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Strawberrylova123

Jill Jones FB post

Jill Jones wrote on FB in response to this article:

http://www.mostbeautifull...this-lousy


Whoever wrote this article I sincerely want to THANK YOU. I guess I will get called the angry black woman as I seem to be portrayed as for speaking up AND OUT but I never revealed how deeply hurt I was by NOT ONLY THE OMISSION but the SERIOUS micro aggression asserted in these liner notes as my role in all of this. ( in the kitchen???) are you for fucking real? Amazing that the author of this article detected that.

We are living in some very interesting times. And the WHITE WASHING MUST STOP!

I don't have a racist bone in my body and I have always been for diversity. But don't get it twisted. The women of color in this camp are being draggggged. And the black men , emasculated. As if we were some stupid pickaninny bobble heads. And Prince only heard jazz via W & L. Forget that his father was a jazz musician? And FYI if ANYONE ANYONE introduced Prince to new forms and explorations and someone who gave him the " out" and Avenue to extricate himself from musical monotony & creative boredom in music, he found a new inspirational comrade it was Sheila. And after that the many genuinely talented musicians of great artistry and caliber who came along to compliment and bring new added value to his creations. Celebrate all of them.

Read the full commentary here:

https://www.facebook.com/...4968731040

* Post has been removed by Jill Jones *

Reply #1 posted 08/22/17 8:52am

crimesofparis

Per the article itself, I'm pretty sure that the only story with her in the liner notes isn't the kitchen one. Lisa has the story about them singing on "Baby, I'm a Star."

She should have been credited more clearly, but she wasn't credited properly on the original release, either. I'd blame WB for that one.
Reply #2 posted 08/22/17 9:18am

laurarichardson

crimesofparis said:

Per the article itself, I'm pretty sure that the only story with her in the liner notes isn't the kitchen one. Lisa has the story about them singing on "Baby, I'm a Star." She should have been credited more clearly, but she wasn't credited properly on the original release, either. I'd blame WB for that one.

Jill has said "Fuck WB" on her website so she blames them as well. It feeds into the whitewashing and it is being noticed by the fanbase.

Reply #3 posted 08/22/17 11:26am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

crimesofparis said:

Per the article itself, I'm pretty sure that the only story with her in the liner notes isn't the kitchen one. Lisa has the story about them singing on "Baby, I'm a Star." She should have been credited more clearly, but she wasn't credited properly on the original release, either. I'd blame WB for that one.

Jill has said "Fuck WB" on her website so she blames them as well. It feeds into the whitewashing and it is being noticed by the fanbase.

But hopefully in the future a PR box set of music, included more thurough credits and information

A little talk with Prince is needed

heart

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Reply #4 posted 08/22/17 12:39pm

PennyPurple

nuts Does she ever stop??

Reply #5 posted 08/22/17 1:52pm

Thewooh

I'm glad she continues to speak up.
Reply #6 posted 08/22/17 3:03pm

BillieBalloon

It looks like this article is gaining momentum as Andre Cymone just shared a link to it on Facebook too.
Baby, you're a star.

Meet me in another world, space and joy
Reply #7 posted 08/22/17 3:30pm

PennyPurple

Why is she bringing skin color into it. The article states nothing about skin color.


She is a jealous ex-lover who wants credit. When was the last time she saw Prince, other then Vanity's funeral?

OUt of the entire article, this is all it has to say about JJ. lol

Fascinating stuff, but oddly Jill Jones was left out of the vocal credits and only mentioned in the liner notes as present in Prince’s kitchen. Despite clearly hearing Jill’s voice on a few tracks we guess she was around making pancakes or checking the Dorito inventory or something.

Reply #8 posted 08/22/17 3:48pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Thewooh said:

I'm glad she continues to speak up.

I just hope(d) hope she would just communicate privately and legally.
All those fans who are anti-this group anti-that group whooping and hollering cannot do anything for her

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #9 posted 08/22/17 4:32pm

Thewooh

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



Thewooh said:


I'm glad she continues to speak up.

 


 


I just hope(d) hope she would just communicate privately and legally.
All those fans who are anti-this group anti-that group whooping and hollering cannot do anything for her



Nah. She should make it public, to balance public statements made by other associates.
Reply #10 posted 08/22/17 4:48pm

rogifan

Why does she have to bring race into it? F that.
[Edited 8/22/17 16:53pm]
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #11 posted 08/22/17 4:53pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Thewooh said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I just hope(d) hope she would just communicate privately and legally.
All those fans who are anti-this group anti-that group whooping and hollering cannot do anything for her

Nah. She should make it public, to balance public statements made by other associates.

Doesn't help her brand
Fans who want her to 'go in' are thinking selfishly

there are a few too many 'fans' who flock to certain people because they like to

see them angry or riled up. That is not love. Encouraging that is not love and it is not healthy for the soul mind or body.
I used to see people do that to Cat, right before she got sick.

I does help on the business side

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #12 posted 08/22/17 5:07pm

Butterscotch

I want to like Lisa, I want to like Wendy, I want to like Mayte, I want to like all of P's associates but some of these people make it very hard. Credit needs to be properly given to those who contributed to any part of his personal or professional life, whether the other person likes it or not. Throwing people under the bus to make one look more important or better is childish and all of this is coming from people who are middle age.
“That’s it” - Prince
Reply #13 posted 08/22/17 6:00pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Butterscotch said:

I want to like Lisa, I want to like Wendy, I want to like Mayte, I want to like all of P's associates but some of these people make it very hard. Credit needs to be properly given to those who contributed to any part of his personal or professional life, whether the other person likes it or not. Throwing people under the bus to make one look more important or better is childish and all of this is coming from people who are middle age.

I believe all of them are still in a weird grieving stage.
I'm not too hard on any of them, except for Kirk right now.

People should reach out to each other intimately, not cyberly(can that be a word)
I still think it's only been 1 year and 4 months and people are still caught up in the

swirl of everything good and bad of his death.

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #14 posted 08/22/17 6:14pm

scorp84

Butterscotch said:

I want to like Lisa, I want to like Wendy, I want to like Mayte, I want to like all of P's associates but some of these people make it very hard. Credit needs to be properly given to those who contributed to any part of his personal or professional life, whether the other person likes it or not. Throwing people under the bus to make one look more important or better is childish and all of this is coming from people who are middle age.

It doesn't matter whether fans choose to "like" them or not. They're people just like us. If some of us think it's "complicated" to like people from afar, it means shit in comparison to the complexities of the real relationships each individual shared with him.

Reply #15 posted 08/22/17 6:18pm

SoulAlive

I think it's time for everybody (former girlfriends,former band members) to let the bitterness go.Time to move on.It's not healthy to carry around all of these bad thoughts.No more angry social media posts! I don't think that Prince would want everyone to be feuding with each other.
Reply #16 posted 08/22/17 6:35pm

donnyenglish

I LOVE JILL. She is like a beautiful version of Madea. She keeps it real and puts perpetrators in their place.
Reply #17 posted 08/22/17 7:00pm

rdhull

Poeples silence can be just as bad as saying lies etc.

c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
Reply #18 posted 08/22/17 7:08pm

Butterscotch

scorp84 said:

 



Butterscotch said:


I want to like Lisa, I want to like Wendy, I want to like Mayte, I want to like all of P's associates but some of these people make it very hard. Credit needs to be properly given to those who contributed to any part of his personal or professional life, whether the other person likes it or not. Throwing people under the bus to make one look more important or better is childish and all of this is coming from people who are middle age.

 


 


It doesn't matter whether fans choose to "like" them or not. They're people just like us. If some of us think it's "complicated" to like people from afar, it means shit in comparison to the complexities of the real relationships each individual shared with him. 



My point is I want to like them enough to hear their perspectives. However, bashing one another doesn't give opportunity for that to occur. I want the truth to the best of their knowledge. If accounts are not clear, concise or honestly conveyed, than I would rather them not speak on it at all.
[Edited 8/22/17 19:09pm]
“That’s it” - Prince
Reply #19 posted 08/22/17 7:14pm

eduJ

I've always been a Jill fan but one day she's all chill and zen, and the next she's "going in" and playing the race card. I kinda feel bad for her that she's almost always on the defensive. There are about 50 people on this planet who still care which associated artist co-wrote or sang backup on some obscure unreleased track. A few decades from now there will be zero. Also, it speaks volumes that Wendy, Lisa, Mayte and Sheila continue to take the high road no matter how much crap is slung their way. Others need to get a grip and keep shit in perspective.

[Edited 8/22/17 19:15pm]

Reply #20 posted 08/22/17 7:28pm

rdhull

eduJ said:

I've always been a Jill fan but one day she's all chill and zen, and the next she's "going in" and playing the race card. I kinda feel bad for her that she's almost always on the defensive. There are about 50 people on this planet who still care which associated artist co-wrote or sang backup on some obscure unreleased track. A few decades from now there will be zero. Also, it speaks volumes that Wendy, Lisa, Mayte and Sheila continue to take the high road no matter how much crap is slung their way. Others need to get a grip and keep shit in perspective.

[Edited 8/22/17 19:15pm]

We must remember how many semnal artists got their start playing with Miles Davis. Im not equating associates with all of Miles Davis' former players, but I'm also not denying it. Its funny how people want to say sometimes how some band members were seminal in their part of building his empire with musicianship, ideas etc. But not with some others.

c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
Reply #21 posted 08/22/17 7:37pm

Strawberrylova123

rdhull said:

Poeples silence can be just as bad as saying lies etc.


Yep! Especially when that person is dead. Speak on jill...speak on!!
Reply #22 posted 08/22/17 7:52pm

rdhull

Strawberrylova123 said:

rdhull said:

Poeples silence can be just as bad as saying lies etc.

Yep! Especially when that person is dead. Speak on jill...speak on!!

Im talking about the ones who are still living.

c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
Reply #23 posted 08/22/17 8:02pm

Strawberrylova123

rdhull said:

 



Strawberrylova123 said:


rdhull said:

Poeples silence can be just as bad as saying lies etc.



Yep! Especially when that person is dead. Speak on jill...speak on!!

Im talking about the ones who are still living.


I know that you are saying that,what I'm saying is when people are speaking about a person who is now dead saying they're the one's who introduced him to jazz?...I'm glad people like JJ is calling out that BS
[Edited 8/22/17 20:03pm]
Reply #24 posted 08/22/17 8:32pm

Sydney

I love Jill ones -I wish she would write a book. She was there. Step Off.

Reply #25 posted 08/22/17 10:01pm

SoulAlive

eduJ said:

There are about 50 people on this planet who still care which associated artist co-wrote or sang backup on some obscure unreleased track. A few decades from now there will be zero.


very good point.
Reply #26 posted 08/23/17 4:08am

jaawwnn

Wendy talked about being bitter in that documentary, she wasn't hiding it and she wasn't saying it's a good thing, she was being honest. Yeah she's bitter about a few things and thankful for others, she's human.

As for Jill Jones, she released one of my favourite ever Prince associate albums and clearly was very close to him for quite a while. She deserves credit in some places where she wasn't credited for sure. Now she's bitter about stuff as well. She's human.

everyone is bitter. hurrah. I'm so glad someone is running a website called the Most Beautiful Lies rolleyes

[Edited 8/23/17 4:16am]

Reply #27 posted 08/23/17 4:13am

laurarichardson

eduJ said:

I've always been a Jill fan but one day she's all chill and zen, and the next she's "going in" and playing the race card. I kinda feel bad for her that she's almost always on the defensive. There are about 50 people on this planet who still care which associated artist co-wrote or sang backup on some obscure unreleased track. A few decades from now there will be zero. Also, it speaks volumes that Wendy, Lisa, Mayte and Sheila continue to take the high road no matter how much crap is slung their way. Others need to get a grip and keep shit in perspective.

[Edited 8/22/17 19:15pm]

You need to take your race card nonsense somewhere else. Black associates in the Prince world have been getting crap on this board for years. It does not matter if two people in the world care people should be credited for their work and other people should not be telling tall tales ( they introduced him to jazz when he dad was a jazz musician). Condesending as hell thing to say.

If W&L were around then they know Jill's contributions and in no way should they have asked that she be kept away from them at the celebrations which in the end resulted in her not being welcomed at all to the celebration events at Paisley Park. The last time I looked that was Prince's place and his name and music generates the income not the Revolution. They are line steppers and someone has to tell line steppers when they are going to far.

If you have a problem with people speaking up for themselves that tells us more about you then them.

[Edited 8/23/17 4:15am]

Reply #28 posted 08/23/17 4:17am

laurarichardson

What the fuck is she bitter about? She was a nobody that Prince put front in center in his band. Who gets a chance like that? It is her fault if she was not smart enought to milk it and run with it.

Damm look at Sheila E or Morris Day. They got their shot and have never stopped working it.

jaawwnn said:

Wendy talked about being bitter in that documentary, she wasn't hiding it and she wasn't saying it's a good thing, she was being honest. Yeah she's bitter about a few things and thankful for others, she's human.

As for Jill Jones, she released one of my favourite ever Prince associate albums and clearly was very close to him for quite a while. Now she's bitter about stuff as well. She deserves credit in some places where she wasn't credited.

everyone is bitter. hurrah. I'm so glad someone is running a website called the Most Beautiful Lies rolleyes

[Edited 8/23/17 4:10am]

Reply #29 posted 08/23/17 4:22am

jaawwnn

yack yack yack Laura, tell it to her not me, I said she was being honest I didn't say she was being reasonable.

Reply #30 posted 08/23/17 4:32am

laurarichardson

jaawwnn said:

yack yack yack Laura, tell it to her not me, I said she was being honest I didn't say she was being reasonable.

If I could tell it to her I would but hey we got Jill telling them were to go and how to get there so at least someone sees the nonsense.

Reply #31 posted 08/23/17 5:50am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Strawberrylova123 said:

rdhull said:

Im talking about the ones who are still living.

I know that you are saying that,what I'm saying is when people are speaking about a person who is now dead saying they're the one's who introduced him to jazz?...I'm glad people like JJ is calling out that BS

They said it when he was alive. This is not new.

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #32 posted 08/23/17 5:56am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

eduJ said:

I've always been a Jill fan but one day she's all chill and zen, and the next she's "going in" and playing the race card. I kinda feel bad for her that she's almost always on the defensive. There are about 50 people on this planet who still care which associated artist co-wrote or sang backup on some obscure unreleased track. A few decades from now there will be zero. Also, it speaks volumes that Wendy, Lisa, Mayte and Sheila continue to take the high road no matter how much crap is slung their way. Others need to get a grip and keep shit in perspective.

[Edited 8/22/17 19:15pm]

If W&L were around then they know Jill's contributions and in no way should they have asked that she be kept away from them at the celebrations which in the end resulted in her not being welcomed at all to the celebration events at Paisley Park. The last time I looked that was Prince's place and his name and music generates the income not the Revolution. They are line steppers and someone has to tell line steppers when they are going to far.

Remove yourself from this whole vs debate for a min.

Put yourself in a place, where you are about to do an event, no matter where it is. You are hosting something or you have a booth at a festival or something. And there is someone who cursed you on social media out of nowhere, and has been talking about you. How do you feel, knowing that person is coming to the event?

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #33 posted 08/23/17 5:58am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Butterscotch said:

scorp84 said:

It doesn't matter whether fans choose to "like" them or not. They're people just like us. If some of us think it's "complicated" to like people from afar, it means shit in comparison to the complexities of the real relationships each individual shared with him.

My point is I want to like them enough to hear their perspectives. However, bashing one another doesn't give opportunity for that to occur. I want the truth to the best of their knowledge. If accounts are not clear, concise or honestly conveyed, than I would rather them not speak on it at all. [Edited 8/22/17 19:09pm]

And it we/they take the cue from Decemeber 2015-April 2017

Death comes for everyone Kim Upsher 2 months later Denise Matthews 2 months later Prince.

Time is running and no one is getting younger.

"Don't let the sun go down on your wrath"

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #34 posted 08/23/17 6:15am

BillieBalloon

By having Jill kept away from them they made her look like a crazy person..which was probably the intention. They know Jill personally and these people interacted with each other for years. All of a sudden they couldnt be in the same space as Jill, of course they have had fall outs before, shit happens. This is more about trying to take the reins of the purple horse and less about who said what on social media Imo.

.
[Edited 8/23/17 6:17am]
Baby, you're a star.

Meet me in another world, space and joy
Reply #35 posted 08/23/17 6:26am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

If W&L were around then they know Jill's contributions and in no way should they have asked that she be kept away from them at the celebrations which in the end resulted in her not being welcomed at all to the celebration events at Paisley Park. The last time I looked that was Prince's place and his name and music generates the income not the Revolution. They are line steppers and someone has to tell line steppers when they are going to far.

Remove yourself from this whole vs debate for a min.

Put yourself in a place, where you are about to do an event, no matter where it is. You are hosting something or you have a booth at a festival or something. And there is someone who cursed you on social media out of nowhere, and has been talking about you. How do you feel, knowing that person is coming to the event?

If I had a booth at a event I doubt I would in a position to ban someone and as long as I was not being threten with physical harm who would even bother to take my request seriously.

I do not recall Jill saying she was going to hurt anyone in the Revolution and if she was saying things that are not true why are they worried? I suspect that she is saying things that are are true and they do not want to hear it or are fearful that people will listen to her althought their actions now make her words seem creditable.

If they believe her statements are untrue they should be adults and discuss it with her not act like scared children. Why are they afraid of this women?

Reply #36 posted 08/23/17 6:27am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

rdhull said: I know that you are saying that,what I'm saying is when people are speaking about a person who is now dead saying they're the one's who introduced him to jazz?...I'm glad people like JJ is calling out that BS

They said it when he was alive. This is not new.

But they need to stop saying it.

Reply #37 posted 08/23/17 6:32am

BillieBalloon

laurarichardson said:

 



OldFriends4Sale said:


 



laurarichardson said:


 


 


 


If W&L were around then they know Jill's contributions and in no way should they have asked that she be kept away from them at the celebrations which in the end resulted in her not being welcomed at all to the celebration events at Paisley Park.   The last time I looked that was Prince's place and his name and music generates the income not the Revolution. They are line steppers and someone has to tell line steppers when they are going to far. 


 


 



 


Remove yourself from this whole vs debate for a min.

Put yourself in a place, where you are about to do an event, no matter where it is. You are hosting something or you have a booth at a festival or something. And there is someone who cursed you on social media out of nowhere, and has been talking about you.  How do you feel, knowing that person is coming to the event?


 


 



If I had a booth at a event I doubt I would in a position to ban someone and as long as I was not being threten with physical harm who would even bother to take my request seriously. 


 


I do not recall Jill saying she was going to  hurt anyone in the Revolution and if she was saying things that are not true why are they worried?  I suspect that she is saying things that are are true and they do not want to hear it or are fearful that people will listen to her althought their actions now make her words seem creditable. 


 


If they believe her statements are untrue they should be adults and discuss it with her not act like scared children. Why are they afraid of this women? 


 


 


 




Theyre not afraid of her, theyre trying to sideline her. No pics of Jill at PP means no media coverage. Its about making her irrelevant.
I highly doubt Wendy is afraid of Jill.
Baby, you're a star.

Meet me in another world, space and joy
Reply #38 posted 08/23/17 6:38am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

BillieBalloon said:

laurarichardson said:

If I had a booth at a event I doubt I would in a position to ban someone and as long as I was not being threten with physical harm who would even bother to take my request seriously.

I do not recall Jill saying she was going to hurt anyone in the Revolution and if she was saying things that are not true why are they worried? I suspect that she is saying things that are are true and they do not want to hear it or are fearful that people will listen to her althought their actions now make her words seem creditable.

If they believe her statements are untrue they should be adults and discuss it with her not act like scared children. Why are they afraid of this women?

Theyre not afraid of her, theyre trying to sideline her. No pics of Jill at PP means no media coverage. Its about making her irrelevant. I highly doubt Wendy is afraid of Jill.

No one said anything about being Afraid. But if you go someplace for a specific cause or event, you don't want to be distracted with any kind of arguements or such.
This isn't even about picking sides.
Any people entertaining, put themselves in a place where they can be relaxed and prepare to perform.

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #39 posted 08/23/17 6:40am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

They said it when he was alive. This is not new.

But they need to stop saying it.

Eric said it too. But this whole thing is so silly and being taken way out of perspective.

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #40 posted 08/23/17 6:42am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Remove yourself from this whole vs debate for a min.

Put yourself in a place, where you are about to do an event, no matter where it is. You are hosting something or you have a booth at a festival or something. And there is someone who cursed you on social media out of nowhere, and has been talking about you. How do you feel, knowing that person is coming to the event?

If I had a booth at a event I doubt I would in a position to ban someone and as long as I was not being threten with physical harm who would even bother to take my request seriously.

I do not recall Jill saying she was going to hurt anyone in the Revolution and if she was saying things that are not true why are they worried? I suspect that she is saying things that are are true and they do not want to hear it or are fearful that people will listen to her althought their actions now make her words seem creditable.

If they believe her statements are untrue they should be adults and discuss it with her not act like scared children. Why are they afraid of this women?

That's right, but you would be in a position to keep someone away from you. Which is what the Revolution requested.
By JJ post admission the banning was in connection to Apollonia and she named the PP people involved.

But again, I asked you to look at this outside of the JJ/Revolution scenario.

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #41 posted 08/23/17 6:46am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

BillieBalloon said:

By having Jill kept away from them they made her look like a crazy person..which was probably the intention. They know Jill personally and these people interacted with each other for years. All of a sudden they couldnt be in the same space as Jill, of course they have had fall outs before, shit happens. This is more about trying to take the reins of the purple horse and less about who said what on social media Imo. . [Edited 8/23/17 6:17am]

1. How did it make Jill look crazy? No one knew about this until Jill posted it on social media

2. JJ had her FB rant during their 2016 show at First Avenue. And since then has been saying things about them on social media (right or wrong). I don't know if she ever reached out to any of them to talk 1 on 1.

3. All the other people were there at First Avenue that chose to be there... how is this taking the reins of the purple horse. That isn't possible.

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Reply #42 posted 08/23/17 6:52am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

SoulAlive said:

I think it's time for everybody (former girlfriends,former band members) to let the bitterness go.Time to move on.It's not healthy to carry around all of these bad thoughts.No more angry social media posts! I don't think that Prince would want everyone to be feuding with each other.

It is weariness.
None of this stuff should have made it's way to social media if people did not/could not talk to each other

good words of wisdom:

Debate your cause with your neighbor; and do not discuss it with another

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What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #43 posted 08/23/17 6:53am

Thewooh

The Melvoins and Leeds brothers and Susan Rogers have been able to control the narrative up until now. Every book about Prince is based on their stories, and they have always placed themself at the centre of the story. Know they are loosing control. Other people are starting to speak up.
Reply #44 posted 08/23/17 6:59am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Hey I'd the first to get it going, if we/I had a contact @ WB to talk them about future PR reissues and making a full thurough crediting is used. Not for controversy sake but because I've always liked to know who did what on what.

Prince had the final say originally on crediting the way he did. So the real 'arguement' is with Prince finally.

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Did he put your million dollar check
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Reply #45 posted 08/23/17 7:02am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Thewooh said:

The Melvoins and Leeds brothers and Susan Rogers have been able to control the narrative up until now. Every book about Prince is based on their stories, and they have always placed themself at the centre of the story. Know they are loosing control. Other people are starting to speak up.

That isn't true either.

For example I don't believe Possessed included the Melvoins or Lisa

Books included other band members from the NPG years too. the Time Gayle Chapman Andre Cymone, Dez Dickerson etc So your post is an extreme exaggeration. Later years did not include those people you said. And people could have always spoken up. Sheila E for example never seemed to have a voice outside of adoration for Prince. But she also never just talked about her life and times until her book(while Prince was alive).

And sadly a lot of this right now is about the finality of death. That most of us know about but too often ignore. We always think there is tomorrow. How many of us just never thought Prince would be dead now. The shock of it. I never thought he would die before old age, but I also never thought of Prince being old. It is a shame that JJ never reached out to Prince about things. But Prince was also very 'anti' revisiting the past. And according a JJ interview about 6yrs ago. She and Prince never talked again after the whole GB thing, trying to get her 2nd album music released. Because I appreciate the white fox, I would be so willing to write a letter to those at WB.

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #46 posted 08/23/17 7:17am

Musze

OldFriends4Sale said:

Thewooh said:

The Melvoins and Leeds brothers and Susan Rogers have been able to control the narrative up until now. Every book about Prince is based on their stories, and they have always placed themself at the centre of the story. Know they are loosing control. Other people are starting to speak up.

That isn't true either.

For example I don't believe Possessed included the Melvoins or Lisa

Books included other band members from the NPG years too. the Time Gayle Chapman Andre Cymone, Dez Dickerson etc So your post is an extreme exaggeration. Later years did not include those people you said. And people could have always spoken up. Sheila E for example never seemed to have a voice outside of adoration for Prince. But she also never just talked about her life and times until her book(while Prince was alive).

And sadly a lot of this right now is about the finality of death. That most of us know about but too often ignore. We always think there is tomorrow. How many of just never thought Prince would be dead now. The shock of it. I never thought he would die before old age, but I also never thought of Prince being old. It is a shame that JJ never reached out to Prince about things. But Prince was also very 'anti' revisiting the past. And according a JJ interview about 6yrs ago. She and Prince never talked again after the whole GB thing, trying to get her 2nd album music released. Because I appreciate the white fox, I would be so willing to write a letter to those at WB.

She, along with Appolonia and I can't recall who the third was, spent some time with him backstage at the Oakland P&M Shows. According to her, they planned to talk again in a couple of months about her daughter's recording career.

I Love U, But I Don't Trust U Anymore...
Reply #47 posted 08/23/17 7:21am

rlittler81

OldFriends4Sale said:

Thewooh said:

I'm glad she continues to speak up.

I just hope(d) hope she would just communicate privately and legally.
All those fans who are anti-this group anti-that group whooping and hollering cannot do anything for her

Same. She should take this up privately with whomever she has beef with. Just seems like she's adding to the drama by doing it this way on Facebook and comes across as bitter. An engineer from Paisley Park in the 90's flamed her on Facebook a few months ago, saying he was 'warned about her' before he worked at Paisley Park and that she expected special treatment and stuff. There's always two sides to a story...

[Edited 8/23/17 7:23am]

3121... Don't U Wanna Come?
Reply #48 posted 08/23/17 7:21am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Musze said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

That isn't true either.

For example I don't believe Possessed included the Melvoins or Lisa

Books included other band members from the NPG years too. the Time Gayle Chapman Andre Cymone, Dez Dickerson etc So your post is an extreme exaggeration. Later years did not include those people you said. And people could have always spoken up. Sheila E for example never seemed to have a voice outside of adoration for Prince. But she also never just talked about her life and times until her book(while Prince was alive).

And sadly a lot of this right now is about the finality of death. That most of us know about but too often ignore. We always think there is tomorrow. How many of just never thought Prince would be dead now. The shock of it. I never thought he would die before old age, but I also never thought of Prince being old. It is a shame that JJ never reached out to Prince about things. But Prince was also very 'anti' revisiting the past. And according a JJ interview about 6yrs ago. She and Prince never talked again after the whole GB thing, trying to get her 2nd album music released. Because I appreciate the white fox, I would be so willing to write a letter to those at WB.

She, along with Appolonia and I can't recall who the third was, spent some time with him backstage at the Oakland P&M Shows. According to her, they planned to talk again in a couple of months about her daughter's recording career.

Yes, Prince connected with them after Denises' memorial.

I believe it was Brenda & Susan. I have a few pictures of them.

But I mean between 1990-2016 JJ & Prince at least did not.
I believe Apollonia & Prince continued communication.

Susan Moonsie & Brenda remained really close. And they went to a few Prince show during the 3121 period.

Yeah, I think SADLY again, that if it wasn't for the back 2 back deaths of Kim & Denise, Prince might not have opened up. And his health scare helped promt it.

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What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #49 posted 08/23/17 7:41am

BillieBalloon

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



Thewooh said:


The Melvoins and Leeds brothers and Susan Rogers have been able to control the narrative up until now. Every book about Prince is based on their stories, and they have always placed themself at the centre of the story. Know they are loosing control. Other people are starting to speak up.

 


 


That isn't true either.


For example I don't believe Possessed included the Melvoins or Lisa


 


Books included other band members from the NPG years too. the Time Gayle Chapman Andre Cymone, Dez Dickerson etc So your post is an extreme exaggeration. Later years did not include those people you said. And people could have always spoken up.  Sheila E for example never seemed to have a voice outside of adoration for Prince.  But she also never just talked about her life and times until her book(while Prince was alive).


 


And sadly a lot of this right now is about the finality of death. That most of us know about but too often ignore. We always think there is tomorrow. How many of us just never thought Prince would be dead now. The shock of it. I never thought he would die before old age, but I also never thought of Prince being old.  It is a shame that JJ never reached out to Prince about things. But Prince was also very 'anti' revisiting the past. And according a JJ interview about 6yrs ago. She and Prince never talked again after the whole GB thing, trying to get her 2nd album music released.  Because I appreciate the white fox, I would be so willing to write a letter to those at WB.


 


 


 




Jills Facebook post and linking to the article is not about Prince and how many times they talked over the years. Its about the liner notes and the contribution of black artists to Princes legacy.

.
[Edited 8/23/17 7:42am]
Baby, you're a star.

Meet me in another world, space and joy
Reply #50 posted 08/23/17 7:45am

BillieBalloon

rlittler81 said:

 



OldFriends4Sale said:


 



Thewooh said:


I'm glad she continues to speak up.

 


 


I just hope(d) hope she would just communicate privately and legally.
All those fans who are anti-this group anti-that group whooping and hollering cannot do anything for her



 


 


Same. She should take this up privately with whomever she has beef with. Just seems like she's adding to the drama by doing it this way on Facebook and comes across as bitter. An engineer from Paisley Park in the 90's flamed her on Facebook a few months ago, saying he was 'warned about her' before he worked at Paisley Park and that she expected special treatment and stuff. There's always two sides to a story...

[Edited 8/23/17 7:23am]




Many people warned about Prince being difficult too and they would ask him about it in interviews.

.
[Edited 8/23/17 7:45am]
Baby, you're a star.

Meet me in another world, space and joy
Reply #51 posted 08/23/17 7:49am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

BillieBalloon said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

That isn't true either.

For example I don't believe Possessed included the Melvoins or Lisa

Books included other band members from the NPG years too. the Time Gayle Chapman Andre Cymone, Dez Dickerson etc So your post is an extreme exaggeration. Later years did not include those people you said. And people could have always spoken up. Sheila E for example never seemed to have a voice outside of adoration for Prince. But she also never just talked about her life and times until her book(while Prince was alive).

And sadly a lot of this right now is about the finality of death. That most of us know about but too often ignore. We always think there is tomorrow. How many of us just never thought Prince would be dead now. The shock of it. I never thought he would die before old age, but I also never thought of Prince being old. It is a shame that JJ never reached out to Prince about things. But Prince was also very 'anti' revisiting the past. And according a JJ interview about 6yrs ago. She and Prince never talked again after the whole GB thing, trying to get her 2nd album music released. Because I appreciate the white fox, I would be so willing to write a letter to those at WB.

Jills Facebook post and linking to the article is not about Prince and how many times they talked over the years. Its about the liner notes and the contribution of black artists to Princes legacy. . [Edited 8/23/17 7:42am]

Follow the post correctly and you'll understand way I said 'communicate' and what I'm talking about. When Prince was alive I WISH SHE WOULD HAVE TALKED TO PRINCE.

Who is Purple Rain?
It is about Prince. The liner notes are not different from the 1984 PR album

.

JJ even talked about Prince's wacky way of crediting.
And the race stuff is just so not the issue.

Again, any song she worked on, who was behind the crediting?

Susannah worked on PR vocal music too, but she was not credited, nor was she mentioned.
Jill Jones got the mention on the album.

.

You might like the way this all plays out, but you don't care for her overall best interest. There is a way to do things. And people creating anti-Mayte sites is trashy.

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #52 posted 08/23/17 8:06am

BillieBalloon

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



BillieBalloon said:


OldFriends4Sale said:

 


 


 


That isn't true either.


For example I don't believe Possessed included the Melvoins or Lisa


 


Books included other band members from the NPG years too. the Time Gayle Chapman Andre Cymone, Dez Dickerson etc So your post is an extreme exaggeration. Later years did not include those people you said. And people could have always spoken up.  Sheila E for example never seemed to have a voice outside of adoration for Prince.  But she also never just talked about her life and times until her book(while Prince was alive).


 


And sadly a lot of this right now is about the finality of death. That most of us know about but too often ignore. We always think there is tomorrow. How many of us just never thought Prince would be dead now. The shock of it. I never thought he would die before old age, but I also never thought of Prince being old.  It is a shame that JJ never reached out to Prince about things. But Prince was also very 'anti' revisiting the past. And according a JJ interview about 6yrs ago. She and Prince never talked again after the whole GB thing, trying to get her 2nd album music released.  Because I appreciate the white fox, I would be so willing to write a letter to those at WB.


 


 


 



Jills Facebook post and linking to the article is not about Prince and how many times they talked over the years. Its about the liner notes and the contribution of black artists to Princes legacy. . [Edited 8/23/17 7:42am]

 


Follow the post correctly and you'll understand way I said 'communicate' and what I'm talking about.  When Prince was alive I WISH SHE WOULD HAVE TALKED TO PRINCE.


Who is Purple Rain?
It is about Prince. The liner notes are not different from the 1984 PR album


.


JJ even talked about Prince's wacky way of crediting.
And the race stuff is just so not the issue.


Again, any song she worked on, who was behind the crediting?


Susannah worked on PR vocal music too, but she was not credited, nor was she mentioned.
Jill Jones got the mention on the album.


.


You might like the way this all plays out, but you don't care for her overall best interest. There is a way to do things. And people creating anti-Mayte sites is trashy.


 


 


 


 


 




This whole issue has nothing to do with Mayte, i did not mention her, only the article Jill linked to on the blog. Sheila has also had issues with getting her stuff back from PP, she too could have asked for her belongings while Prince was alive. I think some of these issues have happened because P never left instructions on what to do after he passed, Then everyone would have had to stay in their respective lanes.
Baby, you're a star.

Meet me in another world, space and joy
Reply #53 posted 08/23/17 8:29am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

BillieBalloon said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Follow the post correctly and you'll understand way I said 'communicate' and what I'm talking about. When Prince was alive I WISH SHE WOULD HAVE TALKED TO PRINCE.

Who is Purple Rain?
It is about Prince. The liner notes are not different from the 1984 PR album

.

JJ even talked about Prince's wacky way of crediting.
And the race stuff is just so not the issue.

Again, any song she worked on, who was behind the crediting?

Susannah worked on PR vocal music too, but she was not credited, nor was she mentioned.
Jill Jones got the mention on the album.

.

You might like the way this all plays out, but you don't care for her overall best interest. There is a way to do things. And people creating anti-Mayte sites is trashy.

This whole issue has nothing to do with Mayte, i did not mention her, only the article Jill linked to on the blog. Sheila has also had issues with getting her stuff back from PP, she too could have asked for her belongings while Prince was alive. I think some of these issues have happened because P never left instructions on what to do after he passed, Then everyone would have had to stay in their respective lanes.

The site where Jill linked to was the Beautiful Lies site which is anti Mayte

Sheila E isn't putting that stuff out on social media, just mentioned it in an interview while talking about confusion with the Estate.

That is correct Prince never left instructions, no will etc

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #54 posted 08/23/17 8:57am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

BillieBalloon said:

OldFriends4Sale said: This whole issue has nothing to do with Mayte, i did not mention her, only the article Jill linked to on the blog. Sheila has also had issues with getting her stuff back from PP, she too could have asked for her belongings while Prince was alive. I think some of these issues have happened because P never left instructions on what to do after he passed, Then everyone would have had to stay in their respective lanes.

The site where Jill linked to was the Beautiful Lies site which is anti Mayte

Sheila E isn't putting that stuff out on social media, just mentioned it in an interview while talking about confusion with the Estate.

That is correct Prince never left instructions, no will etc

He did leave instructions 1) Instructions for Paisley Park. 2) Contracts with Tidal 3) Contracts with WB

4) A LLC. The contracts in the case of WB are more concrete than a will since I yet to read anything in the court documents challenging the valididy of the WB contracts.

Contracts are directions.

Reply #55 posted 08/23/17 9:02am

Misslink88

I'm a little confused. Some people can go on tours, sell merch and tell their stories on media junkets and talk all they want but if someone else, who was also part of these stories says anything contrary, they are jealous, bitter, mentally deranged, or otherwise challenged because they didn't share their stories first? Is that how this works?

God is my Sugar Daddy.
Reply #56 posted 08/23/17 9:06am

laurarichardson

Musze said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

That isn't true either.

For example I don't believe Possessed included the Melvoins or Lisa

Books included other band members from the NPG years too. the Time Gayle Chapman Andre Cymone, Dez Dickerson etc So your post is an extreme exaggeration. Later years did not include those people you said. And people could have always spoken up. Sheila E for example never seemed to have a voice outside of adoration for Prince. But she also never just talked about her life and times until her book(while Prince was alive).

And sadly a lot of this right now is about the finality of death. That most of us know about but too often ignore. We always think there is tomorrow. How many of just never thought Prince would be dead now. The shock of it. I never thought he would die before old age, but I also never thought of Prince being old. It is a shame that JJ never reached out to Prince about things. But Prince was also very 'anti' revisiting the past. And according a JJ interview about 6yrs ago. She and Prince never talked again after the whole GB thing, trying to get her 2nd album music released. Because I appreciate the white fox, I would be so willing to write a letter to those at WB.

She, along with Appolonia and I can't recall who the third was, spent some time with him backstage at the Oakland P&M Shows. According to her, they planned to talk again in a couple of months about her daughter's recording career.

Do not waste your time with the facts. Jill has done whole podcast interviews about speaking to

Prince months before he passed and the Melvoins and Leeds have been running their mouths in books and interviews and making all sorts of asshole comments long before Prince passed.

Jill's issues are with a lack of credit, outright lies and white washing. She was open about her beefs with Prince and I bet he had beefs with her as well. She is not bitching about him on her Facebook posts. We know who she has beef with and we know why.

On YOUTUBE there is a whole hour long panel that Alan is on were he comes off as a bitter old man. I will not even go into Eric comments on the Mike Dean podcast. These people were bitter before Prince died and they are still bitter. They greatly overestimate or in Eric's case underestimate their talents and are now old and probaly hurting for cash.

Eric is actually selling a saxophone stand from Sign Of Times instead of taking that crap to the pawn shop.

Reply #57 posted 08/23/17 10:06am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Misslink88 said:

I'm a little confused. Some people can go on tours, sell merch and tell their stories on media junkets and talk all they want but if someone else, who was also part of these stories says anything contrary, they are jealous, bitter, mentally deranged, or otherwise challenged because they didn't share their stories first? Is that how this works?

That isn't what anyone is saying

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What's the matter with your life
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Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #58 posted 08/23/17 10:07am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

The site where Jill linked to was the Beautiful Lies site which is anti Mayte

Sheila E isn't putting that stuff out on social media, just mentioned it in an interview while talking about confusion with the Estate.

That is correct Prince never left instructions, no will etc

He did leave instructions 1) Instructions for Paisley Park. 2) Contracts with Tidal 3) Contracts with WB

4) A LLC. The contracts in the case of WB are more concrete than a will since I yet to read anything in the court documents challenging the valididy of the WB contracts.

Contracts are directions.

No Will.

Tidal, no written contract (unless Jay z produced one recently?)
yes of course WB & Universal...

But Billieballoon mentioned Sheila E getting stuff and why she cannot

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #59 posted 08/23/17 10:23am

Thewooh

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



BillieBalloon said:


OldFriends4Sale said:

 


 


 


That isn't true either.


For example I don't believe Possessed included the Melvoins or Lisa


 


Books included other band members from the NPG years too. the Time Gayle Chapman Andre Cymone, Dez Dickerson etc So your post is an extreme exaggeration. Later years did not include those people you said. And people could have always spoken up.  Sheila E for example never seemed to have a voice outside of adoration for Prince.  But she also never just talked about her life and times until her book(while Prince was alive).


 


And sadly a lot of this right now is about the finality of death. That most of us know about but too often ignore. We always think there is tomorrow. How many of us just never thought Prince would be dead now. The shock of it. I never thought he would die before old age, but I also never thought of Prince being old.  It is a shame that JJ never reached out to Prince about things. But Prince was also very 'anti' revisiting the past. And according a JJ interview about 6yrs ago. She and Prince never talked again after the whole GB thing, trying to get her 2nd album music released.  Because I appreciate the white fox, I would be so willing to write a letter to those at WB.


 


 


 



Jills Facebook post and linking to the article is not about Prince and how many times they talked over the years. Its about the liner notes and the contribution of black artists to Princes legacy. . [Edited 8/23/17 7:42am]

 


Follow the post correctly and you'll understand way I said 'communicate' and what I'm talking about.  When Prince was alive I WISH SHE WOULD HAVE TALKED TO PRINCE.


Who is Purple Rain?
It is about Prince. The liner notes are not different from the 1984 PR album


.


JJ even talked about Prince's wacky way of crediting.
And the race stuff is just so not the issue.


Again, any song she worked on, who was behind the crediting?


Susannah worked on PR vocal music too, but she was not credited, nor was she mentioned.
Jill Jones got the mention on the album.


.


You might like the way this all plays out, but you don't care for her overall best interest. There is a way to do things. And people creating anti-Mayte sites is trashy.


 


 


 


 


 



Susannah worked on PR vocal music!? Really? Please elaborate. Which songs?
Reply #60 posted 08/23/17 10:37am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Thewooh said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Follow the post correctly and you'll understand way I said 'communicate' and what I'm talking about. When Prince was alive I WISH SHE WOULD HAVE TALKED TO PRINCE.

Who is Purple Rain?
It is about Prince. The liner notes are not different from the 1984 PR album

.

JJ even talked about Prince's wacky way of crediting.
And the race stuff is just so not the issue.

Again, any song she worked on, who was behind the crediting?

Susannah worked on PR vocal music too, but she was not credited, nor was she mentioned.
Jill Jones got the mention on the album.

.

You might like the way this all plays out, but you don't care for her overall best interest. There is a way to do things. And people creating anti-Mayte sites is trashy.

Susannah worked on PR vocal music!? Really? Please elaborate. Which songs?

Sorry I mean PR era music ie Apollonia 6 album and Brenda Bennet talked about her with Noon Rendezvous

.

"From then on I started working (for Prince), singing backup and being called to sing back up on this or that song. I was singing on a couple of tracks for the Apollonia 6 record when they were filming Purple Rain."

.

I cannot copy and past script from this computer, type in the search in the upper left hand corner Susannah Melvoin interview Dyes Got the Answer...

.

There is an interview with JJ also where she talkes about how things started going bad between her and Prince after she was done promoting her album onward. Her battle with Prince releasing the 2nd album, her uncle Earl Jones passing etc

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #61 posted 08/23/17 10:49am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

He did leave instructions 1) Instructions for Paisley Park. 2) Contracts with Tidal 3) Contracts with WB

4) A LLC. The contracts in the case of WB are more concrete than a will since I yet to read anything in the court documents challenging the valididy of the WB contracts.

Contracts are directions.

No Will.

Tidal, no written contract (unless Jay z produced one recently?)
yes of course WB & Universal...

But Billieballoon mentioned Sheila E getting stuff and why she cannot

Yes, Tidal claims they have a contract ( Equity Term Agreement ) via a POA. You realize that if Tidal had nothing the music on their website would be off the site due to copyright infringement but you notice it is still up on that site.

In fact WB has put the videos on Tidal so obviously WB has no issue with Tidal. Tidal has something it is just a dispute on what aspects of Prince's music was included. The only person that had an issue with Tidal was L&K because any deal with Tidal would have interfered with their commission grabbing for the UMG deal.

Sheila can get her stuff she just has to file a claim which she mentioned.

I also never said he had a will I said he other legal instruments and structures. We also will never know if some funds were placed in a trust.

The deal with Universal for licesning was canceled and Prince had no contracts with UMG prior to his death.

[Edited 8/23/17 10:51am]

Reply #62 posted 08/23/17 10:59am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

No Will.

Tidal, no written contract (unless Jay z produced one recently?)
yes of course WB & Universal...

But Billieballoon mentioned Sheila E getting stuff and why she cannot

Yes, Tidal claims they have a contract ( Equity Term Agreement ) via a POA. You realize that if Tidal had nothing the music on their website would be off the site due to copyright infringement but you notice it is still up on that site.

In fact WB has put the videos on Tidal so obviously WB has no issue with Tidal. Tidal has something it is just a dispute on what aspects of Prince's music was included. The only person that had an issue with Tidal was L&K because any deal with Tidal would have interfered with their commission grabbing for the UMG deal.

Sheila can get her stuff she just has to file a claim which she mentioned.

I also never said he had a will I said he other legal instruments and structures. We also will never know if some funds were placed in a trust.

The deal with Universal for licesning was canceled and Prince had no contracts with UMG prior to his death.

[Edited 8/23/17 10:51am]

I lost interest in the follow up on that other thread about Jay Z/Tidal
So they haven't produced it yet?
Well that is good the 2 are working together.
Thanks, I thought that was probably the issue, something about what extent of the catalogue.

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #63 posted 08/23/17 11:42am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

Yes, Tidal claims they have a contract ( Equity Term Agreement ) via a POA. You realize that if Tidal had nothing the music on their website would be off the site due to copyright infringement but you notice it is still up on that site.

In fact WB has put the videos on Tidal so obviously WB has no issue with Tidal. Tidal has something it is just a dispute on what aspects of Prince's music was included. The only person that had an issue with Tidal was L&K because any deal with Tidal would have interfered with their commission grabbing for the UMG deal.

Sheila can get her stuff she just has to file a claim which she mentioned.

I also never said he had a will I said he other legal instruments and structures. We also will never know if some funds were placed in a trust.

The deal with Universal for licesning was canceled and Prince had no contracts with UMG prior to his death.

[Edited 8/23/17 10:51am]

I lost interest in the follow up on that other thread about Jay Z/Tidal
So they haven't produced it yet?
Well that is good the 2 are working together.
Thanks, I thought that was probably the issue, something about what extent of the catalogue.

They produced an equity term agreement and they say that someone ( we do not know who ) had Power of Attorney to sign for Prince. They also claim they sent 3 million in payment. I do not think this case would be moving to trial if Tidal had nothing and I definitely do not think that music would still be up on that site. The estate had no trouble getting a court to remove "Deliverence" immediatley.

Tidal is working with WB. The PR remaster is up and so are the videos. I think there is a contrautual reason for this.

Reply #64 posted 08/23/17 12:20pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I lost interest in the follow up on that other thread about Jay Z/Tidal
So they haven't produced it yet?
Well that is good the 2 are working together.
Thanks, I thought that was probably the issue, something about what extent of the catalogue.

They produced an equity term agreement and they say that someone ( we do not know who ) had Power of Attorney to sign for Prince. They also claim they sent 3 million in payment. I do not think this case would be moving to trial if Tidal had nothing and I definitely do not think that music would still be up on that site. The estate had no trouble getting a court to remove "Deliverence" immediatley.

Tidal is working with WB. The PR remaster is up and so are the videos. I think there is a contrautual reason for this.

Sounds good. At least there are 2 avenues of getting music to the public via different outlets.

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #65 posted 08/23/17 12:28pm

Misslink88

OldFriends4Sale said:

Misslink88 said:

I'm a little confused. Some people can go on tours, sell merch and tell their stories on media junkets and talk all they want but if someone else, who was also part of these stories says anything contrary, they are jealous, bitter, mentally deranged, or otherwise challenged because they didn't share their stories first? Is that how this works?

That isn't what anyone is saying

People posting that she should be private about it and contact people privately says exactly that.

God is my Sugar Daddy.
Reply #66 posted 08/23/17 12:31pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Misslink88 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

That isn't what anyone is saying

People posting that she should be private about it and contact people privately says exactly that.

No it isn't. people are saying the rants to hanger ons and fans picking teams are not doing anything for her. Some people just like to see that stuff because it fuels their psychopathic feuds with the P associates they don't like. None of this helps to get her voice to the right people.


.

people are messy and try to plant seeds where they may to get folk riled up.
I told Cat about that one time, when I saw a pattern of it happening on her page. That these so called supporters were just using her as a channel to bitch out someone. There are people doing the same to Jill. You could even read people posting their own beefs on that FB post of hers, so maybe she will go after someone else. It is pathetic sad and selfish.

A lot of the same people going 'team JJ' are some of the same ones calling her crazy because of it.

.
Private meaning, reaching out via the proper channels to speak with those targeted or those who can make a difference.
It ain't a bunch of cyberfans pushing their own agenda.

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #67 posted 08/23/17 1:19pm

Thewooh

Misslink88 said:

I'm a little confused.  Some people can go on tours, sell merch and tell their stories on media junkets and talk all they want but if someone else, who was also part of these stories says anything contrary, they are jealous, bitter, mentally deranged, or otherwise challenged because they didn't share their stories first?  Is that how this works?



This
Reply #68 posted 08/23/17 2:43pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I lost interest in the follow up on that other thread about Jay Z/Tidal
So they haven't produced it yet?
Well that is good the 2 are working together.
Thanks, I thought that was probably the issue, something about what extent of the catalogue.

They produced an equity term agreement and they say that someone ( we do not know who ) had Power of Attorney to sign for Prince. They also claim they sent 3 million in payment. I do not think this case would be moving to trial if Tidal had nothing and I definitely do not think that music would still be up on that site. The estate had no trouble getting a court to remove "Deliverence" immediatley.

Tidal is working with WB. The PR remaster is up and so are the videos. I think there is a contrautual reason for this.

I thought Bremer said in court documents Tidal had not produced the Equity Term Agreement even after they asked for it several times?

Reply #69 posted 08/23/17 2:49pm

anthonyspeaks

Strawberrylova123 said:

Jill Jones wrote on FB in response to this article:

http://www.mostbeautifull...this-lousy

Whoever wrote this article I sincerely want to THANK YOU. I guess I will get called the angry black woman as I seem to be portrayed as for speaking up AND OUT but I never revealed how deeply hurt I was by NOT ONLY THE OMISSION but the SERIOUS micro aggression asserted in these liner notes as my role in all of this. ( in the kitchen???) are you for fucking real? Amazing that the author of this article detected that.

We are living in some very interesting times. And the WHITE WASHING MUST STOP!

I don't have a racist bone in my body and I have always been for diversity. But don't get it twisted. The women of color in this camp are being draggggged. And the black men , emasculated. As if we were some stupid pickaninny bobble heads. And Prince only heard jazz via W & L. Forget that his father was a jazz musician? And FYI if ANYONE ANYONE introduced Prince to new forms and explorations and someone who gave him the " out" and Avenue to extricate himself from musical monotony & creative boredom in music, he found a new inspirational comrade it was Sheila. And after that the many genuinely talented musicians of great artistry and caliber who came along to compliment and bring new added value to his creations. Celebrate all of them.

Read the full commentary here:

https://www.facebook.com/...4968731040

Jill is ABSOLUTELY correct and i'm SO GLAD she's speaking up. It kills me how revisionist types fail to mention Prince's (successful)musical associations with Andre Cymone, Dez Dickerson, Jesse Johnson, Morris Day, Sheila E., Levi Seacer, Sonny T./Michael B, Morris Hayes, Kirk Johnson, Tony M., Foley, John Blackwell, Josh Welton and anybody else who's collaborated with Prince who happens to not be white. No disrespect to the white artists and musicians and engineers he worked with, but they can't take all the credit for his growth and artistry. And, real talk, the entities doing the interviews shuld be seeking out all the great folks i mentioned doing interviews where they delve into their collaborative relationships with Prince. Jill NEEDS to write a book because she saw alot and knows alot. I also love the fact that she gave Sheila props too. Many under-estimate Sheila's presence during the Revolution days; she and Juan and some of her band were featured with the Revolution in live performance during the Purple Rain tour(the first hinting at a Counter Revolution), acoustic drums and percussion work and production with Apollonia 6, ATWIAD, Parade. So it wasn't a surprise that she assumed the drum and musical director role during SOTT. Prince DEFINITELY was influenced by and collaborated with more great artists and musicians than Wendy, Lisa, Eric Leeds and Susan Rogers.

Reply #70 posted 08/23/17 3:00pm

tab32792

Misslink88 said:

I'm a little confused. Some people can go on tours, sell merch and tell their stories on media junkets and talk all they want but if someone else, who was also part of these stories says anything contrary, they are jealous, bitter, mentally deranged, or otherwise challenged because they didn't share their stories first? Is that how this works?

on here, yes

Reply #71 posted 08/23/17 3:50pm

2elijah

All I can say is...Jill keep telling it like it is. clapping
Reply #72 posted 08/23/17 5:17pm

Misslink88

OldFriends4Sale said:

Misslink88 said:

People posting that she should be private about it and contact people privately says exactly that.

Not it isn't. people are saying the rants to hanger ons and fans picking teams are not doing anything for her. Some people just like to see that stuff because it fuels their psychopathic feuds with the P associates they don't like. None of this helps to get her voice to the right people.


.

people are messy and try to plant seeds where they may to get folk riled up.
I told Cat about that one time, when I saw a pattern of it happening on her page. That these so called supporters were just using her as a channel to bitch out someone. There are people doing the same to Jill. You could even read people posting their own beefs on that FB post of hers, so maybe she will go after someone else. It is pathetic sad and selfish.

A lot of the same people going 'team JJ' are some of the same ones calling her crazy because of it.

.
Private meaning, reaching out via the proper channels to speak with those targeted or those who can make a difference.
It ain't a bunch of cyberfans pushing their own agenda.

If you can see that "fans are picking teams" and "None of this helps to get her voice to the right people" then you can see that she has a legitimate gripe because you even suggest "reaching out via the proper channels...who can make a difference". She has taken a stance on a channel available to her. That is her choice.

God is my Sugar Daddy.
Reply #73 posted 08/23/17 5:40pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Misslink88 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Not it isn't. people are saying the rants to hanger ons and fans picking teams are not doing anything for her. Some people just like to see that stuff because it fuels their psychopathic feuds with the P associates they don't like. None of this helps to get her voice to the right people.


.

people are messy and try to plant seeds where they may to get folk riled up.
I told Cat about that one time, when I saw a pattern of it happening on her page. That these so called supporters were just using her as a channel to bitch out someone. There are people doing the same to Jill. You could even read people posting their own beefs on that FB post of hers, so maybe she will go after someone else. It is pathetic sad and selfish.

A lot of the same people going 'team JJ' are some of the same ones calling her crazy because of it.

.
Private meaning, reaching out via the proper channels to speak with those targeted or those who can make a difference.
It ain't a bunch of cyberfans pushing their own agenda.

If you can see that "fans are picking teams" and "None of this helps to get her voice to the right people" then you can see that she has a legitimate gripe because you even suggest "reaching out via the proper channels...who can make a difference". She has taken a stance on a channel available to her. That is her choice.

I never said the gripe about the album credit was not legitimate.

And everything else I said still stands. If you encourage it, well that is the side of the fence you are on.

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #74 posted 08/23/17 5:41pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

2elijah said:

All I can say is...Jill keep telling it like it is. clapping

You don't care about JJ.

Did you follow any of the stuff she said post 2016

Chris Brown...

But out of respect to JJ right now, I won't say anything about the use of race.
But I will respond to people here and just say 'Remember Janet Huberts' reply 2 Jada'

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #75 posted 08/23/17 5:42pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Thewooh said:

Misslink88 said:

I'm a little confused. Some people can go on tours, sell merch and tell their stories on media junkets and talk all they want but if someone else, who was also part of these stories says anything contrary, they are jealous, bitter, mentally deranged, or otherwise challenged because they didn't share their stories first? Is that how this works?

This

eh you're not confused you like the drama

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #76 posted 08/23/17 5:46pm

purplefam99

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



BillieBalloon said:


laurarichardson said:

 


If I had a booth at a event I doubt I would in a position to ban someone and as long as I was not being threten with physical harm who would even bother to take my request seriously. 


 


I do not recall Jill saying she was going to  hurt anyone in the Revolution and if she was saying things that are not true why are they worried?  I suspect that she is saying things that are are true and they do not want to hear it or are fearful that people will listen to her althought their actions now make her words seem creditable. 


 


If they believe her statements are untrue they should be adults and discuss it with her not act like scared children. Why are they afraid of this women? 


 


 


 



Theyre not afraid of her, theyre trying to sideline her. No pics of Jill at PP means no media coverage. Its about making her irrelevant. I highly doubt Wendy is afraid of Jill.

 


 


No one said anything about being Afraid.  But if you go someplace for a specific cause or event, you don't want to be distracted with any kind of arguements or such.
This isn't even about picking sides.
Any people entertaining, put themselves in a place where they can be relaxed and prepare to perform.


 


 



Seems like since the Revolution were not on site everyday of the celebration
She should have been able to attend at least three of the other days if they
Needed space. I don't think George Clinton would have minded JJ presence.
Reply #77 posted 08/23/17 5:50pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

anthonyspeaks said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

Jill Jones wrote on FB in response to this article:

http://www.mostbeautifull...this-lousy

Whoever wrote this article I sincerely want to THANK YOU. I guess I will get called the angry black woman as I seem to be portrayed as for speaking up AND OUT but I never revealed how deeply hurt I was by NOT ONLY THE OMISSION but the SERIOUS micro aggression asserted in these liner notes as my role in all of this. ( in the kitchen???) are you for fucking real? Amazing that the author of this article detected that.

We are living in some very interesting times. And the WHITE WASHING MUST STOP!

I don't have a racist bone in my body and I have always been for diversity. But don't get it twisted. The women of color in this camp are being draggggged. And the black men , emasculated. As if we were some stupid pickaninny bobble heads. And Prince only heard jazz via W & L. Forget that his father was a jazz musician? And FYI if ANYONE ANYONE introduced Prince to new forms and explorations and someone who gave him the " out" and Avenue to extricate himself from musical monotony & creative boredom in music, he found a new inspirational comrade it was Sheila. And after that the many genuinely talented musicians of great artistry and caliber who came along to compliment and bring new added value to his creations. Celebrate all of them.

Read the full commentary here:

https://www.facebook.com/...4968731040

Jill is ABSOLUTELY correct and i'm SO GLAD she's speaking up. It kills me how revisionist types fail to mention Prince's (successful)musical associations with Andre Cymone, Dez Dickerson, Jesse Johnson, Morris Day, Sheila E., Levi Seacer, Sonny T./Michael B, Morris Hayes, Kirk Johnson, Tony M., Foley, John Blackwell, Josh Welton and anybody else who's collaborated with Prince who happens to not be white. No disrespect to the white artists and musicians and engineers he worked with, but they can't take all the credit for his growth and artistry. And, real talk, the entities doing the interviews shuld be seeking out all the great folks i mentioned doing interviews where they delve into their collaborative relationships with Prince. Jill NEEDS to write a book because she saw alot and knows alot. I also love the fact that she gave Sheila props too. Many under-estimate Sheila's presence during the Revolution days; she and Juan and some of her band were featured with the Revolution in live performance during the Purple Rain tour(the first hinting at a Counter Revolution), acoustic drums and percussion work and production with Apollonia 6, ATWIAD, Parade. So it wasn't a surprise that she assumed the drum and musical director role during SOTT. Prince DEFINITELY was influenced by and collaborated with more great artists and musicians than Wendy, Lisa, Eric Leeds and Susan Rogers.

Oh stop

no one is failing to mention these other people

Where have U been? So many people are 'tired' of Sheila E right now for all of the stuff she is saying since Prince died.
There are so many articles on the other people mentioned. If you notice most of the people U mentioned were men...
BUT as I told someone else, it is very interesting how too much of everything revolves around 'female associates' and there are a few reasons for that.

It isn't any 'revisionist types' unless U mean mostly female fans teaming with their fav female associates...

If you even look at past discussions about 'favorite proteges' You would think by the responses that protege means 'female associate artists' the Time St Paul Eric Mazarati Madhouse etc are not the usual responses...

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #78 posted 08/23/17 5:52pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

They produced an equity term agreement and they say that someone ( we do not know who ) had Power of Attorney to sign for Prince. They also claim they sent 3 million in payment. I do not think this case would be moving to trial if Tidal had nothing and I definitely do not think that music would still be up on that site. The estate had no trouble getting a court to remove "Deliverence" immediatley.

Tidal is working with WB. The PR remaster is up and so are the videos. I think there is a contrautual reason for this.

I thought Bremer said in court documents Tidal had not produced the Equity Term Agreement even after they asked for it several times?

I would like to know any updates on this

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #79 posted 08/23/17 5:54pm

purplefam99

OldFriends4Sale said:

 


 


Hey I'd the first to get it going, if we/I had a contact @ WB to talk them about future PR reissues and making a full thurough crediting is used. Not for controversy sake but because I've always liked to know who did what on what.

Prince had the final say originally on crediting the way he did.  So the real 'arguement' is with Prince finally.


 


 




I totally agree that the argument should have been with Prince. He was the wizard!! But respectfully, if I am Dorothy and the wizard is gone I'm not gonna let tin man
And the lion get my share of the yellow brick road. smile
Reply #80 posted 08/23/17 6:12pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

purplefam99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Hey I'd the first to get it going, if we/I had a contact @ WB to talk them about future PR reissues and making a full thurough crediting is used. Not for controversy sake but because I've always liked to know who did what on what.

Prince had the final say originally on crediting the way he did. So the real 'arguement' is with Prince finally.

I totally agree that the argument should have been with Prince. He was the wizard!! But respectfully, if I am Dorothy and the wizard is gone I'm not gonna let tin man And the lion get my share of the yellow brick road. smile

I'm all in support of Jill and her credits.

My arguement is the way to go about it.

I mean, your putting your 'name' out there in a certain way

the PR deluxe credits is just 1 recent thing.
Your name is your brand your name is you.

I know there are people who enjoy watching Jill 'go off'

and I don't think it is cool.

I had a coworker who I started calling 'little satan'
he would innocently come into my office and bring up events that transpired with coworkers

and I would respond, then he would 'nudge me' and I would go off on the topic

I never felt good about it afterwards. I felt like I was expoited or something.
Or a sign I didn't have control of my 'spirit' my inner person.
And I resolved to not allow myself to respond anymore.
If I had an issue with someone I would just talk to them and let him know, "hey me and __ worked it out" or "man that is nothing"

He came as usual to do the same thing, and sat in my space.
Did his thing, and I told him '____' He told me, "But I like to see you get riled it, it is entertaining'

I was stunned at the reply.

That is what I see people doing with certain associate females.

I said earlier, and maybe I'll even reach out to Jill, but if there is something a respectful way to present this and someone official, I would even draft something that just maybe can call attention and respect to this part of the music and artistry.

And I hope her album is reissued and gets a 'Deluxe' treatment as well

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I remember a few years ago before Cat go sick. There were some people doing the same thing.
They were post stuff from other sites even the org "Look Cat look what they said, You better go in on the girl whooo get em Cat" 1/2 the stuff was miscontrude.
And I got so angry, I post right on her page in reply telling Cat not to let people drag you into these things. And I straight out said 'if these people loved you and cared for you they would not etc..' And I specifically went into how this stuff effects your health after a while.

I'm glad now she censors that stuff mostly and doesn't feed into it. But when she blows it goes...

I don't like when her daughter get's involved.
Cat and the SOTT move release debate is up

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#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #81 posted 08/23/17 6:26pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

purplefam99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

No one said anything about being Afraid. But if you go someplace for a specific cause or event, you don't want to be distracted with any kind of arguements or such.
This isn't even about picking sides.
Any people entertaining, put themselves in a place where they can be relaxed and prepare to perform.

Seems like since the Revolution were not on site everyday of the celebration She should have been able to attend at least three of the other days if they Needed space. I don't think George Clinton would have minded JJ presence.

Because the ban had nothing to do with them.

Apollonia Brenda especially were at all the Revolution shows in Sept 2016 on stage. Well Brenda missed the first night. Apollonia was a guest @ Bobby Z's my purple heart show in 2014

These people were banned for something Apollonia did in the museum allegedly against rules.

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #82 posted 08/23/17 8:05pm

purplefam99

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



purplefam99 said:


OldFriends4Sale said:

 


 


 


No one said anything about being Afraid.  But if you go someplace for a specific cause or event, you don't want to be distracted with any kind of arguements or such.
This isn't even about picking sides.
Any people entertaining, put themselves in a place where they can be relaxed and prepare to perform.


 


 



Seems like since the Revolution were not on site everyday of the celebration She should have been able to attend at least three of the other days if they Needed space. I don't think George Clinton would have minded JJ presence.

 


Because the ban had nothing to do with them.


Apollonia Brenda especially were at all the Revolution shows in Sept 2016 on stage. Well Brenda missed the first night. Apollonia was a guest @ Bobby Z's my purple heart show in 2014


These people were banned for something Apollonia did in the museum allegedly against rules.


 


 



Ahhh yes, thx. I was thinking of the Rev's request for space, but yes your correct the initial ban was for another reason. Although it is still un fair to ban JJ if she wasn't there when the initial incident went down and if the Rev said
Anything that made the ban from PP stick, that is also not ok. My feeling.
Reply #83 posted 08/23/17 8:26pm

SoulAlive

like someone said,Jill's problem is actually with Prince.He was the one in charge of giving credit and identifying those people who made contributions to his work.
Reply #84 posted 08/23/17 8:42pm

purplefam99

SoulAlive said:

like someone said,Jill's problem is actually with Prince.He was the one in charge of giving credit and identifying those people who made contributions to his work.



Yes it was OF4S, that pointed that the beef is with P, and I agree.
Reply #85 posted 08/24/17 12:54am

SoulAlive

OldFriends4Sale said:

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nuts

Reply #86 posted 08/24/17 1:04am

SoulAlive

lol

Reply #87 posted 08/24/17 4:02am

laurarichardson

SoulAlive said:

like someone said,Jill's problem is actually with Prince.He was the one in charge of giving credit and identifying those people who made contributions to his work.

But Prince is not around and he is not one who was involved with leaving her out of the liner notes.

Since Susan R, and the Reveloution took over and they know about her contributions.

Jill is beefing with the right people.

Reply #88 posted 08/24/17 4:03am

laurarichardson

SoulAlive said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

21077680_1764529266908181_5020787732769787967_n.jpg?oh=513a6ee29b435eaffec0a5918c63f582&oe=5A27B420

nuts

Amber and Cat need to knock it off. It does not matter who directed the movie it matters who owns the rights to the film. Why would she want to the movie to not been shown. Now that Showtime has it and it is on their pay per view new generations will get to see it.

I hope the estate thinks about licensing out other footage they have to cable channel or streaming channels. Give everyone a chance to see the footage and is a nice revenue stream for the estate.

[Edited 8/24/17 4:24am]

Reply #89 posted 08/24/17 5:45am

OldFriends4Sale

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laurarichardson said:

SoulAlive said:

nuts

Amber and Cat need to knock it off. It does not matter who directed the movie it matters who owns the rights to the film. Why would she want to the movie to not been shown. Now that Showtime has it and it is on their pay per view new generations will get to see it.

I hope the estate thinks about licensing out other footage they have to cable channel or streaming channels. Give everyone a chance to see the footage and is a nice revenue stream for the estate.

[Edited 8/24/17 4:24am]

I agree.
It seems that Cat is mislead into thinking there is 'Unreleased Footage' ie Outtakes from the film

I think that is why she is responding the way she is

I would see GB played on tv and sold in stores but not SOTT. I would prefer the other way around.

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Reply #90 posted 08/24/17 6:09am

PennyPurple

OldFriends4Sale said:

I agree.
It seems that Cat is mislead into thinking there is 'Unreleased Footage' ie Outtakes from the film

I think that is why she is responding the way she is

I would see GB played on tv and sold in stores but not SOTT. I would prefer the other way around.

Even if there is unreleased footage, Cat still doesn't own the rights, and it can still be shown. They don't need her permission.

Reply #91 posted 08/24/17 6:29am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

purplefam99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Because the ban had nothing to do with them.

Apollonia Brenda especially were at all the Revolution shows in Sept 2016 on stage. Well Brenda missed the first night. Apollonia was a guest @ Bobby Z's my purple heart show in 2014

These people were banned for something Apollonia did in the museum allegedly against rules.

Ahhh yes, thx. I was thinking of the Rev's request for space, but yes your correct the initial ban was for another reason. Although it is still un fair to ban JJ if she wasn't there when the initial incident went down and if the Rev said Anything that made the ban from PP stick, that is also not ok. My feeling.

It is possible the estate/PP heard of a lot of the gripes JJ put out on social media, and I think she did have a verbal altercation with PP people. And wasn't Kirk at this event? Didn't JJ go off go after Kirk, calling him a liar? I don't know why people are putting the issue on the Revolution, when the Kirk angle could be IT

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Reply #92 posted 08/24/17 6:38am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

purplefam99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said: Ahhh yes, thx. I was thinking of the Rev's request for space, but yes your correct the initial ban was for another reason. Although it is still un fair to ban JJ if she wasn't there when the initial incident went down and if the Rev said Anything that made the ban from PP stick, that is also not ok. My feeling.

It is possible the estate/PP heard of a lot of the gripes JJ put out on social media, and I think she did have a verbal altercation with PP people. And wasn't Kirk at this event? Didn't JJ go off go after Kirk, calling him a liar? I don't know why people are putting the issue on the Revolution, when the Kirk angle could be IT

Where did you hear that she had a verbal altercation with the PP people? The meeting was held with Hucky to specifically address her being kept away from the Revoluion not Kirk. Also in the court docs Kirk has a contract with the estate so I am not sure why everyone thinks he is making decisions at PP? or why if he is this does not distrub people.

Reply #93 posted 08/24/17 6:44am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

anthonyspeaks said:

Jill is ABSOLUTELY correct and i'm SO GLAD she's speaking up. It kills me how revisionist types fail to mention Prince's (successful)musical associations with Andre Cymone, Dez Dickerson, Jesse Johnson, Morris Day, Sheila E., Levi Seacer, Sonny T./Michael B, Morris Hayes, Kirk Johnson, Tony M., Foley, John Blackwell, Josh Welton and anybody else who's collaborated with Prince who happens to not be white. No disrespect to the white artists and musicians and engineers he worked with, but they can't take all the credit for his growth and artistry. And, real talk, the entities doing the interviews shuld be seeking out all the great folks i mentioned doing interviews where they delve into their collaborative relationships with Prince. Jill NEEDS to write a book because she saw alot and knows alot. I also love the fact that she gave Sheila props too. Many under-estimate Sheila's presence during the Revolution days; she and Juan and some of her band were featured with the Revolution in live performance during the Purple Rain tour(the first hinting at a Counter Revolution), acoustic drums and percussion work and production with Apollonia 6, ATWIAD, Parade. So it wasn't a surprise that she assumed the drum and musical director role during SOTT. Prince DEFINITELY was influenced by and collaborated with more great artists and musicians than Wendy, Lisa, Eric Leeds and Susan Rogers.

Oh stop

no one is failing to mention these other people

Where have U been? So many people are 'tired' of Sheila E right now for all of the stuff she is saying since Prince died.
There are so many articles on the other people mentioned. If you notice most of the people U mentioned were men...
BUT as I told someone else, it is very interesting how too much of everything revolves around 'female associates' and there are a few reasons for that.

It isn't any 'revisionist types' unless U mean mostly female fans teaming with their fav female associates...

If you even look at past discussions about 'favorite proteges' You would think by the responses that protege means 'female associate artists' the Time St Paul Eric Mazarati Madhouse etc are not the usual responses...

What has Sheila E said about Prince since he passed that is bad. I have not seen what single comment about him by her that was in the least big disparging. She would be in her rights to say something since he dogged her but she makes excuses for his behaivor to this day.

The other people are giving scant time on this board and now when I try to post info about the PRN Alumni foundation it is droppied in the the Podcast area when it should be a sticky but my guess is the Dave Hamptons ( you know someone black who knows about the vault because he actually worked in it within the last decade and not 30 years ago ) is not deemed important on this board.

Reply #94 posted 08/24/17 6:57am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Oh stop

no one is failing to mention these other people

Where have U been? So many people are 'tired' of Sheila E right now for all of the stuff she is saying since Prince died.
There are so many articles on the other people mentioned. If you notice most of the people U mentioned were men...
BUT as I told someone else, it is very interesting how too much of everything revolves around 'female associates' and there are a few reasons for that.

It isn't any 'revisionist types' unless U mean mostly female fans teaming with their fav female associates...

If you even look at past discussions about 'favorite proteges' You would think by the responses that protege means 'female associate artists' the Time St Paul Eric Mazarati Madhouse etc are not the usual responses...

What has Sheila E said about Prince since he passed that is bad. I have not seen what single comment about him by her that was in the least big disparging. She would be in her rights to say something since he dogged her but she makes excuses for his behaivor to this day.

The other people are giving scant time on this board and now when I try to post info about the PRN Alumni foundation it is droppied in the the Podcast area when it should be a sticky but my guess is the Dave Hamptons ( you know someone black who knows about the vault because he actually worked in it within the last decade and not 30 years ago ) is not deemed important on this board.

She said nothing bad. I mean all the people saying they are looking at Sheila weird thinking she is cashing in and trying to place herself in a more important place etc It is like if any of them do something they wouldn't do the person is now 'suspect' or something

.

I wouldn't know if Dave was white or black. Just remember that there are alot of people, that are just not know/visually, because they were not 'stage/video' people. So people would not know a race or ethnicity of person.

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Reply #95 posted 08/24/17 7:01am

Misslink88

OldFriends4Sale said:

Misslink88 said:

If you can see that "fans are picking teams" and "None of this helps to get her voice to the right people" then you can see that she has a legitimate gripe because you even suggest "reaching out via the proper channels...who can make a difference". She has taken a stance on a channel available to her. That is her choice.

I never said the gripe about the album credit was not legitimate.

And everything else I said still stands. If you encourage it, well that is the side of the fence you are on.

I encourage Free Speech. For everyone.

God is my Sugar Daddy.
Reply #96 posted 08/24/17 7:12am

Misslink88

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Oh stop

no one is failing to mention these other people

Where have U been? So many people are 'tired' of Sheila E right now for all of the stuff she is saying since Prince died.
There are so many articles on the other people mentioned. If you notice most of the people U mentioned were men...
BUT as I told someone else, it is very interesting how too much of everything revolves around 'female associates' and there are a few reasons for that.

It isn't any 'revisionist types' unless U mean mostly female fans teaming with their fav female associates...

If you even look at past discussions about 'favorite proteges' You would think by the responses that protege means 'female associate artists' the Time St Paul Eric Mazarati Madhouse etc are not the usual responses...

What has Sheila E said about Prince since he passed that is bad. I have not seen what single comment about him by her that was in the least big disparging. She would be in her rights to say something since he dogged her but she makes excuses for his behaivor to this day.

The other people are giving scant time on this board and now when I try to post info about the PRN Alumni foundation it is droppied in the the Podcast area when it should be a sticky but my guess is the Dave Hamptons ( you know someone black who knows about the vault because he actually worked in it within the last decade and not 30 years ago ) is not deemed important on this board.

Dave Hampton and the other engineers are well known on this board to any long-time fans - or they were.

God is my Sugar Daddy.
Reply #97 posted 08/24/17 7:15am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

What has Sheila E said about Prince since he passed that is bad. I have not seen what single comment about him by her that was in the least big disparging. She would be in her rights to say something since he dogged her but she makes excuses for his behaivor to this day.

The other people are giving scant time on this board and now when I try to post info about the PRN Alumni foundation it is droppied in the the Podcast area when it should be a sticky but my guess is the Dave Hamptons ( you know someone black who knows about the vault because he actually worked in it within the last decade and not 30 years ago ) is not deemed important on this board.

She said nothing bad. I mean all the people saying they are looking at Sheila weird thinking she is cashing in and trying to place herself in a more important place etc It is like if any of them do something they wouldn't do the person is now 'suspect' or something

.

I wouldn't know if Dave was white or black. Just remember that there are alot of people, that are just not know/visually, because they were not 'stage/video' people. So people would not know a race or ethnicity of person.

Sheila is a working/touring musician was doing this long before Prince passed and continued to be a talent scout for him for years as well as touring with him until 2012. The people bitching are the people who do not give a crap about the associates who are not W&L.

Who are not even the most successful of the associates.

Reply #98 posted 08/24/17 7:16am

laurarichardson

Misslink88 said:

laurarichardson said:

What has Sheila E said about Prince since he passed that is bad. I have not seen what single comment about him by her that was in the least big disparging. She would be in her rights to say something since he dogged her but she makes excuses for his behaivor to this day.

The other people are giving scant time on this board and now when I try to post info about the PRN Alumni foundation it is droppied in the the Podcast area when it should be a sticky but my guess is the Dave Hamptons ( you know someone black who knows about the vault because he actually worked in it within the last decade and not 30 years ago ) is not deemed important on this board.

Dave Hampton and the other engineers are well known on this board to any long-time fans - or they were.

Really can of hard to tell when a really good interview with him his buried.

Reply #99 posted 08/24/17 7:18am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

What has Sheila E said about Prince since he passed that is bad. I have not seen what single comment about him by her that was in the least big disparging. She would be in her rights to say something since he dogged her but she makes excuses for his behaivor to this day.

The other people are giving scant time on this board and now when I try to post info about the PRN Alumni foundation it is droppied in the the Podcast area when it should be a sticky but my guess is the Dave Hamptons ( you know someone black who knows about the vault because he actually worked in it within the last decade and not 30 years ago ) is not deemed important on this board.

She said nothing bad. I mean all the people saying they are looking at Sheila weird thinking she is cashing in and trying to place herself in a more important place etc It is like if any of them do something they wouldn't do the person is now 'suspect' or something

.

I wouldn't know if Dave was white or black. Just remember that there are alot of people, that are just not know/visually, because they were not 'stage/video' people. So people would not know a race or ethnicity of person.

If people took the time to listen or read his interviews they would know. I suspect a few people on this board know.

Reply #100 posted 08/24/17 7:25am

Misslink88

laurarichardson said:

Misslink88 said:

Dave Hampton and the other engineers are well known on this board to any long-time fans - or they were.

Really can of hard to tell when a really good interview with him his buried.

It's a really good interview with a great perspective on the vault music and how it should/could be handled. Definately worthy of discussion on the main board since, as you say, he was there and worked with P on actual vault material.

God is my Sugar Daddy.
Reply #101 posted 08/24/17 7:37am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

She said nothing bad. I mean all the people saying they are looking at Sheila weird thinking she is cashing in and trying to place herself in a more important place etc It is like if any of them do something they wouldn't do the person is now 'suspect' or something

.

I wouldn't know if Dave was white or black. Just remember that there are alot of people, that are just not know/visually, because they were not 'stage/video' people. So people would not know a race or ethnicity of person.

If people took the time to listen or read his interviews they would know. I suspect a few people on this board know.

Yeah, I mean there is sooo much happening and so many people who did, do, work(ed) with Prince. all the legal people the video people technicians etc

It is just a lot

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Reply #102 posted 08/24/17 7:40am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

She said nothing bad. I mean all the people saying they are looking at Sheila weird thinking she is cashing in and trying to place herself in a more important place etc It is like if any of them do something they wouldn't do the person is now 'suspect' or something

.

I wouldn't know if Dave was white or black. Just remember that there are alot of people, that are just not know/visually, because they were not 'stage/video' people. So people would not know a race or ethnicity of person.

Sheila is a working/touring musician was doing this long before Prince passed and continued to be a talent scout for him for years as well as touring with him until 2012. The people bitching are the people who do not give a crap about the associates who are not W&L.

Who are not even the most successful of the associates.

No these people are bitching about anyone. They hate the Revolution Sheila E Tyka

I'm talking about the 'reactionary' responses that have been happening since he passed

And they are pretty successful, this has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. It doesn't matter who it is, everyone comes under attack, which is sometimes a part of the Anger process of someones death. The lash out at whoever is available. Hell there were some people who posted saying the fans killed him expecting him to keep going etc

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Reply #103 posted 08/24/17 7:44am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Misslink88 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I never said the gripe about the album credit was not legitimate.

And everything else I said still stands. If you encourage it, well that is the side of the fence you are on.

I encourage Free Speech. For everyone.

Yeah, Free Speech is never free, there is always a cost.
You can freely say what you want to someone you love, but you better be ready for the consequences of that free speech. Some things once gone out of your mouth cannot be taken back. Lots of broken relationships because people feel free to say whatever they want.

There is a time and place for everything.

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What's the matter with your life
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Did he put your million dollar check
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Reply #104 posted 08/24/17 8:13am

Misslink88

OldFriends4Sale said:

Misslink88 said:

I encourage Free Speech. For everyone.

Yeah, Free Speech is never free, there is always a cost.
You can freely say what you want to someone you love, but you better be ready for the consequences of that free speech. Some things once gone out of your mouth cannot be taken back. Lots of broken relationships because people feel free to say whatever they want.

There is a time and place for everthing.

Everyone involved, talking about a dearly loved public icon who is no longer here and what is being said about him, in public, knows this. Jill has spoken out about her experiences. All the narratives have been discussed publicly. All of them have "camps". All are impacted by the comments of said camps. You can't siingle Jill out as the only one being "tarnished" or manipulated by those who support her or vice versa. All the parties understand the two-edged sword of public statements. Perhaps that's why P didn't engage in this? He spoke through his music - a one-way conversation.

God is my Sugar Daddy.
Reply #105 posted 08/24/17 8:45am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Misslink88 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yeah, Free Speech is never free, there is always a cost.
You can freely say what you want to someone you love, but you better be ready for the consequences of that free speech. Some things once gone out of your mouth cannot be taken back. Lots of broken relationships because people feel free to say whatever they want.

There is a time and place for everthing.

Everyone involved, talking about a dearly loved public icon who is no longer here and what is being said about him, in public, knows this. Jill has spoken out about her experiences. All the narratives have been discussed publicly. All of them have "camps". All are impacted by the comments of said camps. You can't siingle Jill out as the only one being "tarnished" or manipulated by those who support her or vice versa. All the parties understand the two-edged sword of public statements. Perhaps that's why P didn't engage in this? He spoke through his music - a one-way conversation.

Yeah you are just argueing. You are not even listening to what I'm saying.
I never said JJ couldn't/shouldn't say anything.

You are being selective in what you read.
In a reply to another member I said it is happening to Cat as well and to other associates usually female. I never single JJ out as the only one. BUT the thread is about JJ FB post.

I said the channel to do it is the problem.
you probably like the rants (that she usually deletes)

It doesn't help her brand.
I want it to go better for her.

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Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
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Reply #106 posted 08/24/17 9:37am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

Misslink88 said:

I encourage Free Speech. For everyone.

Yeah, Free Speech is never free, there is always a cost.
You can freely say what you want to someone you love, but you better be ready for the consequences of that free speech. Some things once gone out of your mouth cannot be taken back. Lots of broken relationships because people feel free to say whatever they want.

There is a time and place for everthing.

If you are speaking of Jill you might take into considration that her relationship with the Rev was not that good to begin with. She does not seem to care about the consequences, who said she is taking anything back, and her time is when she decideds it is her time.

Let's encourage free speech and the truth.

Reply #107 posted 08/24/17 9:47am

Thewooh

laurarichardson said:

 



OldFriends4Sale said:


 



Misslink88 said:


 


I encourage Free Speech.  For everyone.



 


Yeah, Free Speech is never free, there is always a cost.
You can freely say what you want to someone you love, but you better be ready for the consequences of that free speech. Some things once gone out of your mouth cannot be taken back.  Lots of broken relationships because people feel free to say whatever they want.


 


There is a time and place for everthing.


 


 



If you are speaking of Jill you might take into considration that her relationship with the Rev was not that good to begin with. She does not seem to care about the consequences, who said she is taking anything back, and her time is when she decideds it is her time. 


 


Let's encourage free speech and the truth. 



Oldfriends doesn't like anyone contradicting the Melvoins & co. wink
Reply #108 posted 08/24/17 9:53am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yeah, Free Speech is never free, there is always a cost.
You can freely say what you want to someone you love, but you better be ready for the consequences of that free speech. Some things once gone out of your mouth cannot be taken back. Lots of broken relationships because people feel free to say whatever they want.

There is a time and place for everthing.

If you are speaking of Jill you might take into considration that her relationship with the Rev was not that good to begin with. She does not seem to care about the consequences, who said she is taking anything back, and her time is when she decideds it is her time.

Let's encourage free speech and the truth.

No that was just addressing Free Speech, which a lot of people don't seem to understand
I cannot see how she had a problem with the revolution prior to Sept 2016. There didn't seem to be a problem 2012 @ First Avenue or before, why would there be.
Lisa & Wendy as of March 2016 seemed to support her posting a counter to a post about Jill

.

But yes people do 'regret' what they say. I hope people do or that makes us sociopaths.
Poeple say things/post things on social media or in the public all the time they regret and wish they could take back. Same with intimate relationships.
Do you think Jill wishes she could have taken back when she posted on her FB in agreement with Sinead OConner, refering to Prince as being like 'Chris Brown'?

.

Again and again, I encourage her communicating her desires. But a better avenue than a bunch of self serving fans who seem to only care about either the 'entertainment' aspect of it, or because the live vicariously through her to target the people/person/group they don't like.

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What's the matter with your life
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Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #109 posted 08/24/17 9:54am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Thewooh said:

laurarichardson said:

If you are speaking of Jill you might take into considration that her relationship with the Rev was not that good to begin with. She does not seem to care about the consequences, who said she is taking anything back, and her time is when she decideds it is her time.

Let's encourage free speech and the truth.

Oldfriends doesn't like anyone contradicting the Melvoins & co. wink

This has nothing to do with the Melvoins, you aren't even a real part of the discussion. You are not even reading to comprehend.
Stop flaming it.

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Reply #110 posted 08/24/17 10:05am

jaawwnn

OldFriends4Sale said:

Thewooh said:

laurarichardson said: Oldfriends doesn't like anyone contradicting the Melvoins & co. wink

This has nothing to do with the Melvoins, you aren't even a real part of the discussion. You are not even reading to comprehend.
Stop flaming it.

Don't waste your time. Thewooh is a troll, 100% of their posts are anti Melvoin baits.

Reply #111 posted 08/24/17 10:12am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

jaawwnn said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

This has nothing to do with the Melvoins, you aren't even a real part of the discussion. You are not even reading to comprehend.
Stop flaming it.

Don't waste your time. Thewooh is a troll, 100% of their posts are anti Melvoin baits.

I see...

I'm like a Jedi Knight trying to reason before they whip out the lightsaber lol

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

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What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #112 posted 08/24/17 10:47am

Thewooh

jaawwnn said:

 



OldFriends4Sale said:


 



Thewooh said:


laurarichardson said: Oldfriends doesn't like anyone contradicting the Melvoins & co. wink

 


 


This has nothing to do with the Melvoins, you aren't even a real part of the discussion. You are not even reading to comprehend.
Stop flaming it.



Don't waste your time. Thewooh is a troll, 100% of their posts are anti Melvoin baits.



More like 50% biggrin
Reply #113 posted 08/24/17 11:46am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

If you are speaking of Jill you might take into considration that her relationship with the Rev was not that good to begin with. She does not seem to care about the consequences, who said she is taking anything back, and her time is when she decideds it is her time.

Let's encourage free speech and the truth.

No that was just addressing Free Speech, which a lot of people don't seem to understand
I cannot see how she had a problem with the revolution prior to Sept 2016. There didn't seem to be a problem 2012 @ First Avenue or before, why would there be.
Lisa & Wendy as of March 2016 seemed to support her posting a counter to a post about Jill

.

But yes people do 'regret' what they say. I hope people do or that makes us sociopaths.
Poeple say things/post things on social media or in the public all the time they regret and wish they could take back. Same with intimate relationships.
Do you think Jill wishes she could have taken back when she posted on her FB in agreement with Sinead OConner, refering to Prince as being like 'Chris Brown'?

.

Again and again, I encourage her communicating her desires. But a better avenue than a bunch of self serving fans who seem to only care about either the 'entertainment' aspect of it, or because the live vicariously through her to target the people/person/group they don't like.

You keep bringing up the past 2012 has gone. We are discussing now. People do not going requesting that someone not be in their presence if they are getting along.

Do you see anywhere that Jill has said she regrets anything that she has said? Not regreating something especially if it is true does not make a person a sociopath.

I actually think she does not regret saying it especially if they did get into some sort of altercation or disagreement. It is the truth what is the point of her taking it back. I read to mean that people were making exsuses for Chris and she felt that people made excuses for Prince which the did and still do. Even Prince said he wanted to mentor Chris Brown because he made mistakes when he was young and that people can change. So maybe what Jill said was true and he knew it was true dude was no saint when he was a young man.

Althought Sinead is a nutball. I cannot speak for anyone else but I do not find anything entertaining about any of this and no one is living vicariously throught anyone. You always flip the stituation on to the fans having a problem when the Melvoins or the Revolution come into play.

Susannah is selling some old legwarmers Prince gave her it is sad and pathetic that she cannot move on.

Reply #114 posted 08/24/17 11:47am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

Thewooh said:

laurarichardson said: Oldfriends doesn't like anyone contradicting the Melvoins & co. wink

This has nothing to do with the Melvoins, you aren't even a real part of the discussion. You are not even reading to comprehend.
Stop flaming it.

What is this topic called " Jill Jones FB post" She is discussing one of the Melvoins.

Reply #115 posted 08/24/17 5:52pm

purplefam99

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



purplefam99 said:


OldFriends4Sale said:

 


 


Because the ban had nothing to do with them.


Apollonia Brenda especially were at all the Revolution shows in Sept 2016 on stage. Well Brenda missed the first night. Apollonia was a guest @ Bobby Z's my purple heart show in 2014


These people were banned for something Apollonia did in the museum allegedly against rules.


 


 



Ahhh yes, thx. I was thinking of the Rev's request for space, but yes your correct the initial ban was for another reason. Although it is still un fair to ban JJ if she wasn't there when the initial incident went down and if the Rev said Anything that made the ban from PP stick, that is also not ok. My feeling.

 


 


It is possible the estate/PP heard of a lot of the gripes JJ put out on social media, and I think she did have a verbal altercation with PP people.  And wasn't Kirk at this event?  Didn't JJ go off go after Kirk, calling him a liar? I don't know why people are putting the issue on the Revolution, when the Kirk angle could be IT


 


 



Could be it was the JJ and Kirk angle, he was there.
Reply #116 posted 08/24/17 6:06pm

Strawberrylova123

laurarichardson said:

 



OldFriends4Sale said:


 



laurarichardson said:


 


If you are speaking of Jill you might take into considration that her relationship with the Rev was not that good to begin with. She does not seem to care about the consequences, who said she is taking anything back, and her time is when she decideds it is her time. 


 


Let's encourage free speech and the truth. 



 


 


No that was just addressing Free Speech, which a lot of people don't seem to understand
I cannot see how she had a problem with the revolution prior to Sept 2016.  There didn't seem to be a problem 2012 @ First Avenue or before, why would there be.
Lisa & Wendy as of March 2016 seemed to support her posting a counter to a post about Jill


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But yes people do 'regret' what they say. I hope people do or that makes us sociopaths.
Poeple say things/post things on social media or in the public all the time they regret and wish they could take back. Same with intimate relationships.
Do you think Jill wishes she could have taken back when she posted on her FB in agreement with Sinead OConner, refering to Prince as being like 'Chris Brown'?


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Again and again, I encourage her communicating her desires.  But a better avenue than a bunch of self serving fans who seem to only care about either the 'entertainment' aspect of it, or because the live vicariously through her to target the people/person/group they don't like. 



You keep bringing up the past 2012 has gone. We are discussing now. People do not going requesting that someone not be in their presence if they are getting along. 


 


Do you see anywhere that Jill has said she  regrets anything that she has said?  Not regreating something especially if it is true does not make a person a sociopath. 


I actually think she does not regret saying it especially if they did get into some sort of altercation or disagreement. It is the truth what is the point of her taking it back. I read to mean that people were  making exsuses for Chris and she felt that people made excuses for Prince which the did and still do.  Even Prince said he wanted to mentor  Chris Brown because he made mistakes when he was young and that people can change. So maybe what Jill said was true and he knew it was true dude was no saint when he was a young man. 


 


Althought Sinead is a nutball. I cannot speak for anyone else but I do not find anything entertaining about any of this and no one is living vicariously throught anyone. You always flip the stituation on to the fans having a problem when the Melvoins or the Revolution come into play. 


 


Susannah is selling some old legwarmers Prince gave her it is sad and pathetic that she cannot move on. 


 


 


Yep! If people read that rolling stone mag interview prince said nothing is unforgivable.
Reply #117 posted 08/24/17 6:25pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

This has nothing to do with the Melvoins, you aren't even a real part of the discussion. You are not even reading to comprehend.
Stop flaming it.

What is this topic called " Jill Jones FB post" She is discussing one of the Melvoins.

I was refering to my post

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Reply #118 posted 08/24/17 6:35pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

No that was just addressing Free Speech, which a lot of people don't seem to understand
I cannot see how she had a problem with the revolution prior to Sept 2016. There didn't seem to be a problem 2012 @ First Avenue or before, why would there be.
Lisa & Wendy as of March 2016 seemed to support her posting a counter to a post about Jill

.

But yes people do 'regret' what they say. I hope people do or that makes us sociopaths.
Poeple say things/post things on social media or in the public all the time they regret and wish they could take back. Same with intimate relationships.
Do you think Jill wishes she could have taken back when she posted on her FB in agreement with Sinead OConner, refering to Prince as being like 'Chris Brown'?

.

Again and again, I encourage her communicating her desires. But a better avenue than a bunch of self serving fans who seem to only care about either the 'entertainment' aspect of it, or because the live vicariously through her to target the people/person/group they don't like.

You keep bringing up the past 2012 has gone. We are discussing now. People do not going requesting that someone not be in their presence if they are getting along.

Do you see anywhere that Jill has said she regrets anything that she has said? Not regreating something especially if it is true does not make a person a sociopath.

I actually think she does not regret saying it especially if they did get into some sort of altercation or disagreement. It is the truth what is the point of her taking it back. I read to mean that people were making exsuses for Chris and she felt that people made excuses for Prince which the did and still do. Even Prince said he wanted to mentor Chris Brown because he made mistakes when he was young and that people can change. So maybe what Jill said was true and he knew it was true dude was no saint when he was a young man.

Althought Sinead is a nutball. I cannot speak for anyone else but I do not find anything entertaining about any of this and no one is living vicariously throught anyone. You always flip the stituation on to the fans having a problem when the Melvoins or the Revolution come into play.

Susannah is selling some old legwarmers Prince gave her it is sad and pathetic that she cannot move on.

This is all about the past

YOU said in post #106 go back and read, because U have a hard time following the flow
Laurarichardson said: "If you are speaking of Jill you might take into considration that her relationship with the Rev was not that good to begin with."
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So in replying to that, we have to talk about 'the past' even if it it 2months ago or 2 years ago, to see where this 'not that good to begin with' connects. You have no real proof that that is true.

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No dude, I'm talking about the whole picture. What happened with certain associate women vs Mayte has nothing to do with the Melvoins or the Revolution. Stop distracting.

You know dam well from right after Prince passed there were fan going after various women who spoke up or talked about Prince. This is not about the revolution.They went after and still do: Apollonia Sheile E Wendy Jill Cat Mayte Mani Judith and many many others. Stop acting like you don't know what I'm talking about.

.

Look, I'm not even judging her on what she said, I read it. She compared Prince to Chris Brown as in 'abusive' She deleted it later, because she probably regreted it. Which is my point.

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So is Eric, personal assistants and others.

I thought getting rid of stuff was moving on. Isn't that what people do when someone passes away.
I have neighbor, whose father passed 5yrs ago, he has 1/2 the house still full of things. And his grandmother passed away long before that and the attic and basement is still full of her things.
Or have you not known anyone personal in your life who has died?

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Did he put your million dollar check
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Reply #119 posted 08/24/17 6:37pm

crimesofparis

laurarichardson said:

Susannah is selling some old legwarmers Prince gave her it is sad and pathetic that she cannot move on.

Getting rid of an ex's stuff is like ... the definition of moving on.

.

Yeah, they're ratty old legwarmers, but apparently, they're part of the outfit from his first live shows, if you read the description (and if I recall correctly).

.

If you think about them that way, they're not too dissimilar from selling stage-used gear like Sheila is doing (which is something I don't think either of us expressed a problem with).

Reply #120 posted 08/24/17 7:29pm

purplefam99

I read that Susannah may need money due to her divorce and her ex's
Non payment of spousal support. So may she is hurting for money??
Reply #121 posted 08/24/17 7:31pm

purplefam99

purplefam99 said:

I read that Susannah may need money due to her divorce and her ex's
Non payment of spousal support. So may she is hurting for money??


Here is link
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2803853/Ren-e-Zellweger-caught-middle-bitter-battle-ex-heroin-addict-boyfriend-former-wife-threatens-overshadow-different-happy-fulfilling-life.html
Reply #122 posted 08/24/17 7:51pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

crimesofparis said:

laurarichardson said:

Susannah is selling some old legwarmers Prince gave her it is sad and pathetic that she cannot move on.

Getting rid of an ex's stuff is like ... the definition of moving on.

.

Yeah, they're ratty old legwarmers, but apparently, they're part of the outfit from his first live shows, if you read the description (and if I recall correctly).

.

If you think about them that way, they're not too dissimilar from selling stage-used gear like Sheila is doing (which is something I don't think either of us expressed a problem with).

right,

I remember earlier this year or late last year

I think it was Mary Bardaoux the personal assistant for Prince & his proteges

put up some things like the voodo doll, the Camille album press etc

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Reply #123 posted 08/24/17 7:53pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

My hope is for Jill to get a proper respected voice to future reissues. And definately her 1987 album as a deluxe

The people who just want her tweeting and FB posting, don't look at it from a bigger picture.

Image may contain: one or more people and people sitting

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Reply #124 posted 08/24/17 7:56pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

purplefam99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

It is possible the estate/PP heard of a lot of the gripes JJ put out on social media, and I think she did have a verbal altercation with PP people. And wasn't Kirk at this event? Didn't JJ go off go after Kirk, calling him a liar? I don't know why people are putting the issue on the Revolution, when the Kirk angle could be IT

Could be it was the JJ and Kirk angle, he was there.

I read the post, and it was up somewhere, I cannot find it

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Reply #125 posted 08/25/17 4:44am

laurarichardson

purplefam99 said:

purplefam99 said:
I read that Susannah may need money due to her divorce and her ex's Non payment of spousal support. So may she is hurting for money??
Here is link http://www.dailymail.co.u...-life.html

Why does Susananna not get a job? Many women who are single moms work. You also realize there is a rumor going around that Prince gave her money a few years ago.

Reply #126 posted 08/25/17 4:45am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

crimesofparis said:

Getting rid of an ex's stuff is like ... the definition of moving on.

.

Yeah, they're ratty old legwarmers, but apparently, they're part of the outfit from his first live shows, if you read the description (and if I recall correctly).

.

If you think about them that way, they're not too dissimilar from selling stage-used gear like Sheila is doing (which is something I don't think either of us expressed a problem with).

right,

I remember earlier this year or late last year

I think it was Mary Bardaoux the personal assistant for Prince & his proteges

put up some things like the voodo doll, the Camille album press etc

It was Karen Krattiger who put up the Voodoo doll and the Camille album. Karen actually made the Voodoo doll and apparently made copies of every scrape of paper he ever wrote on and keep his check book. She is a tool.

Reply #127 posted 08/25/17 4:49am

laurarichardson

crimesofparis said:

laurarichardson said:

Susannah is selling some old legwarmers Prince gave her it is sad and pathetic that she cannot move on.

Getting rid of an ex's stuff is like ... the definition of moving on.

.

Yeah, they're ratty old legwarmers, but apparently, they're part of the outfit from his first live shows, if you read the description (and if I recall correctly).

.

If you think about them that way, they're not too dissimilar from selling stage-used gear like Sheila is doing (which is something I don't think either of us expressed a problem with).

Actually the legwarmers were giving to Susanannah to keep warm so it was a personal item he gave to her along with a cross and the proposal notes. This is different then someone selling an old hat they wore on stage. These are nasty legwarmers from over 30 years ago. Why did she not just throw them out? It is gross and disgusting.

As far as Sheile is concerned she sold old gear and stage wear. She claims she has letters and mementoes that she will never sell maybe because she has class and actually works for a living.

Reply #128 posted 08/25/17 5:23am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

crimesofparis said:

Getting rid of an ex's stuff is like ... the definition of moving on.

.

Yeah, they're ratty old legwarmers, but apparently, they're part of the outfit from his first live shows, if you read the description (and if I recall correctly).

.

If you think about them that way, they're not too dissimilar from selling stage-used gear like Sheila is doing (which is something I don't think either of us expressed a problem with).

Actually the legwarmers were giving to Susanannah to keep warm so it was a personal item he gave to her along with a cross and the proposal notes. This is different then someone selling an old hat they wore on stage. These are nasty legwarmers from over 30 years ago. Why did she not just throw them out? It is gross and disgusting.

As far as Sheile is concerned she sold old gear and stage wear. She claims she has letters and mementoes that she will never sell maybe because she has class and actually works for a living.


If she dies tomorrow, someone will get a hold of them, as is the case with a lot of this stuff

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Reply #129 posted 08/25/17 5:33am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

Actually the legwarmers were giving to Susanannah to keep warm so it was a personal item he gave to her along with a cross and the proposal notes. This is different then someone selling an old hat they wore on stage. These are nasty legwarmers from over 30 years ago. Why did she not just throw them out? It is gross and disgusting.

As far as Sheile is concerned she sold old gear and stage wear. She claims she has letters and mementoes that she will never sell maybe because she has class and actually works for a living.


If she dies tomorrow, someone will get a hold of them, as is the case with a lot of this stuff

Hopefully that person will have enough commonsense to throw them out. I doubt she is going to get anyone to pay for them so she had better get a trash bin ready or better yet go get a job.

Reply #130 posted 08/25/17 5:51am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:


If she dies tomorrow, someone will get a hold of them, as is the case with a lot of this stuff

Hopefully that person will have enough commonsense to throw them out. I doubt she is going to get anyone to pay for them so she had better get a trash bin ready or better yet go get a job.

If anyone gets a hold of stuff they will probably not throw them out

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Reply #131 posted 08/25/17 5:53am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

crimesofparis said:

Getting rid of an ex's stuff is like ... the definition of moving on.

.

Yeah, they're ratty old legwarmers, but apparently, they're part of the outfit from his first live shows, if you read the description (and if I recall correctly).

.

If you think about them that way, they're not too dissimilar from selling stage-used gear like Sheila is doing (which is something I don't think either of us expressed a problem with).

Actually the legwarmers were giving to Susanannah to keep warm so it was a personal item he gave to her along with a cross and the proposal notes. This is different then someone selling an old hat they wore on stage. These are nasty legwarmers from over 30 years ago. Why did she not just throw them out? It is gross and disgusting.

As far as Sheile is concerned she sold old gear and stage wear. She claims she has letters and mementoes that she will never sell maybe because she has class and actually works for a living.

Are you serious not understanding that their are women fans who would keep a pair of Prince's jock straps in a plastic bag underneath their pillow while sleeping next to their husbands?

Used underwear is a thing out there is seems

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Reply #132 posted 08/25/17 7:33am

crimesofparis

laurarichardson said:

 



crimesofparis said:


 



laurarichardson said:


 


Susannah is selling some old legwarmers Prince gave her it is sad and pathetic that she cannot move on. 



Getting rid of an ex's stuff is like ... the definition of moving on. 


.


Yeah, they're ratty old legwarmers, but apparently, they're part of the outfit from his first live shows, if you read the description (and if I recall correctly).


.


If you think about them that way, they're not too dissimilar from selling stage-used gear like Sheila is doing (which is something I don't think either of us expressed a problem with). 



Actually the legwarmers were giving to Susanannah to keep warm so it was a personal item he gave to her along with a cross and the proposal notes. This is different then someone selling an old hat they wore on stage. These are nasty legwarmers from over 30 years ago. Why did she not just throw them out? It is gross and disgusting. 


 


As far as Sheile is concerned she sold old gear and stage wear. She claims she has letters and mementoes that she will never sell maybe because she has class and actually works for a living. 


 


 


He wore them on stage at the Capri in 1979: https://www.rrauction.com/preview_itemdetail.cfm?IN=6066

Sheila is selling stage gear. Susannah is selling jewelry worn on stage and weird art she doesn't want anymore. What else should she do with it? Burn it? It's hers. She can do what she wants with it. I wouldn't want to keep it either.
Reply #133 posted 08/25/17 8:33am

laurarichardson

crimesofparis said:

laurarichardson said:

Actually the legwarmers were giving to Susanannah to keep warm so it was a personal item he gave to her along with a cross and the proposal notes. This is different then someone selling an old hat they wore on stage. These are nasty legwarmers from over 30 years ago. Why did she not just throw them out? It is gross and disgusting.

As far as Sheile is concerned she sold old gear and stage wear. She claims she has letters and mementoes that she will never sell maybe because she has class and actually works for a living.

He wore them on stage at the Capri in 1979: https://www.rrauction.com...fm?IN=6066 Sheila is selling stage gear. Susannah is selling jewelry worn on stage and weird art she doesn't want anymore. What else should she do with it? Burn it? It's hers. She can do what she wants with it. I wouldn't want to keep it either.

I never said it was not hers to sell and the truth of the matter is if you do not think it is weird and gross to hold on to some stinking leg warmers for over 30 years than that tells me a lot about you and Shameless Sue. This is not Sue's stage gear this is Prince grimey legwarmers that he had around his thighs. She should have thrown it away and if she thinks she is going to get $7500 for them she is smoking crack. The words "Remarkable" is hysterical to me.

Prince flaunts his fashion at the Capri Theater during an early solo show
Description

Remarkable pair of gray knit leg warmer-style leggings worn by Prince during his first-ever solo shows at the Capri Theater on January 5-6, 1979, each measuring about 30″ long. In very good to fine condition, with a few holes and tears from significant use. From the collection of si...g the 80s. Accompanied by a letter of provenance from Susannah Melvoin.

Prince gave these leggings to Melvoin to keep warm during filming of Purple Rain in the winter of 1984. The period Prince wore these legwarmers is consequential to the legacy he would begin to create in the world of music and fashion. During these early solo shows at Minneapolis’ Capri Theater, Prince, then only 20 years of age and a relative newcomer to the Warner Bros. roster, used these stage performances to further develop his singular fashion style and stage persona. Given their timeframe and stage-worn status, these leggings epitomize the blossoming sense of fashion and creativity Prince would soon be forever remembered.

A photo of Prince wearing these leggings was taken by Greg Helgeson, and may be seen in an excellent article about t...ter shows.

Reply #134 posted 08/25/17 9:06am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator


So you are saying Prince gave Susannah some 'stinking (gross) leg warmers'?

If he gave them to her in 1983/84 do you think they were gross and stinking?

And from that time on wouldn't they be hers?

laurarichardson said:

crimesofparis said:

laurarichardson said: He wore them on stage at the Capri in 1979: https://www.rrauction.com...fm?IN=6066 Sheila is selling stage gear. Susannah is selling jewelry worn on stage and weird art she doesn't want anymore. What else should she do with it? Burn it? It's hers. She can do what she wants with it. I wouldn't want to keep it either.

I never said it was not hers to sell and the truth of the matter is if you do not think it is weird and gross to hold on to some stinking leg warmers for over 30 years than that tells me a lot about you and Shameless Sue. This is not Sue's stage gear this is Prince grimey legwarmers that he had around his thighs. She should have thrown it away and if she thinks she is going to get $7500 for them she is smoking crack. The words "Remarkable" is hysterical to me.

Prince flaunts his fashion at the Capri Theater during an early solo show Description

Remarkable pair of gray knit leg warmer-style leggings worn by Prince during his first-ever solo shows at the Capri Theater on January 5-6, 1979, each measuring about 30″ long. In very good to fine condition, with a few holes and tears from significant use. From the collection of si...g the 80s. Accompanied by a letter of provenance from Susannah Melvoin.

Prince gave these leggings to Melvoin to keep warm during filming of Purple Rain in the winter of 1984. The period Prince wore these legwarmers is consequential to the legacy he would begin to create in the world of music and fashion. During these early solo shows at Minneapolis’ Capri Theater, Prince, then only 20 years of age and a relative newcomer to the Warner Bros. roster, used these stage performances to further develop his singular fashion style and stage persona. Given their timeframe and stage-worn status, these leggings epitomize the blossoming sense of fashion and creativity Prince would soon be forever remembered.

A photo of Prince wearing these leggings was taken by Greg Helgeson, and may be seen in an excellent article about t...ter shows.

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Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
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Reply #135 posted 08/25/17 9:07am

nelcp777

The heart shape mirror bracelet is cool.

Reply #136 posted 08/25/17 9:36am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:


So you are saying Prince gave Susannah some 'stinking (gross) leg warmers'?

If he gave them to her in 1983/84 do you think they were gross and stinking?

And from that time on wouldn't they be hers?

laurarichardson said:

I never said it was not hers to sell and the truth of the matter is if you do not think it is weird and gross to hold on to some stinking leg warmers for over 30 years than that tells me a lot about you and Shameless Sue. This is not Sue's stage gear this is Prince grimey legwarmers that he had around his thighs. She should have thrown it away and if she thinks she is going to get $7500 for them she is smoking crack. The words "Remarkable" is hysterical to me.

Prince flaunts his fashion at the Capri Theater during an early solo show Description

Remarkable pair of gray knit leg warmer-style leggings worn by Prince during his first-ever solo shows at the Capri Theater on January 5-6, 1979, each measuring about 30″ long. In very good to fine condition, with a few holes and tears from significant use. From the collection of si...g the 80s. Accompanied by a letter of provenance from Susannah Melvoin.

Prince gave these leggings to Melvoin to keep warm during filming of Purple Rain in the winter of 1984. The period Prince wore these legwarmers is consequential to the legacy he would begin to create in the world of music and fashion. During these early solo shows at Minneapolis’ Capri Theater, Prince, then only 20 years of age and a relative newcomer to the Warner Bros. roster, used these stage performances to further develop his singular fashion style and stage persona. Given their timeframe and stage-worn status, these leggings epitomize the blossoming sense of fashion and creativity Prince would soon be forever remembered.

A photo of Prince wearing these leggings was taken by Greg Helgeson, and may be seen in an excellent article about t...ter shows.

I never said they were not hers to sell. I would think after 30 years or so these things would not be in good shape and old clothes do smell. You do not dry clean leg warmers. It is gross and weird but if you want to pay $7500 go ahead and knock yourself out and keep ignoring the obvious.

Reply #137 posted 08/25/17 12:30pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:


So you are saying Prince gave Susannah some 'stinking (gross) leg warmers'?

If he gave them to her in 1983/84 do you think they were gross and stinking?

And from that time on wouldn't they be hers?

I never said they were not hers to sell. I would think after 30 years or so these things would not be in good shape and old clothes do smell. You do not dry clean leg warmers. It is gross and weird but if you want to pay $7500 go ahead and knock yourself out and keep ignoring the obvious.

yeah I'll say it again. So you think Prince gave her stinking gross leg warmers. comment not question

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Reply #138 posted 08/25/17 12:48pm

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

I never said they were not hers to sell. I would think after 30 years or so these things would not be in good shape and old clothes do smell. You do not dry clean leg warmers. It is gross and weird but if you want to pay $7500 go ahead and knock yourself out and keep ignoring the obvious.

yeah I'll say it again. So you think Prince gave her stinking gross leg warmers. comment not question

Yes, I do and I think they still stink and her gross after 30 years. Let me make myself plain who the hell keeps something like that. Trust me this crap is being discussed on other forums she looks like a nut ball.

It is know different then when he use to throw that belly chain out into the crowd at concerts who wants something that near his nutsack. I bet she has the Dirty Mind draws as well who wants somthing like that clean or dirty.

[Edited 8/25/17 12:50pm]

Reply #139 posted 08/25/17 4:45pm

Superfan1984

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

yeah I'll say it again. So you think Prince gave her stinking gross leg warmers. comment not question

Yes, I do and I think they still stink and her gross after 30 years. Let me make myself plain who the hell keeps something like that. Trust me this crap is being discussed on other forums she looks like a nut ball.

It is know different then when he use to throw that belly chain out into the crowd at concerts who wants something that near his nutsack. I bet she has the Dirty Mind draws as well who wants somthing like that clean or dirty.

[Edited 8/25/17 12:50pm]

Are you serious? Me!

Reply #140 posted 08/25/17 5:46pm

rdhull

Superfan1984 said:

laurarichardson said:

Yes, I do and I think they still stink and her gross after 30 years. Let me make myself plain who the hell keeps something like that. Trust me this crap is being discussed on other forums she looks like a nut ball.

It is know different then when he use to throw that belly chain out into the crowd at concerts who wants something that near his nutsack. I bet she has the Dirty Mind draws as well who wants somthing like that clean or dirty.

[Edited 8/25/17 12:50pm]

Are you serious? Me!

falloff

c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
Reply #141 posted 08/25/17 5:52pm

purplefam99

laurarichardson said:

 



purplefam99 said:


purplefam99 said:
I read that Susannah may need money due to her divorce and her ex's Non payment of spousal support. So may she is hurting for money??

Here is link http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2803853/Ren-e-Zellweger-caught-middle-bitter-battle-ex-heroin-addict-boyfriend-former-wife-threatens-overshadow-different-happy-fulfilling-life.html

Why does Susananna not get a job? Many women who are single moms work. You also realize there is a rumor going around that Prince gave her money a few years ago. 




She should get a job. That was nice of P if that is true.
Reply #142 posted 08/25/17 5:56pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Superfan1984 said:

laurarichardson said:

Yes, I do and I think they still stink and her gross after 30 years. Let me make myself plain who the hell keeps something like that. Trust me this crap is being discussed on other forums she looks like a nut ball.

It is know different then when he use to throw that belly chain out into the crowd at concerts who wants something that near his nutsack. I bet she has the Dirty Mind draws as well who wants somthing like that clean or dirty.

[Edited 8/25/17 12:50pm]

Are you serious? Me!

lol

I tried to tell him

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What's the matter with your life
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Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
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Reply #143 posted 08/25/17 5:57pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

yeah I'll say it again. So you think Prince gave her stinking gross leg warmers. comment not question

Yes, I do and I think they still stink and her gross after 30 years. Let me make myself plain who the hell keeps something like that. Trust me this crap is being discussed on other forums she looks like a nut ball.

It is know different then when he use to throw that belly chain out into the crowd at concerts who wants something that near his nutsack. I bet she has the Dirty Mind draws as well who wants somthing like that clean or dirty.

[Edited 8/25/17 12:50pm]

chile you have a lot to learn about life

I'm going to check the box for you

[x] Vanilla

[ ] kink

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Reply #144 posted 08/25/17 5:59pm

purplefam99

crimesofparis said:

laurarichardson said:

 



crimesofparis said:


 



laurarichardson said:


 


Susannah is selling some old legwarmers Prince gave her it is sad and pathetic that she cannot move on. 



Getting rid of an ex's stuff is like ... the definition of moving on. 


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Yeah, they're ratty old legwarmers, but apparently, they're part of the outfit from his first live shows, if you read the description (and if I recall correctly).


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If you think about them that way, they're not too dissimilar from selling stage-used gear like Sheila is doing (which is something I don't think either of us expressed a problem with). 



Actually the legwarmers were giving to Susanannah to keep warm so it was a personal item he gave to her along with a cross and the proposal notes. This is different then someone selling an old hat they wore on stage. These are nasty legwarmers from over 30 years ago. Why did she not just throw them out? It is gross and disgusting. 


 


As far as Sheile is concerned she sold old gear and stage wear. She claims she has letters and mementoes that she will never sell maybe because she has class and actually works for a living. 


 


 


He wore them on stage at the Capri in 1979: https://www.rrauction.com/preview_itemdetail.cfm?IN=6066

Sheila is selling stage gear. Susannah is selling jewelry worn on stage and weird art she doesn't want anymore. What else should she do with it? Burn it? It's hers. She can do what she wants with it. I wouldn't want to keep it either.



But she kept it all this time. Seems like you would want it now more than ever. Or was she just waiting till he died?? I don't get that.
Reply #145 posted 08/25/17 6:09pm

purplefam99

laurarichardson said:

 



OldFriends4Sale said:


 



laurarichardson said:


 


I never said they were not hers to sell. I would think after 30 years or so these things would not be in good shape and old clothes do smell. You do not dry clean leg warmers. It is gross and weird but if you want to pay $7500 go ahead and knock yourself out and keep ignoring the obvious. 


 


 



 


yeah I'll say it again.  So you think Prince gave her stinking gross leg warmers. comment not question



Yes, I do and I think they still stink and her gross after 30 years. Let me make myself plain who the hell keeps something like that. Trust me this crap is being discussed on other forums she looks like a nut ball. 


 


It is know different then when he use to throw that belly chain out into the crowd at concerts who wants something that near his nutsack. I bet she has the Dirty Mind draws as well who wants somthing like that clean or dirty. 

[Edited 8/25/17 12:50pm]



You can wash leg warmers they aren't under garments they are like sweaters for your legs. Dancers keep them for years and prefer them when they start to look old and used. I love leg warmers! They are most def cool. I don't get why she would part with them. She kept them all these years either because she was sentimental or because she wanted to later make a buck. The timing seems like the latter. How could she part with the things if they held sentimental value???
Reply #146 posted 08/25/17 6:15pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

purplefam99 said:

crimesofparis said:
He wore them on stage at the Capri in 1979: https://www.rrauction.com...fm?IN=6066 Sheila is selling stage gear. Susannah is selling jewelry worn on stage and weird art she doesn't want anymore. What else should she do with it? Burn it? It's hers. She can do what she wants with it. I wouldn't want to keep it either.
But she kept it all this time. Seems like you would want it now more than ever. Or was she just waiting till he died?? I don't get that.

the movement of death among people is a strange thing.

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I know a woman who loved her husband, was right by his side in all his ventures.
But when he died, she shut it all down, buried him, got her hair done differently and moved away.

.

A coworker of mine passed away in 2007 -wonderful human -was assisting a friend in Africa in getting a successful modern well, contracted malaria, when he was coming back to the states is when the Louisianna travesty occured. As soon as he was adjusted he volunteered to help out down there without pay from his job. He stopped taking the medicine for a day when he reentered the states and became sick. After he got back a few months later he and some friends went on a hike on a mountain and he had a heart attack and died.

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He had a wife and 2 junior high age daughters, his father was still alive etc

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I remember it was about 2yrs or a little less when a woman called me to say she had a bunch of thing of his she had to drop off. For some reason I thought it was a lady from the company that provides uniforms and such for us. I went out to meet her and it was my coworkers wife, she had a light smile on her face, and passed a box of his things to us. That revolved around his job. His job was a huge part of his life outside of work as well. She was done with a period of mourning.

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Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #147 posted 08/25/17 6:24pm

purplefam99

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



purplefam99 said:


crimesofparis said:
He wore them on stage at the Capri in 1979: https://www.rrauction.com/preview_itemdetail.cfm?IN=6066 Sheila is selling stage gear. Susannah is selling jewelry worn on stage and weird art she doesn't want anymore. What else should she do with it? Burn it? It's hers. She can do what she wants with it. I wouldn't want to keep it either.

But she kept it all this time. Seems like you would want it now more than ever. Or was she just waiting till he died?? I don't get that.

 


 


the movement of death among people is a strange thing.


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I know a woman who loved her husband, was right by his side in all his ventures.
But when he died, she shut it all down, buried him, got her hair done differently and moved away.


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A coworker of mine passed away in 2007 -wonderful human -was assisting a friend in Africa in getting a successful modern well, contracted malaria, when he was coming back to the states is when the Louisianna travesty occured. As soon as he was adjusted he volunteered to help out down there without pay from his job.  He stopped taking the medicine for a day when he reentered the states and became sick.  After he got back a few months later he and some friends went on a hike on a mountain and he had a heart attack and died.


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He had a wife and 2 junior high age daughters, his father was still alive etc


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I remember it was about 2yrs or a little less when a woman called me to say she had a bunch of thing of his she had to drop off. For some reason I thought it was a lady from the company that provides uniforms and such for us.  I went out to meet her and it was my coworkers wife, she had a light smile on her face, and passed a box of his things to us. That revolved around his job. His job was a huge part of his life outside of work as well.  She was done with a period of mourning.


 


 



I am hearing you, the timing doesn't suit my personal internal clock. If Andre or the Time started doing these things wouldn't you think it weird?
Reply #148 posted 08/25/17 6:30pm

Superfan1984

lol

OldFriends4Sale said:

Superfan1984 said:

Are you serious? Me!

lol

I tried to tell him

lol

Reply #149 posted 08/25/17 6:42pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

purplefam99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

the movement of death among people is a strange thing.

.

I know a woman who loved her husband, was right by his side in all his ventures.
But when he died, she shut it all down, buried him, got her hair done differently and moved away.

.

A coworker of mine passed away in 2007 -wonderful human -was assisting a friend in Africa in getting a successful modern well, contracted malaria, when he was coming back to the states is when the Louisianna travesty occured. As soon as he was adjusted he volunteered to help out down there without pay from his job. He stopped taking the medicine for a day when he reentered the states and became sick. After he got back a few months later he and some friends went on a hike on a mountain and he had a heart attack and died.

.

He had a wife and 2 junior high age daughters, his father was still alive etc

.

I remember it was about 2yrs or a little less when a woman called me to say she had a bunch of thing of his she had to drop off. For some reason I thought it was a lady from the company that provides uniforms and such for us. I went out to meet her and it was my coworkers wife, she had a light smile on her face, and passed a box of his things to us. That revolved around his job. His job was a huge part of his life outside of work as well. She was done with a period of mourning.

I am hearing you, the timing doesn't suit my personal internal clock. If Andre or the Time started doing these things wouldn't you think it weird?

cannot judge

Death is weird

it just fucks up everything

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Now I'm still shaken up that Andre said when he left the band he never listened to another Prince album. Not till after Prince died. That is weird.

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But death reminds us we could go at anytime. If messes up our ideas of 'possessions'

My parents gave me 'the talk' about 2 yrs ago. It was extremely weird and uncomfortable. They may live to see 100, but that isn't promised.

I was thinking about all this when Prince personal assistant Karen K started selling off things. last year.

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Whose to say. Eric Leeds has things up there too, Susannah isn't the only one.

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I've seen Prince albums being sold in eclectic music stores. People who obviously owned them and now parting with them. My reaction is 'Oh shhiii...' and then 'man how could they get 'rid' of this?' and then I think again that for some people his death means 'the party is over' I cannot say why they did.

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Another 'weird' occurance since he passed is the tons of images private/professional that have and still are coming out everywhere. Why didn't people release these prior? Did they feel they were too special to share? where they afraid of any Prince kick back?

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Reply #150 posted 08/25/17 7:29pm

crimesofparis

purplefam99 said:

crimesofparis said:
He wore them on stage at the Capri in 1979: https://www.rrauction.com...fm?IN=6066 Sheila is selling stage gear. Susannah is selling jewelry worn on stage and weird art she doesn't want anymore. What else should she do with it? Burn it? It's hers. She can do what she wants with it. I wouldn't want to keep it either.
But she kept it all this time. Seems like you would want it now more than ever. Or was she just waiting till he died?? I don't get that.

Who could say? Maybe she was cleaning out a closet -- to me, looking at how similar a lot of what she's selling is -- that would make sense.

.

I still have random stuff given to me by exes. Some of it's personal and most of it isn't. Why would I get rid of clothing or art or jewelry right away just because it's from an ex?

.

She probably still has things Prince gave her (it's not like anything in that list seemed DEEPLY personal or frankly particularly interesting or notable, just stage jewelry and art, mostly, minus the notebook), but if she can make some money (let's not forget the auction house is going to take a lot of that cash) and bring a buyer the joy of owning something once owned by Prince, why not?

Reply #151 posted 08/25/17 7:53pm

laurarichardson

crimesofparis said:

 



purplefam99 said:


crimesofparis said:
He wore them on stage at the Capri in 1979: https://www.rrauction.com/preview_itemdetail.cfm?IN=6066 Sheila is selling stage gear. Susannah is selling jewelry worn on stage and weird art she doesn't want anymore. What else should she do with it? Burn it? It's hers. She can do what she wants with it. I wouldn't want to keep it either.

But she kept it all this time. Seems like you would want it now more than ever. Or was she just waiting till he died?? I don't get that.

Who could say? Maybe she was cleaning out a closet -- to me, looking at how similar a lot of what she's selling is -- that would make sense.


.


I still have random stuff given to me by exes. Some of it's personal and most of it isn't. Why would I get rid of clothing or art or jewelry right away just because it's from an ex? 


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She probably still has things Prince gave her (it's not like anything in that list seemed DEEPLY personal or frankly particularly interesting or notable, just stage jewelry and art, mostly, minus the notebook), but if she can make some money (let's not forget the auction house is going to take a lot of that cash) and bring a buyer the joy of owning something once owned by Prince, why not?


Those leg warmers have holes in them and I would think his cross and engagement rings would be personal. She needs to stop being delusional and take some of this stuff to Goodwill.
Reply #152 posted 08/25/17 7:57pm

laurarichardson

purplefam99 said:

laurarichardson said:

 



OldFriends4Sale said:


 



laurarichardson said:


 


I never said they were not hers to sell. I would think after 30 years or so these things would not be in good shape and old clothes do smell. You do not dry clean leg warmers. It is gross and weird but if you want to pay $7500 go ahead and knock yourself out and keep ignoring the obvious. 


 


 



 


yeah I'll say it again.  So you think Prince gave her stinking gross leg warmers. comment not question



Yes, I do and I think they still stink and her gross after 30 years. Let me make myself plain who the hell keeps something like that. Trust me this crap is being discussed on other forums she looks like a nut ball. 


 


It is know different then when he use to throw that belly chain out into the crowd at concerts who wants something that near his nutsack. I bet she has the Dirty Mind draws as well who wants somthing like that clean or dirty. 

[Edited 8/25/17 12:50pm]



You can wash leg warmers they aren't under garments they are like sweaters for your legs. Dancers keep them for years and prefer them when they start to look old and used. I love leg warmers! They are most def cool. I don't get why she would part with them. She kept them all these years either because she was sentimental or because she wanted to later make a buck. The timing seems like the latter. How could she part with the things if they held sentimental value???

I am old enough to remember leg warmers from the 80s and I doubt very many people have kept them from the 80s unless they are hoarders. Those things have holes in them.?
Reply #153 posted 08/25/17 8:10pm

crimesofparis

laurarichardson said:

crimesofparis said:

Who could say? Maybe she was cleaning out a closet -- to me, looking at how similar a lot of what she's selling is -- that would make sense.

.

I still have random stuff given to me by exes. Some of it's personal and most of it isn't. Why would I get rid of clothing or art or jewelry right away just because it's from an ex?

.

She probably still has things Prince gave her (it's not like anything in that list seemed DEEPLY personal or frankly particularly interesting or notable, just stage jewelry and art, mostly, minus the notebook), but if she can make some money (let's not forget the auction house is going to take a lot of that cash) and bring a buyer the joy of owning something once owned by Prince, why not?

Those leg warmers have holes in them and I would think his cross and engagement rings would be personal. She needs to stop being delusional and take some of this stuff to Goodwill.

Engagement rings? Did I miss that item or are you thinking of something else? I saw some engagement cards that actually pre-date the engagement. Prince writing is rare, someone's gonna want it, but it's hardly an engagement letter or beautiful correspondence that you might want to read later.

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You said it yourself that you wouldn't want that hip chain.

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The leg warmers are stage-worn by Prince. Holes or not. There's rattier, more questionable shit in the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame.

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Why take it to Goodwill when she can both make some money and bring a Prince fan who buys it some joy? Just because you don't want it doesn't mean no one SHOULD want it.

Reply #154 posted 08/26/17 1:03pm

luvgirl

This is what Jill Jones recently posted. I'd love to see the clothes Vanity had. Does anyone know if any of the clothes Vanity had was ever sold after she passed? If anyone has info about them can you please share the link? Thanks in advance.


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Reply #155 posted 08/26/17 1:46pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

luvgirl said:

This is what Jill Jones recently posted. I'd love to see the clothes Vanity had. Does anyone know if any of the clothes Vanity had was ever sold after she passed? If anyone has info about them can you please share the link? Thanks in advance.


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Interesting

I read something I posted, where it said Denise Matthews got rid of most things that reminded her of her time as Vanity. After her 'Road of Damascus' experience?

I don't know if this means just the music/videos or including clothing etc

“When I came to the Lord Jesus Christ, I threw out about 1,000 tapes of mine—every interview, every tape, every video. Everything,” she said.

https://world.wng.org/2016/02/from_vanity_to_christ_remembering_singer_denise_matthews

“I don’t listen to my old music of Vanity’s,” she told Rolling Stone last year. “I sing to Jesus for Jesus now.”

http://religionnews.com/2016/02/16/nasty-girl-turned-evangelist-denise-matthews-dead-at-57/

“Demons were coming into my bed and sleeping in my bed. Those things will happen if you’re carrying on like I did. I have a strong love for Jesus Christ. He delivered me from anguish, death and sin. I get excited by God. No man shall enter the Kingdom of God unless he is born again. I got rid of all the lingerie and cleaned house,” she explained.

‘Vanity’ means worthlessness, and that’s the last thing I want to be known for. And I’m not worthless anymore. My name is Denise.”

http://www.mustardseedstories.com/demons-wanted-me-the-testimony-of-denise-matthews-formerly-known-as-vanity/

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Reply #156 posted 08/26/17 2:03pm

Superfan1984

OldFriends4Sale said:

luvgirl said:

This is what Jill Jones recently posted. I'd love to see the clothes Vanity had. Does anyone know if any of the clothes Vanity had was ever sold after she passed? If anyone has info about them can you please share the link? Thanks in advance.


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[Edited 8/26/17 13:39pm]

Interesting

I read something I posted, where it said Denise Matthews got rid of most things that reminded her of her time as Vanity. After her 'Road of Damascus' experience?

I don't know if this means just the music/videos or including clothing etc

“When I came to the Lord Jesus Christ, I threw out about 1,000 tapes of mine—every interview, every tape, every video. Everything,” she said.

“I don’t listen to my old music of Vanity’s,” she told Rolling Stone last year. “I sing to Jesus for Jesus now.”

“Demons were coming into my bed and sleeping in my bed. Those things will happen if you’re carrying on like I did. I have a strong love for Jesus Christ. He delivered me from anguish, death and sin. I get excited by God. No man shall enter the Kingdom of God unless he is born again. I got rid of all the lingerie and cleaned house,” she explained.

Toban, could you please explain this more- about teh demons coming into her bed--- I've heard her say this a few times- once she said someone saw her levitating over her bed although she was sleeping and didn't know until someone told her-- she said they got in bed with her at night. Can you please explain more of what happened?

Reply #157 posted 08/26/17 2:45pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

OldFriends4Sale said:

luvgirl said:

This is what Jill Jones recently posted. I'd love to see the clothes Vanity had. Does anyone know if any of the clothes Vanity had was ever sold after she passed? If anyone has info about them can you please share the link? Thanks in advance.


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[Edited 8/26/17 13:39pm]

Interesting

I read something I posted, where it said Denise Matthews got rid of most things that reminded her of her time as Vanity. After her 'Road of Damascus' experience?

I don't know if this means just the music/videos or including clothing etc

“When I came to the Lord Jesus Christ, I threw out about 1,000 tapes of mine—every interview, every tape, every video. Everything,” she said.

https://world.wng.org/2016/02/from_vanity_to_christ_remembering_singer_denise_matthews

“I don’t listen to my old music of Vanity’s,” she told Rolling Stone last year. “I sing to Jesus for Jesus now.”

http://religionnews.com/2016/02/16/nasty-girl-turned-evangelist-denise-matthews-dead-at-57/

“Demons were coming into my bed and sleeping in my bed. Those things will happen if you’re carrying on like I did. I have a strong love for Jesus Christ. He delivered me from anguish, death and sin. I get excited by God. No man shall enter the Kingdom of God unless he is born again. I got rid of all the lingerie and cleaned house,” she explained.

‘Vanity’ means worthlessness, and that’s the last thing I want to be known for. And I’m not worthless anymore. My name is Denise.”

http://www.mustardseedstories.com/demons-wanted-me-the-testimony-of-denise-matthews-formerly-known-as-vanity/

It seems Denise fought hard to rid herself of that persona, and name.

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Reply #158 posted 08/28/17 9:43am

laurarichardson

crimesofparis said:

laurarichardson said:

crimesofparis said: Those leg warmers have holes in them and I would think his cross and engagement rings would be personal. She needs to stop being delusional and take some of this stuff to Goodwill.

Engagement rings? Did I miss that item or are you thinking of something else? I saw some engagement cards that actually pre-date the engagement. Prince writing is rare, someone's gonna want it, but it's hardly an engagement letter or beautiful correspondence that you might want to read later.

.

You said it yourself that you wouldn't want that hip chain.

.

The leg warmers are stage-worn by Prince. Holes or not. There's rattier, more questionable shit in the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame.

.

Why take it to Goodwill when she can both make some money and bring a Prince fan who buys it some joy? Just because you don't want it doesn't mean no one SHOULD want it.

I could be wrong about the rings ( I hope I am ) I know his writing is rare but those notes to her are personal and it is crass to sell them.

My point is " Who keeps this nasty stuff? " next someone will be selling a lock of his hair ( gross and weird) and I have never heard of anyone's leg warmers, underware or waist chains hanging up in the Rock n Roll Hall Of Fame.

I do not think that Susannah is going to get $7,5000 for his used leg warmers and I do not really care if some old stinking leg warmers brings someone joy because I know they need to seek mental health treatment.

Susannannha needs to go get a job and stay away from bum ass men who refuse to take care of their children and think about utlizing the court system to get some child support.

Reply #159 posted 08/28/17 3:49pm

purplefam99

laurarichardson said:

purplefam99 said:



You can wash leg warmers they aren't under garments they are like sweaters for your legs. Dancers keep them for years and prefer them when they start to look old and used. I love leg warmers! They are most def cool. I don't get why she would part with them. She kept them all these years either because she was sentimental or because she wanted to later make a buck. The timing seems like the latter. How could she part with the things if they held sentimental value???

I am old enough to remember leg warmers from the 80s and I doubt very many people have kept them from the 80s unless they are hoarders. Those things have holes in them.?



This why you keep them they become beautiful.

http://www.harveyedwards.com/images/dance/1.jpg
Reply #160 posted 08/28/17 3:52pm

purplefam99

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



luvgirl said:


This is what Jill Jones recently posted. I'd love to see the clothes Vanity had. Does anyone know if any of the clothes Vanity had was ever sold after she passed? If anyone has info about them can you please share the link? Thanks in advance. 




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Interesting


I read something I posted, where it said Denise Matthews got rid of most things that reminded her of her time as Vanity. After her 'Road of Damascus' experience?


 


I don't know if this means just the music/videos or including clothing etc


 


“When I came to the Lord Jesus Christ, I threw out about 1,000 tapes of mine—every interview, every tape, every video. Everything,” she said.


https://world.wng.org/2016/02/from_vanity_to_christ_remembering_singer_denise_matthews


 


“I don’t listen to my old music of Vanity’s,” she told Rolling Stone last year. “I sing to Jesus for Jesus now.”


http://religionnews.com/2016/02/16/nasty-girl-turned-evangelist-denise-matthews-dead-at-57/


 


“Demons were coming into my bed and sleeping in my bed. Those things will happen if you’re carrying on like I did. I have a strong love for Jesus Christ. He delivered me from anguish, death and sin. I get excited by God. No man shall enter the Kingdom of God unless he is born again. I got rid of all the lingerie and cleaned house,” she explained.


 


 


‘Vanity’ means worthlessness, and that’s the last thing I want to be known for. And I’m not worthless anymore. My name is Denise.”


 


http://www.mustardseedstories.com/demons-wanted-me-the-testimony-of-denise-matthews-formerly-known-as-vanity/




I took that to mean her 'Vanity' things not necessarily Prince things.
Reply #161 posted 08/28/17 4:00pm

NotACleverName

Again....another thread that has veered off course into Vanity territory. What is going on? Why has Vanity suddenly become the topic of threads that are not remotely related to her?

EDITED TO ADD: there are currently SIX active threads about Vanity in the AA&P Forum and an additional two have gone off topic....that is EIGHT threads about her. Guess it is clear which Prince protégé/ex can be discussed at length w/o fear of censorship and/or members who create discord in an attempt to quash discussion as it may relate to other associated artists/protégés, etc.
[Edited 8/28/17 16:10pm]
"Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence......." ~ DESIDERATA ~ Max Ehrmann
Reply #162 posted 08/28/17 4:03pm

purplefam99

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



purplefam99 said:


OldFriends4Sale said:

 


 


 


the movement of death among people is a strange thing.


.


I know a woman who loved her husband, was right by his side in all his ventures.
But when he died, she shut it all down, buried him, got her hair done differently and moved away.


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A coworker of mine passed away in 2007 -wonderful human -was assisting a friend in Africa in getting a successful modern well, contracted malaria, when he was coming back to the states is when the Louisianna travesty occured. As soon as he was adjusted he volunteered to help out down there without pay from his job.  He stopped taking the medicine for a day when he reentered the states and became sick.  After he got back a few months later he and some friends went on a hike on a mountain and he had a heart attack and died.


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He had a wife and 2 junior high age daughters, his father was still alive etc


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I remember it was about 2yrs or a little less when a woman called me to say she had a bunch of thing of his she had to drop off. For some reason I thought it was a lady from the company that provides uniforms and such for us.  I went out to meet her and it was my coworkers wife, she had a light smile on her face, and passed a box of his things to us. That revolved around his job. His job was a huge part of his life outside of work as well.  She was done with a period of mourning.


 


 



I am hearing you, the timing doesn't suit my personal internal clock. If Andre or the Time started doing these things wouldn't you think it weird?

 


cannot judge


Death is weird


it just fucks up everything


.


Now I'm still shaken up that Andre said when he left the band he never listened to another Prince album. Not till after Prince died. That is weird.


.


But death reminds us we could go at anytime. If messes up our ideas of 'possessions' 


My parents gave me 'the talk' about 2 yrs ago. It was extremely weird and uncomfortable. They may live to see 100, but that isn't promised.


I was thinking about all this when Prince personal assistant Karen K started selling off things. last year.  


.


Whose to say. Eric Leeds has things up there too, Susannah isn't the only one.


.


I've seen Prince albums being sold in eclectic music stores. People who obviously owned them and now parting with them. My reaction is 'Oh shhiii...' and then 'man how could they get 'rid' of this?' and then I think again that for some people his death means 'the party is over' I cannot say why they did.


 


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Another 'weird' occurance since he passed is the tons of images private/professional that have and still are coming out everywhere.  Why didn't people release these prior? Did they feel they were too special to share? where they afraid of any Prince kick back?


 


 


 



I can agree that I cannot judge them. I am hoping for one pic that shows Prince lost in all "unaware of the camera" happiness. Kinda like the one of Kim berry doing his hair, his face so relaxed. If I have missed this pic please direct me to it.
Reply #163 posted 08/28/17 5:50pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

purplefam99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Interesting

I read something I posted, where it said Denise Matthews got rid of most things that reminded her of her time as Vanity. After her 'Road of Damascus' experience?

I don't know if this means just the music/videos or including clothing etc

“When I came to the Lord Jesus Christ, I threw out about 1,000 tapes of mine—every interview, every tape, every video. Everything,” she said.

https://world.wng.org/2016/02/from_vanity_to_christ_remembering_singer_denise_matthews

“I don’t listen to my old music of Vanity’s,” she told Rolling Stone last year. “I sing to Jesus for Jesus now.”

http://religionnews.com/2016/02/16/nasty-girl-turned-evangelist-denise-matthews-dead-at-57/

“Demons were coming into my bed and sleeping in my bed. Those things will happen if you’re carrying on like I did. I have a strong love for Jesus Christ. He delivered me from anguish, death and sin. I get excited by God. No man shall enter the Kingdom of God unless he is born again. I got rid of all the lingerie and cleaned house,” she explained.

‘Vanity’ means worthlessness, and that’s the last thing I want to be known for. And I’m not worthless anymore. My name is Denise.”

http://www.mustardseedstories.com/demons-wanted-me-the-testimony-of-denise-matthews-formerly-known-as-vanity/

I took that to mean her 'Vanity' things not necessarily Prince things.

I believe it is all tied together though

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #164 posted 08/28/17 6:11pm

purplefam99

NotACleverName said:

Again....another thread that has veered off course into Vanity territory. What is going on? Why has Vanity suddenly become the topic of threads that are not remotely related to her?

EDITED TO ADD: there are currently SIX active threads about Vanity in the AA&P Forum and an additional two have gone off topic....that is EIGHT threads about her. Guess it is clear which Prince protégé/ex can be discussed at length w/o fear of censorship and/or members who create discord in an attempt to quash discussion as it may relate to other associated artists/protégés, etc.
[Edited 8/28/17 16:10pm]



Get us back on track then.
Reply #165 posted 08/28/17 6:49pm

NotACleverName

purplefam99 said:

NotACleverName said:

Again....another thread that has veered off course into Vanity territory. What is going on? Why has Vanity suddenly become the topic of threads that are not remotely related to her?

EDITED TO ADD: there are currently SIX active threads about Vanity in the AA&P Forum and an additional two have gone off topic....that is EIGHT threads about her. Guess it is clear which Prince protégé/ex can be discussed at length w/o fear of censorship and/or members who create discord in an attempt to quash discussion as it may relate to other associated artists/protégés, etc.
[Edited 8/28/17 16:10pm]



Get us back on track then.


Alright....apparently, Jill is angry that her part in the Prince narrative has been deemed irrelevant by some. As someone said previously (maybe OF4S?), she should have hashed this out with Prince. Her continuous angry outbursts on social media are getting tiresome. I can't imagine she will realize any tangible results with her constant ranting. And furthermore, I am weary of her "whitewashing" argument. To me, she appears to be a petulant child throwing tantrums in the hope that someone will finally notice her.
"Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence......." ~ DESIDERATA ~ Max Ehrmann
Reply #166 posted 08/28/17 7:07pm

Tonyfan14

NotACleverName said:

purplefam99 said:
Get us back on track then.
Alright....apparently, Jill is angry that her part in the Prince narrative has been deemed irrelevant by some. As someone said previously (maybe OF4S?), she should have hashed this out with Prince. Her continuous angry outbursts on social media are getting tiresome. I can't imagine she will realize any tangible results with her constant ranting. And furthermore, I am weary of her "whitewashing" argument. To me, she appears to be a petulant child throwing tantrums in the hope that someone will finally notice her.

AMEM also sick of Jill's "whitewashing" racist rants.

Reply #167 posted 08/28/17 7:15pm

purplefam99

Politely I say , that if your not of color your not in the position to tire of a person of color's
"Rant" as you put it. My feeling.
Reply #168 posted 08/28/17 7:34pm

NotACleverName

purplefam99 said:

Politely I say , that if your not of color your not in the position to tire of a person of color's
"Rant" as you put it. My feeling.

Sorry....you don't get to determine what I can tire of. I am entitled to my feelings. After all, I'm not going to deny you your "feeling" a certain kind of way.
"Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence......." ~ DESIDERATA ~ Max Ehrmann
Reply #169 posted 08/28/17 7:48pm

purplefam99

NotACleverName said:

purplefam99 said:

Politely I say , that if your not of color your not in the position to tire of a person of color's
"Rant" as you put it. My feeling.

Sorry....you don't get to determine what I can tire of. I am entitled to my feelings. After all, I'm not going to deny you your "feeling" a certain kind of way.



I didn't direct my post to anyone in particular.
Reply #170 posted 08/28/17 8:10pm

NotACleverName

purplefam99 said:

NotACleverName said:


Sorry....you don't get to determine what I can tire of. I am entitled to my feelings. After all, I'm not going to deny you your "feeling" a certain kind of way.

I didn't direct my post to anyone in particular.

Right. So, I guess I'll simply disregard the fact that you did engage me in conversation (your reply #164) and further, quoted a word, "rant" (just to be clear) I used in my response to your request to "get us back on track then". Because that doesn't remotely look like any kind of forum interaction. *shrugs*....ok. If you say so. 😉
"Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence......." ~ DESIDERATA ~ Max Ehrmann
Reply #171 posted 08/28/17 8:14pm

purplefam99

NotACleverName said:

purplefam99 said:


I didn't direct my post to anyone in particular.

Right. So, I guess I'll simply disregard the fact that you did engage me in conversation (your reply #164) and further, quoted a word, "rant" (just to be clear) I used in my response to your request to "get us back on track then". Because that doesn't remotely look like any kind of forum interaction. *shrugs*....ok. If you say so. 😉



Others used rant. The comment right after. Shrug back.
Reply #172 posted 08/28/17 8:16pm

purplefam99

NotACleverName said:

purplefam99 said:

Politely I say , that if your not of color your not in the position to tire of a person of color's
"Rant" as you put it. My feeling.

Sorry....you don't get to determine what I can tire of. I am entitled to my feelings. After all, I'm not going to deny you your "feeling" a certain kind of way.



Then let's go ahead and let Jill have her feelings too.
Reply #173 posted 08/28/17 8:26pm

purplefam99

NotACleverName said:

Again....another thread that has veered off course into Vanity territory. What is going on? Why has Vanity suddenly become the topic of threads that are not remotely related to her?

EDITED TO ADD: there are currently SIX active threads about Vanity in the AA&P Forum and an additional two have gone off topic....that is EIGHT threads about her. Guess it is clear which Prince protégé/ex can be discussed at length w/o fear of censorship and/or members who create discord in an attempt to quash discussion as it may relate to other associated artists/protégés, etc.
[Edited 8/28/17 16:10pm]



It is here^^^^ where I thought you perhaps had gotten in the weeds, cause you didn't want to talk about Vanity yet were asking questions, then edited it to add
More about Vanity, so it wasn't a request to stop talking about her as it was
More a hand to help you up out of the weeds.
Reply #174 posted 08/28/17 8:40pm

NotACleverName

purplefam99 said:

NotACleverName said:

Again....another thread that has veered off course into Vanity territory. What is going on? Why has Vanity suddenly become the topic of threads that are not remotely related to her?

EDITED TO ADD: there are currently SIX active threads about Vanity in the AA&P Forum and an additional two have gone off topic....that is EIGHT threads about her. Guess it is clear which Prince protégé/ex can be discussed at length w/o fear of censorship and/or members who create discord in an attempt to quash discussion as it may relate to other associated artists/protégés, etc.
[Edited 8/28/17 16:10pm]

It is here^^^^ where I thought you perhaps had gotten in the weeds, cause you didn't want to talk about Vanity yet were asking questions, then edited it to add
More about Vanity, so it wasn't a request to stop talking about her as it was
More a hand to help you up out of the weeds.

Oh....so, you were helping me? Ah ha! Gosh, I didn't even realize that my questioning the off topic direction of the thread was me veering into the weeds. I thought I was helping all the Vanity contributors realize that there was ample opportunity to discuss her in the named topics already available so that they might not continue to blatantly violate the fifth bullet point of the forum rules. Huh....imagine that.
"Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence......." ~ DESIDERATA ~ Max Ehrmann
Reply #175 posted 08/28/17 8:55pm

purplefam99

NotACleverName said:

purplefam99 said:


It is here^^^^ where I thought you perhaps had gotten in the weeds, cause you didn't want to talk about Vanity yet were asking questions, then edited it to add
More about Vanity, so it wasn't a request to stop talking about her as it was
More a hand to help you up out of the weeds.

Oh....so, you were helping me? Ah ha! Gosh, I didn't even realize that my questioning the off topic direction of the thread was me veering into the weeds. I thought I was helping all the Vanity contributors realize that there was ample opportunity to discuss her in the named topics already available so that they might not continue to blatantly violate the fifth bullet point of the forum rules. Huh....imagine that.




Perhaps I'm wrong but you entered the conversation it seems
Just to scold, unless I missed your input to keeping the thread on track
Prior to your post at #161.
Reply #176 posted 08/29/17 1:50am

SoulAlive

NotACleverName said:


Alright....apparently, Jill is angry that her part in the Prince narrative has been deemed irrelevant by some. As someone said previously (maybe OF4S?), she should have hashed this out with Prince. Her continuous angry outbursts on social media are getting tiresome. I can't imagine she will realize any tangible results with her constant ranting. And furthermore, I am weary of her "whitewashing" argument. To me, she appears to be a petulant child throwing tantrums in the hope that someone will finally notice her.

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Reply #177 posted 08/29/17 1:50am

SoulAlive

nuts

Reply #178 posted 08/29/17 5:50am

NotACleverName

purplefam99 said:

NotACleverName said:


Oh....so, you were helping me? Ah ha! Gosh, I didn't even realize that my questioning the off topic direction of the thread was me veering into the weeds. I thought I was helping all the Vanity contributors realize that there was ample opportunity to discuss her in the named topics already available so that they might not continue to blatantly violate the fifth bullet point of the forum rules. Huh....imagine that.

Perhaps I'm wrong but you entered the conversation it seems
Just to scold, unless I missed your input to keeping the thread on track
Prior to your post at #161.

To scold? Well, this tells me all I need to know. Frankly, when you and your stans get to talking and stroking each other about your favorite topic, I don't think anything will keep you on track. So, have at it....next time I'll point it out to the mods. Apparently, that's what they're here for.
"Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence......." ~ DESIDERATA ~ Max Ehrmann
Reply #179 posted 08/29/17 6:16am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

purplefam99 said:

Politely I say , that if your not of color your not in the position to tire of a person of color's "Rant" as you put it. My feeling.

She has a proper gripe about crediting. Even though Prince didn't do so much on the original PR album.

.

But I think the race stuff... a lot of people especially african-American -non hardcore fans don't know that JJ is part Black. Eevn JJ talked about that being an issue during the promotion of her 87 album. I just really don't think race has anything to do with it. There are a lot of serious areas that should be and need to be address as far as race and various ethnicities (including mixed race) not to mention gender etc I just harken back to Janet Hubert's reply to Jada Pinkett-Smith...

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #180 posted 08/29/17 7:26am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

purplefam99 said:

Politely I say , that if your not of color your not in the position to tire of a person of color's "Rant" as you put it. My feeling.

She has a proper gripe about crediting. Even though Prince didn't do so much on the original PR album.

.

But I think the race stuff... a lot of people especially african-American -non hardcore fans don't know that JJ is part Black. Eevn JJ talked about that being an issue during the promotion of her 87 album. I just really don't think race has anything to do with it. There are a lot of serious areas that should be and need to be address as far as race and various ethnicities (including mixed race) not to mention gender etc I just harken back to Janet Hubert's reply to Jada Pinkett-Smith...

Sigh, plenty of people know JJ is half black in the fan community and plenty of people know that the black associates are not reared on this board.

You would think the most successul associates were W+L when actually it was Jam and Lewis.

Reply #181 posted 08/29/17 7:47am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

She has a proper gripe about crediting. Even though Prince didn't do so much on the original PR album.

.

But I think the race stuff... a lot of people especially african-American -non hardcore fans don't know that JJ is part Black. Eevn JJ talked about that being an issue during the promotion of her 87 album. I just really don't think race has anything to do with it. There are a lot of serious areas that should be and need to be address as far as race and various ethnicities (including mixed race) not to mention gender etc I just harken back to Janet Hubert's reply to Jada Pinkett-Smith...

Sigh, plenty of people know JJ is half black in the fan community and plenty of people know that the black associates are not reared on this board.

You would think the most successul associates were W+L when actually it was Jam and Lewis.

as I said, non-hardcore fans

.

I believe it was maybe a year before Prince passed away. I met a few African-American ladies at my cousins funeral, we became FB friends. Come to find out they are Prince fans. Not hardcore, but fans. I posted something about Jill Jones and they had no idea JJ was part Black.

.

JJ talked about it in an interview where she said 'she wasn't going to go out their and shake her ass' and talking to Prince 'don't they know I'm part Black etc ...'

.

I don't know what your last piece about W&L / Jam&Lewis has to do with anything.

* you do know, when you interject stuff like this it is how thread go off topic from JJ to Vanity etc

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #182 posted 08/29/17 8:02am

purplefam99

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



purplefam99 said:


Politely I say , that if your not of color your not in the position to tire of a person of color's "Rant" as you put it. My feeling.

 


 


She has a proper gripe about crediting. Even though Prince didn't do so much on the original PR album.


.


But I think the race stuff... a lot of people especially african-American -non hardcore fans don't know that JJ is part Black. Eevn JJ talked about that being an issue during the promotion of her 87 album. I just really don't think race has anything to do with it.  There are a lot of serious areas that should be and need to be address as far as race and various ethnicities (including mixed race) not to mention gender etc  I just harken back to Janet Hubert's reply to Jada Pinkett-Smith...






OF4S, My feeling is that until someone is who is "not of color" says honestly with all their heart and soul that they would be willing trade places with an African American person, that until then ,they in my opinion, can't legitimately say that they are tired of a rant. I don't think they can comprehend the exhaustion of the African American of trying to help the blind to see.

Yet they march on and create great music inspite of it all. Best.
Reply #183 posted 08/29/17 8:33am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

Sigh, plenty of people know JJ is half black in the fan community and plenty of people know that the black associates are not reared on this board.

You would think the most successul associates were W+L when actually it was Jam and Lewis.

as I said, non-hardcore fans

.

I believe it was maybe a year before Prince passed away. I met a few African-American ladies at my cousins funeral, we became FB friends. Come to find out they are Prince fans. Not hardcore, but fans. I posted something about Jill Jones and they had no idea JJ was part Black.

.

JJ talked about it in an interview where she said 'she wasn't going to go out their and shake her ass' and talking to Prince 'don't they know I'm part Black etc ...'

.

I don't know what your last piece about W&L / Jam&Lewis has to do with anything.

* you do know, when you interject stuff like this it is how thread go off topic from JJ to Vanity etc

Jill has mentioned in many interviews espcially recently that she is half black. Back in the day is not today as you are always bring up something in the past as if the unknowns stay unknown.

Did you not say this "I just really don't think race has anything to do with it. "

My last piece is to highlight with an example of how race has a lot to do with the perception of Jill and other associates being shaded on this board and by the larger fan community. They do not always receive the credit they deserve and this has been going on long after their contributions and talents are known.

Jam and Lewis was used as an example. They get no dap on this board.

Reply #184 posted 08/29/17 9:14am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

as I said, non-hardcore fans

.

I believe it was maybe a year before Prince passed away. I met a few African-American ladies at my cousins funeral, we became FB friends. Come to find out they are Prince fans. Not hardcore, but fans. I posted something about Jill Jones and they had no idea JJ was part Black.

.

JJ talked about it in an interview where she said 'she wasn't going to go out their and shake her ass' and talking to Prince 'don't they know I'm part Black etc ...'

.

I don't know what your last piece about W&L / Jam&Lewis has to do with anything.

* you do know, when you interject stuff like this it is how thread go off topic from JJ to Vanity etc

Jill has mentioned in many interviews espcially recently that she is half black. Back in the day is not today as you are always bring up something in the past as if the unknowns stay unknown.

Did you not say this "I just really don't think race has anything to do with it. "

My last piece is to highlight with an example of how race has a lot to do with the perception of Jill and other associates being shaded on this board and by the larger fan community. They do not always receive the credit they deserve and this has been going on long after their contributions and talents are known.

Jam and Lewis was used as an example. They get no dap on this board.

hard core fans Laurarichardson...

Jam & Lewis have nothing to do with this

And I've done threads on the Time members from 1981-1990 as well as threads that consist of highlighting Jam & Lewis' work with herb alpert janet jackson and have always talked those guys up.

Again it has nothing to do with this.

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #185 posted 08/29/17 9:19am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

purplefam99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

She has a proper gripe about crediting. Even though Prince didn't do so much on the original PR album.

.

But I think the race stuff... a lot of people especially african-American -non hardcore fans don't know that JJ is part Black. Eevn JJ talked about that being an issue during the promotion of her 87 album. I just really don't think race has anything to do with it. There are a lot of serious areas that should be and need to be address as far as race and various ethnicities (including mixed race) not to mention gender etc I just harken back to Janet Hubert's reply to Jada Pinkett-Smith...

OF4S, My feeling is that until someone is who is "not of color" says honestly with all their heart and soul that they would be willing trade places with an African American person, that until then ,they in my opinion, can't legitimately say that they are tired of a rant. I don't think they can comprehend the exhaustion of the African American of trying to help the blind to see. Yet they march on and create great music inspite of it all. Best.

But you don't know who is not of color on this board saying they are tired of the ranting

Janet Hubert is AA too and I think her point was strong.

.

But I think the 'boy of cried wolf' affect happens when the cry is not valid.

.

I'll leave it alone, I've expressed that I feel she has a right to speak up about the issue of her crediting. Just take it to a place where you are getting heard, respected and to people who can actually do something to make a difference.

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Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #186 posted 08/29/17 9:23am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

Jill has mentioned in many interviews espcially recently that she is half black. Back in the day is not today as you are always bring up something in the past as if the unknowns stay unknown.

Did you not say this "I just really don't think race has anything to do with it. "

My last piece is to highlight with an example of how race has a lot to do with the perception of Jill and other associates being shaded on this board and by the larger fan community. They do not always receive the credit they deserve and this has been going on long after their contributions and talents are known.

Jam and Lewis was used as an example. They get no dap on this board.

hard core fans Laurarichardson...

Jam & Lewis have nothing to do with this

And I've done threads on the Time members from 1981-1990 as well as threads that consist of highlighting Jam & Lewis' work with herb alpert janet jackson and have always talked those guys up.

Again it has nothing to do with this.

Then you know hardcore fans who know nothing. I explained my point about Jam & Lewis and you must be the only one doing a topic on them on this board but because they do not get the shine that W&L do and you know that is a core complaint about this board and how credit is not given to the black associates. In

fact it is one of the things that Jill Jones has complained about " The whitewashing of Prince" Are we not discussing Jill and her comments?

I will also bring up what I want to bring up to make a point.

Reply #187 posted 08/29/17 9:29am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

hard core fans Laurarichardson...

Jam & Lewis have nothing to do with this

And I've done threads on the Time members from 1981-1990 as well as threads that consist of highlighting Jam & Lewis' work with herb alpert janet jackson and have always talked those guys up.

Again it has nothing to do with this.

Then you know hardcore fans who know nothing. I explained my point about Jam & Lewis and you must be the only one doing a topic on them on this board but because they do not get the shine that W&L do and you know that is a core complaint about this board and how credit is not given to the black associates. In

fact it is one of the things that Jill Jones has complained about " The whitewashing of Prince" Are we not discussing Jill and her comments?

I will also bring up what I want to bring up to make a point.

I said, hardcore fans may know about JJ but casual fans and others most likely won't

again, had nothing to do with my post.

I know you are in heavy fight mode in that 'aspirn' thread, so you don't have to bring it here

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #188 posted 08/29/17 9:43am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

Then you know hardcore fans who know nothing. I explained my point about Jam & Lewis and you must be the only one doing a topic on them on this board but because they do not get the shine that W&L do and you know that is a core complaint about this board and how credit is not given to the black associates. In

fact it is one of the things that Jill Jones has complained about " The whitewashing of Prince" Are we not discussing Jill and her comments?

I will also bring up what I want to bring up to make a point.

I said, hardcore fans may know about JJ but casual fans and others most likely won't

again, had nothing to do with my post.

I know you are in heavy fight mode in that 'aspirn' thread, so you don't have to bring it here

Not bringing any anger I know a black person when I see one.

Reply #189 posted 08/29/17 10:03am

purplefam99

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



purplefam99 said:


OldFriends4Sale said:

 


 


 


She has a proper gripe about crediting. Even though Prince didn't do so much on the original PR album.


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But I think the race stuff... a lot of people especially african-American -non hardcore fans don't know that JJ is part Black. Eevn JJ talked about that being an issue during the promotion of her 87 album. I just really don't think race has anything to do with it.  There are a lot of serious areas that should be and need to be address as far as race and various ethnicities (including mixed race) not to mention gender etc  I just harken back to Janet Hubert's reply to Jada Pinkett-Smith...



OF4S, My feeling is that until someone is who is "not of color" says honestly with all their heart and soul that they would be willing trade places with an African American person, that until then ,they in my opinion, can't legitimately say that they are tired of a rant. I don't think they can comprehend the exhaustion of the African American of trying to help the blind to see. Yet they march on and create great music inspite of it all. Best.

 


But you don't know who is not of color on this board saying they are tired of the ranting


Janet Hubert is AA too and I think her point was strong.


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But I think the 'boy of cried wolf' affect happens when the cry is not valid.


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I'll leave it alone, I've expressed that I feel she has a right to speak up about the issue of her crediting. Just take it to a place where you are getting heard, respected and to people who can actually do something to make a difference.


 


 




That is absolutely correct and if my statement doesn't apply to someone
Then I would think it would roll off their back.
It was just a statement to the reaction of people saying they were tired
Of her rants on race.
Reply #190 posted 08/29/17 10:45am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I said, hardcore fans may know about JJ but casual fans and others most likely won't

again, had nothing to do with my post.

I know you are in heavy fight mode in that 'aspirn' thread, so you don't have to bring it here

Not bringing any anger I know a black person when I see one.

1 drop Rule...

JJ could pass for European easily

U know her because of how you know her via Uptown

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #191 posted 08/29/17 11:01am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

Not bringing any anger I know a black person when I see one.

1 drop Rule...

JJ could pass for European easily

U know her because of how you know her via Uptown

I know because I have eyes to see with. I bet you thought Prince was a white guy.

Reply #192 posted 08/29/17 11:08am

PennyPurple

laurarichardson said:

Jill has mentioned in many interviews espcially recently that she is half black. Back in the day is not today as you are always bring up something in the past as if the unknowns stay unknown.

Did you not say this "I just really don't think race has anything to do with it. "

My last piece is to highlight with an example of how race has a lot to do with the perception of Jill and other associates being shaded on this board and by the larger fan community. They do not always receive the credit they deserve and this has been going on long after their contributions and talents are known.

Jam and Lewis was used as an example. They get no dap on this board.

Race has nothing to do with the perception of Jill Jones. It's Jill Jones and her attitude that make her an unlike-able subject.

Reply #193 posted 08/29/17 11:33am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

1 drop Rule...

JJ could pass for European easily

U know her because of how you know her via Uptown

I know because I have eyes to see with. I bet you thought Prince was a white guy.

I'm a multiracial guy.
We talk about this kind of stuff all the time.

We laugh at the 'I can see it' comments when the person can 'pass for European or something else'
Prince doesn't look European, so why would I think he is a white guy. but JJ can pass, Sometimes/sometimes she looks mixed.
Her father is Italian, I believe her mother is some degree of mix.

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Again this has nothing to do with the validity of her being credited on certain songs.

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #194 posted 08/29/17 11:47am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

I know because I have eyes to see with. I bet you thought Prince was a white guy.

I'm a multiracial guy.
We talk about this kind of stuff all the time.

We laugh at the 'I can see it' comments when the person can 'pass for European or something else'
Prince doesn't look European, but JJ can pass. Sometimes she looks mixed.
Her father is Italian, I believe her mother is some degree of mix.

.

Again this has nothing to do with the validity of her being credited on certain songs.

Actually it does because she has expressed that their is whitewashing and a move to make Prince out to be "Sammy Lunchmeat" Those are her words.

You can laugh all you want because if you only knew how many black people have passed themselves off as white and fooled so many other people then their own kind.

I know and many other black people. I think you are speaking on something you are really clueless on multi-racial or not and I am going to let it go.

Reply #195 posted 08/29/17 11:51am

laurarichardson

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

Jill has mentioned in many interviews espcially recently that she is half black. Back in the day is not today as you are always bring up something in the past as if the unknowns stay unknown.

Did you not say this "I just really don't think race has anything to do with it. "

My last piece is to highlight with an example of how race has a lot to do with the perception of Jill and other associates being shaded on this board and by the larger fan community. They do not always receive the credit they deserve and this has been going on long after their contributions and talents are known.

Jam and Lewis was used as an example. They get no dap on this board.

Race has nothing to do with the perception of Jill Jones. It's Jill Jones and her attitude that make her an unlike-able subject.

We are discussing things that Jill has said and the only reason people do not like her attitude is because it her saying these things. The truth is she was around we were not to dismiss her as some crazy black women is racist in and of itself.

What makes some of the other women experts with people clinging to their every word and ignoring their money grubbing obnoxious behaivor and Jill's comments such a problem.

Look at the Wonderful Ass mess. She is telling us what she knows because she was there. TOB has told us what he knows about Vanity and Prince and how long they were involved yet none wants to hear it but has all day for some old girlfriend that Prince was with for a half a minute who is selling some old legwarmers.

Reply #196 posted 08/29/17 11:53am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I'm a multiracial guy.
We talk about this kind of stuff all the time.

We laugh at the 'I can see it' comments when the person can 'pass for European or something else'
Prince doesn't look European, but JJ can pass. Sometimes she looks mixed.
Her father is Italian, I believe her mother is some degree of mix.

.

Again this has nothing to do with the validity of her being credited on certain songs.

Actually it does because she has expressed that their is whitewashing and a move to make Prince out to be "Sammy Lunchmeat" Those are her words.

You can laugh all you want because if you only knew how many black people have passed themselves off as white and fooled so many other people then their own kind.

I know and many other black people. I think you are speaking on something you are really clueless on multi-racial or not and I am going to let it go.

You've just proved my point, people can pass. I know this. Studies and documents. People do it intentionally, people do it just because of nature and assumptions.

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Yeah, I've been saturated in my identity and studies since a youngin in the 70s

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In elementary school, I recited Langston Hughes 'Mulatto' poem in front of an audience

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Prince was not good with credits. He admitted it. And I support JJ in the place of crediting, and I hope future releases go more indepth. I love the full background info.
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ie was JJ credited on the Glamorous Life? or was she not on the final cut? That is some Purple Rain money right there.

How about Chocolate (the Time) she is on that too

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Do you think JJ had no pride continuing with Prince as she did?

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

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I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #197 posted 08/29/17 11:55am

PennyPurple

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

Race has nothing to do with the perception of Jill Jones. It's Jill Jones and her attitude that make her an unlike-able subject.

We are discussing things that Jill has said and the only reason people do not like her attitude is because it her saying these things. The truth is she was around we were not to dismiss her as some crazy black women is racist in and of itself.

What makes some of the other women experts with people clinging to their every word and ignoring their money grubbing obnoxious behaivor and Jill's comments such a problem.

Look at the Wonderful Ass mess. She is telling us what she knows because she was there. TOB has told us what he knows about Vanity and Prince and how long they were involved yet none wants to hear it but has all day for some old girlfriend that Prince was with for a half a minute who is selling some old legwarmers.

Jill is a crazy woman, a person doesn't have to have an assigned color to them to be crazy. lol


Jill is a bitter person, who screams when she doesn't get her way. She's nutso.

Reply #198 posted 08/29/17 12:01pm

laurarichardson

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

We are discussing things that Jill has said and the only reason people do not like her attitude is because it her saying these things. The truth is she was around we were not to dismiss her as some crazy black women is racist in and of itself.

What makes some of the other women experts with people clinging to their every word and ignoring their money grubbing obnoxious behaivor and Jill's comments such a problem.

Look at the Wonderful Ass mess. She is telling us what she knows because she was there. TOB has told us what he knows about Vanity and Prince and how long they were involved yet none wants to hear it but has all day for some old girlfriend that Prince was with for a half a minute who is selling some old legwarmers.

Jill is a crazy woman, a person doesn't have to have an assigned color to them to be crazy. lol


Jill is a bitter person, who screams when she doesn't get her way. She's nutso.

If your internet diagnois is correct I wonder how she makes it through life? I wonder how she runs her business? I wonder how she walks and chews gum at the sametime.

She has not done or said anything that would get her put in a rubber room. You are just demonizing someone you do not care for despite that fact they she may just be telling somethings you do not want to hear which could very well be true but I guess lies are better.

[Edited 8/29/17 12:02pm]

Reply #199 posted 08/29/17 12:03pm

PennyPurple

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

Jill is a crazy woman, a person doesn't have to have an assigned color to them to be crazy. lol


Jill is a bitter person, who screams when she doesn't get her way. She's nutso.

If your internet diagnois is correct I wonder how she makes it through life? I wonder how she runs her business? I wonder how she walks and chews gum at the sametime.

She has not done or said anything that would get her put in a rubber room. You are just demonizing someone you do not care for despite that fact they she may just be telling somethings you do not want to hear which could very well be true but I guess lies are better.

[Edited 8/29/17 12:02pm]

She's NUTS. nutty

Reply #200 posted 08/29/17 12:09pm

laurarichardson

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

If your internet diagnois is correct I wonder how she makes it through life? I wonder how she runs her business? I wonder how she walks and chews gum at the sametime.

She has not done or said anything that would get her put in a rubber room. You are just demonizing someone you do not care for despite that fact they she may just be telling somethings you do not want to hear which could very well be true but I guess lies are better.

[Edited 8/29/17 12:02pm]

She's NUTS. nutty

Are you a physcologist or psychiatrist. Is this a new way to diagnosis people via Facebook post?

Reply #201 posted 08/29/17 12:24pm

PennyPurple

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

She's NUTS. nutty

Are you a physcologist or psychiatrist. Is this a new way to diagnosis people via Facebook post?

Are you?

Reply #202 posted 08/29/17 6:29pm

laurarichardson

PennyPurple said:

 



laurarichardson said:


 



PennyPurple said:


 


She's NUTS. nutty



Are you a physcologist or psychiatrist. Is this a new way to diagnosis people via Facebook post? 


 



Are you?


No and I am not the one calling her nuts for telling us what she saw and what she knows.
Reply #203 posted 09/01/17 12:19pm

simm0061

I had no idea she was part black until a few years ago when she posted about it. I certainly couldn't tell by looking at her. I've been a hardcore Prince fan for over 30 years and had no clue.

I think there is truth to her post about race but I have a hard time believing it applies to herself.

Reply #204 posted 09/01/17 1:30pm

SoulAlive

I always knew that Jill is black and Italian (mixed).I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in a few interviews from the 80s.

Reply #205 posted 09/01/17 6:47pm

ThatWhiteDude

Strawberrylova123 said:

Jill Jones wrote on FB in response to this article:

http://www.mostbeautifull...this-lousy

Whoever wrote this article I sincerely want to THANK YOU. I guess I will get called the angry black woman as I seem to be portrayed as for speaking up AND OUT but I never revealed how deeply hurt I was by NOT ONLY THE OMISSION but the SERIOUS micro aggression asserted in these liner notes as my role in all of this. ( in the kitchen???) are you for fucking real? Amazing that the author of this article detected that.

We are living in some very interesting times. And the WHITE WASHING MUST STOP!

I don't have a racist bone in my body and I have always been for diversity. But don't get it twisted. The women of color in this camp are being draggggged. And the black men , emasculated. As if we were some stupid pickaninny bobble heads. And Prince only heard jazz via W & L. Forget that his father was a jazz musician? And FYI if ANYONE ANYONE introduced Prince to new forms and explorations and someone who gave him the " out" and Avenue to extricate himself from musical monotony & creative boredom in music, he found a new inspirational comrade it was Sheila. And after that the many genuinely talented musicians of great artistry and caliber who came along to compliment and bring new added value to his creations. Celebrate all of them.

Read the full commentary here:

https://www.facebook.com/...4968731040

You are so right!

"Like books and BLACK LIVES, Albums still MATTER."


"Extra cheese, extra HAM, extra bullshit" -DiminutiveRocker
Reply #206 posted 09/05/17 4:32am

laurarichardson

Interviews with Jill Jones.

Jill speaking for herself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l76T0ZnDLN8

Published on Aug 20, 2017
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Reply #207 posted 09/05/17 5:35am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

SoulAlive said:

I always knew that Jill is black and Italian (mixed).I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in a few interviews from the 80s.

I don't remember anything about her being part Italian till after the 80s

I learned in the 80s she was 'biracial'-not an 80s term. But a lot of people did not...

again unless you were really into the scene, a lot of people probably wouldn't know much about her outside of being the blonde chick from Purple Rain.

Maybe (as we've talked about this many times before) people would know more about her, if she had a solid 'album era'

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Reply #208 posted 09/05/17 5:38am

jaawwnn

Jill is great in that interview, and in most interviews actually, but hey don't forget she wasn't always so complimentary about Prince, maybe she shouldn't pretend otherwise hmm?

Ultimately it's more likely that she is forgotten not because she's black (sure half of the Prince fans don't even realize this) but because no one knows who she is in the first place. Her album flopped (despite being absolutely fantastic) and if she's remembered at all it's for a small, non-musical part in Purple Rain and for being another in the long list of random hot girls in Prince videos. Yeah, she deserves her credits, obviously, but it's not like the Purple Rain reissue doesn't already have a huge amount of problems with it.

That Beautiful Lies website though, oh man, that is some pathetic stuff. How sad that this is what Prince fandom has become.

[Edited 9/5/17 5:56am]

Reply #209 posted 09/05/17 6:00am

laurarichardson

jaawwnn said:

Jill is great in that interview, and in most interviews actually, but hey don't forget she wasn't always so complimentary about Prince, maybe she shouldn't pretend otherwise hmm?

Ultimately it's more likely that she is forgotten not because she's black (sure half of the Prince fans don't even realize this) but because no one knows who she is in the first place. Her album flopped (despite being absolutely fantastic) and if she's remembered at all it's for a small, non-musical part in Purple Rain and for being another in the long list of random hot girls in Prince videos. Yeah, she deserves her credits, obviously, but it's not like the Purple Rain reissue doesn't already have a long list of problems with it.

That Beautiful Lies website though, oh man, that is some pathetic stuff. How sad that this is what Prince fandom has become.

[Edited 9/5/17 5:39am]

She discussed in one of those inteviews when she became disillousioned with him. So I do not think she forgot her uncomplimnetary comments about him because she explains were it came from.

I do not see any pretending when she discusses his harem and making her some sort of den mother to the other women.

I do not think she expects to be known by the entire world but having a few associates blow off your contriubtions is absurd when they were on the scence. If an engineer that most of the public knows or care nothing about can get some credit Jill can get some as well.

If that engineer can toot their horn Jill can toot hers.

Reply #210 posted 09/05/17 6:13am

jaawwnn

laurarichardson said:

She discussed in one of those inteviews when she became disillousioned with him. So I do not think she forgot her uncomplimnetary comments about him because she explains were it came from.

Yeah, to be fair, that's true. But then again, Wendy says she was angry about how her dreams didn't come true and she's jumped on here (and on that pathetic website) for being so ungrateful. Duh, the point of her story was about how she was angry in the past, you know, just like Jill was. She also says she's embarrassed she was angry about it.

I do not think she expects to be known by the entire world but having a few associates blow off your contriubtions is absurd when they were on the scence. If an engineer that most of the public knows or care nothing about can get some credit Jill can get some as well.

No one has blown off her contribution. People have talked about what they were involved with. Whoever put together the Purple Rain reissue should have consulted Jill Jones about her contributions, no doubt, but the Revolution and "that engineer" did as people wanted them to do, they talked specifically about their own contributions and did not speak on other peoples behalf.

Reply #211 posted 09/05/17 6:29am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

jaawwnn said:

Jill is great in that interview, and in most interviews actually, but hey don't forget she wasn't always so complimentary about Prince, maybe she shouldn't pretend otherwise hmm?

Ultimately it's more likely that she is forgotten not because she's black (sure half of the Prince fans don't even realize this) but because no one knows who she is in the first place. Her album flopped (despite being absolutely fantastic) and if she's remembered at all it's for a small, non-musical part in Purple Rain and for being another in the long list of random hot girls in Prince videos. Yeah, she deserves her credits, obviously, but it's not like the Purple Rain reissue doesn't already have a long list of problems with it.

That Beautiful Lies website though, oh man, that is some pathetic stuff. How sad that this is what Prince fandom has become.

[Edited 9/5/17 5:39am]

She discussed in one of those inteviews when she became disillousioned with him. So I do not think she forgot her uncomplimnetary comments about him because she explains were it came from.

I do not see any pretending when she discusses his harem and making her some sort of den mother to the other women.

I do not think she expects to be known by the entire world but having a few associates blow off your contriubtions is absurd when they were on the scence. If an engineer that most of the public knows or care nothing about can get some credit Jill can get some as well.

If that engineer can toot their horn Jill can toot hers.

So should Sheila E get blasted by Jill for not acknowledging 'anywhere ever' JJ contributions vocally to the Glamorous Life?

Where does the Time ever talk about JJ's vocal contributions. How about Mazarati? etc?

The Revolution members were asked about their memories of recording. It wasn't about giving 'credits'

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Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #212 posted 09/05/17 8:19am

laurarichardson

jaawwnn said:

laurarichardson said:

She discussed in one of those inteviews when she became disillousioned with him. So I do not think she forgot her uncomplimnetary comments about him because she explains were it came from.

Yeah, to be fair, that's true. But then again, Wendy says she was angry about how her dreams didn't come true and she's jumped on here (and on that pathetic website) for being so ungrateful. Duh, the point of her story was about how she was angry in the past, you know, just like Jill was. She also says she's embarrassed she was angry about it.

I do not think she expects to be known by the entire world but having a few associates blow off your contriubtions is absurd when they were on the scence. If an engineer that most of the public knows or care nothing about can get some credit Jill can get some as well.

No one has blown off her contribution. People have talked about what they were involved with. Whoever put together the Purple Rain reissue should have consulted Jill Jones about her contributions, no doubt, but the Revolution and "that engineer" did as people wanted them to do, they talked specifically about their own contributions and did not speak on other peoples behalf.

Not mentioning someone at all is blowing them off or at least that appears to be what Jill thinks. The associates who contributed to the project did not bother to mention her and WB does not care one way or another.

Reply #213 posted 09/05/17 8:22am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

She discussed in one of those inteviews when she became disillousioned with him. So I do not think she forgot her uncomplimnetary comments about him because she explains were it came from.

I do not see any pretending when she discusses his harem and making her some sort of den mother to the other women.

I do not think she expects to be known by the entire world but having a few associates blow off your contriubtions is absurd when they were on the scence. If an engineer that most of the public knows or care nothing about can get some credit Jill can get some as well.

If that engineer can toot their horn Jill can toot hers.

So should Sheila E get blasted by Jill for not acknowledging 'anywhere ever' JJ contributions vocally to the Glamorous Life?

Where does the Time every talk about JJ's vocal contributions. How about Mazarati? etc?

The Revolution members were asked about their memories of recording. It wasn't about giving 'credits'

None of those people were involved with this reissue project and let us hope that for future projects they do mention her. We are discussing the lack of credit given to Jill on the PR project or we not?

Reply #214 posted 09/05/17 8:41am

OldFriends4Sale

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laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

So should Sheila E get blasted by Jill for not acknowledging 'anywhere ever' JJ contributions vocally to the Glamorous Life?

Where does the Time every talk about JJ's vocal contributions. How about Mazarati? etc?

The Revolution members were asked about their memories of recording. It wasn't about giving 'credits'

None of those people were involved with this reissue project and let us hope that for future projects they do mention her. We are discussing the lack of credit given to Jill on the PR project or we not?

I'm talking about the 'blaming' the Revolution members were not asked about credits, they were asked about memories

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Reply #215 posted 09/05/17 9:09am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

None of those people were involved with this reissue project and let us hope that for future projects they do mention her. We are discussing the lack of credit given to Jill on the PR project or we not?

I'm talking about the 'blaming' the Revolution members were not asked about credits, they were asked about memories

How do you know what they were asked? Unless you were privy too whatever conversation when on between W&L and WB you are really reaching.

Even if they were asked about their memories are they suffering from Altimetizers. Lisa is practically making out with Jill in the 1999 video did she forget about her?

Reply #216 posted 09/05/17 9:14am

purplefam99

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I'm talking about the 'blaming' the Revolution members were not asked about credits, they were asked about memories

How do you know what they were asked? Unless you were privy too whatever conversation when on between W&L and WB you are really reaching.

Even if they were asked about their memories are they suffering from Altimetizers. Lisa is practically making out with Jill in the 1999 video did she forget about her?

i have to agree. and what video is it where lisa and jill tie prince up in a bed?? they know she was

there, the right thing to do is clear, even if one doesn't choose it, it is clear and would have taken just

a split sec of their own personal light to acknowledge it.

[Edited 9/5/17 9:14am]

[Edited 9/5/17 9:16am]

Reply #217 posted 09/05/17 9:36am

laurarichardson

purplefam99 said:

laurarichardson said:

How do you know what they were asked? Unless you were privy too whatever conversation when on between W&L and WB you are really reaching.

Even if they were asked about their memories are they suffering from Altimetizers. Lisa is practically making out with Jill in the 1999 video did she forget about her?

i have to agree. and what video is it where lisa and jill tie prince up in a bed?? they know she was

there, the right thing to do is clear, even if one doesn't choose it, it is clear and would have taken just

a split sec of their own personal light to acknowledge it.

[Edited 9/5/17 9:14am]

[Edited 9/5/17 9:16am]

Automatic is the video. They were in extremly close quaters of one another and there is a video if Lisa needs a memory jog. I know we are all getting old but come on with the nonsense.

Reply #218 posted 09/05/17 10:16am

purplefam99

laurarichardson said:

purplefam99 said:

i have to agree. and what video is it where lisa and jill tie prince up in a bed?? they know she was

there, the right thing to do is clear, even if one doesn't choose it, it is clear and would have taken just

a split sec of their own personal light to acknowledge it.

[Edited 9/5/17 9:14am]

[Edited 9/5/17 9:16am]

Automatic is the video. They were in extremly close quaters of one another and there is a video if Lisa needs a memory jog. I know we are all getting old but come on with the nonsense.

yes!!! that is the one. and yes close quarters is an understatement for Lisa and Jill 'come on'.... i agree.

Reply #219 posted 09/05/17 10:20am

OldFriends4Sale

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laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I'm talking about the 'blaming' the Revolution members were not asked about credits, they were asked about memories

How do you know what they were asked? Unless you were privy too whatever conversation when on between W&L and WB you are really reaching.

Even if they were asked about their memories are they suffering from Altimetizers. Lisa is practically making out with Jill in the 1999 video did she forget about her?

Because that is what was asked for for the piece. The stuff we can read in their from each individual is about memories

1999 video is not the Purple Rain deluxe

What in heaven earth or hell does the 1999 era videos have to do with the Purple Rain deluxe?

I mean you just cannot help throwing a discussion off the rail...

Laurarichardson?? what in heaven does the 1999 video have to do with the Purple Rain deluxe?!?

I mean you are really trying to defend some foolishness

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Reply #220 posted 09/05/17 10:21am

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purplefam99 said:

laurarichardson said:

How do you know what they were asked? Unless you were privy too whatever conversation when on between W&L and WB you are really reaching.

Even if they were asked about their memories are they suffering from Altimetizers. Lisa is practically making out with Jill in the 1999 video did she forget about her?

i have to agree. and what video is it where lisa and jill tie prince up in a bed?? they know she was

there, the right thing to do is clear, even if one doesn't choose it, it is clear and would have taken just

a split sec of their own personal light to acknowledge it.

[Edited 9/5/17 9:14am]

[Edited 9/5/17 9:16am]

Agree with what?! are we talking about the Purple Rain deluxe or the 1999 album/videos?

please please please help me to understand that you do know the Automatic video was on the 1982 '1999' double album release not the 1984 Purple Rain soundtrack release

we might have to take that 'purple' out of your id/name lol

and send you to purple school:purple music 101

The Purple Rain deluxe that they were asked about had nothing to do with 1999

I mean Laurarichardson got you off track quick lol

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Reply #221 posted 09/05/17 10:22am

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purplefam99 said:

laurarichardson said:

Automatic is the video. They were in extremly close quaters of one another and there is a video if Lisa needs a memory jog. I know we are all getting old but come on with the nonsense.

yes!!! that is the one. and yes close quarters is an understatement for Lisa and Jill 'come on'.... i agree.

Are you two really getting up on the 1999 era videos?

We are talking about the Purple Rain deluxe release linear notes

this ain't about Vanity and Wonderful Ass, this is about the whole project.

where was Lisa asked about Automatic on the Purple Rain linear notes?

ya'll come on back 2 reason.

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Reply #222 posted 09/05/17 10:57am

jungleluv

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I'm talking about the 'blaming' the Revolution members were not asked about credits, they were asked about memories

How do you know what they were asked? Unless you were privy too whatever conversation when on between W&L and WB you are really reaching.

Even if they were asked about their memories are they suffering from Altimetizers. Lisa is practically making out with Jill in the 1999 video did she forget about her?

Altimetizers??! What the hell? I guess spelling is a weak area for you. LOL lol

Reply #223 posted 09/05/17 11:05am

OldFriends4Sale

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jungleluv said:

laurarichardson said:

How do you know what they were asked? Unless you were privy too whatever conversation when on between W&L and WB you are really reaching.

Even if they were asked about their memories are they suffering from Altimetizers. Lisa is practically making out with Jill in the 1999 video did she forget about her?

Altimetizers??! What the hell? I guess spelling is a weak area for you. LOL lol

LOL

I pasted Altimetizers in a google search and I got

Do you mean: Altimeters

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Reply #224 posted 09/05/17 11:13am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

jungleluv said:

Altimetizers??! What the hell? I guess spelling is a weak area for you. LOL lol

LOL

I pasted Altimetizers in a google search and I got

Do you mean: Altimeters

You know what I mean and this is just a way for you to get out of admitting that you give W&L to much of a pass for their foolishness. Their pants legs much be wet and I hope they have a good dry cleaner.

Reply #225 posted 09/05/17 11:13am

OldFriends4Sale

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laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I'm talking about the 'blaming' the Revolution members were not asked about credits, they were asked about memories

How do you know what they were asked? Unless you were privy too whatever conversation when on between W&L and WB you are really reaching.

Even if they were asked about their memories are they suffering from Altimetizers. Lisa is practically making out with Jill in the 1999 video did she forget about her?

And Laurarichardson?!?

Alzheimers (if that is what you meant) is nothing to joke about.

People suffer from this disease and family friends and caretakers are devistated by Alzheimers affliction.

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Reply #226 posted 09/05/17 11:14am

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laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

LOL

I pasted Altimetizers in a google search and I got

Do you mean: Altimeters

You know what I mean and this is just a way for you to get out of admitting that you give W&L to much of a pass for their foolishness. Their pants legs much be wet and I hope they have a good dry cleaner.

No sweetness, You bringing up some dam 1999 video is a way of you getting off track and hoping someone else falls for your usual shtick

stay focused and stop making light of a disease

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Reply #227 posted 09/05/17 11:15am

laurarichardson

jungleluv said:

laurarichardson said:

How do you know what they were asked? Unless you were privy too whatever conversation when on between W&L and WB you are really reaching.

Even if they were asked about their memories are they suffering from Altimetizers. Lisa is practically making out with Jill in the 1999 video did she forget about her?

Altimetizers??! What the hell? I guess spelling is a weak area for you. LOL lol

No I forgot how to spell it and I should get a pass since Lisa cannot remember who she was practically making out with. I think I am allowed a spelling error. Now get back on topic ladies. I know it is hard too stay on the point.

Reply #228 posted 09/05/17 11:16am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

purplefam99 said:

yes!!! that is the one. and yes close quarters is an understatement for Lisa and Jill 'come on'.... i agree.

Are you two really getting up on the 1999 era videos?

We are talking about the Purple Rain deluxe release linear notes

this ain't about Vanity and Wonderful Ass, this is about the whole project.

where was Lisa asked about Automatic on the Purple Rain linear notes?

ya'll come on back 2 reason.

She cannot remember who Jill was enough to bring her up. So since they are making out in the 1999 video that kind of proves she knew who the hell she was. Damm this had to be explained to you?

Reply #229 posted 09/05/17 11:24am

OldFriends4Sale

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laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Are you two really getting up on the 1999 era videos?

We are talking about the Purple Rain deluxe release linear notes

this ain't about Vanity and Wonderful Ass, this is about the whole project.

where was Lisa asked about Automatic on the Purple Rain linear notes?

ya'll come on back 2 reason.

She cannot remember who Jill was enough to bring her up. So since they are making out in the 1999 video that kind of proves she knew who the hell she was. Damm this had to be explained to you?

Yet Lisa & Wendy prior to Prince's death in 2016 pay compliment to Jill on their FB page

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Stop Laurarichardson, please just stop.
This is looking desperate.

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Reply #230 posted 09/05/17 11:26am

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laurarichardson said:

jungleluv said:

Altimetizers??! What the hell? I guess spelling is a weak area for you. LOL lol

No I forgot how to spell it and I should get a pass since Lisa cannot remember who she was practically making out with. I think I am allowed a spelling error. Now get back on topic ladies. I know it is hard too stay on the point.

Back on TOPIC?!? LOL the Automatic video is back on topic? Seriously?

and please post where Lisa said she forgot who was with her in the 1999 video?

And please tell me where did she practically make out with Jill Jones? Maybe U forgot

Imean this is beyond pathetic!!

Alzheimers is not something to make fun of

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Reply #231 posted 09/05/17 11:38am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

No I forgot how to spell it and I should get a pass since Lisa cannot remember who she was practically making out with. I think I am allowed a spelling error. Now get back on topic ladies. I know it is hard too stay on the point.

Back on TOPIC?!? LOL the Automatic video is back on topic? Seriously?

and please post where Lisa said she forgot who was with her in the 1999 video?

And please tell me where did she practically make out with Jill Jones? Maybe U forgot

Imean this is beyond pathetic!!

Alzheimers is not something to make fun of

A recap

Lisa and Wendy did not give any credit to Jill for her contribution or at least this is how Jill feels.

Lisa was around working with Jill at the time that 1999 and PR was recorded. If she wanted to she could have mentioned her she did not. Her choice.

You are making excuses for her as usual and I am saying unless she is suffering from memory loss she certainly remembers Jill and her contributions.

You need to stop it now because you are embarrassing yourself. No one is making fun of any medical problems or issues. You are just changing the subject and jumping all over the place.

You do not sit up and practically kiss some women and just forget about her unless something is seriously wrong with you or you are playing the dumb blonde role. Is Lisa blonde?

Reply #232 posted 09/05/17 11:52am

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laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Back on TOPIC?!? LOL the Automatic video is back on topic? Seriously?

and please post where Lisa said she forgot who was with her in the 1999 video?

And please tell me where did she practically make out with Jill Jones? Maybe U forgot

Imean this is beyond pathetic!!

Alzheimers is not something to make fun of

A recap

Lisa and Wendy did not give any credit to Jill for her contribution or at least this is how Jill feels.

Lisa was around working with Jill at the time that 1999 and PR was recorded. If she wanted to she could have mentioned her she did not. Her choice.

You are making excuses for her as usual and I am saying unless she is suffering from memory loss she certainly remembers Jill and her contributions.

You need to stop it now because you are embarrassing yourself. No one is making fun of any medical problems or issues. You are just changing the subject and jumping all over the place.

You do not sit up and practically kiss some women and just forget about her unless something is seriously wrong with you or you are playing the dumb blonde role. Is Lisa blonde?

Cut it out Laura. W & L were not responsible for the printed Credits

We have already been through this

Lisa was just talking about her memories(not for crediting) of recording the song

You make fun of people with Alzheimers. You don't make that right.
You bring up Automatic and Lisa & JJ almost making out which did not almost happen nor does it have anything to do with the PR Deluxe

the 'share your memories' section of the pullout was not about giving proper credit.
Obviously JJ was not in the studio with Lisa when she was recording with Prince.

Sheila E probably has no memories of JJ singing on Glamorous Life either for the same reasons.

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Reply #233 posted 09/05/17 11:56am

rdhull

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

How do you know what they were asked? Unless you were privy too whatever conversation when on between W&L and WB you are really reaching.

Even if they were asked about their memories are they suffering from Altimetizers. Lisa is practically making out with Jill in the 1999 video did she forget about her?

And Laurarichardson?!?

Alzheimers (if that is what you meant) is nothing to joke about.

People suffer from this disease and family friends and caretakers are devistated by Alzheimers affliction.

SNIP - OF4S (see your orgnotes)

c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
Reply #234 posted 09/05/17 12:04pm

nelcp777

I believe WB has the obligation to perform due diligence in citing credits. With that, I am sure they did not with the re-release. It seems as WB was non-chalant with the release. Little PR and effort. Just my 2 cents.

I don't have a problem with JJ venting if she was not credited. I imagine she is getting some form of royalties for her work, but could be wrong with that.

JJ has always seemed like she can be a hot-head at times. Again nothing wrong with that. The one thing I like about her is that she always is open and you know where you stand with her. Never met the lady, just my take away from interviews and such.

Reply #235 posted 09/05/17 12:18pm

jaawwnn

Correct me if i'mn wrong but I suppose ultimately this is coming down to the song Wonderful Ass (I still find it funny that we're fighting about such a ridiculously named track) isn't it? Did Jill say she sang on other ones on Purple Rain deluxe?

Lisa has given a few interviews where she said she sang it with Prince about their then girlfriends, Wendy and Susannah. Now, we actually have the earlier version from 1982 or so before Lisa added her vocals so this situation is down to whether or not you think she is purposely and knowingly going out of her way to not give Jill (and Vanity) due credit on the track/inspiration.

Personally i'd say it's much more likely Prince turned up in the studio one day with yet another half-recorded track and asked Lisa to sing it with him and she had (and still has) no idea that the recording had been knocking around for a few years at that point. It's not like she worked on the track earlier, i'd say if she had been around when he worked on it before she'd have sang on it along with Jill back then. When it came to doing the Purple Rain reissue, considering all the other problems with it it's not surprising that no one at WB asked Jill or knew the history of the song. It's a failing on their part, sure, but it's not the only one; if they had put in the effort we might have gotten an official release of Wednesday as well. Lisa didn't bring it up because she had no idea either (and also, there's no Q&A on the bonus tracks in the reissue) and Susan Rogers wasn't around when it was originally recorded so why should she know who was or wasn't on another random recording Prince turned with in the studio some day? shrug

I'm not going to try and convince the people who just straight up believe that W&L are, well, evil racists going out of their way to whitewash the Prince story. I can agree to disagree on that one.

[Edited 9/5/17 12:39pm]

Reply #236 posted 09/05/17 12:38pm

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jaawwnn said:

Correct me if i'mn wrong but I suppose ultimately this is coming down to the song Wonderful Ass (I still find it funny that we're fighting about such a ridiculously named track) isn't it? Did Jill say she sang on other ones on Purple Rain deluxe?

Lisa has given a few interviews where she said she sang it with Prince about their then girlfriends, Wendy and Susannah. Now, we actually have the earlier version from 1982 or so before Lisa added her vocals so this situation is down to whether or not you think she is purposely and knowingly going out of her way to not give Jill (and Vanity) due credit on the track/inspiration.

Personally i'd say it's much more likely Prince turned up in the studio one day with yet another half-recorded track and asked Lisa to sing it with him and she had (and still has) no idea that the recording had been knocking around for a few years at that point. It's not like she worked on the track earlier, i'd say if she had been around when he worked on it before she'd have sang on it along with Jill back then. When it came to doing the Purple Rain reissue, considering all the other problems with it it's not surprising that no one at WB asked Jill or knew the history of the song. It's a failing on their part, sure, but it's not the only one; if they had put in the effort we might have gotten an official release of Wednesday as well. Lisa didn't bring it up because she had no idea either (and also, there's no Q&A on the bonus tracks in the reissue) and Susan Rogers wasn't around when it was originally recorded so why should she know who was or wasn't on another random recording Prince turned with in the studio some day? shrug

I'm not going to try and convince the people who just straight up believe that W&L are, well, evil racists going out of their way to whitewash the Prince story. I can agree to disagree on that one.

[Edited 9/5/17 12:27pm]

After Laurarichardson threw in 1999 and Automatic with JJ & Lisa 1/2 making out, I don't know what's up here lol

And the Vanity love affair connect just must be kept in the other thread. lol

.

They keep insinuating that Lisa 'memories' are 'credits' and she is not doing the credits. She along with the rest are talking about / reminiscing about the various songs. That's it.

.

Sheila E has never ever talked about Jill Jones singing background on the Glamorous Life, yet JJ mentioned in an interview lamenting the lack of success for her album, that 'she did not know the child was going in and singing the songs' after JJ left from doing her part. It is a strong possibility the Sheila E did not know. Same with Apollonia. She admitted she knew nothing of Lisa or JJ singing on Take Me With U

.

Apollonia never 'credited' JJ while reminiscing about doing Take Me With U. Because she didn't know.

.

This all still goes back to Prince 90%

WB 10% for the rush job to get this out in 2017

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Reply #237 posted 09/05/17 12:40pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

After Laurarichardson threw in 1999 and Automatic with JJ & Lisa 1/2 making out, I don't know what's up here lol

.

They keep insinuating that Lisa 'memories' are 'credits' and she is not doing the credits. She along with the rest are talking about / reminiscing about the various songs. That's it.

.

Sheila E has never ever talked about Jill Jones singing background on the Glamorous Life, yet JJ mentioned in an interview lamenting the lack of success for her album, that 'she did not know the child was going in and singing the songs' after JJ left from doing her part. It is a strong possibility the Sheila E did not know. Same with Apollonia. She admitted she knew nothing of Lisa or JJ singing on Take Me With U

.

Apollonia never 'credited' JJ while reminiscing about doing Take Me With U. Because she didn't know.

.

This all still goes back to Prince 90%

WB 10% for the rush job to get this out in 2017

You'll notice Lisa has no problem mentioning Jill singing backing vocals when talking about Baby I'm a Star even though Jill is not credited officially on that one either. Well also because she says it's "all prince" I guess lol

[Edited 9/5/17 12:42pm]

Reply #238 posted 09/05/17 12:42pm

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jaawwnn said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

After Laurarichardson threw in 1999 and Automatic with JJ & Lisa 1/2 making out, I don't know what's up here lol

.

They keep insinuating that Lisa 'memories' are 'credits' and she is not doing the credits. She along with the rest are talking about / reminiscing about the various songs. That's it.

.

Sheila E has never ever talked about Jill Jones singing background on the Glamorous Life, yet JJ mentioned in an interview lamenting the lack of success for her album, that 'she did not know the child was going in and singing the songs' after JJ left from doing her part. It is a strong possibility the Sheila E did not know. Same with Apollonia. She admitted she knew nothing of Lisa or JJ singing on Take Me With U

.

Apollonia never 'credited' JJ while reminiscing about doing Take Me With U. Because she didn't know.

.

This all still goes back to Prince 90%

WB 10% for the rush job to get this out in 2017

You'll notice Lisa has no problem mentioning Jill singing backing vocals when talking about Baby I'm a Star even though Jill is not credited officially on that one either.

right, and Lisa also talked about JJ singing on Take Me With U as well

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Reply #239 posted 09/05/17 1:06pm

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jaawwnn said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

After Laurarichardson threw in 1999 and Automatic with JJ & Lisa 1/2 making out, I don't know what's up here lol

.

They keep insinuating that Lisa 'memories' are 'credits' and she is not doing the credits. She along with the rest are talking about / reminiscing about the various songs. That's it.

.

Sheila E has never ever talked about Jill Jones singing background on the Glamorous Life, yet JJ mentioned in an interview lamenting the lack of success for her album, that 'she did not know the child was going in and singing the songs' after JJ left from doing her part. It is a strong possibility the Sheila E did not know. Same with Apollonia. She admitted she knew nothing of Lisa or JJ singing on Take Me With U

.

Apollonia never 'credited' JJ while reminiscing about doing Take Me With U. Because she didn't know.

.

This all still goes back to Prince 90%

WB 10% for the rush job to get this out in 2017

You'll notice Lisa has no problem mentioning Jill singing backing vocals when talking about Baby I'm a Star even though Jill is not credited officially on that one either. Well also because she says it's "all prince" I guess lol

[Edited 9/5/17 12:42pm]

Ive always thought it was Wendy doing the backwards masking on that one but now thinking about it, the 'tone' seems like Jills.

c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
Reply #240 posted 09/05/17 6:10pm

purplefam99

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



purplefam99 said:


 



laurarichardson said:


 


How do you know what they were asked? Unless you were privy too  whatever conversation when on between W&L and WB you are really reaching.  


 


Even if they were asked about their  memories are they suffering from Altimetizers. Lisa is practically making out with  Jill in the 1999 video did she forget about her? 


 


 



i have to agree.  and what video is it where lisa and jill tie prince up in a bed??  they know she was


there, the right thing to do is clear, even if one doesn't choose it, it is clear and would have taken just


a split sec of their own personal light to acknowledge it.


[Edited 9/5/17 9:14am]


[Edited 9/5/17 9:16am]



 


Agree with what?! are we talking about the Purple Rain deluxe or the 1999 album/videos?


 


please please please help me to understand that you do know the Automatic video was on the 1982 '1999' double album release not the 1984 Purple Rain soundtrack release


we might have to take that 'purple' out of your id/name lol


and send you to purple school:purple music 101


 


 


The Purple Rain deluxe that they were asked about had nothing to do with 1999


I mean Laurarichardson got you off track quick lol


 


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OF4S the bolded is what I'm agreeing with. How could they forget her. She had been around before PR. Making fun of my name is not necessary. It is not expertpurplefam after all. Thx!
[Edited 9/5/17 18:12pm]
[Edited 9/5/17 18:15pm]
Reply #241 posted 09/05/17 6:20pm

purplefam99

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



laurarichardson said:


 



OldFriends4Sale said:


 


 


Are you two really getting up on the 1999 era videos?


We are talking about the Purple Rain deluxe release linear notes


 


this ain't about Vanity and Wonderful Ass, this is about the whole project.


 


where was Lisa asked about Automatic on the Purple Rain linear notes?


ya'll come on back 2 reason.


 


 



She cannot remember who Jill was enough to bring her up. So since they are making out in the 1999 video that kind of proves she knew who the hell she was.  Damm this had to be explained to you? 



 


Yet Lisa & Wendy prior to Prince's death in 2016 pay compliment to Jill on their FB page


.


Stop Laurarichardson, please just stop.
This is looking desperate.


 


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Paying a compliment in lue of credit is not what you want on any job.
Reply #242 posted 09/05/17 6:38pm

purplefam99

This is what I feel about the situation. The initial credit beef is with Prince, but now that she is bringing it up they should kindly address it and try to make it right. The most current issue I can align it with is ( and this is more harsh)
But it is the issue with the confederate statues coming down. It wasn't right to have those symbols before and ignore what they represented to many people, but we have the duty now to make it right. Just because the non crediting was done under Princes watch doesn't exempt us/them from making things right. They should make it right. That is human kindness, that is the right thing to do. No matter how poorly one thinks Jill is going about it. we should help make it right.
My thoughts.
[Edited 9/5/17 18:41pm]
Reply #243 posted 09/05/17 7:13pm

laurarichardson

purplefam99 said:

This is what I feel about the situation. The initial credit beef is with Prince, but now that she is bringing it up they should kindly address it and try to make it right. The most current issue I can align it with is ( and this is more harsh)
But it is the issue with the confederate statues coming down. It wasn't right to have those symbols before and ignore what they represented to many people, but we have the duty now to make it right. Just because the non crediting was done under Princes watch doesn't exempt us/them from making things right. They should make it right. That is human kindness, that is the right thing to do. No matter how poorly one thinks Jill is going about it. we should help make it right.
My thoughts.
[Edited 9/5/17 18:41pm]

Thank you. Why is it so hard for people on this board to admit that W&L could do the right think and just give Jill a shout out? Try doing this today and you orgers can stop going on about last year. Making sure someone is not near you at an event is not being nice. All the cheerleading and cup caking will not change anything of these facts. Pretending that W&L may not remember her contributions is absurd.
Reply #244 posted 09/05/17 9:19pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

laurarichardson said:

purplefam99 said:
This is what I feel about the situation. The initial credit beef is with Prince, but now that she is bringing it up they should kindly address it and try to make it right. The most current issue I can align it with is ( and this is more harsh) But it is the issue with the confederate statues coming down. It wasn't right to have those symbols before and ignore what they represented to many people, but we have the duty now to make it right. Just because the non crediting was done under Princes watch doesn't exempt us/them from making things right. They should make it right. That is human kindness, that is the right thing to do. No matter how poorly one thinks Jill is going about it. we should help make it right. My thoughts. [Edited 9/5/17 18:41pm]
Thank you. Why is it so hard for people on this board to admit that W&L could do the right think and just give Jill a shout out? Try doing this today and you orgers can stop going on about last year. Making sure someone is not near you at an event is not being nice. All the cheerleading and cup caking will not change anything of these facts. Pretending that W&L may not remember her contributions is absurd.

Do you remember when you said Jill's singing suxed?

http://prince.org/msg/5/186817

[Edited 9/5/17 21:21pm]

Reply #245 posted 09/06/17 12:44am

jaawwnn

laurarichardson said:

purplefam99 said:

This is what I feel about the situation. The initial credit beef is with Prince, but now that she is bringing it up they should kindly address it and try to make it right. The most current issue I can align it with is ( and this is more harsh)
But it is the issue with the confederate statues coming down. It wasn't right to have those symbols before and ignore what they represented to many people, but we have the duty now to make it right. Just because the non crediting was done under Princes watch doesn't exempt us/them from making things right. They should make it right. That is human kindness, that is the right thing to do. No matter how poorly one thinks Jill is going about it. we should help make it right.
My thoughts.
[Edited 9/5/17 18:41pm]

Thank you. Why is it so hard for people on this board to admit that W&L could do the right think and just give Jill a shout out? Try doing this today and you orgers can stop going on about last year. Making sure someone is not near you at an event is not being nice. All the cheerleading and cup caking will not change anything of these facts. Pretending that W&L may not remember her contributions is absurd.

You mean like how Lisa brings up her singing contributions in her interview on the Purple Rain reissue? Is that what you mean? The thing that actually happened?
Reply #246 posted 09/06/17 4:45am

PennyPurple

laurarichardson said:

Thank you. Why is it so hard for people on this board to admit that W&L could do the right think and just give Jill a shout out? Try doing this today and you orgers can stop going on about last year. Making sure someone is not near you at an event is not being nice. All the cheerleading and cup caking will not change anything of these facts. Pretending that W&L may not remember her contributions is absurd.

Why does Wendy and Lisa have to give her a shout out? They don't have to do crap, and why is Jill so needy that she needs a shout out from them?

Reply #247 posted 09/06/17 4:46am

PennyPurple

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Do you remember when you said Jill's singing suxed?

http://prince.org/msg/5/186817

[Edited 9/5/17 21:21pm]

Ooops, there.it.is. lol

Reply #248 posted 09/06/17 9:31am

laurarichardson

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

Thank you. Why is it so hard for people on this board to admit that W&L could do the right think and just give Jill a shout out? Try doing this today and you orgers can stop going on about last year. Making sure someone is not near you at an event is not being nice. All the cheerleading and cup caking will not change anything of these facts. Pretending that W&L may not remember her contributions is absurd.

Why does Wendy and Lisa have to give her a shout out? They don't have to do crap, and why is Jill so needy that she needs a shout out from them?

Well they are not doing crap and I doubt that will change. It is my opinion and I am allowed to have it.

Reply #249 posted 09/06/17 9:32am

laurarichardson

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

purplefam99 said: Thank you. Why is it so hard for people on this board to admit that W&L could do the right think and just give Jill a shout out? Try doing this today and you orgers can stop going on about last year. Making sure someone is not near you at an event is not being nice. All the cheerleading and cup caking will not change anything of these facts. Pretending that W&L may not remember her contributions is absurd.

Do you remember when you said Jill's singing suxed?

http://prince.org/msg/5/186817

[Edited 9/5/17 21:21pm]

I actually do not care for her as a singer however, I do not think she should get credit for her work and I do not think she is wrong to point out being left out. My opinion. We have to agree to disagree

Reply #250 posted 09/06/17 10:44am

crimesofparis

laurarichardson said:

 



PennyPurple said:


 



laurarichardson said:


Thank you. Why is it so hard for people on this board to admit that W&L could do the right think and just give Jill a shout out? Try doing this today and you orgers can stop going on about last year. Making sure someone is not near you at an event is not being nice. All the cheerleading and cup caking will not change anything of these facts. Pretending that W&L may not remember her contributions is absurd.

Why does Wendy and Lisa have to give her a shout out? They don't have to do crap, and why is Jill so needy that she needs a shout out from them?



Well they are not doing crap and I doubt that will change. It is my opinion and I am allowed to have it. 


If she really wants them to go to bat for her, she should probably insult them on social media less. There's no way she expects them to stand up and shout about her contributions.

I don't want to say that the industry is a game, but it's certainly about relationships and personal/professional reputation. Even if you're great at your craft, if you're less than polite to the wrong person, people aren't going to work with you. If you can't stand a person, keep it to yourself and play nice. The absolute best trait you can have in this industry IMO is letting something go so you can get what you want.

It's not The Revolution's job to make sure credits are correct. It was WB's. Rev probably didn't even see the final product until after it was pressed. No going back and making corrections then!

Lisa literally says that Jill sang on the record in her liner notes story. That's probably the most she could do as far as having sway. If nothing else, it gives people who read it an indication that Jill is all over the record.

What else could you expect from people? If someone talked about me the way Jill does about The Revolution, I probably wouldn't take it as well as Rev is taking it. As in ignoring it and trying to avoid her (and potential confrontations) instead of lashing back. And seeing how Jill talks about them, do you think she even wants them to, I don't even know, stand up for her I guess?
Reply #251 posted 09/06/17 11:32am

PennyPurple

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

Why does Wendy and Lisa have to give her a shout out? They don't have to do crap, and why is Jill so needy that she needs a shout out from them?

Well they are not doing crap and I doubt that will change. It is my opinion and I am allowed to have it.

Why do they have to do anything where Jill is concerned? Why should they be expected to?

Reply #252 posted 09/06/17 11:34am

PennyPurple

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Do you remember when you said Jill's singing suxed?

http://prince.org/msg/5/186817

[Edited 9/5/17 21:21pm]

I actually do not care for her as a singer however, I do not think she should get credit for her work and I do not think she is wrong to point out being left out. My opinion. We have to agree to disagree

So you don't think she should get credit for her work, but you don't think she is wrong to point out, being left out??

Reply #253 posted 09/06/17 12:35pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

purplefam99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Agree with what?! are we talking about the Purple Rain deluxe or the 1999 album/videos?

please please please help me to understand that you do know the Automatic video was on the 1982 '1999' double album release not the 1984 Purple Rain soundtrack release

we might have to take that 'purple' out of your id/name lol

and send you to purple school:purple music 101

The Purple Rain deluxe that they were asked about had nothing to do with 1999

I mean Laurarichardson got you off track quick lol

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OF4S the bolded is what I'm agreeing with. How could they forget her. She had been around before PR. Making fun of my name is not necessary. It is not expertpurplefam after all. Thx! [Edited 9/5/17 18:12pm] [Edited 9/5/17 18:15pm]

what bolded part?

.

again, what does the 1999 album have to do with the Purple Rain deluxe?

the 1999 album/videos have nothing to do with the Purple Rain deluxe that we are talking about.
And why would anyone think they forgot her?

.

btw I'm just messing with you, don't take it serious, I trying to understand why Laurarichardson mixed in a 1999 era video and why U are furthering that which has absolutely nothing to do with the Purple Rain era/album deluxe

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Reply #254 posted 09/06/17 12:40pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

purplefam99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yet Lisa & Wendy prior to Prince's death in 2016 pay compliment to Jill on their FB page

.

Stop Laurarichardson, please just stop.
This is looking desperate.

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Paying a compliment in lue of credit is not what you want on any job.

Stay in line with why I replied that to Laurarichardson purplefam99.
.
Defending LR's derailment of bringing in 1999 era videos doesn't help the arguement.

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It is not the Revolutions job to 'give credit'
.
The comment about W & Lisa complimenting Jill Jones, is not about the PR deluxe, it happened in 2016 before Prince died.

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Laurarichardson said "Lisa cannot remember Jill to bring her up" I said if that is the case they why did she post on their FB page I heart Jill, she is not wasted talent, she still makes music.

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Reply #255 posted 09/06/17 12:41pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

purplefam99 said:

This is what I feel about the situation. The initial credit beef is with Prince, but now that she is bringing it up they should kindly address it and try to make it right. The most current issue I can align it with is ( and this is more harsh) But it is the issue with the confederate statues coming down. It wasn't right to have those symbols before and ignore what they represented to many people, but we have the duty now to make it right. Just because the non crediting was done under Princes watch doesn't exempt us/them from making things right. They should make it right. That is human kindness, that is the right thing to do. No matter how poorly one thinks Jill is going about it. we should help make it right. My thoughts. [Edited 9/5/17 18:41pm]

But it isn't the Revolutions responsibility.

That agreement was with Prince since 1983/84 -

Her contract and deal was with Prince via WB

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I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
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Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
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Reply #256 posted 09/06/17 12:45pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

Why does Wendy and Lisa have to give her a shout out? They don't have to do crap, and why is Jill so needy that she needs a shout out from them?

Well they are not doing crap and I doubt that will change. It is my opinion and I am allowed to have it.

It was also your opinion that JJ had no PRIDE having sex with Prince in bathrooms

http://prince.org/msg/5/53632 post #24

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Reply #257 posted 09/06/17 1:46pm

SoulAlive

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Reply #258 posted 09/06/17 2:05pm

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

Well they are not doing crap and I doubt that will change. It is my opinion and I am allowed to have it.

It was also your opinion that JJ had no PRIDE having sex with Prince in bathrooms

http://prince.org/msg/5/53632 post #24

That is true as well. Just because I do not agree with her sexual behavior it does not mean she should not receive credit for her work. Oh I do not give Prince a pass he was a straight dog with the bathroom smashing and lesibian watching. That is a whole different topic.

Reply #259 posted 09/06/17 2:24pm

purplefam99

OldFriends4Sale said:

purplefam99 said:

This is what I feel about the situation. The initial credit beef is with Prince, but now that she is bringing it up they should kindly address it and try to make it right. The most current issue I can align it with is ( and this is more harsh) But it is the issue with the confederate statues coming down. It wasn't right to have those symbols before and ignore what they represented to many people, but we have the duty now to make it right. Just because the non crediting was done under Princes watch doesn't exempt us/them from making things right. They should make it right. That is human kindness, that is the right thing to do. No matter how poorly one thinks Jill is going about it. we should help make it right. My thoughts. [Edited 9/5/17 18:41pm]

But it isn't the Revolutions responsibility.

That agreement was with Prince since 1983/84 -

Her contract and deal was with Prince via WB

It for sure is NOT their responsibility, but sometimes it is ok to TAKE IT. Like i said in regards to the

confederate statues, people are assuming some responsiblity now, this bodes well for me as a human, so

i leans towards that suggestion, but it is ultimately up to them and how they feel about karma or

whatever they want to call it.

Reply #260 posted 09/06/17 5:38pm

jdcxc

The only reason this turmoil exists is because Prince did 90% of his recorded music (produced, arranged, written, performed, composed by one man).

Now his associates are fighting for the scraps of credit leftovers. And The Org started this nonsense with the W&L bullshit over the years.
Reply #261 posted 09/07/17 4:19am

laurarichardson

jdcxc said:

The only reason this turmoil exists is because Prince did 90% of his recorded music (produced, arranged, written, performed, composed by one man). Now his associates are fighting for the scraps of credit leftovers. And The Org started this nonsense with the W&L bullshit over the years.

The elavation of W&L contributions is the root cause of the whole thing.

Reply #262 posted 09/07/17 5:35am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

purplefam99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

But it isn't the Revolutions responsibility.

That agreement was with Prince since 1983/84 -

Her contract and deal was with Prince via WB

It for sure is NOT their responsibility, but sometimes it is ok to TAKE IT. Like i said in regards to the

confederate statues, people are assuming some responsiblity now, this bodes well for me as a human, so

i leans towards that suggestion, but it is ultimately up to them and how they feel about karma or

whatever they want to call it.

Well let's put this into perspective. Prince passed away April 2016. There was never a problem prior to that. Never. Lisa herself has 'given credit' to Jill being on a few songs that were mentioned here like Take Me With U and Baby I'm a Star (for the longest people believed that Take Me With U was just Prince and Apollonia, when the reality was Prince the Revolution and JJ was on that song) I would have never known about. Sheila E never talked about anything JJ did on her albums, the Time never talked about anything(that I can recall) JJ has done on their albums. the albums Lisa Coleman performed on were never 'her' albums. They were Prince's albums. Lisa Coleman as we've stated prior, cannot be expected to give credit, when she might not even know about JJ being on some things. As Apollonia did not even know JJ or Lisa sang on the song.

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Let's leave the Confederate stuff out of this, I don't get the correlation nor the comparison.

.

And as CrimesofParis said (read their post) If out of no where JJ starts cursing them out and shitting on them for, why would they feel any obligation to do or say anything? If someone did that to you how likely are you to pat someone on the back? Sorry if my mother cursed me out like that I would never mention her name again until she apologized openly and talked to me 1 on 1 to clear things up.

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Like I said, I'm all for JJ getting credit, but it is not the Revolutions responsibility. She signed away on things with Prince via WB. She just needs to respectfully communicate thru the proper channels.

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So how does Karma fit in in connection to Prince? Because again it is technically and literally about Prince & JJ.

How does Karma kick back on JJ by publically cursing out and bad talking the Revolution?

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It is my hope that 'time heals...' that a little more distance from Prince's passing that she and WB are able to rerelease her album, and that they take more time in preparing further album re-releases communicating with as many people involved as possible.

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Reply #263 posted 09/07/17 5:37am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

jdcxc said:

The only reason this turmoil exists is because Prince did 90% of his recorded music (produced, arranged, written, performed, composed by one man). Now his associates are fighting for the scraps of credit leftovers. And The Org started this nonsense with the W&L bullshit over the years.

The elavation of W&L contributions is the root cause of the whole thing.

No it isn't the root of anything. Purple Rain and all the album JJ performed on Prince or proteges is about Prince & JJ that is the root.

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Reply #264 posted 09/07/17 6:03am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

The elavation of W&L contributions is the root cause of the whole thing.

No it isn't the root of anything. Purple Rain and all the album JJ performed on Prince or proteges is about Prince & JJ that is the root.

No

Reply #265 posted 09/07/17 7:19am

PennyPurple

purplefam99 said:

This is what I feel about the situation. The initial credit beef is with Prince, but now that she is bringing it up they should kindly address it and try to make it right. The most current issue I can align it with is ( and this is more harsh) But it is the issue with the confederate statues coming down. It wasn't right to have those symbols before and ignore what they represented to many people, but we have the duty now to make it right. Just because the non crediting was done under Princes watch doesn't exempt us/them from making things right. They should make it right. That is human kindness, that is the right thing to do. No matter how poorly one thinks Jill is going about it. we should help make it right. My thoughts. [Edited 9/5/17 18:41pm]

It's not up to anybody to make it right. It's not W&L, or the revs responsibility to make sure Jill gets credit. If WB or Prince didn't give her credit, it is surely not anybody elses responsibility.


And where is Jill's responsibility in all this? Why didn't she make sure she was credited then and now? Nobody else should have to do it for her.

Reply #266 posted 09/07/17 8:18am

crimesofparis

PennyPurple said:

 



purplefam99 said:


This is what I feel about the situation. The initial credit beef is with Prince, but now that she is bringing it up they should kindly address it and try to make it right. The most current issue I can align it with is ( and this is more harsh) But it is the issue with the confederate statues coming down. It wasn't right to have those symbols before and ignore what they represented to many people, but we have the duty now to make it right. Just because the non crediting was done under Princes watch doesn't exempt us/them from making things right. They should make it right. That is human kindness, that is the right thing to do. No matter how poorly one thinks Jill is going about it. we should help make it right. My thoughts. [Edited 9/5/17 18:41pm]

It's not up to anybody to make it right. It's not W&L, or the revs responsibility to make sure Jill gets credit. If WB or Prince didn't give her credit, it is surely not anybody elses responsibility.



And where is Jill's responsibility in all this? Why didn't she make sure she was credited then and now? Nobody else should have to do it for her.


I feel like I remember Wendy or Lisa talking about Prince and his way of giving credit, and they said that they were young and trusted him to do right by them. But if they had been more savvy, they would have done more to protect themselves (for lack of a better word).

Coming from people who grew up in the industry, that's shocking. If anyone should have known better at that age, it was them.

And Jill, actually, having family in the industry. Why didn't someone tell her to keep tabs on her credit? Then again, back then it wasn't so uncommon for background singers to not get due credit. That doesn't make it right, just normal.

Or maybe someone did tell Wendy and Lisa and Jill to make sure they were being appropriately credited and compensated. And they shrugged it off. We don't always listen to people who know better, especially if we're already on the ride.
Reply #267 posted 09/07/17 8:29am

purplefam99

i can see that the view of "do it yourself, it's not my job" is prevelant in the world. i'm not

targeting W&L specifically. i just think that if they (anyone who was around and could really help influence the matter) took a sec and said "hey how can we perphaps help

JJ get some laten credit, maybe we could speak to someone at WB and let them know how we feel

that she should get some sort of credit." If people have done that sort of action then i have no beef

here. it took all sorts of people who were not directly affected by jim crow to make things right,

it takes all sorts of people who were not directly affected by hurricane harvey to help make things

right, it takes people picking up others trash to make the world better. i believe we all with our tiny share can help in big ways. i think doing positive actions shores up your bank of positive karma, puts

more positivity in the world than not. i try to remember she is in grief and when we tire of someone's

pain so quickly we perhaps are loosing our humanity. a second of heart felt meaningful empathy

goes a long way in quieting a child i am betting it would work on an adult too.

#love4oneanother

[Edited 9/7/17 8:38am]

Reply #268 posted 09/07/17 8:58am

crimesofparis

purplefam99 said:

i can see that the view of  "do it yourself, it's not my job"  is prevelant in the world.  i'm not 


targeting W&L specifically. i just think that if they (anyone who was around and could really help influence the matter) took a sec and said "hey how can we perphaps help


JJ get some laten credit, maybe we could speak to someone at WB and let them know how we feel


that she should get some sort of credit."   If people have done that sort of action then i have no beef


here.   it took all sorts of people who were not directly affected by jim crow to make things right,


it takes all sorts of people who were not directly affected by hurricane harvey to help make things


right, it takes people picking up others trash to make the world better. i believe we all with our tiny share can help in big ways.  i think doing positive actions shores up your bank of positive karma, puts


more positivity in the world than not.   i try to remember she is in grief and when we tire of someone's


pain so quickly we perhaps are loosing our humanity.  a second of heart felt meaningful empathy


goes a long way in quieting a child i am betting it would work on an adult too.  


 


#love4oneanother

[Edited 9/7/17 8:38am]


I think that comparing lack of credits to Jim Crow is pretty insulting to the actual murderous shit that was Jim Crow.

This is a woman not being properly credited on a record that came out 33 years ago. I 100% get a racial sensitivity to it (black women were so pushed out of credits more so than anyone else in the industry), but I don't think that's what is in play here. I don't think that's why people aren't visibly speaking up about this.

I think they're not speaking up because Jill has said pretty nasty things about them. Openly. That doesn't mean they shouldn't. It just makes it reasonable that they aren't. In fact, it makes it surprising to me that Susan and Lisa even mentioned Jill in their stories.

But how do you think Jill would even react if suddenly Wendy and Lisa were fighting for her proper credit? Jill dislikes them so much apparently that she told people to not tag her in posts that mention The Revolution.
Reply #269 posted 09/07/17 9:04am

jaawwnn

They kept the Purple Rain credits and liner notes as they were in 1984, what they added was incorrect credits for the new tracks. It seems likely WB asked no one for recording info about the new tracks and just went by what was written on the boxes and some guesswork.

Reply #270 posted 09/07/17 9:09am

PennyPurple

purplefam99 said:

i can see that the view of "do it yourself, it's not my job" is prevelant in the world. i'm not

targeting W&L specifically. i just think that if they (anyone who was around and could really help influence the matter) took a sec and said "hey how can we perphaps help

JJ get some laten credit, maybe we could speak to someone at WB and let them know how we feel

that she should get some sort of credit." If people have done that sort of action then i have no beef

here. it took all sorts of people who were not directly affected by jim crow to make things right,

it takes all sorts of people who were not directly affected by hurricane harvey to help make things

right, it takes people picking up others trash to make the world better. i believe we all with our tiny share can help in big ways. i think doing positive actions shores up your bank of positive karma, puts

more positivity in the world than not. i try to remember she is in grief and when we tire of someone's

pain so quickly we perhaps are loosing our humanity. a second of heart felt meaningful empathy

goes a long way in quieting a child i am betting it would work on an adult too.

#love4oneanother

[Edited 9/7/17 8:38am]

I'm sick of this Jim Crow crap.


Jill should've looked out for Jill. She wasn't looking out for W&L or anybody else when she was performing sexual acts with Prince.


It's Jill's own fault that she didn't demand credit back then. Now 30 years later she's screaming about it. This happened because of her failure, to demand credit, if and when credit was due.


Let Jill talk to WB, let her lawyer talk to WB. If Jill wants it, Jill needs to do it.

Reply #271 posted 09/07/17 9:12am

laurarichardson

PennyPurple said:

purplefam99 said:

i can see that the view of "do it yourself, it's not my job" is prevelant in the world. i'm not

targeting W&L specifically. i just think that if they (anyone who was around and could really help influence the matter) took a sec and said "hey how can we perphaps help

JJ get some laten credit, maybe we could speak to someone at WB and let them know how we feel

that she should get some sort of credit." If people have done that sort of action then i have no beef

here. it took all sorts of people who were not directly affected by jim crow to make things right,

it takes all sorts of people who were not directly affected by hurricane harvey to help make things

right, it takes people picking up others trash to make the world better. i believe we all with our tiny share can help in big ways. i think doing positive actions shores up your bank of positive karma, puts

more positivity in the world than not. i try to remember she is in grief and when we tire of someone's

pain so quickly we perhaps are loosing our humanity. a second of heart felt meaningful empathy

goes a long way in quieting a child i am betting it would work on an adult too.

#love4oneanother

[Edited 9/7/17 8:38am]

I'm sick of this Jim Crow crap.


Jill should've looked out for Jill. She wasn't looking out for W&L or anybody else when she was performing sexual acts with Prince.


It's Jill's own fault that she didn't demand credit back then. Now 30 years later she's screaming about it. This happened because of her failure, to demand credit, if and when credit was due.


Let Jill talk to WB, let her lawyer talk to WB. If Jill wants it, Jill needs to do it.

Jill owns her own business so I think she looked out for herself well. She is not selling old legwarmers to get money. I am sure she is going to continue to say just what she wants to say.

Reply #272 posted 09/07/17 9:14am

laurarichardson

crimesofparis said:

purplefam99 said:

i can see that the view of "do it yourself, it's not my job" is prevelant in the world. i'm not

targeting W&L specifically. i just think that if they (anyone who was around and could really help influence the matter) took a sec and said "hey how can we perphaps help

JJ get some laten credit, maybe we could speak to someone at WB and let them know how we feel

that she should get some sort of credit." If people have done that sort of action then i have no beef

here. it took all sorts of people who were not directly affected by jim crow to make things right,

it takes all sorts of people who were not directly affected by hurricane harvey to help make things

right, it takes people picking up others trash to make the world better. i believe we all with our tiny share can help in big ways. i think doing positive actions shores up your bank of positive karma, puts

more positivity in the world than not. i try to remember she is in grief and when we tire of someone's

pain so quickly we perhaps are loosing our humanity. a second of heart felt meaningful empathy

goes a long way in quieting a child i am betting it would work on an adult too.

#love4oneanother

[Edited 9/7/17 8:38am]

I think that comparing lack of credits to Jim Crow is pretty insulting to the actual murderous shit that was Jim Crow. This is a woman not being properly credited on a record that came out 33 years ago. I 100% get a racial sensitivity to it (black women were so pushed out of credits more so than anyone else in the industry), but I don't think that's what is in play here. I don't think that's why people aren't visibly speaking up about this. I think they're not speaking up because Jill has said pretty nasty things about them. Openly. That doesn't mean they shouldn't. It just makes it reasonable that they aren't. In fact, it makes it surprising to me that Susan and Lisa even mentioned Jill in their stories. But how do you think Jill would even react if suddenly Wendy and Lisa were fighting for her proper credit? Jill dislikes them so much apparently that she told people to not tag her in posts that mention The Revolution.

Jim Crow is exterme but Whitewashing and making Prince in Sammy Lunchmeat as Jill has said is very real.

Reply #273 posted 09/07/17 9:14am

PennyPurple

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

I'm sick of this Jim Crow crap.


Jill should've looked out for Jill. She wasn't looking out for W&L or anybody else when she was performing sexual acts with Prince.


It's Jill's own fault that she didn't demand credit back then. Now 30 years later she's screaming about it. This happened because of her failure, to demand credit, if and when credit was due.


Let Jill talk to WB, let her lawyer talk to WB. If Jill wants it, Jill needs to do it.

Jill owns her own business so I think she looked out for herself well. She is not selling old legwarmers to get money. I am sure she is going to continue to say just what she wants to say.

Evidently she didn't do a very good job of looking out for herself or she would've been credited. And she's the one bitchin.

Reply #274 posted 09/07/17 9:47am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

crimesofparis said:

purplefam99 said: I think that comparing lack of credits to Jim Crow is pretty insulting to the actual murderous shit that was Jim Crow. This is a woman not being properly credited on a record that came out 33 years ago. I 100% get a racial sensitivity to it (black women were so pushed out of credits more so than anyone else in the industry), but I don't think that's what is in play here. I don't think that's why people aren't visibly speaking up about this. I think they're not speaking up because Jill has said pretty nasty things about them. Openly. That doesn't mean they shouldn't. It just makes it reasonable that they aren't. In fact, it makes it surprising to me that Susan and Lisa even mentioned Jill in their stories. But how do you think Jill would even react if suddenly Wendy and Lisa were fighting for her proper credit? Jill dislikes them so much apparently that she told people to not tag her in posts that mention The Revolution.

Jim Crow is exterme but Whitewashing and making Prince in Sammy Lunchmeat as Jill has said is very real.

That isn't happening, nor did it happen

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #275 posted 09/07/17 9:53am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

purplefam99 said:

i can see that the view of "do it yourself, it's not my job" is prevelant in the world. i'm not

targeting W&L specifically. i just think that if they (anyone who was around and could really help influence the matter) took a sec and said "hey how can we perphaps help

JJ get some laten credit, maybe we could speak to someone at WB and let them know how we feel

that she should get some sort of credit." If people have done that sort of action then i have no beef

here. it took all sorts of people who were not directly affected by jim crow to make things right,

it takes all sorts of people who were not directly affected by hurricane harvey to help make things

right, it takes people picking up others trash to make the world better. i believe we all with our tiny share can help in big ways. i think doing positive actions shores up your bank of positive karma, puts

more positivity in the world than not. i try to remember she is in grief and when we tire of someone's

pain so quickly we perhaps are loosing our humanity. a second of heart felt meaningful empathy

goes a long way in quieting a child i am betting it would work on an adult too.

#love4oneanother

[Edited 9/7/17 8:38am]

Again, would U? if someone from Sept 2016 onward started a cyberwar against you?

Karma... deals with Cause & Effect right?

.

And please stop with the Confederate / Jim Crow stuff, I mean that is just waaaay off

using Hurricane Harvey to reason with JJ not getting credit on a PR deluxe?

.

This kind of stuff happens to all people in the music industry.

Wendy Lisa & Susannah also did not get credit for stuff they worked on.
LOTS of people throught PRince career did not get credit, compensation etc for work they did with Prince from Jesse Johnson Susannah JJ Rosie Eric Leeds Levi Seacer jr

.

I suspect most of us feel 4 JJ and anyone else in a situation like this. But there is still a way to go about it. Cyber attacks and rants are not the way. I suspect, if that 2016 FB attack against the Revolution did not happen, the timeline of events would have been very different. She probably would have been a guest singer on some Revolution shows etc I mean a lot of this viciousness among these female associates probably would not be so available if these grown women didn't act out this way. Elise said some things she cannot take back, she might be able to make it right with Shelby and others, but the seed is already planted. She created a line of division.

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #276 posted 09/07/17 10:22am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

purplefam99 said:

i can see that the view of "do it yourself, it's not my job" is prevelant in the world. i'm not

targeting W&L specifically. i just think that if they (anyone who was around and could really help influence the matter) took a sec and said "hey how can we perphaps help

JJ get some laten credit, maybe we could speak to someone at WB and let them know how we feel

that she should get some sort of credit." If people have done that sort of action then i have no beef

here. it took all sorts of people who were not directly affected by jim crow to make things right,

it takes all sorts of people who were not directly affected by hurricane harvey to help make things

right, it takes people picking up others trash to make the world better. i believe we all with our tiny share can help in big ways. i think doing positive actions shores up your bank of positive karma, puts

more positivity in the world than not. i try to remember she is in grief and when we tire of someone's

pain so quickly we perhaps are loosing our humanity. a second of heart felt meaningful empathy

goes a long way in quieting a child i am betting it would work on an adult too.

#love4oneanother

[Edited 9/7/17 8:38am]

Again, would U? if someone from Sept 2016 onward started a cyberwar against you?

Karma... deals with Cause & Effect right?

.

And please stop with the Confederate / Jim Crow stuff, I mean that is just waaaay off

using Hurricane Harvey to reason with JJ not getting credit on a PR deluxe?

.

This kind of stuff happens to all people in the music industry.

Wendy Lisa & Susannah also did not get credit for stuff they worked on.
LOTS of people throught PRince career did not get credit, compensation etc for work they did with Prince from Jesse Johnson Susannah JJ Rosie Eric Leeds Levi Seacer jr

Making a comment on Facebook is not starting a cyber war. I hope you get a good check from W&L

Reply #277 posted 09/07/17 10:24am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Can someone reasonable tell me what Sammy Lunchmeat means?

Lunchmeat is a slang for a womans vagina

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #278 posted 09/07/17 10:29am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Again, would U? if someone from Sept 2016 onward started a cyberwar against you?

Karma... deals with Cause & Effect right?

.

And please stop with the Confederate / Jim Crow stuff, I mean that is just waaaay off

using Hurricane Harvey to reason with JJ not getting credit on a PR deluxe?

.

This kind of stuff happens to all people in the music industry.

Wendy Lisa & Susannah also did not get credit for stuff they worked on.
LOTS of people throught PRince career did not get credit, compensation etc for work they did with Prince from Jesse Johnson Susannah JJ Rosie Eric Leeds Levi Seacer jr

Making a comment on Facebook is not starting a cyber war. I hope you get a good check from W&L

Uh yeah it is.
That is why you are able to be all up in it, and all these crazy websites hating Mayte etc

It is a cyberwar against people. When you use cyberspace to disparage people it is a cyberwar

People might no realize what they are doing in the moment that it starts, but once people start tweeting it, liking it, sharing it...

Yes I get paid well

And I don't have the low opinion you have of JJ

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #279 posted 09/07/17 10:59am

crimesofparis

laurarichardson said:

 



crimesofparis said:


purplefam99 said:

i can see that the view of  "do it yourself, it's not my job"  is prevelant in the world.  i'm not 


targeting W&L specifically. i just think that if they (anyone who was around and could really help influence the matter) took a sec and said "hey how can we perphaps help


JJ get some laten credit, maybe we could speak to someone at WB and let them know how we feel


that she should get some sort of credit."   If people have done that sort of action then i have no beef


here.   it took all sorts of people who were not directly affected by jim crow to make things right,


it takes all sorts of people who were not directly affected by hurricane harvey to help make things


right, it takes people picking up others trash to make the world better. i believe we all with our tiny share can help in big ways.  i think doing positive actions shores up your bank of positive karma, puts


more positivity in the world than not.   i try to remember she is in grief and when we tire of someone's


pain so quickly we perhaps are loosing our humanity.  a second of heart felt meaningful empathy


goes a long way in quieting a child i am betting it would work on an adult too.  


 


#love4oneanother


[Edited 9/7/17 8:38am]



I think that comparing lack of credits to Jim Crow is pretty insulting to the actual murderous shit that was Jim Crow. This is a woman not being properly credited on a record that came out 33 years ago. I 100% get a racial sensitivity to it (black women were so pushed out of credits more so than anyone else in the industry), but I don't think that's what is in play here. I don't think that's why people aren't visibly speaking up about this. I think they're not speaking up because Jill has said pretty nasty things about them. Openly. That doesn't mean they shouldn't. It just makes it reasonable that they aren't. In fact, it makes it surprising to me that Susan and Lisa even mentioned Jill in their stories. But how do you think Jill would even react if suddenly Wendy and Lisa were fighting for her proper credit? Jill dislikes them so much apparently that she told people to not tag her in posts that mention The Revolution.

Jim Crow is exterme but Whitewashing and making Prince in Sammy Lunchmeat as Jill has said is very real. 


...what?
Reply #280 posted 09/07/17 11:21am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

who are the women of color being dragged,

who are the men being emasculated?

Is the 'camp' talked about the 80s camp?

.

this is all done, I need more unreleased music.
I like the leaked stuff...

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #281 posted 09/07/17 11:46am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

who are the women of color being dragged,

who are the men being emasculated?

Is the 'camp' talked about the 80s camp?

.

this is all done, I need more unreleased music.
I like the leaked stuff...

Jill, Apples, Robyn Power, Vanity and lately Sheila E. Just a few women of color who take a beating on this board. I never said anything about men being emasculated but associates of color especially women have been dogged on this board for years.

Reply #282 posted 09/07/17 11:52am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

who are the women of color being dragged,

who are the men being emasculated?

Is the 'camp' talked about the 80s camp?

.

this is all done, I need more unreleased music.
I like the leaked stuff...

Jill, Apples, Robyn Power, Vanity and lately Sheila E. Just a few women of color who take a beating on this board. I never said anything about men being emasculated but associates of color especially women have been dogged on this board for years.

uh uh

Everyone in Prince's camp black white latino other take a beating on this board

And most get dragged by you

And why are you replying personally? My replying is to the OP introductory post

Everyone gets dragged, and everyone get's celebrated.

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #283 posted 09/07/17 12:02pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

I wonder do those Mayte haters not like that Kim was doing Mayte's hair at the BET tribute

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #284 posted 09/07/17 12:06pm

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

Jill, Apples, Robyn Power, Vanity and lately Sheila E. Just a few women of color who take a beating on this board. I never said anything about men being emasculated but associates of color especially women have been dogged on this board for years.

uh uh

Everyone in Prince's camp black white latino other take a beating on this board

And most get dragged by you

And why are you replying personally? My replying is to the OP introductory post

Everyone gets dragged, and everyone get's celebrated.

I have not dragged any of those women I mentioned. I will reply to your comment. Leave in La La land.

Reply #285 posted 09/07/17 12:17pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

uh uh

Everyone in Prince's camp black white latino other take a beating on this board

And most get dragged by you

And why are you replying personally? My replying is to the OP introductory post

Everyone gets dragged, and everyone get's celebrated.

I have not dragged any of those women I mentioned. I will reply to your comment. Leave in La La land.

Laurarichardson. The one thing I can say about you is that you are an equal opportunity dragger..

.

I mean your comments about JJ having no pride and having sex with Prince in bathrooms is 'dragging'

.

who gets dragged here and other places? 1st mostly women. Race? no

.

Robyn Powers on this site is actually fun. I don't know how she get's dragged. I don't know what she actually has done in 'Prince' world that merits much acknowledgement. Cat hates being mistaken for her. Prince didn't care for Robin Power & the Uptown Dames. I suspect 1989-1990 was heavy transitional time for period. Not much worked during the GB period.

.

who get's dragged hmmm on this site JJ has always been celebrated and acknowledged.

.

Who get's dragged... Wendy Susannah Lisa Cat (not Gayle Chapman) Susan Rogers Mayte, not much about Sheila E outside of post April 2016(ya know all the cashing in and milking she's been accused of) 3rd Eye Girl Shelby, not Rhonda, not Katt Dayson, Cora D a little but that is mostly people not really liking her drumming. Andy Allo? no Carmel Electra dragged? big time

.

M Who get's dragged... Tony M (Larry Graham)... who else, not much, and I don't understand any emasculating outside of Prince having a lot of his band member and protege groups(black white other) were lots of make up and styles they might not outside of Prince

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #286 posted 09/07/17 12:35pm

PennyPurple

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

who are the women of color being dragged,

who are the men being emasculated?

Is the 'camp' talked about the 80s camp?

.

this is all done, I need more unreleased music.
I like the leaked stuff...

Jill, Apples, Robyn Power, Vanity and lately Sheila E. Just a few women of color who take a beating on this board. I never said anything about men being emasculated but associates of color especially women have been dogged on this board for years.

It's not just the women of color who take a beating on this board...so has Kim B. That arguement is getting old. Any woman he was with gets a beating here.


That's Kim B as in Basinger..

[Edited 9/7/17 16:52pm]

Reply #287 posted 09/07/17 12:38pm

PennyPurple

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

I have not dragged any of those women I mentioned. I will reply to your comment. Leave in La La land.

Laurarichardson. The one thing I can say about you is that you are an equal opportunity dragger..

.

I mean your comments about JJ having no pride and having sex with Prince in bathrooms is 'dragging'

.

who gets dragged here and other places? 1st mostly women. Race? no

.

Robyn Powers on this site is actually fun. I don't know how she get's dragged. I don't know what she actually has done in 'Prince' world that merits much acknowledgement. Cat hates being mistaken for her. Prince didn't care for Robin Power & the Uptown Dames. I suspect 1989-1990 was heavy transitional time for period. Not much worked during the GB period.

.

who get's dragged hmmm on this site JJ has always been celebrated and acknowledged.

.

Who get's dragged... Wendy Susannah Lisa Cat (not Gayle Chapman) Susan Rogers Mayte, not much about Sheila E outside of post April 2016(ya know all the cashing in and milking she's been accused of) 3rd Eye Girl Shelby, not Rhonda, not Katt Dayson, Cora D a little but that is mostly people not really liking her drumming. Andy Allo? Carmel Electra dragged? big time

.

Men Who get's dragged... Tony M (Larry Graham)... who else, not much, and I don't understand any emasculating outside of Prince having a lot of his band member and protege groups(black white other) wear lots of make up and styles they might not outside of Prince

Very rarely do we see the men start an uproar and a cyberwar, it's usually the females in P's life that do that.

Reply #288 posted 09/07/17 7:56pm

purplefam99

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



purplefam99 said:


i can see that the view of  "do it yourself, it's not my job"  is prevelant in the world.  i'm not 


targeting W&L specifically. i just think that if they (anyone who was around and could really help influence the matter) took a sec and said "hey how can we perphaps help


JJ get some laten credit, maybe we could speak to someone at WB and let them know how we feel


that she should get some sort of credit."   If people have done that sort of action then i have no beef


here.   it took all sorts of people who were not directly affected by jim crow to make things right,


it takes all sorts of people who were not directly affected by hurricane harvey to help make things


right, it takes people picking up others trash to make the world better. i believe we all with our tiny share can help in big ways.  i think doing positive actions shores up your bank of positive karma, puts


more positivity in the world than not.   i try to remember she is in grief and when we tire of someone's


pain so quickly we perhaps are loosing our humanity.  a second of heart felt meaningful empathy


goes a long way in quieting a child i am betting it would work on an adult too.  


 


#love4oneanother


[Edited 9/7/17 8:38am]



 


 


Again, would U? if someone from Sept 2016 onward started a cyberwar against you?


Karma... deals with Cause & Effect right?


.


And please stop with the Confederate / Jim Crow stuff, I mean that is just waaaay off


using Hurricane Harvey to reason with JJ not getting credit on a PR deluxe?


.


This kind of stuff happens to all people in the music industry.


Wendy Lisa & Susannah also did not get credit for stuff they worked on.
LOTS of people throught PRince career did not get credit, compensation etc for work they did with Prince from Jesse Johnson Susannah JJ Rosie Eric Leeds Levi Seacer jr


.


I suspect most of us feel 4 JJ and anyone else in a situation like this.  But there is still a way to go about it. Cyber attacks and rants are not the way.  I suspect, if that 2016 FB attack against the Revolution did not happen, the timeline of events would have been very different.  She probably would have been a guest singer on some Revolution shows etc I mean a lot of this viciousness among these female associates probably would not be so available if these grown women didn't act out this way.  Elise said some things she cannot take back, she might be able to make it right with Shelby and others, but the seed is already planted. She created a line of division.


 


 




Facebook Attack 2016 !!!!! Sounds like your making it pretty important much like Harvey!
Look you can care or not care about it the way you want. But if you don't care
do you care that some do?
[Edited 9/7/17 20:01pm]
Reply #289 posted 09/08/17 5:36am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

purplefam99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Again, would U? if someone from Sept 2016 onward started a cyberwar against you?

Karma... deals with Cause & Effect right?

.

And please stop with the Confederate / Jim Crow stuff, I mean that is just waaaay off

using Hurricane Harvey to reason with JJ not getting credit on a PR deluxe?

.

This kind of stuff happens to all people in the music industry.

Wendy Lisa & Susannah also did not get credit for stuff they worked on.
LOTS of people throught PRince career did not get credit, compensation etc for work they did with Prince from Jesse Johnson Susannah JJ Rosie Eric Leeds Levi Seacer jr

.

I suspect most of us feel 4 JJ and anyone else in a situation like this. But there is still a way to go about it. Cyber attacks and rants are not the way. I suspect, if that 2016 FB attack against the Revolution did not happen, the timeline of events would have been very different. She probably would have been a guest singer on some Revolution shows etc I mean a lot of this viciousness among these female associates probably would not be so available if these grown women didn't act out this way. Elise said some things she cannot take back, she might be able to make it right with Shelby and others, but the seed is already planted. She created a line of division.

Facebook Attack 2016 !!!!! Sounds like your making it pretty important much like Harvey! Look you can care or not care about it the way you want. But if you don't care do you care that some do? [Edited 9/7/17 20:01pm]

It is important, in a bad way.
It should not be happening this way.

It reminds me of people who wait till someone dies, goes to the funeral and then starts arguements and fights.

Or use the moment to bring up stuff, that should be either done in private or should have been talked about years ago.

.

I know someone whose father passed away and the older brother on the day of the funeral, passed out 3 page right ups on his younger brother, nieces and father, at the funeral. And he is a Doctor. He caused a rift that I don't think will ever be mended. My friend said she has not talked to him since that day (5yrs ago)

.

Purplefam99, I need you to not have a slanted opinion on my points. I'm not being black or white here. There is a grey area.

If there is anyone who championed JJ on the ORG, it is me, not all the people saying 'she should have her say' some of those same people, have barely acknowledged JJ over the years, or have said off handed things about her. A lot of people have lip service.

.

So I need you to read these post and tell me I don't care

show me your track record.

I'm not going to type over again what I've been saying all along

#3 8 11 41 42 44 66 73 80

.

and I need you to look at these threads, and tell me I don't care.

.

Prince & Jill Jones 1983-1985

Prince & Jill Jones 1989-1990

Jill Jones 1990-2000

.

and in every Album Era thread I've done, where she was in the camp, I've always highlighted her.

So my opinion is not skewered. My opinion is coming as a real fan of JJ. I've bought her music after she left the Prince camp. Most people here going 'team JJ' cannot even come close to me.

And know nothing about her. Some are just race baiters, or people who hate certain band members/proteges,and want her to act out a certain way 'for them' selfish people.

I'm thinking about her 'name' her brand, and how things look from a bigger picture.

Not to mention I've talked to her and we've emailed each other.

tumblr_oqjckjuCv21uajyc0o2_400.gif

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #290 posted 09/08/17 5:42am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

PennyPurple said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Laurarichardson. The one thing I can say about you is that you are an equal opportunity dragger..

.

I mean your comments about JJ having no pride and having sex with Prince in bathrooms is 'dragging'

.

who gets dragged here and other places? 1st mostly women. Race? no

.

Robyn Powers on this site is actually fun. I don't know how she get's dragged. I don't know what she actually has done in 'Prince' world that merits much acknowledgement. Cat hates being mistaken for her. Prince didn't care for Robin Power & the Uptown Dames. I suspect 1989-1990 was heavy transitional time for period. Not much worked during the GB period.

.

who get's dragged hmmm on this site JJ has always been celebrated and acknowledged.

.

Who get's dragged... Wendy Susannah Lisa Cat (not Gayle Chapman) Susan Rogers Mayte, not much about Sheila E outside of post April 2016(ya know all the cashing in and milking she's been accused of) 3rd Eye Girl Shelby, not Rhonda, not Katt Dayson, Cora D a little but that is mostly people not really liking her drumming. Andy Allo? Carmel Electra dragged? big time

.

Men Who get's dragged... Tony M (Larry Graham)... who else, not much, and I don't understand any emasculating outside of Prince having a lot of his band member and protege groups(black white other) wear lots of make up and styles they might not outside of Prince

Very rarely do we see the men start an uproar and a cyberwar, it's usually the females in P's life that do that.

Yep, and don't feed into it

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #291 posted 09/08/17 11:04am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

I have not dragged any of those women I mentioned. I will reply to your comment. Leave in La La land.

Laurarichardson. The one thing I can say about you is that you are an equal opportunity dragger..

.

I mean your comments about JJ having no pride and having sex with Prince in bathrooms is 'dragging'

.

who gets dragged here and other places? 1st mostly women. Race? no

.

Robyn Powers on this site is actually fun. I don't know how she get's dragged. I don't know what she actually has done in 'Prince' world that merits much acknowledgement. Cat hates being mistaken for her. Prince didn't care for Robin Power & the Uptown Dames. I suspect 1989-1990 was heavy transitional time for period. Not much worked during the GB period.

.

who get's dragged hmmm on this site JJ has always been celebrated and acknowledged.

.

Who get's dragged... Wendy Susannah Lisa Cat (not Gayle Chapman) Susan Rogers Mayte, not much about Sheila E outside of post April 2016(ya know all the cashing in and milking she's been accused of) 3rd Eye Girl Shelby, not Rhonda, not Katt Dayson, Cora D a little but that is mostly people not really liking her drumming. Andy Allo? no Carmel Electra dragged? big time

.

M Who get's dragged... Tony M (Larry Graham)... who else, not much, and I don't understand any emasculating outside of Prince having a lot of his band member and protege groups(black white other) were lots of make up and styles they might not outside of Prince

Did I not admit to dragging her for having sex in the bathroom. I have not changed my mind about it all.

Most of the women are women of color. He certainly was involved with white women.

Robyn had her threads closed on this site I know because I had to org note her. Cutting off her opportunity to speak is dragging not to mention all the negative comments from orgers.

I thought she was hysterical and weirdly enough it mostly men complaining.

Let me list the women who get dragged.

Andy- People thought she had no business on the stage with Prince at all.

Sheila E - lately

Cat-

Mayte - who brough on herself

Jill -

Vanity

Nona

Damaris

All women of color. I do not see men getting emasculated so much.

Reply #292 posted 09/08/17 11:47am

purplefam99

OldFriends4Sale said:

purplefam99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said: Facebook Attack 2016 !!!!! Sounds like your making it pretty important much like Harvey! Look you can care or not care about it the way you want. But if you don't care do you care that some do? [Edited 9/7/17 20:01pm]

It is important, in a bad way.
It should not be happening this way.

It reminds me of people who wait till someone dies, goes to the funeral and then starts arguements and fights.

Or use the moment to bring up stuff, that should be either done in private or should have been talked about years ago.

.

I know someone whose father passed away and the older brother on the day of the funeral, passed out 3 page right ups on his younger brother, nieces and father, at the funeral. And he is a Doctor. He caused a rift that I don't think will ever be mended. My friend said she has not talked to him since that day (5yrs ago)

.

Purplefam99, I need you to not have a slanted opinion on my points. I'm not being black or white here. There is a grey area.

If there is anyone who championed JJ on the ORG, it is me, not all the people saying 'she should have her say' some of those same people, have barely acknowledged JJ over the years, or have said off handed things about her. A lot of people have lip service.

.

So I need you to read these post and tell me I don't care

show me your track record.

I'm not going to type over again what I've been saying all along

#3 8 11 41 42 44 66 73 80

.

and I need you to look at these threads, and tell me I don't care.

.

Prince & Jill Jones 1983-1985

Prince & Jill Jones 1989-1990

Jill Jones 1990-2000

.

and in every Album Era thread I've done, where she was in the camp, I've always highlighted her.

So my opinion is not skewered. My opinion is coming as a real fan of JJ. I've bought her music after she left the Prince camp. Most people here going 'team JJ' cannot even come close to me.

And know nothing about her. Some are just race baiters, or people who hate certain band members/proteges,and want her to act out a certain way 'for them' selfish people.

I'm thinking about her 'name' her brand, and how things look from a bigger picture.

Not to mention I've talked to her and we've emailed each other.

tumblr_oqjckjuCv21uajyc0o2_400.gif

OF4S, I never said or meant to give the impression that i think you don't care, it seems as though

you may not appreciate the level to which others do. there is no way for me to show you my track

record. i am not in a race here with anyone to be the best, or know the most. if this org is open to all

and you want to keep it alive it has to be accepted that there will be fans who join here when they

want and they may very well be fans who have been around from the beginning too, even if they were not here on the org. i'm not here for a race or to prove my eligiblity, it didn't say i needed to do that

to be a member.

i am here to be among people, who loved prince and his music, and to speak my feelings and to try to

be as honest as i can. Not to be an expert or to pull purple cards on anyone or to take theirs away.

i know you care, but it is ok for others to have variying degrees of care on a topic. we don't have to be all at the same level. on some threads i find commonality among people that on other threads

perhaps not. i am not exited about how it seems if someone is disagreed with in one place it

spillsover everywhere. that is just how it seems perhaps that isn't the case, these are just typed words so maybe they are said with heavenly sweet voices that often include cursing. in anycase

i'm choosing to see and think the best when i read, if i wonder i'll ask. It is all pretty grey indeed.

Reply #293 posted 09/08/17 11:58am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

purplefam99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

It is important, in a bad way.
It should not be happening this way.

It reminds me of people who wait till someone dies, goes to the funeral and then starts arguements and fights.

Or use the moment to bring up stuff, that should be either done in private or should have been talked about years ago.

.

I know someone whose father passed away and the older brother on the day of the funeral, passed out 3 page right ups on his younger brother, nieces and father, at the funeral. And he is a Doctor. He caused a rift that I don't think will ever be mended. My friend said she has not talked to him since that day (5yrs ago)

.

Purplefam99, I need you to not have a slanted opinion on my points. I'm not being black or white here. There is a grey area.

If there is anyone who championed JJ on the ORG, it is me, not all the people saying 'she should have her say' some of those same people, have barely acknowledged JJ over the years, or have said off handed things about her. A lot of people have lip service.

.

So I need you to read these post and tell me I don't care

show me your track record.

I'm not going to type over again what I've been saying all along

#3 8 11 41 42 44 66 73 80

.

and I need you to look at these threads, and tell me I don't care.

.

Prince & Jill Jones 1983-1985

Prince & Jill Jones 1989-1990

Jill Jones 1990-2000

.

and in every Album Era thread I've done, where she was in the camp, I've always highlighted her.

So my opinion is not skewered. My opinion is coming as a real fan of JJ. I've bought her music after she left the Prince camp. Most people here going 'team JJ' cannot even come close to me.

And know nothing about her. Some are just race baiters, or people who hate certain band members/proteges,and want her to act out a certain way 'for them' selfish people.

I'm thinking about her 'name' her brand, and how things look from a bigger picture.

Not to mention I've talked to her and we've emailed each other.

tumblr_oqjckjuCv21uajyc0o2_400.gif

OF4S, I never said or meant to give the impression that i think you don't care, it seems as though

you may not appreciate the level to which others do. there is no way for me to show you my track

record. i am not in a race here with anyone to be the best, or know the most. if this org is open to all

and you want to keep it alive it has to be accepted that there will be fans who join here when they

want and they may very well be fans who have been around from the beginning too, even if they were not here on the org. i'm not here for a race or to prove my eligiblity, it didn't say i needed to do that

to be a member.

i am here to be among people, who loved prince and his music, and to speak my feelings and to try to

be as honest as i can. Not to be an expert or to pull purple cards on anyone or to take theirs away.

i know you care, but it is ok for others to have variying degrees of care on a topic. we don't have to be all at the same level. on some threads i find commonality among people that on other threads

perhaps not. i am not exited about how it seems if someone is disagreed with in one place it

spillsover everywhere. that is just how it seems perhaps that isn't the case, these are just typed words so maybe they are said with heavenly sweet voices that often include cursing. in anycase

i'm choosing to see and think the best when i read, if i wonder i'll ask. It is all pretty grey indeed.

look,

purplefam99 said : But if you don't care, do you care that some do?

That is why I posted what I did. A bunch that say they do, don't, I have a track recorded of caring before all this went dow, and in the midst of it.

That wasn't directed at you.

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #294 posted 09/08/17 12:37pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Laurarichardson. The one thing I can say about you is that you are an equal opportunity dragger..

.

I mean your comments about JJ having no pride and having sex with Prince in bathrooms is 'dragging'

.

who gets dragged here and other places? 1st mostly women. Race? no

.

Robyn Powers on this site is actually fun. I don't know how she get's dragged. I don't know what she actually has done in 'Prince' world that merits much acknowledgement. Cat hates being mistaken for her. Prince didn't care for Robin Power & the Uptown Dames. I suspect 1989-1990 was heavy transitional time for period. Not much worked during the GB period.

.

who get's dragged hmmm on this site JJ has always been celebrated and acknowledged.

.

Who get's dragged... Wendy Susannah Lisa Cat (not Gayle Chapman) Susan Rogers Mayte, not much about Sheila E outside of post April 2016(ya know all the cashing in and milking she's been accused of) 3rd Eye Girl Shelby, not Rhonda, not Katt Dayson, Cora D a little but that is mostly people not really liking her drumming. Andy Allo? no Carmel Electra dragged? big time

.

M Who get's dragged... Tony M (Larry Graham)... who else, not much, and I don't understand any emasculating outside of Prince having a lot of his band member and protege groups(black white other) were lots of make up and styles they might not outside of Prince

Did I not admit to dragging her for having sex in the bathroom. I have not changed my mind about it all.

Most of the women are women of color. He certainly was involved with white women.

Robyn had her threads closed on this site I know because I had to org note her. Cutting off her opportunity to speak is dragging not to mention all the negative comments from orgers.

I thought she was hysterical and weirdly enough it mostly men complaining.

Let me list the women who get dragged.

Andy- People thought she had no business on the stage with Prince at all.

Sheila E - lately

Cat-

Mayte - who brough on herself

Jill -

Vanity

Nona

Damaris

All women of color. I do not see men getting emasculated so much.

Prince was about Prince 1st and foremost.
.
Levi didn't get paid, and Eric didn't get paid

Rosie Gaines said he skipped out on her not getting credited for work
Wendy or Lisa said he skipped out on getting credited for work

Musicians, photographers, videographers, singers etc all varying backgrounds

.

Just because Robyn had her threads closed had nothing to do with 'race'
I think Robyn is entertaining, I also liked to get what info I could about her time with Prince

BUT we also know Robyn comes here to promote Robyn, and Robyn posts things that are X rated.
That is usually why Robyn Power threads get shut down. If a member created a thread about Robin Power and the Uptown Dames etc it doesn't get closed down.

http://prince.org/msg/5/432708?&pg=2
.
So again that is another example of people creating a race issue where there is none whatsoever.

.

People (black white other) felt Andy had no business, not because she was BIRACIAL, but because she couldn't even play the guitar she held up there most of the time. People went to bat for the NPG ie Shelby J when Prince put them behind Andy Allo. People didn't dislike Andy, most people thought she was pretty and liked seeing them together. But the issues was 'Prince putting up another pretty face' NOT RACE

.

SHEILA E LATELY was it race or was it accusation of Sheila MILKING and Cashing In? If there was a race issue with Mexican/Creole Sheila e then it would have been an issue prior to April 2016. You know it has nothing to do with race. People sighed at her allowing the label 'Prince's fiance'


.U know every associate who had something to say, showed a picture, said they were friends or lovers got 'side eyed' by fans after April 2016

.

Lisa Coleman is 1/2 Mexican 1/2 German so maybe that is why you drag her.

.

Mayte ok. And by your own admission, has nothing to do with her being Puerto Rican with a African-grandmother. You know the reaction (mostly female fans) were having with Mayte was their fantasy love affair with Prince, and 'why is she acting upset they were divorced 20yrs ago etc' and then she wrote a book. NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE BUT who are the people coming after Mayte? I bet a whole lot of them are of African-American ancestry. Who do you think is behind the 'Anti Mayte/Mayte Lies' crapsite? Yep

.

When and were oh where does Vanity get 'dragged' ... not even going into that one. She was gone when Prince passed away.

.

Jill Jones, has ALWAYS been supported and appreciated on the org. prior to April 2016. you are the only person who I've read that 'dragged her'. ie "She can't sing anyway so I don't know if she would have had this great carreer." and "Jill is just another Bimbo." JJ came under fire because of her rants. She put it out there, and like Mayte, and anyone else know or should know their will be backlash. People also came after JJ because of her post 2016 rants against Prince like agreeing with Sinead OConner that prince was abusive.

Is Jill dragging Kirk?

.

Nona Gaye who said she would never forgive Prince some years ago. How does Nona get dragged. She said nothing since Prince passed that I know of.

.

Damaris get's comments because 1. she can't dance

.

Wendy Melvoin get's dragged on the org all the time

Susannah Melvoin get's dragged all the time

Susan Rogers get's 'dragged'
.
Appollonia only in connection with Vanity. And recently with the fantasy husband thing and being low going after Mayte.

.

Rhonda get's love

.

3rd Eye Girls 1. White Southern America Hanna get's dragged, 1. not a tight enough drummer 2. being Christian

2. Donna (Greek Canadian)

3. Ida (Danish)

Yes 3rd Eye Girl got dragged

.

Not directly an associate: Sinead Oconner get's no love on the org, people love Chaka Khan people love Joni Mitchell.
.
People don't care as much for Larry Graham because of the religion stuff, not race.

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #295 posted 09/08/17 2:13pm

purplefam99

OldFriends4Sale said:

purplefam99 said:

OF4S, I never said or meant to give the impression that i think you don't care, it seems as though

you may not appreciate the level to which others do. there is no way for me to show you my track

record. i am not in a race here with anyone to be the best, or know the most. if this org is open to all

and you want to keep it alive it has to be accepted that there will be fans who join here when they

want and they may very well be fans who have been around from the beginning too, even if they were not here on the org. i'm not here for a race or to prove my eligiblity, it didn't say i needed to do that

to be a member.

i am here to be among people, who loved prince and his music, and to speak my feelings and to try to

be as honest as i can. Not to be an expert or to pull purple cards on anyone or to take theirs away.

i know you care, but it is ok for others to have variying degrees of care on a topic. we don't have to be all at the same level. on some threads i find commonality among people that on other threads

perhaps not. i am not exited about how it seems if someone is disagreed with in one place it

spillsover everywhere. that is just how it seems perhaps that isn't the case, these are just typed words so maybe they are said with heavenly sweet voices that often include cursing. in anycase

i'm choosing to see and think the best when i read, if i wonder i'll ask. It is all pretty grey indeed.

look,

purplefam99 said : But if you don't care, do you care that some do?

That is why I posted what I did. A bunch that say they do, don't, I have a track recorded of caring before all this went dow, and in the midst of it.

That wasn't directed at you.

ahhh yes clarification is in order. i meant don't care about her issue to the extent that others

might, not at all meaning to say that you don't care about her as a artist or person and/or her situation, just not

to the same degree/extent as others may. like i care about P's music being released but not to the extent that others do, but i don't try to convince them that their extent is wrongfully placed. Their

level of passion about the music release issue is their level. i not going to blast them cause they

keep to their position on it.

and i was just asking not at all trying to be tacky. if i had cause to be more direct i would

take it to orgnotes with whomever. Best. if you and i need to go on anymore we can also org note it. smile

Reply #296 posted 09/08/17 9:39pm

Strawberrylova123

laurarichardson said:

 



OldFriends4Sale said:


 



laurarichardson said:


 


I have not dragged any of those  women I mentioned. I will reply to your comment. Leave in La La land. 



 


Laurarichardson. The one thing I can say about you is that you are an equal opportunity dragger..


.


I mean your comments about JJ having no pride and having sex with Prince in bathrooms is 'dragging'


.


who gets dragged here and other places? 1st mostly women. Race? no


.


Robyn Powers on this site is actually fun. I don't know how she get's dragged. I don't know what she actually has done in 'Prince' world that merits much acknowledgement.  Cat hates being mistaken for her.  Prince didn't care for Robin Power & the Uptown Dames.  I suspect 1989-1990 was heavy transitional time for period. Not much worked during the GB period.


.


who get's dragged hmmm on this site JJ has always been celebrated and acknowledged.


.


Who get's dragged... Wendy Susannah Lisa Cat (not Gayle Chapman) Susan Rogers Mayte, not much about Sheila E outside of post April 2016(ya know all the cashing in and milking she's been accused of) 3rd Eye Girl Shelby, not Rhonda, not Katt Dayson, Cora D a little but that is mostly people not really liking her drumming.  Andy Allo? no Carmel Electra dragged? big time


.


M Who get's dragged... Tony M (Larry Graham)... who else, not much, and I don't understand any emasculating outside of Prince having a lot of his band member and protege groups(black white other) were lots of make up and styles they might not outside of Prince


 


 



Did I not admit to dragging her for having sex in the bathroom. I have not changed my  mind about it all. 


 


Most of the women are women of color. He certainly was involved with white women. 


 


Robyn had her threads closed on this site I know because I had to org note her. Cutting off her opportunity to speak is dragging not to mention all the negative comments from orgers. 


I thought she was hysterical and weirdly enough it mostly men complaining. 


 


Let me list the women who get dragged. 


 


Andy- People thought she had no business on the stage with Prince at all. 


 


Sheila E - lately 


 


Cat- 


 


Mayte - who brough on herself


 


Jill - 


 


Vanity 


 


Nona 


 


Damaris 


 


All women of color.  I do not see men getting emasculated so much. 


 


 


I'm confused..sex in a bathroom???
Reply #297 posted 09/09/17 8:56am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Strawberrylova123 said:

laurarichardson said:

Did I not admit to dragging her for having sex in the bathroom. I have not changed my mind about it all.

Most of the women are women of color. He certainly was involved with white women.

Robyn had her threads closed on this site I know because I had to org note her. Cutting off her opportunity to speak is dragging not to mention all the negative comments from orgers.

I thought she was hysterical and weirdly enough it mostly men complaining.

Let me list the women who get dragged.

Andy- People thought she had no business on the stage with Prince at all.

Sheila E - lately

Cat-

Mayte - who brough on herself

Jill -

Vanity

Nona

Damaris

All women of color. I do not see men getting emasculated so much.

I'm confused..sex in a bathroom???

http://prince.org/msg/5/53632 post #24

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #298 posted 09/09/17 1:58pm

Strawberrylova123

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



Strawberrylova123 said:


laurarichardson said:

 


Did I not admit to dragging her for having sex in the bathroom. I have not changed my  mind about it all. 


 


Most of the women are women of color. He certainly was involved with white women. 


 


Robyn had her threads closed on this site I know because I had to org note her. Cutting off her opportunity to speak is dragging not to mention all the negative comments from orgers. 


I thought she was hysterical and weirdly enough it mostly men complaining. 


 


Let me list the women who get dragged. 


 


Andy- People thought she had no business on the stage with Prince at all. 


 


Sheila E - lately 


 


Cat- 


 


Mayte - who brough on herself


 


Jill - 


 


Vanity 


 


Nona 


 


Damaris 


 


All women of color.  I do not see men getting emasculated so much. 


 


 



I'm confused..sex in a bathroom???

 


 


http://prince.org/msg/5/53632 post #24


 


Gross!! Nothing but gossip!
Reply #299 posted 09/11/17 5:47am

laurarichardson

Strawberrylova123 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

http://prince.org/msg/5/53632 post #24

Gross!! Nothing but gossip!

Actually it came from the previous owner of the First Avenue club when explaining how Prince started to act like it was his nightclub. I doubt it is gossip and Jill herself posted the story about the two of them being awoken by her stepdad while they were in parked in Prince's car in her parents driveway.

She is the one talking about how it was hot in the car.

There are other stories about Prince doing in his limos and cars that I will not go into.

Funny how on that thread everyone is talking about how classy she was for not talking about their relationship and now she is talking. Oh I still think having sex in a public bathroom is gross.

Bathrooms in general are germ fest. Makes no difference that it was Jill and Prince.

Reply #300 posted 09/17/17 10:13am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Ok

I'm 99.9% done with this whole thing.

.

I don't know if JJ bought the PR Deluxe and had access to the actually booklett with notes, but here is another example of people taking advantage of her sensitive space and doing/saying things to get her riled up and taking advantage of her for their own selfish socialpathic purposes. I wonder how many people here saying 'Go Jill' even looked into this to see if there is any grounds? My guess is no.

.

1. (In the Kitchen) Can someone tell me where did anyone refer to Jill Jones as being (In the Kitchen) as far as the recordings go??

.

Now look at how it this whole thing was spun into a racial crap fest?

.

Nothing in the booklet disparaged Jill Jones at all. The credits parts was all over the place, just like Prince had it originally in 1984. I mean JJ wasn't the only one not included on certain songs, so was David Coleman not included on We Can Fuck. And who is the woman on the Time's Ice Cream Castles that I've never seen or heard of?
I'm thinking everyone bitching about this haven't even taken the time to read the booklett, much less own the PR deluxe. Maybe they are a bunch of moaners who refused to even buy it as a 'protest' against the family and Estate.

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Ok here we go

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page 5

"Wait Till The Fans Hear This"
Audio engineer Susan Rogers on recording Purple Rain

(for all those who don't have it, they only talked about the soundtrack songs and some ATWIAD songs)

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Moving tape machine from the driveway back into his home studio, it falls. My instinct to protect equipment kicks in (literally) and I brace the fall with my foot, breaking a toe. In Prince's kitchen the next morning Jill Jones asks, "What happened to your foot?" "I dropped Prince's wallet on it." I reply.
He laughs. "I like that. That's sexy."
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Ok let's review. Susan Rogers is talking about a day/night when she was at Prince house to do further work on Let's Go Crazy. That morning Jill Jones asks Susan what happened to her foot.
They are all in the kitchen at Prince's house.
Someone please tell me how this is some racial erasing of (women of color/black women) and any kind of slight to Jill Jones? This had nothing to do with credits. This was just Susan Rogers talking about something that happened to her, a little fun episode, and Jill Jones was with Prince in his kitchen that morning. Um that sounds like a + for JJ in that possibly she spent the night with Prince or came over that morning for breakfast or to get a day started, maybe do some vocal recording.

How did this turn into a racial protest?

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If you read the next page(6) Susan Rogers talks about liking to bake. And it is here talking about cooking for Prince 'scrambled eggs and hot chocolate around dawn' I like to bake and he had a sweet tooth, so he would, on rare occasions, drop a large hint that hot chocolate made the old fashioned way, with scalded milk, cocoa and sugar, would hit the spot.

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hmmm that is about Susan Rogers(European-American & (lesbian)) in Prince's house/kitchen serving him.

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on to the next section

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FEARLESSLY BREATHE IN THE...

PURPLE RAIN

The Revolution Track -By- Track

(for all those who don't have it, they only talked about the soundtrack songs)

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proceed to page 4

THE BEAUTIFUL ONES

Brownmark: The ballads were hard for me because when we were recording them I would almost tfall asleep or be in the kitchen somewhere. I would hear what they were doing and play my bass one-handed and make sure I hit the notes.

If anyone remembers Brownmark in the few interviews he's done in the past, he talked about rehearsals that went for hours or into the night or early morning and how he would walk his bass to the kitchen and fix himself a sandwich.

Brownmark in the kitchen, not Jill Jones.


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proceed to page 8

BABY I'M A StAR
Lisa:I remember going into Sunset Sound to record background vocals for it after we had recorded it live. We were adding a couple of parts, and Jill Jones and I were at the mic singing the chorus parts, "Staaaaaaaar Wooo!" And for some reason, we had an uncontrollable giggle attack. We tried to keep singing, but by the last set of choruses we were crying, fully hysterical. Prince was really annoyed and begged us to get it together on the talk back: "Come on! STOP IT!" But we couldn't! I think you can hear the difference in the background vocals at the end. It's all Prince because Jill and I ran outside, never to be seen again.

Ok here we have another example of memories and feelings of a song. Where Lisa Coleman talks about her and JJ singing on Baby I'm A Star, most of us not even knowing until this moment that JJ and Lisa came in to do some extra vocals. She didn't talk about JJ being in the kitchen, she didn't talk about JJ in any disparaging way. This is not the words of someone who has it out for JJ or wants to erase her from musical memory.

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page 4 of the thanks/credits of the soundtrack as is in the 1984 version

All thanks 2 God - the light

Lisa & Wendy, Bobby, Mark & Matt - the Revolution

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Apollonia 6:Susan Brenda & Apollonia - patience, wisdom & beauty

Jill - love

God - 4 the rainbow

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Thank u all - may u live 2 see the Dawn

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#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
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Reply #301 posted 09/24/17 7:38am

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rdhull said:

jaawwnn said:

You'll notice Lisa has no problem mentioning Jill singing backing vocals when talking about Baby I'm a Star even though Jill is not credited officially on that one either. Well also because she says it's "all prince" I guess lol

[Edited 9/5/17 12:42pm]

Ive always thought it was Wendy doing the backwards masking on that one but now thinking about it, the 'tone' seems like Jills.

No Lisa explained it was She and Jill doing extra vocal work on the song. Not the backward masking

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In

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