his lyrics like in Black Sweat, Incense and Candles etc... he is a hypocrite as you can tell he still thinks that way just holds back.. but why there is nothing wrong with expressing your true self. I still think he is amazing live. ~I was just thinking about something because of what you said here. Prince still "pushes the envelope" but this time it's about something a lot of people do not believe in or have some issues with. But that's ok...again I think he really is trying to do what he needs to do in his life. Another thought I had is when you said he is a "hypocrite" is that Prince is a Human Being just like anyone else! That being said, don't think that he doesn't slip up or have thoughts like we all do from time to time. He isn't perfect, no one is. lol And if you are talking about the music and him holding back...he is still a sexual being, the Jehovah's Witnesses don't cut out that part of your brain you know. It's just that he knows how to present an idea in a "safe" way now for "All" to listen to. I listened to some interview(I don't remember which one) and he wants his concerts and of course that means his music to be enjoyed by an entire family. He is more aware and conscious of what he does and says and how it affects people. Therefore, he not only feels he has that obligation to people,but also it is his obligation to God. If he had thought about this when he first started in the music business and wasn't as risque(clothing,lyrics etc...) no one today would be wanting that older version of Prince. Because simply it would never have existed. The older version didn't care back then to make his music/image "safe"; but I'm sure he was aware of what he was doing. This does NOT make him a bad person, he is a person that grows and changes. We all do. If you like the older version that's ok it's your choice. Either way you cut it, we all have plenty of music to listen to! One last thought, the beauty of the universe as "themusicthatcounts" referred to, I think Prince has written many beautiful songs about that beauty through his own experiences. At this stage in his life he is experiencing something much different than before due to the knowledge and study of the Truth. Sometimes what we see in this universe isn't always beautiful,but that too can be discussed,written about and shown in music. spelling edit [Edited 9/16/08 17:12pm] | |
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masina79 said: Sophianestesia said: He does not believe or preach YOUR Word, as far as I know I agree. N0. That's y the GOD. "LOVE YOURSELF AS ALL PEOPLE" | |
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G0d said: masina79 said: I agree. N0. That's y the GOD. Hi, GOd! U were funny as Gosh! | |
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