EmbattledWarrior said:

And All of You are in the Rock and Roll Hall Fame, Right!

Embattled Warrior, post a video of your playing. Please, I am very curious to hear the man that surpasses his idols.

7salles said:

You come to me ,

Here is a different take on taste. Warrior, u listed Slash's solo "November Rain". Funny that u picked that one to list cuz I've always thought that Slash was inspired by the solo from Purple Rain in that song. His solo though is very....simple. Slash simply does not have the fluidness that P has. Nor the style. I like Slash. Met him a couple of times. He's a cool player. But he's not on the level of Prince. That's my opinion. There is NOTHING that Slash could play that P couldn't. But there are several things P can play that Slash's joints in his fingers would be so fucked up if he tried to play that shit. And not just Slash either. The solo to Purple Rain, I've always known was a direct bite of Neal Schon's solo to Faithfully. But P's solo is so much more ...dramatic. It's on the level of Gilmour's Numb. Which I also thinh influenced the solo in Purple Rain. Not saying it's better that either. But it is just as good. Clapton and Gilmour both have played the song Purple rain live several times. Page has spoke on P as a lead guitarist. Sir Paul has stated that after Jimi, Prince is his all time favorite guitarist. U simply don't get "legends" giving props to P as a lead guitarist if the man couldn't construct a solo. That by far, was the 'silliest" post I've ever seen on this site. But, to each it's own. I cold careless if u don't like P as a guitarist. But to say what u have said is like saying Kobe Bryant isn't a good basketball player. I think Kobe is an idiot but I'm not going to say the man can't play ball cuz then I would be a bald face liar.

blackguitaristz said:

Damn you caught me!
But i never minamized his playing at all..
I criticized his playing in the 80's! and that he hasn't recorded any good solos, And i don't know why Vai is always mentioned, i mentioned one song, and everyone went ape shit...
Vai is good guitarist and technical, but hes not my favorite
Why isn't anyone mention Gilmour or clapton, or even BB king!
What about Django Rheinhardt, whos outside of the rock framework, but who's playing has inspired alot of rock artist.
You are right, i DO give a fuck
but none of the songs mentioned to have great solos, no longer impress me.
And now that P has the skill and proficiency he didn't have in the 80's i'm tired of him improving all his god damn solos cause his style hasn't much changed...

But lets stop fucking around here...
The reason i created this thread was that P created a song called "Guitar"
you'd fucking expect an awesome guitar solo...
he fuckin didn't deliver!
im waiting...

EmbattledWarrior said:

Yeah, there's cats on this site that can probably smoke P. I've been told by some folks on here that I'm one of them. But that's neither here nor there. It's not about that. This thread is not about us. I would go to bat for P in a minute in regard of his playing cuz the little motherfucker can play. And has been playing for years. I was one of the few that thought P's solo to Purple Rain was WHACK as hell on the Super Bowl. But I have footage of Hendrix fucking up live as well too. So what? Doesn't change shit. P's was a matter of being in the rain, his guitar slipped hella out of tune and him doing a good job in controlling a bad situation during the Super Bowl.

embatled warrior you lost your point.

jessedez read my post:i said i was tired of those
who think that they are better then prince on guitar embatled warrior for example.
so
i simply sugested that embatled warrior pickl up guitar solo
from the song interactive.
its composed solo that i heard prince play the same as he did on record.

so embattled warrior could pick that solo and record it and post it on you tube.
so why the funk you think that im retarded????

song guitar have good solo
very memorable very catchy
its stupid to say that prince didnt have amazing solos in the 80s

thebanishedone said:

I aint postin shit, cause i aint got nuthin to prove.
Buy my music and come see my performances
gonna whore myself along with the other simpletons on youtube yah...
but yah i can play interactive in my sleep
[Edited 7/27/07 18:54pm]

EmbattledWarrior said:

Hell the big deal is u trying 2 bring this man down.
If it doesn’t matter 2 u, why r u constantly arguing the point about him not being a killer guitar soloist?

I have heard u and a few others debating Prince’s ability as a guitar soloist. It’s been proven he can do it, so what’s the problem. Hell if Prince had a whole cd showing him as a soloist, u would still be bitching and comparing him with the Val’s of the guitar world.
Then u start name dropping about who can play better then Prince. What the hell is that about? I’m sure there r lots of guys that r better on guitar then Prince even u, so u say. Don’t forget that’s not his only instrument like so many others.

You’ve gone 2 far disrespecting this man’s talent, talking about he don’t know what he’s doing. Who r u 2 judge this man? Show me what u got, then I may consider listening 2 u. U guys have made some valid points and I have totally enjoyed this thread, but some of u have crossed the fucking line and have shown a lot of disrespect towards his craft. I will give u credit 4 your knowledge as well as others. U have schooled me, but again I think u guys need 2 move on and enjoy him 4 who he is and not what u want him 2 be. Oh by the way I love PE, it’s a great cd.

Yeah, pretending you are too good or to cool to show your rock n roll to us. It´s too easy to talk brother. Your mouth must be way bigger than your chops.

pennylover said:

Plz get off his dick,
It doesn't matter if ii can play or not
It's Prince's playing
I'm tired of cats saying he can play jazz, when he doesn't
You fans give him farrrrr too much credit.
And i still stick by my guns, he didn't know what the hell he was doing in the 80's

But i digress, Prince was the catalyst of me being wanting to play....
But you can't deny that alot of his solo's are just damn simplistic...
From a guitarist point of view
Blackguitarist, you gotta agree with at least some of that
if not name the song, or the performance
[Edited 7/27/07 19:03pm]

JesseDezz said:

Let's not resort to insults...

coolcat said:

thats what i said....

MajesticOne89 said:

Ok. So we're in agreement?

coolcat said:

the way this thread is going.....at least two people can agree on something

MajesticOne89 said:

embatled warrior i say im better guitar player then you but im much worse then prince.
what you say about that?

thebanishedone said:

i really can't say much, you probably are in some ways...
I know Blackguitarist can smoke me, and he can probably smoke you too lol
And i never said i was better than prince dawg, i said, i surpassed what he's done as a soloist... technique wise...
But he's still a better rhythm player... he can smoke me when it comes to improvisation.
But i'm sorry i've written better solos, technically speaking.
Am i a better guitar player than he is? shit no...
i just know more theory... thats about it tho

what you surpased theory wise.prince?
the man who play guitar almost 40 years.
you play for what 3 years.
give me a break.after you play 10 years you gonna laugh how bad your playing was compared to your playing of 3 years.
3 years is nothing.
guitar needs maturity.to know when not to play.
im 25 and i play for 14 years.i know what im saying.
and one more thing rhythm is lead playing.
everything you play prince can play but with much better timing.
in 3 years of playing you could be probably very good but you cant be master of guitar as someone who plays guitar for 40 years

lets stop this stupid debate,embattled warrior if you think you are better lead player please post you playing interactive or other prince solo.
we all are curius.

EmbattledWarrior said:

AHHHHH. Now it all makes sense. Since Prince doesn't (or so most ppl say) read music or lack of other arpeggios/scales, his solo's are then limited due to his limited amount of theory. I remember i think jessedezz said something like "prince mostly a pentatonic player when it comes to soloing. He knows his pentatonic scales and modes and that's his comfort zone, what he usually goes to when soloing." That's why he's can't play jazz, and isn't considered by many to be on the technical level of say SRV (i said him since u guys like him so much) and whoever. I think EW was just saying that he can come up with more sophisticated sounding solo's by utilizing different scales/modes/arpeggios and knowing how to intermingle them with each other so it sounds tough to play and pick up where as most Prince studio solo's are easier to pickup by ear cuz if you can find the key you can pretty much figure out the entire solo cause it's all in the same pentatonic scale or w/e.

its not true that prince is pentatonic player.
prince said of beyone that she sings in a lidian modus.
so he knows moduses.
you probably think that lets go crazy ending is pentatonic.
it is not is jazz be bop scale.
prince uses pentatonic like every other guitar player on earth.its very melodic scale.
but he uses a lot of other scales also.
examples of non pentatonic solos by prince

thebanishedone said:

Well, idk, im a newb, i was just goin off something i remembered, it probably wasn't even jesse, but it was a experienced player i remember that much. On this topic though, it may not have come out clear, but EW never wanted to say he was better than Prince. I think he was just saying that he was disappointed that he can easily play Prince studio solo's and make more sophisticated ones himself. And I since you're the expert here, can we possibly get you to put some prince stuff on youtube? I'm not trying to come off as an ass, but EW sent me a link to hear some of his stuff and for 3 years, it aint bad, and i wanted to see how you compare. I've jesse and he's nastyyyyy

thebanishedone said:

what the hell are you babbling about?
do you even know the difference between a scale and a mode?
Do you know anything about Prince's Playing

Prince's soloing is majorly influenced by Miles Davis,
Prince has said over and over that he's iinfluenced by singers and horn players..
Which is how miles based his solos
alot of prince songs have 1 or 2 chords, reminicant of Miles's Modal Jazz period
where the soloist has more freedom cause their are less changes in the composition.
Prince isn't a note whore, his playing is somewhat staccato with alot of stabs.
And yes he mostly does play in Pentatonic, I've never heard him play in anything else either...
I probably have, i just don't remember...
Wait i think some of N.E.W.S he experiemented into different scales...
Actually N.E.W.S. has some of his best guitar stuff, which is why i like it so much...

And Majestic yah thats my point,
I was disapointed, that i just ran out of difficult solos to play by P.
I think whenever Prince isn't God, shit gets hectic...
and jesse is hell nice!,

Jesse you gotta come down to the city so we can jam!
[Edited 7/28/07 1:08am]

blackguitaristz said:

Could you play Joy in repetition on one nite only?

no no no
eric clapton is the one who only play pentatonic.
prince was more pentatonic based in the early days dirty mind tour.latter he started using other scales.
he almost never plays pentatonic only
majestic one contact me on org notes and ill send u examples of me playing.
embatled warrior i have nothing against you but until you give us some proof you are talking shit

embatled warrior i bet that you can't play

i hate you
interactive
rainbow children song
i bet you cant even play that little solo from prince's firstt album,i cant rember the name of the song but its 2 or 3 songs before im yours.
so i chalenge you.
if you have the guts post on youtube thise 3 guitar solos.
i didn't hear you play but considering how full of yourself you are you probably suck.
sorry

This shit has gotten real Stupid !
Some of us here..(ME)
have produced tons of commercially released shit that gets praised here...
and Straight up ! PRINCE WILL KICK MY ASS ! why..
Cause he was doin it when I wasn't even out of high school..In fact I got a guitar to "TRY" to be as cool as him someday..
Give the bullshit a rest y'all !

A simple solo doesn't make it a bad solo.

And not everybody needs to play Hendrix or Satriani to be rated an excellent player. That's "guitar player's" nonsense.

It's true tho' that Prince has got various simple solo's on record. The question of U comes to mind. But it's a good and fitting solo and that's what ultimately matters.

I agree that it's a shame that Prince doesn't play more and longer solo's on his records, because he is capable of performing the craziest solo's live. I suggest Small club for those who haven't heard it yet, for verification.

How many of the "playa's" in here can lay down so many great improvised solo's in one night? I bet not a single one.
[Edited 7/28/07 6:48am]