Rinluv said:

Prince's actions make it quite CLEAR that he hates his fans. That's how we know. there's no guesswork. Unless you've been living under a rock you can see that there is no love for the people that have been supporting his artistry for all these years, only to get spit on. It doesn't require private conversation...actions speak louder than words.
Ya Dig?

"Shut up Already!" -P

deepabove said:

The copyright infringement debate is such a red herring. This site operates within the law and enforces rules. That's not what this is about.

As a freelance writer, you have the right to stop something you've written from being posted or reprinted without your permission, but you don't have the right to stop people from talking about what you wrote. And as a freelance photographer, do you believe that you or the subject in your photos holds the copyright to the images?

The aftershow argument doesn't wash either. Have you ever been to a Prince show or aftershow that started on time? He loves the power of knowing he can get people there and then making them wait.

Prince really hasn't been at the forefront of fighting for artists' rights. He definitely has fought for his own, but rarely have his efforts been for others.

violetblues said:

But no one is doing that. He doesn't own the rights to all pictures of himself nor his album covers nor fan drawings of his likeness. Yet he thinks he has the right to claim ownership or copyright violation if you post these things.

PicassoFace said:

That is exactly the point. This also extends to Album Covers and Art drawings and scans of Concert tickets.

purpleunderground said:

Many of us are in contact outside of here (via myspace or facebook) and I am sure something will pop up underground. It always does.

PekeKeki said:

It's nothing new. But it's time for it to stop.

BoySimon said:

Yes but this is still PRINCE.ORG and I am sure he takes issue that we use his name (luckily it's also a noun) for a website.

deepabove said:

What an intelligent post. Of course Prince doesn't hate his fans, as you say, he wouldn't play for hours at Aftershows for practically nothing if he did. I KNOW he loved the fans in London, and he played fair with us. I think everyone is getting a bit crazy. Who knows what he might be planning to do when he gets this sorted out? I think the fact he put a 'thank you' to Housequake on his website, and gave a 'democratic' vote for the next leg of the tour, shows that he's not shutting us out at all. Oh not to mention the video clips every week, the poor man can't seem to do ANYTHING right by his fans on this site no matter what he does!

Jeffiner said:

The poor man, my ass! He's gotten more money from his fans than everybody on this board combined has in the bank!

He gave us videos, he let us vote! Boo hoo! Leave Prince Alone!! I might end up being happy to retire from fandom after all!

Anxiety said:

Well Stated Anx. My sentiments exactly.

Scarlet Pussy! He gives us whacky-tacky released pieces of incomplete trash like Grafitti Bridge, but won't bother giving us a Special Edition DVD of the likes of the LoveSexy Tour and SOTT Tour. So, he'd rather sue his fans than actually try and resolve issues like embarking on some type of deal for excluding the downloading and uploading of "SOME" of the Infringing YouTube Videos (I don't care what anyone says. But, the day I see someone rightfully sued for putting a Thirteen Month Old Dancing to a Song, will be the day that "HELL FREEZES OVER!!!" Give me some "REAL" logic on that decision.) and DailyMotion Videos (Even though "THAT'S" not even necessary.)!?!

Anxiety said:

Absolutely. You hit right on the tail. Of course, the asskissers will probably make a lame excuse for everything you point out thusfar.So the plot thickens.

ToraToraDreams said:

ToraTora-you're right on Target! There's a point to be gotton!

deepabove said:

Bravo!

I gotta say that people should try 2 gain some perspective on this. The way it is being reported by the media is very slanted, so 2 speak. Also... since it is being done in a "legal method", it comes off sounding very harsh and extreme. Prince surely does NOT "hate" his "family of friends", as he would call them. The other thing folks should consider, is he may be planning something on a grand and generous scale 4 his "fams"...

Peace.

~G

Giovanni777 said:

Dont tease us - lets hear more

Giovanni777 said:

Then he should have gone about it another way! Oh I don't, how about giving us the grand and generous part first, then he wouldn't have even had to ask that his site be the only place his "family of friends" congregate!

If what he's doing is like what you're imagining then it's like sex without the foreplay! He'll fuck us first and maybe...just maybe...he'll kiss us later!

Thanks but no thanks!

Anxiety said:

Anxiety said:

Giovanni777 said:

Prince's silence in the matter (and usually all matters) doesn't help. If he's doing this to unveil a website that rivaled the last one, he should say so. But still many artists have un-official sites that discuss the music of the artist and what not without any issue. Not saying that what they do...Prince should follow form. But unless there is a proven copyright violation and loss of monies due to that violation, I think Prince ought to let it be. I also think many don't like his official site for discussion and lack of content but most importantly being spoon fed news like back in the day.

Again, his silence in this matter doesn't make anything better. If he does speak out, he ought to do so in a normal manner and not the mumbo jumbo rhetoric we normally get.

You must also understand that many of us are simply frustrated that P has been doing this for years. Considering that many of us are music fanatics and thusly, visit and engage on other artist sites, this behavior is not the norm (in fact it's the exact opposite) and feels very unfair to us. Especially those of us that have been around a long time.

Giovanni777 said:

i think YOUR perspective, while struggling admirably to pacify, is extremely generous.

i have a clear understanding about why prince would want to control a great deal of the content he and his legal teams have gone after in the past. sure, sometimes i arrived at that "perspective" after a good deal of grumbling and teeth-gnashing, but after several of his past crusades, i "get it".

this time? i have a lot of history to draw upon and a lot of insights into the artist and the man - years of it, from all over the place - and i've yet to find one proper, compelling argument that suggests why a picture of someone with a prince-themed tattoo violates prince's rights. or why a picture of my friends sitting on my couch - that JUST HAPPENS to have a prince poster in the background - is violating prince's rights.

i can't "gain perspective" on how that's reasonable. and ya know what? i've been listening. waiting. still am. and as of now, i still have nothing.

Anxiety said:

Thank You!

The majority of the folks, myself included that are voicing frustrations have been on this ride long enough to know and understand his eccentricities. However, what I can't "gain perspective" on...is where it'll end?

If posting a picture of some friends friends sitting on a couch in front of a picture of Prince is a violation of his copyright now? Wouldn't it be very easy for him to later say that having the picture at all is also a violation of his copyright?

If I can't freely discuss his work on a community forum on the internet now? Wouldn't it be very easy for him to later say that I can't freely discuss his work, while I'm sitting with friends in a restaurant?

A couple of years ago, he politely asked people to send him their bootleg stash. I have no idea of how many people complied but what happens if his next crusade is to come banging on our doors with copyright warrants and not ask so politely?

Hmmm...

I don't think he hates the fans, in my opinion!

It's probably all because he saw someone's post of the "red suspenders picture" of him.



Well, I'D probably threaten to sue to get that picture removed if it were me!

Efan said:

Yes, the aftershow I attended started just over an hour after the main performance!

SexyBeautifulOne said:

Well he's got more talent than anyone on this board put together!!? So?

Just saying, maybe there's a 'bigger picture'!

Efan said:

Er, it obviously hasn't crossed your mind that he might have needed a break to restore his energy after the main show (ie have a shower, change his clothes, have some food and maybe even take a nap, and who knows what else) basically relax a little, before giving his fans something well worth the wait! No? Sorry if this shocks you, but Prince is not a robot!

Giovanni777 said:

I really dont care what the bigger picture is. Im not buying into it anymore. I have bigger things to consider in my life than to drop everything, follow him and to worship him.