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PrintableDiamondGirl said: neronava said: I called you retarded because the post is called "Who puts on a better show than Prince & why?". U said MJ...Now MJ as far as I remember doesn't put on any show period. Now Prince has been actively touring for the last 25 years, and last year had one of the most successful tours of the year (and his career). Now you said MJ, right?. And you claimed the bad tour. But that was almost 20 years ago. Now I called you retarded because how can a tour from almost 20 years compete with Prince who is still killing at concerts today. Hence my Elvis reference. Are we talking currently, or in the history of music...what? I thought we were talking about today, on planet earth, this time period. It is subjective...absolutely, but saying MJ is out of context. MJ hasn't toured the states in what 10-15 years? Also you said "MJ made thriller"...well that's great & good. But that was over 20 years ago. Plus-have you ever attended a Prince concert? Apparently the best show you've seen was a MJ show on TV. Now again-that's not really in context. I've seen Miles Davis concerts on TV, but I can't say that was one of the best shows...because-well I WASN'T THERE. Looked/sounded great. But to experience a show you have to feel the energy in the room.
Artists like: Prince, & Bowie stay relevent, current, rich, & fresh is because they tour and rework there old material. Sure David Bowie still plays Ziggy from almost 30 years ago-but he has accumulated new material, new fans, a new perspective, new musicians. And he (like PRINCE) has consistently done great shows (although some of those 80's bowie tours were weak). So to sum this up: I don't think MJ is relevent, i think he's a has been, and has really milked the media, and recording industry for attention with his past accomplishments. Although MJ has done some amazing, and un-touchable things in the recording industry: his time has past, any of his future tours (& endeavors) will fail, and that's if he even ever tours again. Apparently if he has any pressure (like court for molesting children) he is apparently too sickly or addicted to drugs to rise to the occasion. So I don't think the guy could even finish a tour-if we're to believe he is/was unhealthy as he is. So yeah...thats why I called you retarded. It's all subjective your right...but other then that your wrong (hahaha) Nero Spot on. Bowie and Prince because they just have...presence" added to the talent. Damn...I'm a Prince fan, and I know this is a Prince site, but isn't this all about opinion...I don't think there's a statute of limitations on what concerts are eligible for discussion...If I was over 60, I would probably name James Brown as an artist that has given better shows than Prince. Now just because the man can barely move around on the stage today doesn't mean he shouldn't be in the discussion. And the same goes for MJ...It doesn't matter if the man is a joke today... MJ has given some truely legendary shows and it's not absurd for him to be brought into the discussion. If i had a choice of attending a Prince or a MJ concert while they were both in their prime I would choose Prince because that's my personal preference...But you can't dismiss anyone on thise site who picks Mike....I mean, I went to the Triumph Tour (not the sloppy Victory tour) and it was an awesome show, without all the dancers and bells and whistles...Just Mike with his Brothers tearing up the stage on some great material including songs from Off The Wall and Triumph. Hey, we call alot of the MJ fans obsessed nuts....Let's practice what we preach! Let people have their own opinions on a topic that is truely subjective...I mean you didn't hear the guy say that Yanni gave a better show than Prince (LOL).... | |
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murph said: DiamondGirl said: Spot on. Bowie and Prince because they just have...presence" added to the talent. Damn...I'm a Prince fan, and I know this is a Prince site, but isn't this all about opinion...I don't think there's a statute of limitations on what concerts are eligible for discussion...If I was over 60, I would probably name James Brown as an artist that has given better shows than Prince. Now just because the man can barely move around on the stage today doesn't mean he shouldn't be in the discussion. And the same goes for MJ...It doesn't matter if the man is a joke today... MJ has given some truely legendary shows and it's not absurd for him to be brought into the discussion. If i had a choice of attending a Prince or a MJ concert while they were both in their prime I would choose Prince because that's my personal preference...But you can't dismiss anyone on thise site who picks Mike....I mean, I went to the Triumph Tour (not the sloppy Victory tour) and it was an awesome show, without all the dancers and bells and whistles...Just Mike with his Brothers tearing up the stage on some great material including songs from Off The Wall and Triumph. Hey, we call alot of the MJ fans obsessed nuts....Let's practice what we preach! Let people have their own opinions on a topic that is truely subjective...I mean you didn't hear the guy say that Yanni gave a better show than Prince (LOL).... I agree. The Triumph tour was THE tour to be topped. I just forgot it was so long ago that Ive underappreciated it all these years. Only the 1999 tour has come close to it (tied). However in context Im sure JB also did a helluva show. I guess we are talking overall in-their-prime elements or should consider that. Hell we are missing some awesome EW&F shows, some quiet Concret Blonde shows, and more! | |
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I wouldn't say "better" but I would say on par with Prince is Kiss  yes I'm a Kiss fan so I'm biased but even if you're not a Kiss fan they put on an incredible show  | |
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Springsteen.
You get your money's worth in more than just the length of the show (usually approx. 3 hrs.). His concerts run the gamut of emotions, taking a very hard look at life, but - ultimately - finding cause for hope. His sets are immaculately tailored and he changes up the setlist from night to night. You'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll wonder at the man's energy and you'll leave wanting to go back the very next night. He's currently touring solo and that's a very different experience (just the man with acoustic guitar and piano, with much more talk), but equally rewarding. |
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sosgemini said: sitruk7 said: Why?
help us expand our minds....im jazzed about these parkay guys after all that vainandy has been saying about em.....i like these types of threads..it opens me up to new (to me) talent. "parkay" 
and you don't know about the bar-kays? ohhhh man...good stuff, maynard!  | |
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vainandy said: The Bar-Kays.....
These guys have been around since the 1960s and they still turn it out. Larry Dodson, the lead singer, shoots fire from his hands and comes out with a python snake. They truly live up to their song "Freakshow On The Dance Floor". Hey Vain, are the Barkays still touring? I haven't seen them before, I was a little too young in their hey day. "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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neronava said: Now you said MJ, right?. And you claimed the bad tour. But that was almost 20 years ago. Now I called you retarded because how can a tour from almost 20 years compete with Prince who is still killing at concerts today.
Has it been that long???  "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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prodigalfan said:
Hey Vain, are the Barkays still touring? I haven't seen them before, I was a little too young in their hey day. They sure are. I saw them about three or four weeks ago and they still put on a hell of a show. Larry Dodson and James Alexander are the only two members from the 1970s and 1980s Bar-Kays still in the band (the original Bar-Kays, who were Otis Redding's backup band, were killed in a plane crash in the 1960s). The rest of the band are replacements but they do a great job. Larry is still wild as hell with blonde hair. He still used the fire and the snake.  Andy is a four letter word. | |
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jasonstar said: Michael Jackson
Before you start throwing stuff at me - let me explain. Now not his HIStory Tour or even his 30th Anniversary Special..those were alright but those aren't what I'm talking about. I think Michael is one of those artists who is fantastic to watch live (like I'm sure Prince is.) However..his "Bad" tour..wow. I didn't go to it but dang, just watching the taped performances show how great it was. I wish I could have been there. That was MAGIC. But I'm sure there is an awesome Prince concert that would make a close second. (IMO) I too, saw Michael during the Dangerous World Tour, and I've seen Prince four times. Once in'93, then in '97 and twice last year. I realize that this is only subjective, but Prince IMOP wins hands down because he's the FULL Package. His showstopping moves rivals James and Michael. His musicianship just phenomenal! When you can carry a sell-out crowd, who stood up from their seats during the entire shows, to a frenzy by just playing an acoustic guitar and singing ALONE, that's the REAL DEAL, as fellow genius Stevie Wonder who go on to say. His underrated guitar skills rival that of Hendrix and Santana. His overall artistry rivals Aretha, Joni Mitchell, Marvin, Miles, and Coltrane. Plus his showman ship rivals that of Madonna, in certain respects! I'm an open-minded guy who has watched everyone from Bon Jovi to Al Green, from the Dixie Chicks to Public Enemy, Beastie Boys, Outkast, George Strait, to B.B. King and many more. All are outstanding artists in their own right, but to me, Prince is to music what Michal Jordan was to basketball! Just can't beat it! |
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MidnightFunk said: The Time puts on an equal show IMHO....and sometimes BETTER....
 yeah, I said it!!! When, they had all the original members it was like good sex from start to finish. | |
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I won't say better, because it would be comparing apples and oranges, but there are a few others that come to mind when discussing great shows.
I agree about Sade. That show was one of the most enojyable I've been to. The band was amazing, the vibe was groovy, laid back and classy, the staging was wonderful. Very enjoyable. But I'd add Peter Gabriel to the list. Talk about showmanship! His sets are amazing (Secret World Tour), his musicians are top notch, great energy and creativity. And then there's Pink Floyd. It's an experience you'll never forget. The music is great, I don't mean to belittle that aspect at all, but the SHOW is mesmerizing. Who else can set a mood like they do? The light show is perfect in compliment to the music. Plus you have planes crashing into the side of the stadium. Pigs flying out of the screen toward you. Gabriel, Pink Floyd and Prince. If a show is announced, there's no question that I'll be there -- no matter the cost -- because I know I'm guaranteed to get my money's worth and more. I've gone to find myself. If I should return before I get back, keep me here. | |
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HalluRain said: I won't say better, because it would be comparing apples and oranges, but there are a few others that come to mind when discussing great shows.
I agree about Sade. That show was one of the most enojyable I've been to. The band was amazing, the vibe was groovy, laid back and classy, the staging was wonderful. Very enjoyable. But I'd add Peter Gabriel to the list. Talk about showmanship! His sets are amazing (Secret World Tour), his musicians are top notch, great energy and creativity. And then there's Pink Floyd. It's an experience you'll never forget. The music is great, I don't mean to belittle that aspect at all, but the SHOW is mesmerizing. Who else can set a mood like they do? The light show is perfect in compliment to the music. Plus you have planes crashing into the side of the stadium. Pigs flying out of the screen toward you. Gabriel, Pink Floyd and Prince. If a show is announced, there's no question that I'll be there -- no matter the cost -- because I know I'm guaranteed to get my money's worth and more. Definitely Pink Floyd and Gabriel. Gabriel's Womad tour was off the hook. Also, you need to add Bowie. | |
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Hotlegs said: HalluRain said: I won't say better, because it would be comparing apples and oranges, but there are a few others that come to mind when discussing great shows.
I agree about Sade. That show was one of the most enojyable I've been to. The band was amazing, the vibe was groovy, laid back and classy, the staging was wonderful. Very enjoyable. But I'd add Peter Gabriel to the list. Talk about showmanship! His sets are amazing (Secret World Tour), his musicians are top notch, great energy and creativity. And then there's Pink Floyd. It's an experience you'll never forget. The music is great, I don't mean to belittle that aspect at all, but the SHOW is mesmerizing. Who else can set a mood like they do? The light show is perfect in compliment to the music. Plus you have planes crashing into the side of the stadium. Pigs flying out of the screen toward you. Gabriel, Pink Floyd and Prince. If a show is announced, there's no question that I'll be there -- no matter the cost -- because I know I'm guaranteed to get my money's worth and more. Definitely Pink Floyd and Gabriel. Gabriel's Womad tour was off the hook. Also, you need to add Bowie.I've never seen Bowie live, just a few snippets on satellite. Never been a big fan, mainly because I've never taken the time to investigate his catalog. But I respect his artistry if only from a longevity perspective. I've gone to find myself. If I should return before I get back, keep me here. | |
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Yes, Gabriel's Secret World was amazing. Rush puts on a great show...but Musicology was really spectacular. I've seen P many times but I really liked this one. He's without peer.
Saw Nappy Roots the other night. Terrible when they're imitating Outkast ("Rewind"? How about "Eject"!) but acceptable otherwise. | |
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Having seen Lovesexy back in the day I'll give prince his due, that was a show that I didnt think could ever be topped, it was an incredible event; a moment of my life.
Though I have to say that Dolly Parton, Yes Dolly almost held her own against him when I saw her at the house of blues a couple yrs back. That lil lady, and i mean all 5 ft of her, held the audience in her hand from the moment she walked on stage. Make all the fun you want bout her jugs, but that lady can sing and write one helluva song. Another top performancd that rivaled Prince was Melissa Etheridge. When I went to see her also at the house of blues, I was expecting an indie folkys granola lesbian campfire show. Man, was I in for a surprise. She Wailed and Rocked that place. Her voice filled that hall and no one wasnt effected. She played i think for almost 3 1/2 hours and by the end my voice was gone and i was hoping that she would just end the show so I could go outside catch my breath and have a beer with my friend and talk bout one of the best, if not the best shows i had ever seen. The next day I went out and bought almost she had put out. If any of you get a chance to catch either of these talented ladies dont even think maybe for a secong Go and see a show that will stay with you for a long long time. The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything. |
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vainandy said: prodigalfan said:
Hey Vain, are the Barkays still touring? I haven't seen them before, I was a little too young in their hey day. They sure are. I saw them about three or four weeks ago and they still put on a hell of a show. Larry Dodson and James Alexander are the only two members from the 1970s and 1980s Bar-Kays still in the band (the original Bar-Kays, who were Otis Redding's backup band, were killed in a plane crash in the 1960s). The rest of the band are replacements but they do a great job. Larry is still wild as hell with blonde hair. He still used the fire and the snake. I hope they come to Detroit. I would love to see them. In fact now that I think about it, I remember a few years ago, they were performing with Confunkshun (sp?) That would be a great show. "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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I've never seen P. The boots are amazing, Signs was awesome, but the Aladdin show was average. You gotta be there. I've enjoyed others on tape more, but's that's tape. | |
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MJ puts on a good show but is limited bcuz he can't play. P can wow a crowd with dancing,singing, or playing multiple instruments! And P also communicates 2 his crowd better. Now i will say that i've seen the TIME,Cameo,ZAPP,and the P-FUNK ALLstars blow me away and leave me just as high as a P concert. But if i had 1 choice it would b Prince! U,ME,WE!....2FUNKY! | |
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Smittyrock70 said: jasonstar said: Michael Jackson
Before you start throwing stuff at me - let me explain. Now not his HIStory Tour or even his 30th Anniversary Special..those were alright but those aren't what I'm talking about. I think Michael is one of those artists who is fantastic to watch live (like I'm sure Prince is.) However..his "Bad" tour..wow. I didn't go to it but dang, just watching the taped performances show how great it was. I wish I could have been there. That was MAGIC. But I'm sure there is an awesome Prince concert that would make a close second. (IMO) I too, saw Michael during the Dangerous World Tour, and I've seen Prince four times. Once in'93, then in '97 and twice last year. I realize that this is only subjective, but Prince IMOP wins hands down because he's the FULL Package. His showstopping moves rivals James and Michael. His musicianship just phenomenal! When you can carry a sell-out crowd, who stood up from their seats during the entire shows, to a frenzy by just playing an acoustic guitar and singing ALONE, that's the REAL DEAL, as fellow genius Stevie Wonder who go on to say. His underrated guitar skills rival that of Hendrix and Santana. His overall artistry rivals Aretha, Joni Mitchell, Marvin, Miles, and Coltrane. Plus his showman ship rivals that of Madonna, in certain respects! I'm an open-minded guy who has watched everyone from Bon Jovi to Al Green, from the Dixie Chicks to Public Enemy, Beastie Boys, Outkast, George Strait, to B.B. King and many more. All are outstanding artists in their own right, but to me, Prince is to music what Michal Jordan was to basketball! Just can't beat it! ----- "Prince is to music what Michal Jordan was to basketball!" That is what I usually tell people. Right now he is really at the top of his game. | |
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"Better" is so subjective, but I have enjoyed Bruce Springsteen in concert probably as much as I have Prince. | |
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Ha Ha Ha!
Its simple - why you all arguing about Prince and MJ??? I saw MJ on the Bad tour (awesome) and have seen Prine countless times since.....but let me ask you this... If the crowd was in a weird mood that night and liked some stuff more than others who could react to that? Who could give the crowd what they wanted? Who's band is always so tight they could do a 2 hour jam at Brixton Academy (supposed to be a full "proper" concert)? Prince obviously. Ask MJ to split from his set list just one - he'd be FU***D!!!  | |
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jasonstar said: Michael Jackson
Before you start throwing stuff at me - let me explain. Now not his HIStory Tour or even his 30th Anniversary Special..those were alright but those aren't what I'm talking about. I think Michael is one of those artists who is fantastic to watch live (like I'm sure Prince is.) However..his "Bad" tour..wow. I didn't go to it but dang, just watching the taped performances show how great it was. I wish I could have been there. That was MAGIC. But I'm sure there is an awesome Prince concert that would make a close second. (IMO) I was there, only a few days after seeing Prince (Lovesexy) and there was no comparison. Watching MJ was just like watching his videos; same clothes, dances etc. As for artist/audience interaction, all MJ ever said was 'I love you'. In terms of musicianship, he didn't even dare approach a tamborine. It was a good pop show, but nothing more. The Prince concert on the other hand was by far the best live show I've ever been to. Passion, fun, shocks, outstanding musicianship, and unlike any other show. All the press here said the same, as all compared the two 'rivals' shows. 'Wacko Jacko Gets The Sacko' was one memorable headline. Have to say that though she doesn't have MJ's talent, Madonna's Blonde Ambition show the next year was better than Michael's too. | |
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Hotlegs said: MidnightFunk said: The Time puts on an equal show IMHO....and sometimes BETTER....
yeah, I said it!!! When, they had all the original members it was like good sex from start to finish.Hotlegs, u and I gotta talk more, we always have the same opinions.... | |
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And its not a matter of better i just know that when i go see these maestros my life gets better for those hrs they jam it out..btw got my Stones tix today for the SF gig at SBC ... sweeetttt.. ; )
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MidnightFunk said: Hotlegs said: When, they had all the original members it was like good sex from start to finish.Hotlegs, u and I gotta talk more, we always have the same opinions....  | |
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sosgemini said: and im gonna say something that might earn a lot of flack but Bette Midler puts on an awesome show too....totally different then Prince but I was equally entertained.. I taped a Bette Midler concert from the tv years ago and I have to agree with you it was Fantanstic. I watched it over and over, fantastic costume changes, pure comedic performance topped off with a fuckin' great voice. I think I'll have to have a look through my old vcr tapes to see if it's still there. p.s. in answer to the question though it's still Prince for me. Some people are like Slinkies...
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My sister hates Prince, but still thought it was the best concert she ever saw, so I'd agree that right now Prince is the best live performer.
In the 90's when Prince used more taped stuff, he fell off a bit, so I'd say that The Red Hot Chillie Peppers were the best live performers. All you others say Hell Yea!!  | |
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Living Colour play a kick ass show. All you others say Hell Yea!! | |
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Neil Finn. Much more banter (and without the pretense), and some really solid tunes. When he ventures off, he's liable to do everything from jazz standards to Crowded House obscurities.
Really great show. | |
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