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PrintableOldFriends4Sale said:
Agree with what?! are we talking about the Purple Rain deluxe or the 1999 album/videos?
please please please help me to understand that you do know the Automatic video was on the 1982 '1999' double album release not the 1984 Purple Rain soundtrack release we might have to take that 'purple' out of your id/name lol and send you to purple school:purple music 101
The Purple Rain deluxe that they were asked about had nothing to do with 1999 I mean Laurarichardson got you off track quick lol
OF4S the bolded is what I'm agreeing with. How could they forget her. She had been around before PR. Making fun of my name is not necessary. It is not expertpurplefam after all. Thx! [Edited 9/5/17 18:12pm] [Edited 9/5/17 18:15pm] | |
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OldFriends4Sale said:
Yet Lisa & Wendy prior to Prince's death in 2016 pay compliment to Jill on their FB page . Stop Laurarichardson, please just stop.
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This is what I feel about the situation. The initial credit beef is with Prince, but now that she is bringing it up they should kindly address it and try to make it right. The most current issue I can align it with is ( and this is more harsh)
But it is the issue with the confederate statues coming down. It wasn't right to have those symbols before and ignore what they represented to many people, but we have the duty now to make it right. Just because the non crediting was done under Princes watch doesn't exempt us/them from making things right. They should make it right. That is human kindness, that is the right thing to do. No matter how poorly one thinks Jill is going about it. we should help make it right. My thoughts. [Edited 9/5/17 18:41pm] | |
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purplefam99 said: This is what I feel about the situation. The initial credit beef is with Prince, but now that she is bringing it up they should kindly address it and try to make it right. The most current issue I can align it with is ( and this is more harsh) But it is the issue with the confederate statues coming down. It wasn't right to have those symbols before and ignore what they represented to many people, but we have the duty now to make it right. Just because the non crediting was done under Princes watch doesn't exempt us/them from making things right. They should make it right. That is human kindness, that is the right thing to do. No matter how poorly one thinks Jill is going about it. we should help make it right. My thoughts. [Edited 9/5/17 18:41pm] Thank you. Why is it so hard for people on this board to admit that W&L could do the right think and just give Jill a shout out? Try doing this today and you orgers can stop going on about last year. Making sure someone is not near you at an event is not being nice. All the cheerleading and cup caking will not change anything of these facts. Pretending that W&L may not remember her contributions is absurd. | |
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Do you remember when you said Jill's singing suxed?
http://prince.org/msg/5/186817
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laurarichardson said: purplefam99 said: This is what I feel about the situation. The initial credit beef is with Prince, but now that she is bringing it up they should kindly address it and try to make it right. The most current issue I can align it with is ( and this is more harsh) But it is the issue with the confederate statues coming down. It wasn't right to have those symbols before and ignore what they represented to many people, but we have the duty now to make it right. Just because the non crediting was done under Princes watch doesn't exempt us/them from making things right. They should make it right. That is human kindness, that is the right thing to do. No matter how poorly one thinks Jill is going about it. we should help make it right. My thoughts. [Edited 9/5/17 18:41pm] Thank you. Why is it so hard for people on this board to admit that W&L could do the right think and just give Jill a shout out? Try doing this today and you orgers can stop going on about last year. Making sure someone is not near you at an event is not being nice. All the cheerleading and cup caking will not change anything of these facts. Pretending that W&L may not remember her contributions is absurd. You mean like how Lisa brings up her singing contributions in her interview on the Purple Rain reissue? Is that what you mean? The thing that actually happened? | |
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Why does Wendy and Lisa have to give her a shout out? They don't have to do crap, and why is Jill so needy that she needs a shout out from them? | |
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Ooops, there.it.is. | |
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Well they are not doing crap and I doubt that will change. It is my opinion and I am allowed to have it. | |
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I actually do not care for her as a singer however, I do not think she should get credit for her work and I do not think she is wrong to point out being left out. My opinion. We have to agree to disagree | |
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Well they are not doing crap and I doubt that will change. It is my opinion and I am allowed to have it. If she really wants them to go to bat for her, she should probably insult them on social media less. There's no way she expects them to stand up and shout about her contributions. I don't want to say that the industry is a game, but it's certainly about relationships and personal/professional reputation. Even if you're great at your craft, if you're less than polite to the wrong person, people aren't going to work with you. If you can't stand a person, keep it to yourself and play nice. The absolute best trait you can have in this industry IMO is letting something go so you can get what you want. It's not The Revolution's job to make sure credits are correct. It was WB's. Rev probably didn't even see the final product until after it was pressed. No going back and making corrections then! Lisa literally says that Jill sang on the record in her liner notes story. That's probably the most she could do as far as having sway. If nothing else, it gives people who read it an indication that Jill is all over the record. What else could you expect from people? If someone talked about me the way Jill does about The Revolution, I probably wouldn't take it as well as Rev is taking it. As in ignoring it and trying to avoid her (and potential confrontations) instead of lashing back. And seeing how Jill talks about them, do you think she even wants them to, I don't even know, stand up for her I guess? | |
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Why do they have to do anything where Jill is concerned? Why should they be expected to? | |
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So you don't think she should get credit for her work, but you don't think she is wrong to point out, being left out?? | |
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what bolded part? . again, what does the 1999 album have to do with the Purple Rain deluxe? the 1999 album/videos have nothing to do with the Purple Rain deluxe that we are talking about. . btw I'm just messing with you, don't take it serious, I trying to understand why Laurarichardson mixed in a 1999 era video and why U are furthering that which has absolutely nothing to do with the Purple Rain era/album deluxe
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Stay in line with why I replied that to Laurarichardson purplefam99. . It is not the Revolutions job to 'give credit' . Laurarichardson said "Lisa cannot remember Jill to bring her up" I said if that is the case they why did she post on their FB page I
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Jill, she is not wasted talent, she still makes music.
But it isn't the Revolutions responsibility.
That agreement was with Prince since 1983/84 - Her contract and deal was with Prince via WB
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It was also your opinion that JJ had no PRIDE having sex with Prince in bathrooms
http://prince.org/msg/5/53632 post #24
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That is true as well. Just because I do not agree with her sexual behavior it does not mean she should not receive credit for her work. Oh I do not give Prince a pass he was a straight dog with the bathroom smashing and lesibian watching. That is a whole different topic. | |
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It for sure is NOT their responsibility, but sometimes it is ok to TAKE IT. Like i said in regards to the confederate statues, people are assuming some responsiblity now, this bodes well for me as a human, so i leans towards that suggestion, but it is ultimately up to them and how they feel about karma or whatever they want to call it. | |
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The only reason this turmoil exists is because Prince did 90% of his recorded music (produced, arranged, written, performed, composed by one man). Now his associates are fighting for the scraps of credit leftovers. And The Org started this nonsense with the W&L bullshit over the years. | |
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The elavation of W&L contributions is the root cause of the whole thing. | |
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Well let's put this into perspective. Prince passed away April 2016. There was never a problem prior to that. Never. Lisa herself has 'given credit' to Jill being on a few songs that were mentioned here like Take Me With U and Baby I'm a Star (for the longest people believed that Take Me With U was just Prince and Apollonia, when the reality was Prince the Revolution and JJ was on that song) I would have never known about. Sheila E never talked about anything JJ did on her albums, the Time never talked about anything(that I can recall) JJ has done on their albums. the albums Lisa Coleman performed on were never 'her' albums. They were Prince's albums. Lisa Coleman as we've stated prior, cannot be expected to give credit, when she might not even know about JJ being on some things. As Apollonia did not even know JJ or Lisa sang on the song. . Let's leave the Confederate stuff out of this, I don't get the correlation nor the comparison. . And as CrimesofParis said (read their post) If out of no where JJ starts cursing them out and shitting on them for, why would they feel any obligation to do or say anything? If someone did that to you how likely are you to pat someone on the back? Sorry if my mother cursed me out like that I would never mention her name again until she apologized openly and talked to me 1 on 1 to clear things up. . Like I said, I'm all for JJ getting credit, but it is not the Revolutions responsibility. She signed away on things with Prince via WB. She just needs to respectfully communicate thru the proper channels. . So how does Karma fit in in connection to Prince? Because again it is technically and literally about Prince & JJ. How does Karma kick back on JJ by publically cursing out and bad talking the Revolution?
. It is my hope that 'time heals...' that a little more distance from Prince's passing that she and WB are able to rerelease her album, and that they take more time in preparing further album re-releases communicating with as many people involved as possible.
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No it isn't the root of anything. Purple Rain and all the album JJ performed on Prince or proteges is about Prince & JJ that is the root. | |
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It's not up to anybody to make it right. It's not W&L, or the revs responsibility to make sure Jill gets credit. If WB or Prince didn't give her credit, it is surely not anybody elses responsibility.
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It's not up to anybody to make it right. It's not W&L, or the revs responsibility to make sure Jill gets credit. If WB or Prince didn't give her credit, it is surely not anybody elses responsibility.
I feel like I remember Wendy or Lisa talking about Prince and his way of giving credit, and they said that they were young and trusted him to do right by them. But if they had been more savvy, they would have done more to protect themselves (for lack of a better word). Coming from people who grew up in the industry, that's shocking. If anyone should have known better at that age, it was them. And Jill, actually, having family in the industry. Why didn't someone tell her to keep tabs on her credit? Then again, back then it wasn't so uncommon for background singers to not get due credit. That doesn't make it right, just normal. Or maybe someone did tell Wendy and Lisa and Jill to make sure they were being appropriately credited and compensated. And they shrugged it off. We don't always listen to people who know better, especially if we're already on the ride. | |
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i can see that the view of "do it yourself, it's not my job" is prevelant in the world. i'm not targeting W&L specifically. i just think that if they (anyone who was around and could really help influence the matter) took a sec and said "hey how can we perphaps help JJ get some laten credit, maybe we could speak to someone at WB and let them know how we feel that she should get some sort of credit." If people have done that sort of action then i have no beef here. it took all sorts of people who were not directly affected by jim crow to make things right, it takes all sorts of people who were not directly affected by hurricane harvey to help make things right, it takes people picking up others trash to make the world better. i believe we all with our tiny share can help in big ways. i think doing positive actions shores up your bank of positive karma, puts more positivity in the world than not. i try to remember she is in grief and when we tire of someone's pain so quickly we perhaps are loosing our humanity. a second of heart felt meaningful empathy goes a long way in quieting a child i am betting it would work on an adult too.
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purplefam99 said: i can see that the view of "do it yourself, it's not my job" is prevelant in the world. i'm not targeting W&L specifically. i just think that if they (anyone who was around and could really help influence the matter) took a sec and said "hey how can we perphaps help JJ get some laten credit, maybe we could speak to someone at WB and let them know how we feel that she should get some sort of credit." If people have done that sort of action then i have no beef here. it took all sorts of people who were not directly affected by jim crow to make things right, it takes all sorts of people who were not directly affected by hurricane harvey to help make things right, it takes people picking up others trash to make the world better. i believe we all with our tiny share can help in big ways. i think doing positive actions shores up your bank of positive karma, puts more positivity in the world than not. i try to remember she is in grief and when we tire of someone's pain so quickly we perhaps are loosing our humanity. a second of heart felt meaningful empathy goes a long way in quieting a child i am betting it would work on an adult too.
#love4oneanother [Edited 9/7/17 8:38am] I think that comparing lack of credits to Jim Crow is pretty insulting to the actual murderous shit that was Jim Crow. This is a woman not being properly credited on a record that came out 33 years ago. I 100% get a racial sensitivity to it (black women were so pushed out of credits more so than anyone else in the industry), but I don't think that's what is in play here. I don't think that's why people aren't visibly speaking up about this. I think they're not speaking up because Jill has said pretty nasty things about them. Openly. That doesn't mean they shouldn't. It just makes it reasonable that they aren't. In fact, it makes it surprising to me that Susan and Lisa even mentioned Jill in their stories. But how do you think Jill would even react if suddenly Wendy and Lisa were fighting for her proper credit? Jill dislikes them so much apparently that she told people to not tag her in posts that mention The Revolution. | |
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They kept the Purple Rain credits and liner notes as they were in 1984, what they added was incorrect credits for the new tracks. It seems likely WB asked no one for recording info about the new tracks and just went by what was written on the boxes and some guesswork. | |
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