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sosgemini said: robbie williams was never the flavor of the month in the US.
Hey, i won't deny the fact that dude did ok here in the states. Did I dig his music? no.... It was way to prepackaged. But was he the flavor of the month? Yes, he was...luckily it lasted all but a month at the most, and more for the hype of that Rock DJ video than anything else. Just goes to show you that we'll listen to anything once. All I'm saying is that prince is credible enough that if he got major push from a good record label, anything he brings out would gain acceptance in a major way outside of his core audience like us who know what he is capable of anyway. In Robbie's case, it was performance over musicianship. Sad, but true. Luckily, he wasn't the flavor of TWO months. Walking alone in the dark, I see nothing u see
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1nonly said: sosgemini said: robbie williams was never the flavor of the month in the US.
Hey, i won't deny the fact that dude did ok here in the states. Did I dig his music? no.... It was way to prepackaged. But was he the flavor of the month? Yes, he was...luckily it lasted all but a month at the most, and more for the hype of that Rock DJ video than anything else. Just goes to show you that we'll listen to anything once. All I'm saying is that prince is credible enough that if he got major push from a good record label, anything he brings out would gain acceptance in a major way outside of his core audience like us who know what he is capable of anyway. In Robbie's case, it was performance over musicianship. Sad, but true. Luckily, he wasn't the flavor of TWO months. he got listened to because MTV shoved him down the throat of its viewers (I was one at the time). That was unavoidable if you watched the channel at all. Still, the best he could manage was a #41 on the US charts. Even trendy flavors of the month do better than that. I agree that Prince should do better than RW did with heavy promotion. But the music buying public is fickle. [Edited 1/30/06 10:33am] | |
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Pondwater said: 
I'VE GOT THE PURPLE TICKET  All of this excitement is just tooo tooo much 
N the words of a SNL Icon: I AM "VERKLEMPT" PLEASE TALK AMOUNGST YOURSELVES. 
I am quite speechless at the thought of possibly getting a ticket... OK thats only half true. I am  about anything he ends up doing this year.?Cause me and u could have been a work of art
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Universaluv said: 1nonly said: Hey, i won't deny the fact that dude did ok here in the states. Did I dig his music? no.... It was way to prepackaged. But was he the flavor of the month? Yes, he was...luckily it lasted all but a month at the most, and more for the hype of that Rock DJ video than anything else. Just goes to show you that we'll listen to anything once. All I'm saying is that prince is credible enough that if he got major push from a good record label, anything he brings out would gain acceptance in a major way outside of his core audience like us who know what he is capable of anyway. In Robbie's case, it was performance over musicianship. Sad, but true. Luckily, he wasn't the flavor of TWO months. he got listened to because MTV shoved him down the throat of its viewers (I was one at the time). That was unavoidable if you watched the channel at all. Still, the best he could manage was a #41 on the US charts. Even trendy flavors of the month do better than that. I agree that Prince should do better than RW did with heavy promotion. But the music buying public is fickle. [Edited 1/30/06 10:33am] Touche, universaluv...but I find only one flaw, and tell me if you agree with this. This is not an absolute, of course, but wouldn't you agree that most consumers nowaday are fickle, but are not music buying, but rather "performance" buying? If that statement wasn't true, then how the hell could you ever...EVER explain Britney Spears' success? If that isn't a pre-packaged, shove it down your throat, type of gig from MTV, then I don't know what is. Now, imagine this type of forced entertainment collaborating with true talent? Hell, that's the kind of movement that can change people's perspective on what real music is and should be. Walking alone in the dark, I see nothing u see
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Uh oh re:
"We xpected it 2 b leaked online (because everything from Universal gets leaked eventually)." I hope this isn't a sign that Prince may be unhappy with his label - AGAIN. Granted the circumstances are completely different, but nonetheless, he doesn't need public animosity surrounding him again. | |
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1nonly said: Universaluv said: he got listened to because MTV shoved him down the throat of its viewers (I was one at the time). That was unavoidable if you watched the channel at all. Still, the best he could manage was a #41 on the US charts. Even trendy flavors of the month do better than that. I agree that Prince should do better than RW did with heavy promotion. But the music buying public is fickle. [Edited 1/30/06 10:33am] Touche, universaluv...but I find only one flaw, and tell me if you agree with this. This is not an absolute, of course, but wouldn't you agree that most consumers nowaday are fickle, but are not music buying, but rather "performance" buying? If that statement wasn't true, then how the hell could you ever...EVER explain Britney Spears' success? If that isn't a pre-packaged, shove it down your throat, type of gig from MTV, then I don't know what is. Now, imagine this type of forced entertainment collaborating with true talent? Hell, that's the kind of movement that can change people's perspective on what real music is and should be. Debbie Gibson had a career also. Talentless hacks aren't unique to this generation. Neither is the underappreciated musician. Hopefully Prince won't fall into the latter category this year. . [Edited 1/30/06 11:22am] | |
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ontheonevegas said: Universaluv said: Every so often we do something right  .
In the early 90's MTV had pretty much proclaimed that he was the next big thing to hit the US. Specials, interviews, award show performances, the whole nine. He came, we saw, we sent him back. If only we took the same attitude..please take back The Pussycat Dolls..what a pile of steaming shite!..give me Robbie Williams anyday, if you see this guy in concert you would be changing your mind! Yeh he's really TALENTED, what a SINGER, what a SHOWMAN: he that is the PUB SINGER. Shouts at the crowd about are u havin a good time shouts out a few poppy numbers and OH ye Angels (the one the other GUY wrote) swears, poses and fails to impress... please, he is all that is wrong in the manufactured pop that is UK....ignore him USA and stick 2 the MAn... |
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Universaluv said: 1nonly said: Touche, universaluv...but I find only one flaw, and tell me if you agree with this. This is not an absolute, of course, but wouldn't you agree that most consumers nowaday are fickle, but are not music buying, but rather "performance" buying? If that statement wasn't true, then how the hell could you ever...EVER explain Britney Spears' success? If that isn't a pre-packaged, shove it down your throat, type of gig from MTV, then I don't know what is. Now, imagine this type of forced entertainment collaborating with true talent? Hell, that's the kind of movement that can change people's perspective on what real music is and should be. Debbie Gibson had a career also. Talentless hacks aren't unique to this generation. Neither is the underappreciated musician. Hopefully Prince won't fall into the latter category this year. . [Edited 1/30/06 11:22am] I agree and shake your hand universaluv. You have my respects and I must say, you put up a good argument. Props on your debate style. Walking alone in the dark, I see nothing u see
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1nonly said: Universaluv said: Debbie Gibson had a career also. Talentless hacks aren't unique to this generation. Neither is the underappreciated musician. Hopefully Prince won't fall into the latter category this year. . [Edited 1/30/06 11:22am] I agree and shake your hand universaluv. You have my respects and I must say, you put up a good argument. Props on your debate style. The law degree is finally paying off!  | |
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Must Get A Purple Ticket!
I just picture the Purple Ticket sticky thread: Schemes, plots, and tears! At least one orger must get a ticket to report back to the rest of us! I wonder if the ticketholders get to bring a quest? No More Haters on the Internet. |
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the purple ticket thing is a joke: what are the odds that anyone that really deserves to be there will find one? | |
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talk2bill2 said: the purple ticket thing is a joke: what are the odds that anyone that really deserves to be there will find one?
define "deserves"? | |
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Out of all of the hoopla posted, let us just cross our little or big fingers and hope that a tour start in May! Love wins. (Seen on bumpersticker) | |
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Universaluv said: talk2bill2 said: the purple ticket thing is a joke: what are the odds that anyone that really deserves to be there will find one?
define "deserves"? maybe i should have said apprciate it. if it is at all popular i am sure that most of the 7 will go to casual fans who really do not care about going. like the people who joined the NPGMC just to get better seats. | |
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The purple ticket idea is wild! I full-on feel like Charlie. Will it be international?
Even the discussion here, sounds like something from Willy Wonka. What did Oscar Wilde say about life and art again? "We've never been able to pull off a funk number"
"That's becuase we're soulless auttomatons" | |
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1nonly said: Touche, universaluv...but I find only one flaw, and tell me if you agree with this. This is not an absolute, of course, but wouldn't you agree that most consumers nowaday are fickle, but are not music buying, but rather "performance" buying? If that statement wasn't true, then how the hell could you ever...EVER explain Britney Spears' success? If that isn't a pre-packaged, shove it down your throat, type of gig from MTV, then I don't know what is. Now, imagine this type of forced entertainment collaborating with true talent? Hell, that's the kind of movement that can change people's perspective on what real music is and should be. not quite, it was that type of shoving down the throat to a musical audience with expendable income and into that type of music. shove Prince down the throat of 10-15 year old girls and he doesn't get anywhere near those sales. heck, shove Prince down 30 somethings throat and he doesn't get those sales because that market is more fickle and doesn't buy as much music as teenagers. in marketing, you have a target market in which you promote to in a way that they will be receptive to with a product they will be receptive to. while it is a blank slate in which the variable can be changed, you can't look at the results and only change one variable, the music, and expect the same results to the variables that don't coincide. this message brought to you by logic. | |
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CinisterCee said: NPD313 said: • Possible Storytellers from the house...
"I wrote this next song... while pouring syrup on Cat's body..."  | |
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dumbass said: 1nonly said: Touche, universaluv...but I find only one flaw, and tell me if you agree with this. This is not an absolute, of course, but wouldn't you agree that most consumers nowaday are fickle, but are not music buying, but rather "performance" buying? If that statement wasn't true, then how the hell could you ever...EVER explain Britney Spears' success? If that isn't a pre-packaged, shove it down your throat, type of gig from MTV, then I don't know what is. Now, imagine this type of forced entertainment collaborating with true talent? Hell, that's the kind of movement that can change people's perspective on what real music is and should be. not quite, it was that type of shoving down the throat to a musical audience with expendable income and into that type of music. shove Prince down the throat of 10-15 year old girls and he doesn't get anywhere near those sales. heck, shove Prince down 30 somethings throat and he doesn't get those sales because that market is more fickle and doesn't buy as much music as teenagers. in marketing, you have a target market in which you promote to in a way that they will be receptive to with a product they will be receptive to. while it is a blank slate in which the variable can be changed, you can't look at the results and only change one variable, the music, and expect the same results to the variables that don't coincide. - I agree completely...teenagers are usually not sophisticated when it comes to music. They basically want something they can relate to, sing along to the chorus and have fun. They don´t care if the song is well played. I am 31 now, and when I was 15 I didn´t have this sophistication. I liked many bad artists... I just think it´s time for Prince to be well succeeded in the adult marketing. People like Sting, Eric Clapton and Stevie Wonder still sell very well. It would be cool if he got a piece of the pie, without compromising the quality of his music. [Edited 1/30/06 15:22pm] |
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There was a list like this "leaked" before Rave came out and basically none of it happened. I would imagine that how much of this happens depends upon sales success of the album.
The last list didn't include the Purple Ticket which would be awesome but its doubtful any of us would win. | |
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GustavoRibas said: dumbass said: not quite, it was that type of shoving down the throat to a musical audience with expendable income and into that type of music. shove Prince down the throat of 10-15 year old girls and he doesn't get anywhere near those sales. heck, shove Prince down 30 somethings throat and he doesn't get those sales because that market is more fickle and doesn't buy as much music as teenagers. in marketing, you have a target market in which you promote to in a way that they will be receptive to with a product they will be receptive to. while it is a blank slate in which the variable can be changed, you can't look at the results and only change one variable, the music, and expect the same results to the variables that don't coincide. - I agree completely...teenagers are usually not sophisticated when it comes to music. They basically want something they can relate to, sing along to the chorus and have fun. They don´t care if the song is well played. I am 31 now, and when I was 15 I didn´t have this sophistication. I liked many bad artists... I just think it´s time for Prince to be well succeeded in the adult marketing. People like Sting, Eric Clapton and Stevie Wonder still sell very well. It would be cool if he got a piece of the pie, without compromising the quality of his music. [Edited 1/30/06 15:22pm] Look, it sounds as thought my quotes are being taken as statements that are absolute and encompass the mass majority. No, that would be a mistake on your part to read it like that. If you don't raise your hand in class, you're less likely to be called upon to give your answer, right? That's just the way it works. That, in a nutshell was what I was trying to convey. With this new label proposing many avenues of "distribution" or "shoving stuff down people's throat" whatever, it makes the 3121 more consumer friendly by making it more in your face. Ifyou see it advertised through all kinds of venues, you will at least give it a listen to or wonder about it at the very least. That's what prince needs, if the goal is to strive for cd sales. There are alot of things that are being proposed by this current record company. If prince were to go along with it, many others outside his older group of hardcore fans and those who have joined the ranks over the years can actually see what all the hub-bub is about. And there's nothing wrong with that. Look, kids are fickle...but very...and I mean VERY few acts come out of obscurity these days. Mainstream acts might feature them (launching them as it were) and then let the new act fly on it's own. Or they are custom-produced to fit a possibly forseen trend, be it POP, Boy Band, Girl Band, Hard Rock, whatever. Then there's the class that prince is in. He's established, there's no need to establish him with a young group. He music, however, needs to be exposed to teenager. Most teenagers and younger groups will not seek out acts like Prince, it just seems like too much work. Again, I said, MOST and NOT ALL. Of course, for all of us here on the org and for those who listen to his music and appreciate the guy for his talents, the proposal of all these outlets for 3121 is just icing on the cake (not counting an more likely than not tour). But for those who have heard of the guy, but never really dug him or heard his music, then this possible massive push is just what is needed. Walking alone in the dark, I see nothing u see
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1nonly said: Then there's the class that prince is in. He's established, there's no need to establish him with a young group. He music, however, needs to be exposed to teenager. Most teenagers and younger groups will not seek out acts like Prince, it just seems like too much work. Again, I said, MOST and NOT ALL. - Well, I agree also. I became a fan in 93, because I heard the Most Beautiful Girl in the world on the radio (and asked a friend to record some Prince stuff for me), and I would never seek for Prince back then (actually I heavily disliked him). There are some very young orgers here, even some that joined because of the Musicology tour. That´s why I am happy to see that Universal seems to have a nice marketing plan. His music should be exposed. But I still believe they will try to market Prince for the same audience of Sade and Sting, not Britney and Linkin Park. Prince tried to reach this audience on Rave, and we know what happened... |
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GustavoRibas said: 1nonly said: Then there's the class that prince is in. He's established, there's no need to establish him with a young group. He music, however, needs to be exposed to teenager. Most teenagers and younger groups will not seek out acts like Prince, it just seems like too much work. Again, I said, MOST and NOT ALL. - Well, I agree also. I became a fan in 93, because I heard the Most Beautiful Girl in the world on the radio (and asked a friend to record some Prince stuff for me), and I would never seek for Prince back then (actually I heavily disliked him). There are some very young orgers here, even some that joined because of the Musicology tour. That´s why I am happy to see that Universal seems to have a nice marketing plan. His music should be exposed. But I still believe they will try to market Prince for the same audience of Sade and Sting, not Britney and Linkin Park. Prince tried to reach this audience on Rave, and we know what happened... damn 93 huh? I bet SOTT blew you away when you first heard it. | |
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Wowee Wow! I hope this is the right album to do all this promotion for. I hope this is the album that the fans AND the public like. I hope I love it and jam it for my friends when I'm driving and they can't escape. 
Seriously though, it's so great to see Prince perform on TV too. I can't wait for SNL this weekend. I gotta buy something that records TV... Welcome to the Dawn!  | |
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NPD313 said: 3121...more info than you can handle!
UNIVERSAL MUSIC GROUP'S EXPECTATIONS ON PRINCE'S PROMOTIONAL CAMPAIGN FOR THE UPCOMING ALBUM! Radio: 2/7 add date for 'Black Sweat'. Vinyl will be serviced to clubs and mixshows Video: 'Black Sweat' will impact BET, VH1 and MTV mid February • MTV Unplugged from the house and VMA performance from his house via satellite • Making The Video for next single. • Possible Storytellers from the house... New Media: • Never before done retail campaign beg. Feb 7th with 6-week global iTunes pre-order. Digital 'purple ticket' promotion • Mutli-tiered countdown on AOL music kicking off with First listen world premiere of single • Superstar feature placement of 'Black Sweat' video on major online partners including Yahoo! Music, AOL Music,MySpace, Apple iTunes... • Aggressive online promotions campaign hitting music, lifestyle and tastemaker blogs & sites Press: • Targets will include: 60 Minutes, CBS Sunday Morning, Ellen, Good Morning America, Larry King Live, Oprah, SNL, Today Show, Tonight Show • MAJOR '3121' TV Special in progress.... details TBA Marketing: • Heavy media campaign to include major market advertising w/ • TV • radio • Snipes in top 10 markets • Print • Purple Ticket promotion: "An Evening With Prince - A private performance at Prince's house". (7 winning tickets will be inserted into the initial run of CDs.) Tour: Worldwide tour begins in May *** "Nothing is confirmed..." Says Spokesperson of Prince's camp NPGMusicClub. Though they (NPGMC) stated that: This is a "wish list" Universal created and is using on a sales page 2 start taking orders from retail for the new album. We xpected it 2 b leaked online (because everything from Universal gets leaked eventually). But again, "NOTHING is confirmed yet" *** - Says NPGMC www.newpowerdetroit.com www.myspace.com/torjuan Link Up Prince Fams! intersting news to hear.  :yay2  | |
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Universaluv said: 1nonly said: Touche, universaluv...but I find only one flaw, and tell me if you agree with this. This is not an absolute, of course, but wouldn't you agree that most consumers nowaday are fickle, but are not music buying, but rather "performance" buying? If that statement wasn't true, then how the hell could you ever...EVER explain Britney Spears' success? If that isn't a pre-packaged, shove it down your throat, type of gig from MTV, then I don't know what is. Now, imagine this type of forced entertainment collaborating with true talent? Hell, that's the kind of movement that can change people's perspective on what real music is and should be. Debbie Gibson had a career also. Talentless hacks aren't unique to this generation. Neither is the underappreciated musician. Hopefully Prince won't fall into the latter category this year. . [Edited 1/30/06 11:22am] I remember that Debbie Gibson chick played classical piano and produced her own songs as a teenager...She even played live...I never liked that bubblegum shit, but I wouldn't place every young teen idol in the same lump...That chick had some actual talent...Now Ms. Spears, that's a talentless hack...But a fine ass talentless hack... [Edited 1/30/06 21:27pm] | |
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murph said: Universaluv said: Debbie Gibson had a career also. Talentless hacks aren't unique to this generation. Neither is the underappreciated musician. Hopefully Prince won't fall into the latter category this year. . [Edited 1/30/06 11:22am] I remember that Debbie Gibson chick played classical piano and produced her own songs as a teenager...She even played live...I never liked that bubblegum shit, but I wouldn't place every young teen idol in the same lump...That chick had some actual talent...Now Ms. Spears, that's a talentless hack...But a fine ass talentless hack... [Edited 1/30/06 21:27pm]  | |
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CinisterCee said: NPD313 said: • Possible Storytellers from the house...
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SammiJ said: Milty said: i doubt that half of that stuff will even happen!
PARTY POOP!  '..and that sez whaaa?' - Under The Cherry Moon (1986) © Warner Bros   I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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dumbass said: not quite, it was that type of shoving down the throat to a musical audience with expendable income and into that type of music. shove Prince down the throat of 10-15 year old girls and he doesn't get anywhere near those sales. heck, shove Prince down 30 somethings throat and he doesn't get those sales because that market is more fickle and doesn't buy as much music as teenagers. All this "throat-shoving" is making me uncomfortable.  | |
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JUST TO SEE PRINCE IN CONCERT AGAIN WOULD MAKE ALL THIS SHIT TALKING WELL IT!!!!!  | |
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