RealMusician said:

Well this is a Prince forum. It's where reality meets imaginary. The majority people on this forum now (more than I've seen in the year I've been here) think that Prince is god. To them he's the king of funk, greatest guitarist, and immortal. That's the imaginary. The reality comes out in threads like these, where actual musicians can decipher Prince's playing and say he's not the God of Guitar like the rest on here think. He isn't the funkiest cat around, and he does make mistakes. It's a shame because I tried to have the same kind of thread after reading the mature, tame, and respectable replies on the "Can Prince play Jazz" thread. It's a shame with all these serious based threads that they all go to hell because Reality vs. Imaginary takes place. You get responses like "fuck what you say, prince IS the greatest, " or "you guys need to get laid," or people go off topic and talk about his versatility and say shit like, "so what he's not the greatest guitarist, he can dance and sing so that makes him better than all of them!" And then after a few stupid replies, the whole thread because a name-calling, immature, bashful towards another thread between adults from their late 20's to early 50's and it's pretty fucking pathetic that this is coming from a 17 year old. Just like the OP said its sad he surpassed Prince, it's sad I'm more mature than half the people on here who are twice my age or more. So before you go and complete shred the OP or his topic or anybody else, before you go talk shit to the person who went out of line on the thread, just ask yourself, what would Jesus do?

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emilio319 said:

Actually, I wasn't referring to you at all. Take a deep breath, calm down and relax. Now there, that's better

MajesticOne89 said:

He'd probably tell you that it's not that serious and to have a cup of this or something. It's a freakin' messageboard people...
[Edited 7/27/07 3:17am]

JesseDezz said:

lol true. oh well. even if it is justa messageboard, i'd still say its pathetic the way some of the people on here conduct themselves, but what do I know i'm the immature teenager. But so i'm not totally off topic, as a very UNexperienced guitar player, for a while I thought it was impossible to play Prince. Although I played along with some of his songs, improvising my own little thing, it sounded like shiet compared to him, well thats what I think, but you are you worst critic. But after I read some of these replies I went to some songs to actually try and figure out the solo's. I pretty much got Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad and his Best Of You at the superbowl (although u guitar players dont praise that too much lmao) And i'm shocked i guess that it was so easy to pick up almost both solo's note for note. I'm mad I didn't do this shit before. I guess when you're just starting out it seems impossible to do something your idol does. But when you finally break that mold, like someone just said on here, anybody can play what they want if they practiced hard enough. It's also ironic I saw this thread after coming from FYE and coming to the conclusion to get the Prince aladin dvd and one of Eric Johnson to watch and analyze their playing on my t.v.

jessedez you didn't understand me.

all i wanted to say is :if somebody here on org is free to critisize prince's guitar playing then why that person dont reproduce prince solo note by note and show us is he realy better then prince
its easy to talk nonsence .

i'll tell you something from my expiriance
prince's solo are not the fastest in the world,but its not easy toi pick his solo by ear at all.
also intersting fact while purple rain solo is easy i never heard guitar players play it original like prince.

majesticone i belive you you caught basic of why you wanna treat me so bad solo.
but i don't belive you you got whole solo because of that dirty faster part at the end of the solo before 2 guitars start to play that unison melody

and don't call me retard because you dont like what i say jesse dez
i never ever insulted u.
but you give yourself freedom to insult me(more then once)
if you don't like what i say don't insult me motherfucker

im so sick of shitheads saying :ooo look at me i play yngwie malmstein arpegios im better then prince.
im better then prince.
fuck that shit
.
everybody who says it's better on guitar then prince go and reproduce some of prince solos and post it on you tube.
to see if you are realy better

Wow!! Five pages of this thread so far?

The responses to this type of thread are entertaining to say the least.
But man are they predictable! (see previous post).


Can't we all just get along? Though I'm strongly tempted...I'm not gonna weigh in on this one. LOL!

"Nuff-said". Make mine Marvel!


-K-

Like Bruce Lee once said: "Put a bunch of masters in a room and they will agree on everything. Put their students in a room and they will argue over everything".

EmbattledWarrior said:

Well, as i said I am not a guitarists and I am not in tquitar as an instrument that much either. But somehow I like Prince´s playing it.

You are getting too analytical with this. Probably because you know what you´re talking about, while I don´t. I just know I like it.

Ok All Ihave tried to stay off of these forums as much as possible because my opinions usually aren't the ones liked by many.....but let me just say this.....Prince is a GREAT guitar player / soloist in his own right.....Prince doesn't ALWAYS play "rock" guitar most of his playing is in the style of "funk" and in "funk" there are not ALWAYS a time or place for a mind blowing solo like we know Prince can deliver.....what you need to be paying attention to are the rhythms and the fills he puts in his music.....that is where Prince shines mostly.....Prince also knows when and when not to be playing a concept not many guitarists have come to grips with.....I for one think he is probably in the top three underrated guitar players of all time if not at the top of the list...


and as far as Vai and Satriani go.....I being a huge Vai fan let me just say this Vai and Satch make money off of making guitar music....they don't make pop/roc/or funk music they are guitar players and they make instrumental releases to compare Prince to them is just not fair.....to both Vai and Prince for the reason being they don't play the same style of music.....

and in closing I would just like to say I never thought I would come to a Prince "fan" site and find more posts bashing him in one way or another then posts appreciating him for what he is and what he is is.....a phenom. guitar player....music composer....music writer.....singer.....and performer.....

In my opinion, you're talking smack about P's solos and that's fine, but I don't agree.

And The Morning Papers contains perhaps his best rockist solo, seeing as
that seems to be the kind you're looking for.

In my opinion.




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[Edited 7/27/07 9:20am]

EmbattledWarrior said:

Maybe many people can PLAY it, but how many could WRITE it? A great solo isn't all about technical ability. 'Joy In Repetition' may require a higher level of musicianship than 'Just My Imagination' but it's 'Imagination' that has more feeling.

'Purple Rain' communicates better than many more technically superior guitar solos.

leecaldon said:

Yes but you can hardly hear it. It's buried in the mix

thebanishedone said:

lmao thats the part I'm having trouble with. If I wasn't a newbbbbb i'd have it, its not really that hard.....
[Edited 7/27/07 10:35am]

No great guitar solo's more on his albums since Purple Rain? I dont think so.

Ones that immediately come to mind:
- Temptation (ATWIAD, my personal favourite)
- I could never take the place of your man (Sign)
- Positivity (Lovesexy, its buried deep in the mix, nonetheless: great soloing)
- Joy in Repetition (GB)
- Graffiti Bridge (GB, the same as with Positivity)
- I hate You (TGE, starting backwards!)
- Gold (TGE)
- I like it there (C&D, short, but raw and furious)
- Zannalee (C&D, idem)
- Planet Earth (PE, his best solo in years and years)

And of course, during live-concerts he often shows his capabilities, and IMO he is a better guitarist now then he was in the eighties (less showy, more controlled, playing better structured solo's)

ANY real musician would be able to know the difference between a dude with tons of chops (selling that primarily)

and a dude with tons of chops that plays more for the song rather than the starstruck wannabe's jerking off to the speed of his scales !

Nicely put, prettymanson

Thats exactly why i dont like technical 'uberplayers' like Vai and Satriani.

And thats why i love 'soul-based' players like Neil Young, David Hidalgo, Richard Thompson and Prince.

PS...
To the dude who claims he's surpassed Prince in 3 years...PLEASE RELAX WITH THE BULLSHIT !
If you cant play rhythm tighter and funkier with more licks than Prince has..and If you dont have any recordings available that showcase your abilities in Funk,Soul,Rock, and Jazz in a manner in which MILLIONS of people would consider you to be Hall of Fame material..Then You need to sit the hell down and show some respect for a man that will BURN U !

EmbattledWarrior said:

When you "say" woodshed, do you mean struggle and strive while putting effort into your playing or something else? You mean that the "ONLY" way he learned his playing was by learning other people's songs? Please elaborate!

FarrahMoan said:

Woodshedding is working on you're playing technique for hours at a time. Learning approaches, scale passages etc...
Giving you're all, is just having the chops.



You need to calm down with that shit...
This is about LEAD playing, not rhythm... it's already been established that he's one of the best Rhythm players...
It's also been established that P doesn't play jazz,he plays Fusion...
so calm your jets crazy eddie
And i do have the recordings,

And the chops, Come down to Smalls and Prohibition, in NYC at the end of august
[Edited 7/27/07 15:17pm]

thebanishedone said:

I never said any of that. I just said you were retarded.

JesseDezz said:

JesseDezz said:

Classic!

I sincerely don't know what the big deal is lol
There are dudes at Org Artist forums that can smoke Prince, Like Frank Axtel and maybe even Beau on Rhythm. Really doesn't matter
Prince will always be Prince, nobody can take that away from him.
So can we go back to an intelligent conversation please!

EmbattledWarrior said:[quote]

FarrahMoan said:

Oh, great! Now, I am even more confused. What is the difference between giving your all and knowing how to follow directions, along with having the patience (Which I often don't, but am building as I learn other tidbits of different "Prince" songs and just plain fucking around with instrument)?

coolcat said:

Amen!
[Edited 7/27/07 17:31pm]

FarrahMoan said:

Its essentially the same thing, following directions and fucking around with instrument
the real difference is that lead needs a little more concetration than Rhythm,
Rhythm is certainly a skill on its own, but its easier to fuck around it.
It's like Beau Hall use to say. Sometimes you're best practice session is when you're in front of the T.V. just messing around with you're guitar, Making weird sounds with it, eventually you'll find a chord that you've never heard before like some type AmSus2/4dim9th chord and it just adds under a notch in you're chord belt. Looking for chords and different types are rhythms, without the aid of a book or a teacher is fucking around...

Now lead playing requires a little aid sometimes, a book, a song as a reference, memerizing the fretboard if you like. Licks etc... Creating you're own licks...
Personally i think the bestt practice for lead playing is creating solos.
Sometimes for a 1 to 2 minute solo, i'll just be woodshedding for hours on.
first playing with feeling, than breaking down what i've played and adding some technique to it. But you have to have you're foot in the door already...
You'rre not there yet broseph. So you're main deal is practice.
But its like i said at Orgartist. focus on you're rhythm First
A Strong rhythm leads to an even stronger lead in the future...

EmbattledWarrior said:

Yeah, I think rhythm playing is something that I am comfortable with at this point, sadly. I try to experiment with different sounds, but not the way I want to when it comes to trying to create solos. I even try to simulate some. Like, I was watching "The Ride" on a rather anonymous website (I think you know what I am talking about. It certaintly ain't "YouTube".) that has feeds on different video clips and such. Anyway, I was watching him play that song on the video and listening at the same time, and I was trying to pick up "EVERY" little note in every which way he hit them and it was fucking frustrating because I knew that deep down inside of me, I could but the shit was inconvenient. He plays "Blues" on that song and it's obvious. I never knew that genre to be so complicated, but now I know. Some might say that it was just a little bit too electric, but I like/liked it, anyway. I just know I can play songs like that, but, my soul's holding me back or something. I just stopped playing for a while after that little incident, earlier this afternoon.
[Edited 7/27/07 17:06pm]

JesseDezz said:

Yeah, there IS more than a little overanalysis. And that comes from envy. Plain and simple. And this is coming from a musician who's main instrument is lead guitar but I also play bass, keys and drums. First of all, this thread comes across as "bait-ish". To see who will bite. The shit's stupid actually because at the end of the day, ya'll either dig P's lead playing or u don't. P has been playing lead on his records and live in concert since 1978. 29 years. For this to even still be a topic is SILLY as hell. No, what it shows is that folks on here has jealousy issues dealing with P as a guitarist. BECAUSE he is so talented in other areas, it's a hard ass pill to swallow that he's a good lead guitarist. When cats start comparing him to Vai and Joe, that's when ya'll lose your validity. Both those cats are excellent players. Both has also sung the praises of Prince, as a lead guitarist. Especially Vai. But neither Vai or Joe could fuck with Hendrix if their life depended on it. So what? U either dig P's playing or u don't. But to say that the man can't construct a solo is insanely silly. Period. That comes across as envy, Warrior. I've seen this noise before, back during 84 and 85. Folks who were into rock, many were hating on P. See, if he was whack, u and no one else would feel the need to even talk about P's playing. Cuz u simply wouldn't give a fuck. Cuz it wouldn't have any effect on u. But u DO give a fuck and it's clear that u are effected. But in a negative way. To the point where u have to make over the top claims to minimize P's playing.