wizardtelly said:

benni said:

Also, you all are neglecting the fact that when he first saw Mayte, he stated that he had just seen his future wife. He was completely smitten with her from first sight.

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We all have experienced more than one love in our life, or most of us have. Each relationship prepares us for the next. We learn more about ourselves as we grow through each relationship and about what we want and don't want. Prince and Denise were perfect for each other when they were young, and while they were together. But as we grown and mature, we change. Denise was not the same woman Prince had originally fallen in love with, nor was he the same man Denise had fallen in love with. Who is to say that who they became would have even been interested in the other.

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As with all young loves, we tend to idealize that person and remember the good. But often when we get back with that person, we discover that person has changed and we no longer know them. Not only do we no longer know them, but we may find there are too many differences between us now to ever bridge the gap of years that may have passed.

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It's nice to romanticize a relationship, but often the reality is much different. Denise and Prince were no longer together for a reason and obviously Prince had no further desire to get back with Denise, nor she him, since they were not together. Yes, he loved who Denise had been to him, loved the memories, and he mourned her passing. Just as he would have done if it had been Mayte or Mani, or any other woman he had been intimate with and had such a serious relationship with. I have mourned the passing of an ex, and was deeply saddened by his passing, but that does not mean that I lamented the fact that we were no longer together. He was a part of my life at one time, a significant part of it, but he was an "ex" for a reason. Just as Prince was an ex for Denise for a reason, and Denise was an ex for Prince for a reason. Yes, they always loved each other. Real love never dies, but that does not mean the two belonged together. They were making each other miserable and unhappy and causing each other a lot of stress and pain. That is not a happy relationship.

No one is neglecting that, he actually said that about Sheila E. So if used to Mayte, it was a line that he used a decade plus before her. Prince was brilliant but he also lied a lot in the media. The 90s were a time of great confusion, and many of their interviews from the time are incredibly insincere. For example, the Oprah incident where they blatantly lied about the baby, understandable for personal triumph, but also a perpetuated lie. As we have analyzed, him and Denise could not be together for plenty of reasons. Prince's answers to "moving on" in life reflected much of her life. Someone of Prince's calibars would not just "dedicate a whole show" to someone they metaphorically not been with in 30+ odd years. Prince made it incredulously clear that he didn't look back, but in a career of 40 years, he started to reflect again. He's not mentioned the woman you are continuously thrusting into this in 17 years, much to her demise. She is clearly currently expressing her troubles and grief. Take into account her age, as well, when they met. A large portion of their relationship was a facade at face value and whilst the claim is the troubled pregnancy or two thrusted them apart, it also solidified other issues. I want to clarify that it is possible to respect her relationship to Prince without bringing her into a thread that has nothing (purposely) to do about her. It's quite ludicrous, to be honest. I understand she was once his wife, but your opinions are slightly invalid because he used that marriage and soul mate line to other women, on a regular basis. He did the same behavior to Sheila E and Nona Gaye, as well as a handful others. We are purposely looking in depth at all of his relationships (ones we are aware of) respectably, and continuously one thing has been clear, "Vanity" had a special place. I'm not sure why Prince/MAYTE fans are continuously living in a state of delusion and fairytale, not saying you are, but it's absurd. People forget that Prince was an adult when meeting her, Prince was Prince before Mayte, hence why we look back on life from the different stages/eras of his to tie in fact, his music, content, and life. Prince, he found solace in youth (Anna Garcia being the primitive example). I understand that he married Mayte but that on the greater scheme means quite little because he also quickly married Manuela, which supports the known information of her actually being in "the picture" from 1998 rather than just 2000. As mentioned the age, that is an increasingly telling reason why they married. I know the story is perpetuated by Garcia as "we met when I was 16,my mom gave him the tape and we became good friends/kept in contact and it evolved," but without a doubt in my mind, their marriage represented possession. What I and others have respectfully refrained from doing has been not belittling his relationships to other people. It is only commentary like this that is off putting because it seems people don't respect or understand that he existed before her. Prince had a story, and albeit what many folks like to ignore, that story was readily based around Denise and Vanity. Mayte is from a time where Prince changed a lot, as well. The mysticism and enlightenment he had been reflecting on during this period also comes across as a snarky way of saying, "he's happy," in an extremely pretentious and false way. Watching their interviews, as stated, makes it quite clear that something I'm sure they were both happily enamored by was partially a fantasy. Mayte, young and beautiful, wasn't under the jurisdiction of Prince, but also his celebrity. In other words, how is someone your soulmate and they're not allowed to call you on the phone, call you by your birth name for protesting reasons, and others? She, with all due respect, like many women Prince was with, was merely a love based on inflation of the ego. Also, he had helped Denise with finances through royalties after she became engulfed in Christianity. Newly Christian when her health took a turn for the worst, he purposely used a sample of her moaning, and what is known to be her having an orgasm on his album Come. The interlude/song was volatile and explicit, featuring a newly paired Prince (dating Mayte) taunting "his" Vanity with sexually suggestive content and 'dirty-talking' the newly crowned Christian with lust, giving her direction, and re-introducing us all, and her, to a world that used to be. That signified a lot, and of all samples, he chose that one. That's not Prince simply being perverse, sexual, or spiritual, that was him displaying pain at full value in form of domination. I want you to also. Know that Prince openly discussed Denise whilst being married to his wife, claiming how everyone thought they'd marry. He used irrelevant conversations and moments to speak of "Vanity" (newly returned as Denise at the time) whilst with his wife. I'm not understanding why people continue to believe that we are downplaying his relationship to anyone, specifically Mayte. As I said, Prince's story figuratively started from his childhood up until the late 80's. Adolescence, to family life, to childhood experiences, to teenage years, life with the Cymone's/freedom, music, Warner Brothers, the 70s, the 80's, successes, love, heartbreak, accomplishment, exponential fame, love and loss, the chase, and the end of an era. Prince renounced his name and much of his prior life during the next period, so his story took a much different route. Mayte's significance is one I won't argue on for the next chapter, but I will say one can argue that this was the period of much triumph spiritually, albeit it seemingly being the one he was trying to project as the most radical and important at the time. I like to call it "Celebrity Syndrome" where-in you reach a pinnacle of fame and success, and things start to derail. Now, Prince's genius was music not keeping up with the record industry because the decade before: he was the music industry. His impact, alone, allowed that he never have to write a song ever again had he never wanted to and still gain fame. Prince was also growing up, and after having a close relationship with Larry Graham, I think a lot changed for him both mentally and spiritually, and it is clear it then wasn't just the failed pregnancy and the death of his ill infant alone that progressed his story. Based on what has been configured, respectfully, Prince suffered a great deal. I understand the marriage was that of a poster of perfection, beauty, and fairytale enchantment, but Prince was an escapist if looking at much of this from a psychological stand-point and it makes sense for that time. I think much fans of him and her are stuck also in that illusion, again, I'm not disrespecting him/her and their bond at the time, but I am stating what he afterwards expressed to his supporters(music supporters) in little to no actual words, by igniting a severe change. Prince made some great music in the 90's at certain points, but I think he was also conflicted because artistically, after The Most Beautiful Girl In The World, there was a lot personally going on. The period between 1999 and 2003, it is there we start to see a slowly maturing version of Prince. That year, was the last he appeared at side of his first wife who he had annulled with the year prior, and then formally divorced after. I'm not sure, but Prince grew exponentially after that relationship ended and he was with Manuela. We begin to see Prince continuing the triumphant story of self-discovery, and dropping a facade that had been attached to him for a long time. I think as he grew into more faith, he found the man he always wanted to be or saw himself as. In retrospect, it comes to be clear that the 90's and his relationship to Mayte becomes one of taboo, and he brushes it in the past as a lesson learned whilst happily in love with his wife Manuela. I'm sure parts of her relationship was "bizarre" as Mayte described hers, but she's always been quite private and it is the first time in a long time he displays love with passion and without the luster of fantasy. I believe he returned to himself when he did Musicology. Prince changed a lot, and if you have watched interviews from that period you can see for yourself that he grew up and peeled back the layers of facetious and pretentious walls to become human again, like life before "The Artist". It was incredibly noted he did not want the divorce from Manuela, but by her request he went along with it. life after Manuela, based on fact, left a matured man by himself and his music. Now from about 2004 until 2009, he entered an intense period of growth, that's displayed during that time as well. I would say that the last 7 years, based on the facts and known-information, he became slightly less obscure and more approachable. I think he grew up a lot and showed great wisdom, less pride, more humility, and back to the man that everyone met in the 80's during the high of his life. He began to mentor younger artists, he also began to serve as a great friend to many, a confidant, lover, and friend to many. He exhibited a purity at that time of his life especially over the last three years. Prince became a man of God, meaning, he was fulfilling his purpose without much pretense. Prince has always been private, but he started opening up more over the last year or so by interacting with fans, joking around with us, ministering to us in certain ways, and still knowing that he was a legend without the mystique that followed him/separated him as before. I believe that's why he took Denise's death so hard. As much of us stated, maybe she wasn't the "love of his life", but she certainly was the life of his prime, the woman who never quite left his mind throughout it all (as we saw in interviews, artistry, and songs), and the one he wished to see what life would be like with in someway. A man like Prince who never spoke of his ex-wives publicly did not necessarily love them less or more, they just became a thing of the past. A soulmate doesn't not talk to you for years knowing you're miserable and bitter, a lot of that was perception and an illusion because she was incredibly young. There's no doubt he made such an impression, him feeding his love for traditional submission and beauty as an intense spiritual Union seems to have caught up with him. But it was Denise who played the biggest role in his story as a female in retrospect. Those songs and albums wouldn't be what they were without her at the time, so him yelping and moaning that it was "time for a new story," with longing and a cracking voice after he intensely calls her name during a song means that their tale of young love is now over, it couldn't be but he made sense of it all because he never let her go, just moved on. There's no doubt her passing depressed him, we're not saying that was the main cause of his death, but evidently it could have contributed to a slightly untimely and unthinkable passing only weeks later. I'm sure Prince learned how to cope over the triumphant journey of his, but a piece of his past was finally finalized. That's hard for anyone, he was quite human after all, and who he was at the end of his life, was a man with an open heart with yearning for privacy and love at the same time. [Edited 6/1/16 3:34am] [Edited 6/1/16 3:57am]

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In an interview many years ago, when talking about why she left him, Vanity said, "I needed only one man to love me. Prince needed and wanted more than one woman to love him."

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Where does that fit into this narrative?

benni said:

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In an interview many years ago, when talking about why she left him, Vanity said, "I needed only one man to love me. Prince needed and wanted more than one woman to love him."

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Where does that fit into this narrative?

It fits into the narrative by chronologically suggesting growth and forgiveness because albeit that statement made 30 + years ago, she still expressed gratitude towards him over the last 15+ years publicly.

Vashtix said:

benni said:

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And that post was in reply to purplegirl, not you.

I realize that post was not in reply to me. You are however bashing my opinion. As I said before we can agree to disagree because I believe Prince and Denise has a bond that time and marriages and different loves did not diminish. The connection Prince shared with Denise is not dismissing any other woman in his life it is speaking to his relationship with Denise. I never thought about Prince and Denise much but when she died and him publicly sharing information and dedicating songs and calling for her in death it hit me that time does not matter when hearts/souls/spirits are a true match.

That does not take away from any other women in his life.

I do not understand the need to try to diminish the public show of mourning he shared at Denise's passing. Denise died, he was sad, he shared that with the public.

Prince did die THAT close behind Denise.

I am not God I did not put that into the universe- as the first post said in this thread

Did he die of a broken heart?

I do think her death added to whatever he was going through at the time. Denise was part of his world before he was international mega star - that is special . . . so I do think there is a spiritual component to these 2 deaths.

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So, presenting an opposing viewpoint is now considered bashing? I've not once said you can't have view point, your opinion. I've shared the things Prince has said. Yes, he dedicated that show to Denise. He had just learned of her death that day, so it was still very present and fresh in his mind. If he had done anything else, I would have wondered what was wrong with him. But, I am done with this thread. When several of you decide that your view is the only right and logical one and everyone else that may offer a different view and evidence of their view is considered bashing, then you all aren't wanting to engage in healthy discussion and are only concerned with presenting your opinions.

As I said, you're derailing from the topic at hand and excusing it as conjecture when it's preferential bias. If you were to actually read much of the commentary, you'd see many people in here have been posing opposing/open discussion for learning purposes. There are threads pertaining to who you'd like to discuss that you can pose these hypothesis' on for certain. But I don't personally believe it's necessary here to be quite frank. Please let us continue our discussion without the purposeful back-handed replies that demonstrate no genuine interest other than that to appear facetious.

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wizardtelly said:

benni said:

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The problem is, you cannot figure out his relationship with Denise, because the only two who can really give you the truth is not here to confirm or deny it. Everything related to their relationship is conjecture/opinion. And it's obvious that you know it, because you all cannot handle any dissenting views and feel that a dissenting view is somehow bashing someone else, when it is not.

No, I think the problem is you bringing Mayte into a discussion where she's not needed. That's like countering an argument with the same spiel on you not being able to handle that in their story, she's not quite as significant and you are thus also trying to counter what research/insight people have as prose as a way to belittle opinion.

I personally have never said all of his songs were about Denise or the subject of Vanity, that's a ludicrous assumption. Some have, with their reasons, and they could have been.

Thank you for your time, but this isn't what the thread is about.

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You all brought Mayte in when you brought a song into your mix that was clearly written for Mayte, and tried to say it was about Denise. You all were trivializing Mayte's relationship with Prince by doing that. I stepped in to correct it, and suddenly you all were jumping on me and saying, essentially, "How dare you!?" I dared because I believe in truth, and I'm tired of opinions being bandied about as facts.

benni said:

Vashtix said:

I realize that post was not in reply to me. You are however bashing my opinion. As I said before we can agree to disagree because I believe Prince and Denise has a bond that time and marriages and different loves did not diminish. The connection Prince shared with Denise is not dismissing any other woman in his life it is speaking to his relationship with Denise. I never thought about Prince and Denise much but when she died and him publicly sharing information and dedicating songs and calling for her in death it hit me that time does not matter when hearts/souls/spirits are a true match.

That does not take away from any other women in his life.

I do not understand the need to try to diminish the public show of mourning he shared at Denise's passing. Denise died, he was sad, he shared that with the public.

Prince did die THAT close behind Denise.

I am not God I did not put that into the universe- as the first post said in this thread

Did he die of a broken heart?

I do think her death added to whatever he was going through at the time. Denise was part of his world before he was international mega star - that is special . . . so I do think there is a spiritual component to these 2 deaths.

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So, presenting an opposing viewpoint is now considered bashing? I've not once said you can't have view point, your opinion. I've shared the things Prince has said. Yes, he dedicated that show to Denise. He had just learned of her death that day, so it was still very present and fresh in his mind. If he had done anything else, I would have wondered what was wrong with him. But, I am done with this thread. When several of you decide that your view is the only right and logical one and everyone else that may offer a different view and evidence of their view is considered bashing, then you all aren't wanting to engage in healthy discussion and are only concerned with presenting your opinions.

Just as a quick question, I'm not trying to be abrasive at all, but you don't find it the least bit strange that in your response about romanticizing and xyz, you also spoke for Prince? "Prince would not, Prince did not, Prince does not, Prince would do it for ..." That is the same sort of thing it seems you are annoying people about doing and then excusing that for "opposition".

wizardtelly said:

benni said:

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No, it was a thread about how depressed Prince was about Vanity's passing. You all turned it into some strange fiction that all of his music is now about Vanity. The symbolism in Prince's music and artistry went much deeper than being about a woman. Even Prince himself said fans often get it wrong, trying to make his music about this or that, when he was actually singing about God.

Considering I can safely assume you've not sat down and read numerous pages on this, I think this discussion can end here. We've all acknowledged that God and his spiritual tie to his deity and worshipping practice was the leading force in his life. I won't suggest you read back, I would just suggest you not argue or waste time to be quite frank because it's unnecessary fodder in a place where it's not needed. This has nothing to do with suggesting conjectures, it has to do with people's resilience to let others discuss what is rightfully intriguing to them about the passing of two people connected by many forces.

Also, if you would like to read fiction as your soul permits a desire to discuss Mayte: I'd suggest you go on her instagram page and read any comment you can find. That is fiction at it's best, as well as delusion. (Respectably)
Thank you for your time. X

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You all can go right ahead with discussing whatever you desire to discuss. And I have the right to interject comments if I see you present a fallacy as truth. I am reading fiction in this thread.

benni said:

wizardtelly said:

No, I think the problem is you bringing Mayte into a discussion where she's not needed. That's like countering an argument with the same spiel on you not being able to handle that in their story, she's not quite as significant and you are thus also trying to counter what research/insight people have as prose as a way to belittle opinion.

I personally have never said all of his songs were about Denise or the subject of Vanity, that's a ludicrous assumption. Some have, with their reasons, and they could have been.

Thank you for your time, but this isn't what the thread is about.

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You all brought Mayte in when you brought a song into your mix that was clearly written for Mayte, and tried to say it was about Denise. You all were trivializing Mayte's relationship with Prince by doing that. I stepped in to correct it, and suddenly you all were jumping on me and saying, essentially, "How dare you!?" I dared because I believe in truth, and I'm tired of opinions being bandied about as facts.

This is how I know you're not reading this tomfoolery because you keep saying, "You all," when I have clearly expelled to you that I personally have never said, "Oh all these songs on all these albums are about Denise and the subject of 'Vanity'." That is very clear, so having a point of reference and mentioning certain users would be more helpful to see where you're coming from. Most of us actually have not brought her up, however, you have because you clearly have some affinity for her. (Which is not wrong, just unecessary to use her as a demonizing force of someone else, which is what we are trying to prevent in this thread "safe-space") No one is trivializing her, in fact, much of us would rather not discuss her unless necessary. We have respected everyone in his life. We don't make this the Mayte show, as you are doing, in here. We like to make it about what it is about.

benni said:

wizardtelly said:

Considering I can safely assume you've not sat down and read numerous pages on this, I think this discussion can end here. We've all acknowledged that God and his spiritual tie to his deity and worshipping practice was the leading force in his life. I won't suggest you read back, I would just suggest you not argue or waste time to be quite frank because it's unnecessary fodder in a place where it's not needed. This has nothing to do with suggesting conjectures, it has to do with people's resilience to let others discuss what is rightfully intriguing to them about the passing of two people connected by many forces.

Also, if you would like to read fiction as your soul permits a desire to discuss Mayte: I'd suggest you go on her instagram page and read any comment you can find. That is fiction at it's best, as well as delusion. (Respectably)
Thank you for your time. X

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You all can go right ahead with discussing whatever you desire to discuss. And I have the right to interject comments if I see you present a fallacy as truth. I am reading fiction in this thread.

Benny, I'm not sure you're seeing clearly: because you're not reading quite well I don't think, no disrespect. But Mayte's instagram page is the following: instagram.com/maytejannell and you can find great comfort in other delusionalists. You continue to say, "You all," when I for one, have never taken part in claiming every single thing this poor deceased man did in his life was because of her. You don't have any fact yourself, and most of your questions that we have answered do not get any resolve because you're not looking for one. You just want to interject someone unnecessarily. Have a lovely day.

endiadj said:

truth is no one knows really who these songs are about except prince, so we'll never really know now. one moment he says a song is about this woman. the next time he says she knows abut this one concerning a different woman. so no one is right or wrong or dealing with true facts. we're just going by what prince himself said in a vulnerable moment. we're dissecting his songs/videos in this vanity/denise/prince thread. no one said anything is fact, just opinions as is every other thread about his other relationships.

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Thank you endiadj! You are the only one that has been civil and stated that it is opinion. You're right, no one knows except Prince. And I can respect that, about what he said during a vulnerable moment, but you have to look at exactly what he said, "Her and I used to love each other." And when I mentioned that all of this was conjecture/opinion, I've been called out on that. So while you may understand that all of this is opinion, there are others engaged in this that believe they have found the truth and that it is fact. But either way, I am done with this thread and the hateful tone of some of its contributors (not you). You would think a dissenting opinion would open up further discussion, digging deeper into the lyrics, but instead it just caused others here with us to decide it was right to jump on the dissenter, rather than focusing on what is being said and saying, "I see what you are saying there, but here, in this interview Prince said..." or "Yeah, I can see where you might think that, but if you look at what he said here." Take care and peace to you.

endiadj said:

we can agree to disagree with those who don't want to believe in the denise/prince discussion. now back on topic, did denise have a significant other in her life these past years?

That's a great question I've wondered too, but based on her ministries that I've watched, I wouldn't hesitate to say a big no. Her pastor is quite vocal on facebook and was adamant that she gave all of her will and love to the Lord in this quest of "glory" she was in. However, she also mentioned that she continuously spoke of Prince (she did, in all of the preaching videos lol) with great superiority and continued to "Pray" for him because she knew she couldn't ever find love like that in her life. (That is a direct quote but I don't have the link to it atm) What do you think?

I would believe she's not had a partner in at least 10 years.

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benni said:

wizardtelly said:

Vashtix said:

wizardtelly said:

That's a great question I've wondered too, but based on her ministries that I've watched, I wouldn't hesitate to say a big no. Her pastor is quite vocal on facebook and was adamant that she gave all of her will and love to the Lord in this quest of "glory" she was in. However, she also mentioned that she continuously spoke of Prince (she did, in all of the preaching videos lol) with great superiority and continued to "Pray" for him because she knew she couldn't ever find love like that in her life. (That is a direct quote but I don't have the link to it atm) What do you think?

I would believe she's not had a partner in at least 10 years.

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[url] For some reason I find that so sad

You know, in a way I don't find it sad. So many times we get involved in relationships where our hearts are not really in it, because we are afraid to be alone. Knowing that she was still in love with Prince she would have been dishonest to another man if she were to marry him. She took her celibacy very seriously and wore it like a badge of honor. She was not going to be with anyone she was not married to and she was not marrying anyone she was not in love with. She knew her heart was with Prince and if she was not going to be with him I guess she preferred to be alone. The sad thing is that if she had not been so sick and passed away, I think they would have found their way back to each other.

30yearfan said:

Vashtix said:

wizardtelly said:

Vashtix said:

I think her death broke his heart but I cannot see Prince with a woman his age

Me neither! That's why it's sad as well. I think he could respect a woman his age, such as her of all people. However, I don't think at this phase of life he would settle for one especially because of intimacy. Do you think he still wanted children? I believe so, despite the tragedy. I believe younger women kept him going.

Yeah but so much of what we saw with Prince was image driven. He was seen with a lot of young woman but he was professing that he was celibate. I think he appeared with a lot of young woman to help promote their careers and increase their profiles. I don't think a lot of these women were actual girlfriends I think they were friends, aspiring musicians that he believed in, and companions. We have a image of him having to be with all these sexy young women but it might not have been the case privately. Remember when he married Mani it took a long time for the public to become aware of it. He seemed to keep a lot of his private life on the down low. Had they lived longer I could definitely see him performing occasionally and moving to that house of the island with her if they could have ever gotten on the same page. Songs like Walk in Sand and Sea of Everything seem to speak to a gentle quiet life that he may have been looking for as he got older.

30yearfan said:

wizardtelly said:

Vashtix said: Me neither! That's why it's sad as well. I think he could respect a woman his age, such as her of all people. However, I don't think at this phase of life he would settle for one especially because of intimacy. Do you think he still wanted children? I believe so, despite the tragedy. I believe younger women kept him going.

Yeah but so much of what we saw with Prince was image driven. He was seen with a lot of young woman but he was professing that he was celibate. I think he appeared with a lot of young woman to help promote their careers and increase their profiles. I don't think a lot of these women were actual girlfriends I think they were friends, aspiring musicians that he believed in, and companions. We have a image of him having to be with all these sexy young women but it might not have been the case privately. Remember when he married Mani it took a long time for the public to become aware of it. He seemed to keep a lot of his private life on the down low. Had they lived longer I could definitely see him performing occasionally and moving to that house of the island with her if they could have ever gotten on the same page. Songs like Walk in Sand and Sea of Everything seem to speak to a gentle quiet life that he may have been looking for as he got older.

Reading that he professed celibacy in the last few years has been odd to me. Maybe because he was still he was surrounded by beautiful women and well, he had his harems back in the day. You could, however, be correct that it was more of an image thing in his later years and that his relationship with them was more of a friend & mentor rather than romantic/lover.

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I'm still so amazed that he had so much music. This has really been a discovery thread for me. I need to go listen to Walk in Sand and Sea of Everything. Thanks.

30yearfan said:

Vashtix said:

wizardtelly said: [url] For some reason I find that so sad

You know, in a way I don't find it sad. So many times we get involved in relationships where our hearts are not really in it, because we are afraid to be alone. Knowing that she was still in love with Prince she would have been dishonest to another man if she were to marry him. She took her celibacy very seriously and wore it like a badge of honor. She was not going to be with anyone she was not married to and she was not marrying anyone she was not in love with. She knew her heart was with Prince and if she was not going to be with him I guess she preferred to be alone. The sad thing is that if she had not been so sick and passed away, I think they would have found their way back to each other.

That's the same impression I got from her FB posts. She loved him but if there was going to be any reconcilation, it would've had to have been the right way for her. As she put it in her FB, "No getting under the sheets without marriage".

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She was very very sick last summer and even in critical care/ICU. She pulled through it but that woman suffered A LOT. I think it's possible they would have found their way back to each other, but I wonder how would he have dealt with watching her suffer so much?

purplegirl00 said:

"I remember him saying that he broke up with Mayte because he was becoming jealous and possessive of her and it took his focus off of himself and his music"

Hmmm! He wasn't a very good liar.

30yearfan said:

wizardtelly said:

Vashtix said: Me neither! That's why it's sad as well. I think he could respect a woman his age, such as her of all people. However, I don't think at this phase of life he would settle for one especially because of intimacy. Do you think he still wanted children? I believe so, despite the tragedy. I believe younger women kept him going.

Yeah but so much of what we saw with Prince was image driven. He was seen with a lot of young woman but he was professing that he was celibate. I think he appeared with a lot of young woman to help promote their careers and increase their profiles. I don't think a lot of these women were actual girlfriends I think they were friends, aspiring musicians that he believed in, and companions. We have a image of him having to be with all these sexy young women but it might not have been the case privately. Remember when he married Mani it took a long time for the public to become aware of it. He seemed to keep a lot of his private life on the down low. Had they lived longer I could definitely see him performing occasionally and moving to that house of the island with her if they could have ever gotten on the same page. Songs like Walk in Sand and Sea of Everything seem to speak to a gentle quiet life that he may have been looking for as he got older.

Agree. I think the public persona just overshadows reality.

wizardtelly said:

benni said:

Also, you all are neglecting the fact that when he first saw Mayte, he stated that he had just seen his future wife. He was completely smitten with her from first sight.

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We all have experienced more than one love in our life, or most of us have. Each relationship prepares us for the next. We learn more about ourselves as we grow through each relationship and about what we want and don't want. Prince and Denise were perfect for each other when they were young, and while they were together. But as we grown and mature, we change. Denise was not the same woman Prince had originally fallen in love with, nor was he the same man Denise had fallen in love with. Who is to say that who they became would have even been interested in the other.

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As with all young loves, we tend to idealize that person and remember the good. But often when we get back with that person, we discover that person has changed and we no longer know them. Not only do we no longer know them, but we may find there are too many differences between us now to ever bridge the gap of years that may have passed.

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It's nice to romanticize a relationship, but often the reality is much different. Denise and Prince were no longer together for a reason and obviously Prince had no further desire to get back with Denise, nor she him, since they were not together. Yes, he loved who Denise had been to him, loved the memories, and he mourned her passing. Just as he would have done if it had been Mayte or Mani, or any other woman he had been intimate with and had such a serious relationship with. I have mourned the passing of an ex, and was deeply saddened by his passing, but that does not mean that I lamented the fact that we were no longer together. He was a part of my life at one time, a significant part of it, but he was an "ex" for a reason. Just as Prince was an ex for Denise for a reason, and Denise was an ex for Prince for a reason. Yes, they always loved each other. Real love never dies, but that does not mean the two belonged together. They were making each other miserable and unhappy and causing each other a lot of stress and pain. That is not a happy relationship.

No one is neglecting that, he actually said that about Sheila E. So if used to Mayte, it was a line that he used a decade plus before her. Prince was brilliant but he also lied a lot in the media. The 90s were a time of great confusion, and many of their interviews from the time are incredibly insincere. For example, the Oprah incident where they blatantly lied about the baby, understandable for personal triumph, but also a perpetuated lie. As we have analyzed, him and Denise could not be together for plenty of reasons. Prince's answers to "moving on" in life reflected much of her life. Someone of Prince's calibars would not just "dedicate a whole show" to someone they metaphorically not been with in 30+ odd years. Prince made it incredulously clear that he didn't look back, but in a career of 40 years, he started to reflect again. He's not mentioned the woman you are continuously thrusting into this in 17 years, much to her demise. She is clearly currently expressing her troubles and grief. Take into account her age, as well, when they met. A large portion of their relationship was a facade at face value and whilst the claim is the troubled pregnancy or two thrusted them apart, it also solidified other issues. I want to clarify that it is possible to respect her relationship to Prince without bringing her into a thread that has nothing (purposely) to do about her. It's quite ludicrous, to be honest. I understand she was once his wife, but your opinions are slightly invalid because he used that marriage and soul mate line to other women, on a regular basis. He did the same behavior to Sheila E and Nona Gaye, as well as a handful others. We are purposely looking in depth at all of his relationships (ones we are aware of) respectably, and continuously one thing has been clear, "Vanity" had a special place. I'm not sure why Prince/MAYTE fans are continuously living in a state of delusion and fairytale, not saying you are, but it's absurd. People forget that Prince was an adult when meeting her, Prince was Prince before Mayte, hence why we look back on life from the different stages/eras of his to tie in fact, his music, content, and life. Prince, he found solace in youth (Anna Garcia being the primitive example). I understand that he married Mayte but that on the greater scheme means quite little because he also quickly married Manuela, which supports the known information of her actually being in "the picture" from 1998 rather than just 2000. As mentioned the age, that is an increasingly telling reason why they married. I know the story is perpetuated by Garcia as "we met when I was 16,my mom gave him the tape and we became good friends/kept in contact and it evolved," but without a doubt in my mind, their marriage represented possession. What I and others have respectfully refrained from doing has been not belittling his relationships to other people. It is only commentary like this that is off putting because it seems people don't respect or understand that he existed before her. Prince had a story, and albeit what many folks like to ignore, that story was readily based around Denise and Vanity. Mayte is from a time where Prince changed a lot, as well. The mysticism and enlightenment he had been reflecting on during this period also comes across as a snarky way of saying, "he's happy," in an extremely pretentious and false way. Watching their interviews, as stated, makes it quite clear that something I'm sure they were both happily enamored by was partially a fantasy. Mayte, young and beautiful, wasn't under the jurisdiction of Prince, but also his celebrity. In other words, how is someone your soulmate and they're not allowed to call you on the phone, call you by your birth name for protesting reasons, and others? She, with all due respect, like many women Prince was with, was merely a love based on inflation of the ego. Also, he had helped Denise with finances through royalties after she became engulfed in Christianity. Newly Christian when her health took a turn for the worst, he purposely used a sample of her moaning, and what is known to be her having an orgasm on his album Come. The interlude/song was volatile and explicit, featuring a newly paired Prince (dating Mayte) taunting "his" Vanity with sexually suggestive content and 'dirty-talking' the newly crowned Christian with lust, giving her direction, and re-introducing us all, and her, to a world that used to be. That signified a lot, and of all samples, he chose that one. That's not Prince simply being perverse, sexual, or spiritual, that was him displaying pain at full value in form of domination. I want you to also. Know that Prince openly discussed Denise whilst being married to his wife, claiming how everyone thought they'd marry. He used irrelevant conversations and moments to speak of "Vanity" (newly returned as Denise at the time) whilst with his wife. I'm not understanding why people continue to believe that we are downplaying his relationship to anyone, specifically Mayte. As I said, Prince's story figuratively started from his childhood up until the late 80's. Adolescence, to family life, to childhood experiences, to teenage years, life with the Cymone's/freedom, music, Warner Brothers, the 70s, the 80's, successes, love, heartbreak, accomplishment, exponential fame, love and loss, the chase, and the end of an era. Prince renounced his name and much of his prior life during the next period, so his story took a much different route. Mayte's significance is one I won't argue on for the next chapter, but I will say one can argue that this was the period of much triumph spiritually, albeit it seemingly being the one he was trying to project as the most radical and important at the time. I like to call it "Celebrity Syndrome" where-in you reach a pinnacle of fame and success, and things start to derail. Now, Prince's genius was music not keeping up with the record industry because the decade before: he was the music industry. His impact, alone, allowed that he never have to write a song ever again had he never wanted to and still gain fame. Prince was also growing up, and after having a close relationship with Larry Graham, I think a lot changed for him both mentally and spiritually, and it is clear it then wasn't just the failed pregnancy and the death of his ill infant alone that progressed his story. Based on what has been configured, respectfully, Prince suffered a great deal. I understand the marriage was that of a poster of perfection, beauty, and fairytale enchantment, but Prince was an escapist if looking at much of this from a psychological stand-point and it makes sense for that time. I think much fans of him and her are stuck also in that illusion, again, I'm not disrespecting him/her and their bond at the time, but I am stating what he afterwards expressed to his supporters(music supporters) in little to no actual words, by igniting a severe change. Prince made some great music in the 90's at certain points, but I think he was also conflicted because artistically, after The Most Beautiful Girl In The World, there was a lot personally going on. The period between 1999 and 2003, it is there we start to see a slowly maturing version of Prince. That year, was the last he appeared at side of his first wife who he had annulled with the year prior, and then formally divorced after. I'm not sure, but Prince grew exponentially after that relationship ended and he was with Manuela. We begin to see Prince continuing the triumphant story of self-discovery, and dropping a facade that had been attached to him for a long time. I think as he grew into more faith, he found the man he always wanted to be or saw himself as. In retrospect, it comes to be clear that the 90's and his relationship to Mayte becomes one of taboo, and he brushes it in the past as a lesson learned whilst happily in love with his wife Manuela. I'm sure parts of her relationship was "bizarre" as Mayte described hers, but she's always been quite private and it is the first time in a long time he displays love with passion and without the luster of fantasy. I believe he returned to himself when he did Musicology. Prince changed a lot, and if you have watched interviews from that period you can see for yourself that he grew up and peeled back the layers of facetious and pretentious walls to become human again, like life before "The Artist". It was incredibly noted he did not want the divorce from Manuela, but by her request he went along with it. life after Manuela, based on fact, left a matured man by himself and his music. Now from about 2004 until 2009, he entered an intense period of growth, that's displayed during that time as well. I would say that the last 7 years, based on the facts and known-information, he became slightly less obscure and more approachable. I think he grew up a lot and showed great wisdom, less pride, more humility, and back to the man that everyone met in the 80's during the high of his life. He began to mentor younger artists, he also began to serve as a great friend to many, a confidant, lover, and friend to many. He exhibited a purity at that time of his life especially over the last three years. Prince became a man of God, meaning, he was fulfilling his purpose without much pretense. Prince has always been private, but he started opening up more over the last year or so by interacting with fans, joking around with us, ministering to us in certain ways, and still knowing that he was a legend without the mystique that followed him/separated him as before. I believe that's why he took Denise's death so hard. As much of us stated, maybe she wasn't the "love of his life", but she certainly was the life of his prime, the woman who never quite left his mind throughout it all (as we saw in interviews, artistry, and songs), and the one he wished to see what life would be like with in someway. A man like Prince who never spoke of his ex-wives publicly did not necessarily love them less or more, they just became a thing of the past. A soulmate doesn't not talk to you for years knowing you're miserable and bitter, a lot of that was perception and an illusion because she was incredibly young. There's no doubt he made such an impression, him feeding his love for traditional submission and beauty as an intense spiritual Union seems to have caught up with him. But it was Denise who played the biggest role in his story as a female in retrospect. Those songs and albums wouldn't be what they were without her at the time, so him yelping and moaning that it was "time for a new story," with longing and a cracking voice after he intensely calls her name during a song means that their tale of young love is now over, it couldn't be but he made sense of it all because he never let her go, just moved on. There's no doubt her passing depressed him, we're not saying that was the main cause of his death, but evidently it could have contributed to a slightly untimely and unthinkable passing only weeks later. I'm sure Prince learned how to cope over the triumphant journey of his, but a piece of his past was finally finalized. That's hard for anyone, he was quite human after all, and who he was at the end of his life, was a man with an open heart with yearning for privacy and love at the same time. [Edited 6/1/16 3:34am] [Edited 6/1/16 3:57am]

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I totally love this post- it sums up so much of what I think of Prince. Thank you for posting this

Just stumbled across this.

Prince states-

"My music is a soundtrack to my psyche, yeah I think so."

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SunnyGirl8 said:

Just stumbled across this.

Prince states-

"My music is a soundtrack to my psyche, yeah I think so."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNN3V9cjFys

Interesting but that is a theme in this thread that I do believe; I think his music is his truth

Vashtix said:

SunnyGirl8 said:

Just stumbled across this.

Prince states-

"My music is a soundtrack to my psyche, yeah I think so."

Interesting but that is a theme in this thread that I do believe; I think his music is his truth

Yep I saw it and I thought we're on track! Have a good night all!

[Edited 6/1/16 18:32pm]

SunnyGirl8 said:

Just stumbled across this.

Prince states-

"My music is a soundtrack to my psyche, yeah I think so."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNN3V9cjFys

That was good. Thanks.

benni said:

Vashtix said:

Prince is gone and we will never know some things BUT what I do know is his death was so close after Denise's death and I for one will always say that his soul/spirit could not be here without hers

That is what hooked me to this thread initially and that is what I believe

Videos,lyrics will never change what happened in the universe and that is not belittling anyone or anything else in his life but that is a fact.

Oh and his tribute in Melbourne . . . that speaks for itself too.

again not belittling anyone or anything just saying for me it sealed it. He appears to have had a connection that did not die to Denise that was deeper than I ever thought.

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He would have dedicated his concert to Mayte or Mani, had it been them that passed. These are women he was intimate with, loved, shared a part of his life with. Of course it effected him, as it would any one else. Yes, Denise's passing had an impact on our man, but so would the passing of any of the women he had fallen in love with. Denise had some serious health issues. Prince was battling with his own health issues. We're getting older. Life happens, and a part of life is death. Eventually, we are all going to follow along. It was merely coincidence the timing of their passing.

Exactly! Thank you. People took that dedication and ran crazy fan fiction from it on this thread.

• When Bobby Z had his heart attack, Prince dedicated Nothing Compares 2 U to him in concert and sang his praises the whole night.
• When David Coleman died Prince dedicated Sometimes it Snows in April to him.
• Empty Room was first written in 1985 after Susannah moved out (he left the tape on her doormat!) and later redone for I'll Do Anything - nothing to do with Denise.
• The love songs on Emancipation are for Mayte.
• Prince doesn't live in the past, he isn't going to pine for a coke addict who left him in the lurch 30 years ago. He felt nostalgic and sad when she died, of course, so he spoke highly of her and sang some nice songs.
• Yes, Prince has a "type" so we may as well say that ever since Susan Moosie all his gf look like her!
• The 2 songs we can safely say were for vanity were Irresistable Bitch and probably The Beautiful Ones. And everyone assumed Dinner with Delores was about her too when that was released.

I see most of the people on her recently registered so I don't know if these are new fans or young fans who don't know the history of when songs were written and why. But the "connections" being made are really really grasping.