Thewooh said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Follow the post correctly and you'll understand way I said 'communicate' and what I'm talking about. When Prince was alive I WISH SHE WOULD HAVE TALKED TO PRINCE.

Who is Purple Rain?
It is about Prince. The liner notes are not different from the 1984 PR album

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JJ even talked about Prince's wacky way of crediting.
And the race stuff is just so not the issue.

Again, any song she worked on, who was behind the crediting?

Susannah worked on PR vocal music too, but she was not credited, nor was she mentioned.
Jill Jones got the mention on the album.

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You might like the way this all plays out, but you don't care for her overall best interest. There is a way to do things. And people creating anti-Mayte sites is trashy.

Susannah worked on PR vocal music!? Really? Please elaborate. Which songs?

Sorry I mean PR era music ie Apollonia 6 album and Brenda Bennet talked about her with Noon Rendezvous

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"From then on I started working (for Prince), singing backup and being called to sing back up on this or that song. I was singing on a couple of tracks for the Apollonia 6 record when they were filming Purple Rain."

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I cannot copy and past script from this computer, type in the search in the upper left hand corner Susannah Melvoin interview Dyes Got the Answer...

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There is an interview with JJ also where she talkes about how things started going bad between her and Prince after she was done promoting her album onward. Her battle with Prince releasing the 2nd album, her uncle Earl Jones passing etc

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

He did leave instructions 1) Instructions for Paisley Park. 2) Contracts with Tidal 3) Contracts with WB

4) A LLC. The contracts in the case of WB are more concrete than a will since I yet to read anything in the court documents challenging the valididy of the WB contracts.

Contracts are directions.

No Will.

Tidal, no written contract (unless Jay z produced one recently?)
yes of course WB & Universal...

But Billieballoon mentioned Sheila E getting stuff and why she cannot

Yes, Tidal claims they have a contract ( Equity Term Agreement ) via a POA. You realize that if Tidal had nothing the music on their website would be off the site due to copyright infringement but you notice it is still up on that site.

In fact WB has put the videos on Tidal so obviously WB has no issue with Tidal. Tidal has something it is just a dispute on what aspects of Prince's music was included. The only person that had an issue with Tidal was L&K because any deal with Tidal would have interfered with their commission grabbing for the UMG deal.

Sheila can get her stuff she just has to file a claim which she mentioned.

I also never said he had a will I said he other legal instruments and structures. We also will never know if some funds were placed in a trust.

The deal with Universal for licesning was canceled and Prince had no contracts with UMG prior to his death.

[Edited 8/23/17 10:51am]

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

No Will.

Tidal, no written contract (unless Jay z produced one recently?)
yes of course WB & Universal...

But Billieballoon mentioned Sheila E getting stuff and why she cannot

Yes, Tidal claims they have a contract ( Equity Term Agreement ) via a POA. You realize that if Tidal had nothing the music on their website would be off the site due to copyright infringement but you notice it is still up on that site.

In fact WB has put the videos on Tidal so obviously WB has no issue with Tidal. Tidal has something it is just a dispute on what aspects of Prince's music was included. The only person that had an issue with Tidal was L&K because any deal with Tidal would have interfered with their commission grabbing for the UMG deal.

Sheila can get her stuff she just has to file a claim which she mentioned.

I also never said he had a will I said he other legal instruments and structures. We also will never know if some funds were placed in a trust.

The deal with Universal for licesning was canceled and Prince had no contracts with UMG prior to his death.

[Edited 8/23/17 10:51am]

I lost interest in the follow up on that other thread about Jay Z/Tidal
So they haven't produced it yet?
Well that is good the 2 are working together.
Thanks, I thought that was probably the issue, something about what extent of the catalogue.

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

Yes, Tidal claims they have a contract ( Equity Term Agreement ) via a POA. You realize that if Tidal had nothing the music on their website would be off the site due to copyright infringement but you notice it is still up on that site.

In fact WB has put the videos on Tidal so obviously WB has no issue with Tidal. Tidal has something it is just a dispute on what aspects of Prince's music was included. The only person that had an issue with Tidal was L&K because any deal with Tidal would have interfered with their commission grabbing for the UMG deal.

Sheila can get her stuff she just has to file a claim which she mentioned.

I also never said he had a will I said he other legal instruments and structures. We also will never know if some funds were placed in a trust.

The deal with Universal for licesning was canceled and Prince had no contracts with UMG prior to his death.

[Edited 8/23/17 10:51am]

I lost interest in the follow up on that other thread about Jay Z/Tidal
So they haven't produced it yet?
Well that is good the 2 are working together.
Thanks, I thought that was probably the issue, something about what extent of the catalogue.

They produced an equity term agreement and they say that someone ( we do not know who ) had Power of Attorney to sign for Prince. They also claim they sent 3 million in payment. I do not think this case would be moving to trial if Tidal had nothing and I definitely do not think that music would still be up on that site. The estate had no trouble getting a court to remove "Deliverence" immediatley.

Tidal is working with WB. The PR remaster is up and so are the videos. I think there is a contrautual reason for this.

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I lost interest in the follow up on that other thread about Jay Z/Tidal
So they haven't produced it yet?
Well that is good the 2 are working together.
Thanks, I thought that was probably the issue, something about what extent of the catalogue.

They produced an equity term agreement and they say that someone ( we do not know who ) had Power of Attorney to sign for Prince. They also claim they sent 3 million in payment. I do not think this case would be moving to trial if Tidal had nothing and I definitely do not think that music would still be up on that site. The estate had no trouble getting a court to remove "Deliverence" immediatley.

Tidal is working with WB. The PR remaster is up and so are the videos. I think there is a contrautual reason for this.

Sounds good. At least there are 2 avenues of getting music to the public via different outlets.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Misslink88 said:

I'm a little confused. Some people can go on tours, sell merch and tell their stories on media junkets and talk all they want but if someone else, who was also part of these stories says anything contrary, they are jealous, bitter, mentally deranged, or otherwise challenged because they didn't share their stories first? Is that how this works?

That isn't what anyone is saying

People posting that she should be private about it and contact people privately says exactly that.

Misslink88 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

That isn't what anyone is saying

People posting that she should be private about it and contact people privately says exactly that.

No it isn't. people are saying the rants to hanger ons and fans picking teams are not doing anything for her. Some people just like to see that stuff because it fuels their psychopathic feuds with the P associates they don't like. None of this helps to get her voice to the right people.

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people are messy and try to plant seeds where they may to get folk riled up.
I told Cat about that one time, when I saw a pattern of it happening on her page. That these so called supporters were just using her as a channel to bitch out someone. There are people doing the same to Jill. You could even read people posting their own beefs on that FB post of hers, so maybe she will go after someone else. It is pathetic sad and selfish.

A lot of the same people going 'team JJ' are some of the same ones calling her crazy because of it.

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Private meaning, reaching out via the proper channels to speak with those targeted or those who can make a difference.
It ain't a bunch of cyberfans pushing their own agenda.

Misslink88 said:

This

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I lost interest in the follow up on that other thread about Jay Z/Tidal
So they haven't produced it yet?
Well that is good the 2 are working together.
Thanks, I thought that was probably the issue, something about what extent of the catalogue.

They produced an equity term agreement and they say that someone ( we do not know who ) had Power of Attorney to sign for Prince. They also claim they sent 3 million in payment. I do not think this case would be moving to trial if Tidal had nothing and I definitely do not think that music would still be up on that site. The estate had no trouble getting a court to remove "Deliverence" immediatley.

Tidal is working with WB. The PR remaster is up and so are the videos. I think there is a contrautual reason for this.

I thought Bremer said in court documents Tidal had not produced the Equity Term Agreement even after they asked for it several times?

Strawberrylova123 said:

Jill Jones wrote on FB in response to this article:

http://www.mostbeautifull...this-lousy

Whoever wrote this article I sincerely want to THANK YOU. I guess I will get called the angry black woman as I seem to be portrayed as for speaking up AND OUT but I never revealed how deeply hurt I was by NOT ONLY THE OMISSION but the SERIOUS micro aggression asserted in these liner notes as my role in all of this. ( in the kitchen???) are you for fucking real? Amazing that the author of this article detected that.

We are living in some very interesting times. And the WHITE WASHING MUST STOP!

I don't have a racist bone in my body and I have always been for diversity. But don't get it twisted. The women of color in this camp are being draggggged. And the black men , emasculated. As if we were some stupid pickaninny bobble heads. And Prince only heard jazz via W & L. Forget that his father was a jazz musician? And FYI if ANYONE ANYONE introduced Prince to new forms and explorations and someone who gave him the " out" and Avenue to extricate himself from musical monotony & creative boredom in music, he found a new inspirational comrade it was Sheila. And after that the many genuinely talented musicians of great artistry and caliber who came along to compliment and bring new added value to his creations. Celebrate all of them.

Read the full commentary here:

https://www.facebook.com/...4968731040

Jill is ABSOLUTELY correct and i'm SO GLAD she's speaking up. It kills me how revisionist types fail to mention Prince's (successful)musical associations with Andre Cymone, Dez Dickerson, Jesse Johnson, Morris Day, Sheila E., Levi Seacer, Sonny T./Michael B, Morris Hayes, Kirk Johnson, Tony M., Foley, John Blackwell, Josh Welton and anybody else who's collaborated with Prince who happens to not be white. No disrespect to the white artists and musicians and engineers he worked with, but they can't take all the credit for his growth and artistry. And, real talk, the entities doing the interviews shuld be seeking out all the great folks i mentioned doing interviews where they delve into their collaborative relationships with Prince. Jill NEEDS to write a book because she saw alot and knows alot. I also love the fact that she gave Sheila props too. Many under-estimate Sheila's presence during the Revolution days; she and Juan and some of her band were featured with the Revolution in live performance during the Purple Rain tour(the first hinting at a Counter Revolution), acoustic drums and percussion work and production with Apollonia 6, ATWIAD, Parade. So it wasn't a surprise that she assumed the drum and musical director role during SOTT. Prince DEFINITELY was influenced by and collaborated with more great artists and musicians than Wendy, Lisa, Eric Leeds and Susan Rogers.

Misslink88 said:

I'm a little confused. Some people can go on tours, sell merch and tell their stories on media junkets and talk all they want but if someone else, who was also part of these stories says anything contrary, they are jealous, bitter, mentally deranged, or otherwise challenged because they didn't share their stories first? Is that how this works?

on here, yes

All I can say is...Jill keep telling it like it is.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Misslink88 said:

People posting that she should be private about it and contact people privately says exactly that.

Not it isn't. people are saying the rants to hanger ons and fans picking teams are not doing anything for her. Some people just like to see that stuff because it fuels their psychopathic feuds with the P associates they don't like. None of this helps to get her voice to the right people.

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people are messy and try to plant seeds where they may to get folk riled up.
I told Cat about that one time, when I saw a pattern of it happening on her page. That these so called supporters were just using her as a channel to bitch out someone. There are people doing the same to Jill. You could even read people posting their own beefs on that FB post of hers, so maybe she will go after someone else. It is pathetic sad and selfish.

A lot of the same people going 'team JJ' are some of the same ones calling her crazy because of it.

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Private meaning, reaching out via the proper channels to speak with those targeted or those who can make a difference.
It ain't a bunch of cyberfans pushing their own agenda.

If you can see that "fans are picking teams" and "None of this helps to get her voice to the right people" then you can see that she has a legitimate gripe because you even suggest "reaching out via the proper channels...who can make a difference". She has taken a stance on a channel available to her. That is her choice.

Misslink88 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Not it isn't. people are saying the rants to hanger ons and fans picking teams are not doing anything for her. Some people just like to see that stuff because it fuels their psychopathic feuds with the P associates they don't like. None of this helps to get her voice to the right people.

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people are messy and try to plant seeds where they may to get folk riled up.
I told Cat about that one time, when I saw a pattern of it happening on her page. That these so called supporters were just using her as a channel to bitch out someone. There are people doing the same to Jill. You could even read people posting their own beefs on that FB post of hers, so maybe she will go after someone else. It is pathetic sad and selfish.

A lot of the same people going 'team JJ' are some of the same ones calling her crazy because of it.

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Private meaning, reaching out via the proper channels to speak with those targeted or those who can make a difference.
It ain't a bunch of cyberfans pushing their own agenda.

If you can see that "fans are picking teams" and "None of this helps to get her voice to the right people" then you can see that she has a legitimate gripe because you even suggest "reaching out via the proper channels...who can make a difference". She has taken a stance on a channel available to her. That is her choice.

I never said the gripe about the album credit was not legitimate.

And everything else I said still stands. If you encourage it, well that is the side of the fence you are on.

2elijah said:

All I can say is...Jill keep telling it like it is.

You don't care about JJ.

Did you follow any of the stuff she said post 2016

Chris Brown...

But out of respect to JJ right now, I won't say anything about the use of race.
But I will respond to people here and just say 'Remember Janet Huberts' reply 2 Jada'

Thewooh said:

Misslink88 said:

I'm a little confused. Some people can go on tours, sell merch and tell their stories on media junkets and talk all they want but if someone else, who was also part of these stories says anything contrary, they are jealous, bitter, mentally deranged, or otherwise challenged because they didn't share their stories first? Is that how this works?

This

eh you're not confused you like the drama

OldFriends4Sale said:

Seems like since the Revolution were not on site everyday of the celebration
She should have been able to attend at least three of the other days if they
Needed space. I don't think George Clinton would have minded JJ presence.

anthonyspeaks said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

Jill Jones wrote on FB in response to this article:

http://www.mostbeautifull...this-lousy

Whoever wrote this article I sincerely want to THANK YOU. I guess I will get called the angry black woman as I seem to be portrayed as for speaking up AND OUT but I never revealed how deeply hurt I was by NOT ONLY THE OMISSION but the SERIOUS micro aggression asserted in these liner notes as my role in all of this. ( in the kitchen???) are you for fucking real? Amazing that the author of this article detected that.

We are living in some very interesting times. And the WHITE WASHING MUST STOP!

I don't have a racist bone in my body and I have always been for diversity. But don't get it twisted. The women of color in this camp are being draggggged. And the black men , emasculated. As if we were some stupid pickaninny bobble heads. And Prince only heard jazz via W & L. Forget that his father was a jazz musician? And FYI if ANYONE ANYONE introduced Prince to new forms and explorations and someone who gave him the " out" and Avenue to extricate himself from musical monotony & creative boredom in music, he found a new inspirational comrade it was Sheila. And after that the many genuinely talented musicians of great artistry and caliber who came along to compliment and bring new added value to his creations. Celebrate all of them.

Read the full commentary here:

https://www.facebook.com/...4968731040

Jill is ABSOLUTELY correct and i'm SO GLAD she's speaking up. It kills me how revisionist types fail to mention Prince's (successful)musical associations with Andre Cymone, Dez Dickerson, Jesse Johnson, Morris Day, Sheila E., Levi Seacer, Sonny T./Michael B, Morris Hayes, Kirk Johnson, Tony M., Foley, John Blackwell, Josh Welton and anybody else who's collaborated with Prince who happens to not be white. No disrespect to the white artists and musicians and engineers he worked with, but they can't take all the credit for his growth and artistry. And, real talk, the entities doing the interviews shuld be seeking out all the great folks i mentioned doing interviews where they delve into their collaborative relationships with Prince. Jill NEEDS to write a book because she saw alot and knows alot. I also love the fact that she gave Sheila props too. Many under-estimate Sheila's presence during the Revolution days; she and Juan and some of her band were featured with the Revolution in live performance during the Purple Rain tour(the first hinting at a Counter Revolution), acoustic drums and percussion work and production with Apollonia 6, ATWIAD, Parade. So it wasn't a surprise that she assumed the drum and musical director role during SOTT. Prince DEFINITELY was influenced by and collaborated with more great artists and musicians than Wendy, Lisa, Eric Leeds and Susan Rogers.

Oh stop

no one is failing to mention these other people

Where have U been? So many people are 'tired' of Sheila E right now for all of the stuff she is saying since Prince died.
There are so many articles on the other people mentioned. If you notice most of the people U mentioned were men...
BUT as I told someone else, it is very interesting how too much of everything revolves around 'female associates' and there are a few reasons for that.

It isn't any 'revisionist types' unless U mean mostly female fans teaming with their fav female associates...

If you even look at past discussions about 'favorite proteges' You would think by the responses that protege means 'female associate artists' the Time St Paul Eric Mazarati Madhouse etc are not the usual responses...

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

They produced an equity term agreement and they say that someone ( we do not know who ) had Power of Attorney to sign for Prince. They also claim they sent 3 million in payment. I do not think this case would be moving to trial if Tidal had nothing and I definitely do not think that music would still be up on that site. The estate had no trouble getting a court to remove "Deliverence" immediatley.

Tidal is working with WB. The PR remaster is up and so are the videos. I think there is a contrautual reason for this.

I thought Bremer said in court documents Tidal had not produced the Equity Term Agreement even after they asked for it several times?

I would like to know any updates on this

OldFriends4Sale said:

I totally agree that the argument should have been with Prince. He was the wizard!! But respectfully, if I am Dorothy and the wizard is gone I'm not gonna let tin man
And the lion get my share of the yellow brick road.

purplefam99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Hey I'd the first to get it going, if we/I had a contact @ WB to talk them about future PR reissues and making a full thurough crediting is used. Not for controversy sake but because I've always liked to know who did what on what.

Prince had the final say originally on crediting the way he did. So the real 'arguement' is with Prince finally.

I totally agree that the argument should have been with Prince. He was the wizard!! But respectfully, if I am Dorothy and the wizard is gone I'm not gonna let tin man And the lion get my share of the yellow brick road.

I'm all in support of Jill and her credits.

My arguement is the way to go about it.

I mean, your putting your 'name' out there in a certain way

the PR deluxe credits is just 1 recent thing.
Your name is your brand your name is you.

I know there are people who enjoy watching Jill 'go off'

and I don't think it is cool.

I had a coworker who I started calling 'little satan'
he would innocently come into my office and bring up events that transpired with coworkers

and I would respond, then he would 'nudge me' and I would go off on the topic

I never felt good about it afterwards. I felt like I was expoited or something.
Or a sign I didn't have control of my 'spirit' my inner person.
And I resolved to not allow myself to respond anymore.
If I had an issue with someone I would just talk to them and let him know, "hey me and __ worked it out" or "man that is nothing"

He came as usual to do the same thing, and sat in my space.
Did his thing, and I told him '____' He told me, "But I like to see you get riled it, it is entertaining'

I was stunned at the reply.

That is what I see people doing with certain associate females.

I said earlier, and maybe I'll even reach out to Jill, but if there is something a respectful way to present this and someone official, I would even draft something that just maybe can call attention and respect to this part of the music and artistry.

And I hope her album is reissued and gets a 'Deluxe' treatment as well

I remember a few years ago before Cat go sick. There were some people doing the same thing.
They were post stuff from other sites even the org "Look Cat look what they said, You better go in on the girl whooo get em Cat" 1/2 the stuff was miscontrude.
And I got so angry, I post right on her page in reply telling Cat not to let people drag you into these things. And I straight out said 'if these people loved you and cared for you they would not etc..' And I specifically went into how this stuff effects your health after a while.

I'm glad now she censors that stuff mostly and doesn't feed into it. But when she blows it goes...

I don't like when her daughter get's involved.
Cat and the SOTT move release debate is up

purplefam99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

No one said anything about being Afraid. But if you go someplace for a specific cause or event, you don't want to be distracted with any kind of arguements or such.
This isn't even about picking sides.
Any people entertaining, put themselves in a place where they can be relaxed and prepare to perform.

Seems like since the Revolution were not on site everyday of the celebration She should have been able to attend at least three of the other days if they Needed space. I don't think George Clinton would have minded JJ presence.

Because the ban had nothing to do with them.

Apollonia Brenda especially were at all the Revolution shows in Sept 2016 on stage. Well Brenda missed the first night. Apollonia was a guest @ Bobby Z's my purple heart show in 2014

These people were banned for something Apollonia did in the museum allegedly against rules.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Ahhh yes, thx. I was thinking of the Rev's request for space, but yes your correct the initial ban was for another reason. Although it is still un fair to ban JJ if she wasn't there when the initial incident went down and if the Rev said
Anything that made the ban from PP stick, that is also not ok. My feeling.

like someone said,Jill's problem is actually with Prince.He was the one in charge of giving credit and identifying those people who made contributions to his work.

SoulAlive said:

Yes it was OF4S, that pointed that the beef is with P, and I agree.

OldFriends4Sale said:

SoulAlive said:

like someone said,Jill's problem is actually with Prince.He was the one in charge of giving credit and identifying those people who made contributions to his work.

But Prince is not around and he is not one who was involved with leaving her out of the liner notes.

Since Susan R, and the Reveloution took over and they know about her contributions.

Jill is beefing with the right people.

SoulAlive said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Amber and Cat need to knock it off. It does not matter who directed the movie it matters who owns the rights to the film. Why would she want to the movie to not been shown. Now that Showtime has it and it is on their pay per view new generations will get to see it.

I hope the estate thinks about licensing out other footage they have to cable channel or streaming channels. Give everyone a chance to see the footage and is a nice revenue stream for the estate.

[Edited 8/24/17 4:24am]

laurarichardson said:

SoulAlive said:

Amber and Cat need to knock it off. It does not matter who directed the movie it matters who owns the rights to the film. Why would she want to the movie to not been shown. Now that Showtime has it and it is on their pay per view new generations will get to see it.

I hope the estate thinks about licensing out other footage they have to cable channel or streaming channels. Give everyone a chance to see the footage and is a nice revenue stream for the estate.

[Edited 8/24/17 4:24am]

I agree.
It seems that Cat is mislead into thinking there is 'Unreleased Footage' ie Outtakes from the film

I think that is why she is responding the way she is

I would see GB played on tv and sold in stores but not SOTT. I would prefer the other way around.