Tremolina said:

Good post; agree with everything you said.

I do wish every prince album had more guitar like the playing on 7779311
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EmbattledWarrior said:

Come on; How about the solo on the George Harrison's 'My Guitar Slowly Weeps" at the Rock & Roll (US) Hall Of Fame Induction Jam Session?
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Tremolina said:

Dude, musicians do the same thing night after night. That's what musicians do. I understand that since it's Prince (and this is a Prince site) that it's extra cool to see him doing his thing. But you can go into any club with live music and find musicians laying it down. Shoot, nowadays, you can go into any gospel churches on a Sunday and find bands raising the roof. And let me tell you from my own playing experiences, most of the time it's improv city. 'Cause again, that's what musicians do. Play. Improv. Play some more.

For instance, check out this cat, the late, great Gordan Gaines. He wasn't world famous, but he was a NYC legend and he laid down his share of improvised solos. This is one of his most noteworthy: http://www.youtube.com/wa...rs95nmqUrc

No need to diss any of the "playas" here that frequent the org - except Embattled Warrior, 'cause he's the one who started all this .

Boy, has this thread taken on a life of it's own!

I feel the same way.

I hear his guitar solos on record and their catchy, but they don't sound like he's trying to impress anyone. They just sound like he's placed them in there to compliment the song, etc.

But I have an untrained ear in these matters.

To me, if Prince wanted to, he could add a killer lute solo of he wanted to.

I actually started a thread earlier, but it hasn't gotten any responses. But this article is definitely along the lines of what we've been talking about the past few days: http://www.guitarjamdaily...iew&id=162
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Well, I think that there is a big difference between Prince and other Org guitar players. First, Prince is a musical genius, he has a better melodic and rythm sense than anyone here. And that is the reason his solos are better than the rest of us. You can lay some great improvisation here or there, you can master legattos, two hands and arpeggios, but Prince compose great songs with his guitar, catchy lines, cool riffs, and that is where he is best. You cant take out his ear and melodic sense from his playing, and that is why he kicks frank axtell or anyone here ass. Frank is great but he sounds like my guitar teacher or that guitar teachers that does guitar video lessons, like a buch of players at clubs per see. Like a pro musican who rents their times in the studio. Prince is a different thing, he is like Santana, he got a different approach at guitar, as much as his voice is strange, his playing is strange too. You can find a bunch of Mike Scotts around here or there. A Prince is much more rare.
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7salles said:

Oh, I see now, you're only 20. From the mouths of babes...
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Hey, guys! This one question is for those on guitar whom especially have a liking to soloing. What I want to know is, what guage of strings do you guys play lead with?
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FarrahMoan said:

Stratocaster: D'Addario .009
Les Paul : D'Addario .010

Christaro said:

Okay, tell me this. Why does it seem like it kind of hurts now while playing around with with my "Johnson/Fender Stratocaster Model" (I hear because of it's $100 price that it is mostly a beginner's, by the way) of a guitar with "10" guage strings. I switched from having "9" guages to that and my action has been "SLIGHTLY" adfjusted, but by all means, besides the fact that they are heavier strings and the sound is clearer, it's almost just as complicated. I don't understand. My action must not be low enough or something. I swear that I think I should be just a little more comfortable while playing, but I don't know. Can someone show me a close-up photo of a guitar with the action and string guage that they think might suit me?

EmbattledWarrior said:

I kinda feel he hasn't outdone himself since I Could Never Take the Place of Your Man. But gold is a very good solo...a dual solo at that whith a bit of harpsichord at the end....I'm sure if u actually sat down and listened The War u'd find some interesting stuff. I do gotta say tho, that The Aftershow disc from ONA has some excelent solo moments on it....

JesseDezz said:

GEE REALLY??!! I didn't know that man, thanx for 'skooling' me!

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Oh, I see now, you're only 20. From the mouths of babes...
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Wrong, I am 25. I have a big collection of albums, I have heard tons of solos by Eric Johnson, Paul Gilbert, Ernie Isley, Vernom Reid, Ritchie Kotzen, Vai, Satriani, Petrucci, Metheny, Jeff Beck, Steve Morse, George Benson and all the masters. I dont think Prince is better guitar player than any of these guys. But I see a big difference between these guys and the so called ORG virtuosos. Dont act as you´re Steve Vai. You are only JesseDez. You can be an estabilished musican, you can know slash, jesse, and even the devil. But here you are only a Prince fan. You can study 15 hours per day, but you will never be a genius. Prince is a musical genius, there lies the difference.
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FarrahMoan said:

Always 10's

jimmypageisapedo said:

Yes sir.....but let me ask u this Pagey, what does that "change"? Because I can play P's leads, does that "change" that he's not a great player? Nope. It doesn't change squat. P was a big influence on me not only as a lead guitarist but as an overall musician, songwriter and performer.

prettymansson said:

Why "10's"? They seem rough on my fingers. But, I suppose that, for one, my action's fitting precision is dubitable, and secondly, I have switched from off of "9's" to where I am now at "10's". Oh, and don't even get me started on how when I began playing the guitar that I didn't know a damn about "gauges" and "action" and "truss rods" and other terminology that takes the shit out of me when I am playing. Because of that, I don't even know what kind of strings/gauges I had before those "9's" as that was the first time in which I had changed them.

blackguitaristz said:

Hey, I've always wondered about how long you've been playing, man. So, how long?

FarrahMoan said:

25 years. Since I was a kid. Wow,...

blackguitaristz said:

in my prince voice GOOD GAWD!!!

Tremolina said:

You're very welcome.

7salles said:

Oh, I see now, you're only 20. From the mouths of babes...
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Wrong, I am 25. I have a big collection of albums, I have heard tons of solos by Eric Johnson, Paul Gilbert, Ernie Isley, Vernom Reid, Ritchie Kotzen, Vai, Satriani, Petrucci, Metheny, Jeff Beck, Steve Morse, George Benson and all the masters. I dont think Prince is better guitar player than any of these guys. But I see a big difference between these guys and the so called ORG virtuosos. Dont act as you´re Steve Vai. You are only JesseDez. You can be an estabilished musican, you can know slash, jesse, and even the devil. But here you are only a Prince fan. You can study 15 hours per day, but you will never be a genius. Prince is a musical genius, there lies the difference.
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I never professed to be any one other than JesseDezz. I'm much more than an "org musician" but I don't toot my horn and brag about how great I supposedly am.
Hey, I have respect for my heroes - you must have me confused with Mr. Embattled Warrior. Your response is just another misguided attempt to rationalize Prince's greatness and diss anyone with an objective opinion about his music. You just come across as a Prince Rogers Nelson dicksucker of the highest order.

If you would've read some of my earlier posts, I LOVE Prince's solos and I stated that sometimes simple can be catchy and memorable. Be informed before you take on 'ol JesseDezz.

And your post is so ignorant, you sound like you're ten instead of 25. I was willing to give you a pass when I thought you were just 20. I'd just say you were naive. Now that I know your real age, I'll just say you're stupid.

JesseDezz has spoken

jessedez why do you have to insult???

vinicius didn't insult you by saying that you are stupid.

i mean we only talk nothing so special to arguee with each other.
we are all here for the fun.

so relex don't insult people.
the whole point is that some kid named embatled warrior stated that he over come prince's guitar solos after only 3 years.
i mean
embatled warrior is silly.

in 3 years of guitar playing you can become ok player but still many aspects of how great guitar player should sound will be missing
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so embatled warrior go and practise your guitar for another 40 years and then you can (maybe0 have a right to say something as stupid as you did.

embatled warrior remember this:

expirianced guitar player who plays for a long amount of time (10 years and more )is always better then guitar player who plays for only few year even if the less expirianced guitar player practise more.

prince constructs his guitar solos based on what the song needs.
he is very disciplined player and his guitar solos on record are just part of composition.

in other words prince plays what he feels the song needs.
in live settings its totaly diffrent story there prince is ferocius jammer on guitar.

EmbattledWarrior said:

nO hE'S ...AT BEST.OK ON ALL- MASTER OF NONE!

thebanishedone said:

Who?

thebanishedone said:

I agree - but it's fun to argue with you guys. It's preparing me for when I get married

I don't think any of us take it too seriously - I hope. I just read earlier tonight about a guy who actually drove over 1000 miles and burned down another guy's trailer because the guy called him a nerd on some messageboard...

I never called anyone a nerd. Just stupid and retarded and a dicksucker and ignorant and...

Sorry JesseDez, reading the posts from the beggining I confused you with EmbattlerdWarrior. And I am not a Prince dicksucker, I just think he is a musical genius. I dont think he is the best guitar player in the world.I just think he is in another league because he is who he is. Org virtuosos should be compared to mike scott not Prince.

7salles said:

Org virtuosos It sounds like a gang! I know you're not a Prince dicksucker - I've read your posts and listened to your music (which is cool by the way). I was just arguing 'cause I was a being a dick, which can be fun at times...

U know what? All this talk about Prince's guitar playing has resulted in me going back and taking a look at a bunch of his live stuff, which always showcases his best playing.

So, thanks Embattled Warrior - you egotistical muthafucka - for starting this thread, I think...

blackguitaristz said:

Wow, is right! Are you as surprised as I am or something? That is long. Man, it's been two years, off and on for me. I think that I have this ability to absorb people but it won't bust out. If I did, I wouldn't be here talking to any of you guys (No offense) because I "LOVE" it. I wish I could just pick up a guitar and play it as people say "Prince" did. I mean, I'm sure he worked a it. But, it is just hard to believe that he had went through the same pestering difficulties. I'll never know, though, because I don't personally know the man. Hey, what do you think it means if I am at least good at picking up on almost every lick on the guitar of a song I can hear? I used to think it was something worthy of speaking on, but I think I grew out of that. Sorry, I don't "TALK" as much as I "TYPE". So, if you knew me, it wouldn't be as annoying. I've got some habits I've got to kick.....and soon!

FarrahMoan said:

Nah, I'm not surprised. Actually, it FEELS longer. Playing guitar is such a part of who I am, spiritually, that it feels like it's been all of my life. I grew up around music. My dad was a guitarist. Type in "Eddie and Ernie" page and one of their websites will come up. Anyway, my mom plays piano, clarinet and violin. I started playing guitar when I was 5, on and off. I didn't get truly serious untill my early teens. I've been playing ever since. About what u posted, don't think about how fast you're developing. Just go along with. Everyone is different. That's how GOD wanted it. U have to follow your own road. If u pick up things quickly, then that's good. I was playing lead very shortly after I actually started playing. Because it was always in my soul. When I was very young, around 7, I used to walk around humming guitar solos in my head. And mind u, at the time, I didn't KNOW that it was guitar solos. I didn't know what it was actually, at the time. But it was very natural and obviously something that was inside of me. I had been humming solos and passages and guitar sounds. It sounded very similar to how Hendrix sounded and this was waaaay before I was even hipped to Jimi.