GeniusLuv said:

I think his debilitating physical pain coupled with his deep sadness and emotional pain over her dying cuz like he said now it was time for ''a new story'' was really just the beginning of the end for him....

I really believe that. The crippling pain, the fentanyl addiction (thats what we know now)and her loss (same day as his moms too) must have just really brought him closer to the end?? Remember, the week before, he od'ed and had to be revived...maybe he just didn't have the fight in him anymore to go on

Well said. I completely agree. One would think that od'ing and being brought back would be a wake up call. But chronic, debilitating pain and addiction are hard things to battle. Add to that her passing, and it was all just probably too much. Keep thinking about his Twitter comment that said he was "transformed". I don't know if it was before the emergency landing or after that he posted that, but if it were after, I wonder...I often hear some patients speak of "crossing over", "seeing the white light and feeling so at peace" only to be brought back and they all say they feel different. Some happy for the second chance at life, others wishing they could have continued "toward the light". I don't know, but just makes me wonder--perhaps he had the "white light/peaceful/pain free" experience. Being that close to death would have to be transforming--either motivating one to continue on this journey or make one eager/at peace with transitioning to the next. We'll never know, just glad he is no longer in pain and can rest. Denise as well. My romantic heart chooses to believe they have moved on to a new story in a new place.

Purpl4ever said:

30yearfan said:

purplegirl00 said:

One song I wonder about was WDC. I know it's been said, in one of those books, that it was about Susan Moonsie. It could be since she was one of those women Prince was with, but in that song, when Prince says, "how could you just leave me standing, alone in a world so cold?" Susan Moonsie hung around the Prince camp for a while, no? I don't think she left him "standing". Again, I could be wrong but it's very fitting for Vanity leaving him. In the song he also says, "maybe you're just like my mother, she's never satisfied". Vanity left because she was not OK, satisfied with Prince's behavior both in business matters and personal-his sexcapades with the others. Again, I could be WAY wrong. If I am, I'll eat crow.

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I'm glad someone finally mentioned WDC. I have always thought this song was about Vanity. The lyrics are obvious since she left him but I think the real key to his intentions is the video (which he directed himself). In the video when he sings the part "how can you just leave me standing alone in a world that so cold" he is singing into the mirror. He does the same when he says "why do we scream at each other". The mirror is obviously Vanity. Also if you look at the end of the video, the entire video becomes a mirror. He has the split screen image where he is inside the mirror. Prince's music has so many layers to it. It is easy to miss it if you look on the surface only.

Great observation. Wow. When you said "He was in the mirror" during those verses, I knew. He always said she was like his mirror image.... Hi everyone, I have been reading these threads since he left us. It has helped me cope with the loss of him. But truly all the facts and conclusions about his and Denise's undying love has given me so much LIFE!!! Thank you all. I love it. And I believe that she was the only one for him. And just as he promised him his song to her (Adore) Until the end of time, he was there for her.

RachB65 said:

Purpl4ever said:

Well said. I completely agree. One would think that od'ing and being brought back would be a wake up call. But chronic, debilitating pain and addiction are hard things to battle. Add to that her passing, and it was all just probably too much. Keep thinking about his Twitter comment that said he was "transformed". I don't know if it was before the emergency landing or after that he posted that, but if it were after, I wonder...I often hear some patients speak of "crossing over", "seeing the white light and feeling so at peace" only to be brought back and they all say they feel different. Some happy for the second chance at life, others wishing they could have continued "toward the light". I don't know, but just makes me wonder--perhaps he had the "white light/peaceful/pain free" experience. Being that close to death would have to be transforming--either motivating one to continue on this journey or make one eager/at peace with transitioning to the next. We'll never know, just glad he is no longer in pain and can rest. Denise as well. My romantic heart chooses to believe they have moved on to a new story in a new place.

I just wanna point out, once again, that tweet was a 'retweet'(copy n paste) from one of his fans tweets to him.. [Edited 6/7/16 5:06am]

Yes, RachB65, thanks for pointing that out. It was hashed out in a whole other thread.

wizardtelly said:

I like to believe that Prince loved many women very deeply. I do believe he had love in the latter years of his life, but for privacy sake of others who are grieving, I won't diverge into my thoughts on whom and why I believe so. However, I completely in my heart and soul believe that he never got over Denise Matthews, not one bit. I am sure I love a good story dealing with love, but they were fire and ice. I was not around to witness the pair, I am 23, but seeing it makes so much more sense as to why he was the way he became after that time. I am not comparing his love for Mayte, especially because her fans get very upset and start irrelevant arguments about who he loved more. I think he wanted Denise so badly, and refused to give his lifestyle of womanizing up. She, heavily into drugs with Nikki, and Prince trying to run for her love at every opportunity. I think it was a deep love, two people who were abused who found a healthy affinity for each other and a comfort deeper than just vanity, which is quite funny because that was the name she kept. What she was looking for, she found deeply in Prince, and him her. I am unsure what to make of it. I find him very interesting, because after she gave her life to Christianity, he almost continued to lure her in and almost possess her with the deviantly sexual/metaphorically religious songs. Her moaning on "Orgasm", he chose to use that sample of her from Vibrator. Yes, it is noted in this post that he was doing it to help her through financial hardship, oddly, but look deeper at that. He knew that the love he was giving her and the love she was giving him back then, especially sexually was enough to stay in her memory. It seems as though he was trying to possess her, reel her back in to him. I am unsure how to explain, but for a sexual song, it actually sounds more touching than does dirty. He recorded that tune and could have done another with other parts of her vocals, but he chose that. "Keep going, keep going, come, come" was like he was reliving the memory of them recording that. I do believe, but what do I know? (nothing, bared in mind), that her death had a tumultuous effect on him. It is ironic that they passed so close together, perhaps it was their fate. I am not sure what to make of it, but I think he loved her more than he loved any woman before her, and he stayed through marriages and evolved through marriages, bandages of women, lust, muses, but I don't think she ever left him. They definitely communicated via his music in the 90s, he was responding to her and what he saw her life become. He mirrored that in a way, and I think he looked up to her as she became the woman that she was destined to be, and him the man he was destined to be through faith. People say Mayte is his true love, but I think it was apparent to many of us, and hose who actually know him, that Denise had a place in his heart that never quite left. He was chasing her like a memory on an escape train, when you think about it. He still knew she was the finest woman in his world, and how oddly she knew too. He got with younger women after her, I think to keep up the excitement of youth that he had so well, but I think it hit him that he could not grow old into a man with Denise. I think it worked out for the best though, because they were fatal for each other when they were younger alive. Him, in love and not understanding, controlling, broken, arrogant, and womanizing, and she broken, fire, and in love.but in death, they are perfect for each other, because their duties of being servants was done. Denise wished for a supernatural meeting and I believe that wherever their souls are, it is together. He waited in vain for her love for a long time, I think, and I believe at his age, and through her death; he realized it more. Prince for the first time, looked back. She was the piece of the puzzle that he couldn't ever position correctly in his life because she kept moving on, and he kept moving on looking for others pieces, but they were flawed. I think it is safe to say that Prince and Vanity were meant to be, even through distance. Their parallel lives. I know she was happy for him, and wished him very well in life, I think for a while Prince resented her, and did everything to rub it in her face until he realized: she was always for him, and happy to see him become a father and a man of more substance than just that of his identity. Sad they never created together, but it was meant to be that in death, they are together again. It is strange, I think his mirrored reflection died and he realized that it was just him alone now, all these years he has been trying to keep up with her, and his "vanity"? Just gone. Otherwise, how can we explain them passing so shortly and next to eachOther? I guess we will never know, but, I know they loved eachOther, and depressed he probably was internally. Rip Prince & "Vanity" aka Denise Matthews, may your love and souls be free and eternal together 😢 [Edited 5/20/16 7:16am] [Edited 5/20/16 7:21am]

Wow, this is so beautiful. Nicely written. Well done.

wizardtelly said:

I think it is just the way we have chosen to grieve. We may never really know the full truth between Prince and anyone he was romantically involved with like either of his wives, Denise, and so on. But, I must say it brings about some closure. I notice many Mayte supporters on both the forum and Instagram, Twitter, and so on consistently bash these ideas and furthermore call people analyzing or wondering pathetic, or "trolls" which is pretty sad. Prince shaped the lives of many of us so in some way we must wonder about his life. There are courses in universities dedicated to the lives of artists, there are films, documentaries, dissertations, and more which analyze important artistic figures. I think we are being as respectful as possible because we note repetitively that Prince is not someone that many of us had the pleasure of meeting or having significance in his life. I think this strikes an importance because of the context and the man behind the vanity that he was searching for. Yes, he was music, but one must ask: what was it behind the music that made you and shaped you? It is quite a shame, I find, seeing many Mayte supporters angry at this and expressing hateful opinions on a lot of these threads that are focusing on his life/music during and after and before that time. I have been grieving because I always wished to play in his band, I thought it was possible because he had an eye for young talent. More or less, this thread makes a lot of sense and I would love to learn more, hear more insights. There have got to be reasons why Morris Day, and others who knew him pair them together even in their ends.

Exactly, well said and spot on. Thank you.

Have found another Vanity "mirror" video -

Eye Hate U (1995) - Opening shot is Mayte laying down with one leg in the air and she's reflected in a mirror. Looks like it's another one inspired by Vanity.

See:

http://prince.org/msg/7/426877

and Reply #2185, Pg 73 of this thread for other examples.

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I found this by Fiona3000 https://www.youtube.com/w...sgHWXTba78 I don't know how accurate it is on this take of Vaniy and Prince's relationship. But it is intresting, at the moment there is only part 1 and part 2. What do u think?

That was great Goddess..i had scene part 1 only...part 2 was really good, i knew the Purple Rain story was more about her than Prince, i even mentioned here how the parents in the movie were her story, not his...white mother, black father...he wrote the movie with her AND about her!!!!! I also always suspected when doves cry was about them too! THANX!

GeniusLuv said:

That was great Goddess..i had scene part 1 only...part 2 was really good, i knew the Purple Rain story was more about her than Prince, i even mentioned here how the parents in the movie were her story, not his...white mother, black father...he wrote the movie with her AND about her!!!!! I also always suspected when doves cry was about them too! THANX!

And The Beautiful Ones

Lyrically, the concept of "space and time" appears repeatedly in Prince's work with reference to songs that have been written for & dedicated to Denise/Vanity. eg. Adore (1987) "until the end of time I'll be there for you".

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These lyrics refer to the notion of a very deep, profound, romantic love - it's one that's neverending and transcends this realm/lifetime (ie. a past, present and future preordained connection). You'll see it repeatedly in songs he's clearly written for her. It's a very common theme and would appear to signify that a song relates to her.

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Further, if you truly buy into this belief of a transcendent romantic love about/for another person, it becomes irrelevant the path you walk together in this lifetime because in the greater scheme of things you'll always be together.

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This also means you can be very loving and forgiving towards your 'transcendent romantic love' and look beyond all sorts of situations/mistakes/problems that other people who view the world differently may struggle with. You'll just view whatever happens as part of your shared journey - your growth and development towards a deeper love with them through and beyond this lifetime.

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This would appear to explain why the 'mirror theme' exists with his videos, why he appears to be writing about her throughout his lifetime and why in essence she appears to be his muse.

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For examples of songs Prince has written/dedicated to Vanity/Denise including the history around Adore and also songs that appear to be inspired by her (Vanity's 'mirror' theme) see:

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http://prince.org/msg/7/426877

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and Reply #2185, Pg 73 of this thread for other examples.

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benni said:

The symbolism in Prince's music and artistry went much deeper than being about a woman. Even Prince himself said fans often get it wrong, trying to make his music about this or that, when he was actually singing about God.

is this in an interview you could direct me to? i've been thinking the past few years that most of the songs are about the romance between God and humanity, ultimately, but muses were the mirror through which his imagination interacted with God. He's like, a museomancer, women being the main source of reflections through which he learned from God. And Vanity was the first one he named "mirror." If a given prince song involving a man and a woman relationship really means that the man is God and the woman is prince, then a muse's passing symbolically means that Prince passes.

it does seem like though that, in the end, prince maybe wanted us to think that his illness was connected to vanity. maybe it was a mystery until she passed, him always wondering, is she really the one or does she just remind me of the one i'm still looking for? but her passing put the final piece in the puzzle. if it had been another muse that passed, though, perhaps he would have acted similarly, but it's so symbolic that his first "mirror" was the first to pass.

sorry, i was trying to find the post again about the purple rain parents actually representing vanity's parents. thank you whoever said that, i was like, doh! that makes so much funkin sense now, i cried.

sorry, theres been 50 new pages of this thread since i last checked, hope to have time to read it all some day

PURplEMaPLeSyrup said:

benni said:

The symbolism in Prince's music and artistry went much deeper than being about a woman. Even Prince himself said fans often get it wrong, trying to make his music about this or that, when he was actually singing about God.

is this in an interview you could direct me to? i've been thinking the past few years that most of the songs are about the romance between God and humanity, ultimately, but muses were the mirror through which his imagination interacted with God. He's like, a museomancer, women being the main source of reflections through which he learned from God. And Vanity was the first one he named "mirror." If a given prince song involving a man and a woman relationship really means that the man is God and the woman is prince, then a muse's passing symbolically means that Prince passes.

it does seem like though that, in the end, prince maybe wanted us to think that his illness was connected to vanity. maybe it was a mystery until she passed, him always wondering, is she really the one or does she just remind me of the one i'm still looking for? but her passing put the final piece in the puzzle. if it had been another muse that passed, though, perhaps he would have acted similarly, but it's so symbolic that his first "mirror" was the first to pass.

sorry, i was trying to find the post again about the purple rain parents actually representing vanity's parents. thank you whoever said that, i was like, doh! that makes so much funkin sense now, i cried.

sorry, theres been 50 new pages of this thread since i last checked, hope to have time to read it all some day

I agree what you said is how I felt once he passed so close to Denise/Vanity- her death

GeniusLuv said:

Here is the latest Beyonce tribute to Vanity 6 in Hershey, Pennsylvania https://www.instagram.com...mf7q3u2Cm/

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GhostChick said:

Thanks to SkyBlue from LSA here is another pic with Prince and Vanity from the 1983 Grammys, there has gotta be more of these!

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well where the hell is she

pnv said:

GhostChick said:

I think he loved Vanity at the time and that's that. I think he always had a love for her BUT I don't think he was still in love with her for all these years. I think Denise wanted to reconnect because she pretty much was concerned about his soul, and others in the band as well, once she had her full conversion. I think that Prince "loved" all these women at one time; whether it was Vanity or Susannah, Mayte, or even Shelia or whoever. BUT I don't think that any of these women were soulmates, perhaps 2 or 3 of them were A soulmate but not HIS own soulmate.

You need to listen to all of the many songs written about her. You need to listen to the Piano and Mic concerts. He loved her greatly from the heart!!! I believe she was the love of his life. A great inspiration in life not just music wise. Vanity/Denise helped him to grow into a better person. She had his heart and he couldn't let her go. And I will always believe her passing was just too much for him to come to grips with. In my opinion he lost his will to carry on!

the cage to his dove....when she went, he flew away too.

Vanity 6 on Soul Train

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh1zR0Oa7UM

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I noticed when watching Vanity performing on different shows (soul train, solid gold, etc.) she wears a gold band on her ring finger..its very obvious too, wonder if Prince gave it to her since he use to introduce her as his wife?

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As mentioned earlier on this thread, A Million Days (2004) appears to be another Vanity inspired "mirror theme" song. Again, it has the lead female character interacting with the mirror throughout the video - it's quite bizarre in places. The song was initially recorded in 1995.

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There was a documentary made of the video that hasn't surfaced.

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Today, there's been a thread posted that appears to link A Million Days to a film, 3121 that Prince was making (presumably during the next album 3121). The film trailer is using scenes from the video for A Million Days. See this link to see the trailer:

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http://prince.org/msg/7/427913

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The moderator on the other page has also said that there's a 2nd edit to this film tied to LotusFlw3r which was shown during the album release.

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GeniusLuv said:

Vanity 6 on Soul Train

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh1zR0Oa7UM

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I noticed when watching Vanity performing on different shows (soul train, solid gold, etc.) she wears a gold band on her ring finger..its very obvious too, wonder if Prince gave it to her since he use to introduce her as his wife?

'what happened to the ring I gave you, what am I to assume'

Goddess4Real said: