vinx98 said:

1) & 2)You have a choice to believe it or not. Who forces you? He was important. Even if you don't believe he is the savior of the world everyone knows that he helped people, the sick, the poor, the homeless. His teaching tell Christians how they are to be. A life style. Way of living. What to eat and not to eat. To honor thy mother and father, don't lie or murder, be generous and humble, and forgive. I could go on. And again even if you don't believe that he is the savior how in the heck could you find him offensive. He was everything that "we" aren't. We should strive to be like him regardless of if your a Christian or not.

3) more ignorance Mohammed and Budah were saviors? Gosh man if your against something at least know what your talking about and understand what your agaist

4) You think we need religion to have war? There is no doubt about what you say man constantly abuses information and power to get what he wants. Religion has been used as tool of manipulation to justify a lot of things. However do you believe that human beings need religion to be "evil" let alone start a war. For every war you name started in the name of religion I can name 10 more that weren't. For every murder that happened in the name of religion I can name 100 that didn't and happened because people lack boundaries and belief and fear of consequences and/or authority. The issue is man...not a religion.

5) and lastly I'm sorry there are right and wrong answers, there moral structures and supports and boundaries...life is not about everything goes and do whatever you want...not without consequences anyhow

we truly are in the last days....and imagine the battle likely will start in Europe a place now brimming with young islamic fanatical angry middle eastern men who would love nothing better than to kill spectacularly while old Europe believes in absolutely nothing
[Edited 7/24/07 19:37pm]

vinx98 said:

What .. did Jesus do to YOU .. that you blame Him for the atrocities of the world? .. it was HUMAN BEINGS and their decisions that caused all this havoc.. God gave man a 'free will' to choose .. to do what they wanted to do.. MAN created half these religions and MAN created war .. not Jesus... and it's just like Alexandernvrmind said.. how you gonna comment on a subject you dont study about? (#3 - who did Mohammed and Budah save? Jesus is the "Savior") the biggest critics of the Bible or any religious subject.. DO NOT READ IT ... and anybody blaming Jesus for the problems in the world.. that's beyond me.. cause Jesus didnt do anything to you.. but let you live.. now if u're mad @ 'PEOPLE' for their lifestyles of hypocrisy.. then that's another subject.. you can be upset.... but upset at the Lord?.. No.. repent..

Flowerz said:

your argument is as logical as saying 'how can you criticise a 4x4 driver unles you've driven one yourself', or 'how can you attack a drug user unless you tried it yourself'. Your tone is typical of ultra defensive religious control freaks who have been sold on the Bible. You know it possible NOT to folow ANY religion and be a good Human being, are you saying that I am damned for following this way of life?.Tell me, what will your , or any, Saviour make of me?.

Truth be told....


You can LOVE something without hating something else...

Prince will be Prince... he is but human and will love and hate what he likes...

If you are easily offended by him or his music... find something else...

Alexandernvrmind said:[quote]

vinx98 said:

1) & 2)You have a choice to believe it or not. Who forces you? My old christian friends, my teachers, my parents, my church He was important.How do you really know that? Even if you don't believe he is the savior of the world everyone knows that he helped people, the sick, the poor, the homeless. There are lots of people who are kind and help, doesnt mean I pray to them His teaching tell Christians how they are to be. A life style. So its not OK to be gay or have sex with your girlfriend or use a condom then?? thats reasonable way of life? Way of living. What to eat and not to eat.Can we eat bananas?What To honor thy mother and father, don't lie or murder of course if I wasnt a christian Id tell my parents to get fucked and kill people, be generous and humble, and forgive. only christians are capable of doing all this right? I could go on Im sure you could . And again even if you don't believe that he is the savior how in the heck could you find him offensive. Its not really him, but the people that made him into a religion He was everything that "we" aren't. I am not someone who takes drugs, so he must be then, because he is everything we arent?? We should strive to be like him regardless of if your a Christian or not.We should all strive to be GOOD people, I agree.

3) more ignorance Mohammed and Budah were saviors? maybe not, who gives a shit, I know that Jesus isnt the answer Gosh man if your against something at least know what your talking about and understand what your agaist I know a lot about christianity

4) You think we need religion to have war? There is no doubt about what you say man constantly abuses information and power to get what he wants. Religion has been used as tool of manipulation to justify a lot of things. I agree However do you believe that human beings need religion to be "evil" let alone start a war. It would narrow down the excuses if it wasnt there right? For every war you name started in the name of religion I can name 10 more that weren't. So there would be less wars if there werent religion? For every murder that happened in the name of religion I can name 100 OK NAME THEM THEN that didn't and happened because people lack boundaries and belief and fear of consequences and/or authority. The issue is man...not a religion. If all wars are started by man in the name of religion, and you say that Christians try to be like christ, dont you think Christ has failed in his objective?

5) and lastly I'm sorry there are right and wrong answers, there moral structures and supports and boundaries...life is not about everything goes and do whatever you want...not without consequences anyhow

we truly are in the last days....and imagine the battle what battle?likely will start in Europe a place now brimming with young islamic fanatical angry middle eastern men who would love nothing better than to kill spectacularly while old Europe believes in absolutely nothing I dont get your point here

Flowerz said:

pplrain said:

I dont hate anyone (if your referring to what I wrote).. I do however, love you and your sexy eyes....

vinx98 said:

Ooooooh! Thank-you!

funkyhead said:

yes I do. I have been offended since Rainbow Children. I was there at Paisley when we all listened to cd before it's release. I miss when Prince was just a Christian. When he joined JW - all other religions and groups became ...incorrect. Naysayers. Not very Christian like. JW has way too many rules and stuff. I have 2 sons that have bleeding disorders (Hemophilia). There is some stupid law 0r rule about blood and doctors and transfusions or something like that...either way, that left my confused, christian ass not apart of his exclusive realm. JW's are so cult-like, forgive my ignorance if I am wrong. What I heard from P at Paisley that day, in that hot ass room, was loosely translated to me as "join me in truth or I won't love/accept you" and I don't need those kind of fans....i know it's emotinally immature, but pure

anniechristian1 said:

Yes i feel the same.

I couldnt care less about his faith to be completely honest..he is a musician and he releases music, i dont feel i have the right to criticise his beliefs, or anyone elses for that matter. I can see why some people MIGHT be offended by his religious references though.

I can careless when he peppers the new music with that bullshit!!

Just make sure you have a guitar solo in there somewhere in the song

I ignore all that horseshit, just looking for the medley/guitar

"My old christian friends, my teachers, my parents, my church" - tried to teach you a way to live? No! Your kidding! What is so unique about that? Poor you your church, teacher, friends and parents tried to influence you. Wow that is so unique...that doesn't happen every day in the world. People arent influenced by their families, organizations, cultural beliefs, religion, etc...


You still have a choice. And clearly you have made the choice not to believe. No one is beating you over the head! Christians have a way to live. The rules of christianity are there just like cultural rules, society rules etc... Its a way of life of being. Its not just words. If you want to be Gay then be Gay but according to Chrisianity it is not advisable for a number of reasons. Would you like to discuss those also? Heck we can leave religion out of it and I can explain to you scientifically why being gay is abnormal. Then again you are so confused that you probably can't even acknowledge that being gay is "not normal" You probably can't even bring yourself to say that. Lets leave religion out for a minute. Look up the word normal and tell me why Gay ...that is being with someone of the same sex would not be considered abnormal behavior?

This whole conversationn is silly and so is you lack of intellectual depth. You sound like a child who has rebelled against their parents
[Edited 7/26/07 16:21pm]

Alexandernvrmind said:

i think you opened a whole can of worms here. I used to be as narrow minded as you but then i grew up. Your lack of tollerance is another example of why Religion is so devisive. Tell me will your 'God' 'forgive' a Gay man for loving another of the same sex or will they have to admit it was abnormal before entry into Heaven is gained?.

funkyhead said:

oh goodness stop with the melodrama will you. Is it normal or not/ You got your panties in such a wad over the word normal that you can't even acknowledge that I'm right. Look up the word normal and then tell me if engaging in a homosexual act or relationship for that matter would normal? If you want to live in some cubby hole and not be able to talk about things honestly and openly then you do that but this conversation is for big boys and girls. Narrow minded? Lack of tollerance? Where am I being narrow minded or lacking tolerance.

As for your question regarding entry into heaven participating in a homosexual act is not considered advisable according to most people other than those who participate in them. I don't care if your black, white, religious, agnostic, purple green or blue...not sure why you would want to blame religious people christian or otherwise for the general distaste for homosexual behavior. What you think Hitler killed the Jews, Gays, metally handicapped, and political opponents in the name of God?

Doesn't sound like you grew-up at all...sounds to me that you fell into the world and loss any sense of common sense
[Edited 7/26/07 18:57pm]

Alexandernvrmind said:

Hey I happen to think that being gay is normal, I am a homosexual and proud of it, I am happy to say that I love being gay and it is as normal as anything to me. To anyone who thinks its not normal, then what is normal? If most people in the world are white, does it mean being black is abnormal? What is abnormal in being diasabled or being a jew? Does this make Prince abnormal, considering he grew up in Minneapolis being predominantly white? That he is a closet homo (I know one when I see one) but cant come out because he wants to go to Heaven? Come on Prince! Come out! Let someone poke you up the ass, you know you want it! Beleive me, it would feel SOOOOO good!!

vinx98 said:

Wow, you're really bitter. And the statements in bold are just as brow-beating as the statements you claim to have been subjected to.

Moonbeam said:

I guess I was a little bitter that day, Im much better now (its Friday ).. If you look at the question, I wanted to make sure that I REALLY answered his question so that he was under no illusions where I stood ...

This has to be THE most over-discussed issue, almost more than the music. Let Prince worry about his spirituality.

TheMatrix said:

Co-sign, i mean who really cares anymore... Just be glad he is still recording, christ...

TheMatrix said:

That's nothing to do with religion.

Prince trys to force his religion on people and alienate non-believers. It is disgusting. Keeping your views to yourself is o.k even though i think the views are horrible.

vinx98 said:

BRILLIANT

jimmypageisapedo said:

THE PROBLEM?

Princes main fan base, most of which started to like him in the early 80's grew up loving 1999, PR, Parade, Lovesexy - all highly sexualy explicit records, particularly the excellent Bsides and extended versions, they were cool, dirty, horny, and a real orgy of funk, fun and sex.

The types of fans he attracts are not devout christians, they are easy going loving perverts, just like Prince of the 80's and early 90's. HOW CAN YOU EXPECT THESE SAME PEOPLE TO LISTEN TO WHAT AMOUNTS TO PREACHING THE WORD OF GOD?? It might be "personal growth" for him, but to many fans, myself included, its repulsive.

Alexandernvrmind said:

What a thoroughly bizarre statement.

vinx98 said:

Liking sex is not perverted' it's natural and healthy.

prince is not preaching the word of god. He is preaching from a book filled with hate, prejudice, rape, salvery and violence!

NouveauDance said:

Ok here we go...It is so frustating that people can not deal with reality.

Normal - according with, constituting, or not deviating from a norm, rule, or principle b : conforming to a type, standard, or regular pattern

Now the 1st thing we have to get over if we are going to discuss this any further is the word normal and what it means.


Next question? Whats bizarre is that you would act like wanting to stick your penis into someones pop shoot could be considered anything but unatural or perverted (look that word up)....hmmm abnormal.

And we don't have to talk about the religious or social reasons....lets just talk about the biological, physical & health reasons why that would not be normal. Shall we continue?

jimmypageisapedo said:

Yep, American mouths drop to the floor whenever the truth is spelled out. You just don't get vehement opposition there, christianity is the default. Respect it or risk a whole lot of backlash, being made an outcast and prayed for.

Alexandernvrmind said:

What a thoroughly bizarre reply.

so many lost souls in this place....

Alexandernvrmind said:

are you a latent homosexual? you seem to know a lot about it..