beachy said:

Sunny I feel like you picked the songs that solved some mystery, ie we knew he wanted her in 1987, now we know how he felt in 1994 right before he married Mayte, and also 2007 after his marriages were over.

.

What we don't know yet is what happened in the gap between Mayte and Mani, and what happened after 2007.

Hi Beachy I just watched a YouTube of Prince in 2009 and he said he was very happy in his life right now (10:20). He's asked whether he was thinking about someone special when he wrote the song Dance for Me on MPLSound album and he said "I was looking in the mirror when I wrote it." (6:45)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BizpQz9L1I

.

There are alot of songs that are clearly about her on every album and they can be picked out pretty quickly eg. Breakdown (2012) or Revelation (2014) etc. The problem post 2007 is getting hold of videos for them. It would appear alot of the later stuff doesn't have videos and if it does it's like him with a live band type thing. That means you need to work out what songs are 'hers' through interviews etc.

.

We know Hot Wit U (Nasty Girl Remix) is about her magnified and naked with bubbles on the bed (like Pretty Mess video) - that's the one we looked at the other day (1999).

.

Is there are particular time frame your after exactly (a year band)?

I have never since this article either, its like find treasure http://welcometothedawn.t...8833290880 or this signed pic

[Edited 5/29/16 19:52pm]

Vashtix said:

beachy said:

.

I have a few guesses about why he did this.

.

1) It was a way to communicate with her without going directly to her and risk being rejected outright. He may have felt he couldn't survive a direct rejection so continually tried to woo her and seduce her through music without giving an ultimatum.

,

2) With these films he could develop a theme and show her how he felt about her vs the other women in his life through music and video. An extended story which unfortunately she may not have seen, since it sounds like once he got the news that she had married that he pulled the videos from his shows.

,

3) He had problems expressing emotions other than through music because of his childhood and past experience.

.

4) No one really knew he still had feelings for her, his other women were well known, and he hid the messages quite well. Look how long it took for someone (us!) to discover what they meant.

.

5) All his art is basically an extended autobiography, especially regarding his story with Vanity. not just PR but UTCM also. Many songs and videos. It was his diary.

This thread has shown me that his art is autobiographical/his diary and what a precious gift to leave for us all. It is very special

Don't forget that he was saying in one of the Oakland concerts that it was time for a NEW story. Why do we need a new story, because THE story had concluded. Here's the article from the reviewer who attended the concert to refresh your memory.

http://rocksubculture.com/2016/03/01/prince-piano-and-a-microphone-at-paramount-theatre-oakland-california-2282016-concert-review-photos/

Here's the line:

"The theme throughout the show, “we need a new story”, was on Prince’s mind from the start."

30yearfan said:

SunnyGirl8 said:

Hi All

I’ve found something really special Hint: Look at the mirror. Make of it what you will, love to hear your thoughts…

.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAluL631Ygk

.

Somewhere Here On Earth - Planet Earth Album (2007)

Recorded early March 2007.

Video shot in Prague while on 21 Nights in London: Earth Tour 2007.

Links to other songs on Planet Earth Album -

- Mr Goodnight has a sample of Somewhere Here On Earth and is the b-side of promo single Chelsea Rodgers.

- B-side to Guitar. (Note: an alternate version of Guitar was released 5 months earlier to coincide with Super Bowl Halftime Show.)

Was performed on 28 May 2009 on Jay Leno’s penultimate show after 17yrs of hosting

Performed occasionally live: 2007, 2009, 2011, 2016

[Edited 5/29/16 14:06pm]

Holy cow. This is getting crazy. The girl in the mirror is just too much. I knew songs on Planet Earth referred to her. But wow, just wow. lol I feel like I took the blue pill in the Matrix. lol

I know and she's dressed just like the cover of Skin on Skin album (see when she sits down). I have to admit I was stunned when I saw it too!

Do you have any thoughts/references for the blindfold in their costumes etc over the years?

[Edited 5/29/16 19:57pm]

GeniusLuv said:

beachy said:

Sunny I feel like you picked the songs that solved some mystery, ie we knew he wanted her in 1987, now we know how he felt in 1994 right before he married Mayte, and also 2007 after his marriages were over.

.

What we don't know yet is what happened in the gap between Mayte and Mani, and what happened after 2007.

Those 2 overlapped, mani was P's assistant when he was married to myte and from what i've read in all these threads on the org...he was messing with mani while married to myte..she was exiled to a mansion is Spain he moved in on mani (canadian gal, looked like denise 20 yrs earlier) thats what i've read..she worked for prince when he was married the first time so, there was no time inbetween...

.

But now 2007...well there were no more marriages AND denise put it out there to God, the Universe------PRINCE she really wanted that face to face, so did he apparently..WOW....really, all i have to say is WOW!!!!!!!!

.

[Edited 5/29/16 19:20pm]

I just wanted to add, i am starting to think he left the ball in her court and well....she wouldn't budge, she trusted God would take care of things and i guess he did, eternally

SunnyGirl8 said:

beachy said:

Sunny I feel like you picked the songs that solved some mystery, ie we knew he wanted her in 1987, now we know how he felt in 1994 right before he married Mayte, and also 2007 after his marriages were over.

.

What we don't know yet is what happened in the gap between Mayte and Mani, and what happened after 2007.

Hi Beachy I just watched a YouTube of Prince in 2009 and he said he was very happy in his life right now (10:20). He's asked whether he was thinking about someone special when he wrote the song Dance for Me on MPLSound album and he said "I was looking in the mirror when I wrote it." (6:45)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BizpQz9L1I

.

There are alot of songs that are clearly about her on every album and they can be picked out pretty quickly eg. Breakdown (2012) or Revelation (2014) etc. The problem post 2007 is getting hold of videos for them. It would appear alot of the later stuff doesn't have videos and if it does it's like him with a live band type thing. That means you need to work out what songs are 'hers' through interviews etc.

.

We know Hot Wit U (Nasty Girl Remix) is about her magnified and naked with bubbles on the bed (like Pretty Mess video) - that's the one we looked at the other day (1999).

.

Is there are particular time frame your after exactly (a year band)?

SAY WHAT! I wonder if those people at the press conference got that one. Here are the lyrics for Dance 4 Me in case anyone is wondering..

.

Eye like it when you dance cuz it gets me hot
Eye like it when you shake everything you got
Eye like it when you dance cuz it's so sexy
Eye like it when you dance 4 me

Eye like it when you think eye'm all alone
Ur the voice eye hear from the telephone
Tellin me all ur deepest fantasies
Eye like it when you dance 4 me...hallelujah

Eye like it when eye hear a knock
On my door
U r standing there in ur christian dior
Dark sunglasses in the pale moonlight
Eye like it when the scene is right
U can take ur wrap and lay it on the chair
If anybody finds it eye don't care
What we do 2gether makes history
Eye like it when you dance 4 me
Hallelujah

Ur flamenco eyes r all like jazz
With every other sip of what's in ur glass
The sexier you get
The more ur in2 my stash
Eye like it when you dance for me
Hallelujah

(dance... dance 4 me... dance... dance 4 me)

[Chorus x2]

Dance... dance... eye like it when you dance 4 me

[Edited 5/29/16 20:09pm]

[Edited 5/29/16 20:11pm]

SunnyGirl8 said:

30yearfan said:

Holy cow. This is getting crazy. The girl in the mirror is just too much. I knew songs on Planet Earth referred to her. But wow, just wow. lol I feel like I took the blue pill in the Matrix. lol

I know and she's dressed just like the cover of Skin on Skin album (see when she sits down). I have to admit I was stunned when I saw it too!

Do you have any thoughts/references for the blindfold in their costumes etc over the years?

[Edited 5/29/16 19:57pm]

She said on her facebook recently that the skin on skin photo is her very favorite.

There has got to be some story behind that, beyond the resemblance to UTCM. I think they were meeting up early 1986 and possibly late 1985. Then she got with Nikki right after the album came out. in May.

GeniusLuv said:

beachy said:

Sunny I feel like you picked the songs that solved some mystery, ie we knew he wanted her in 1987, now we know how he felt in 1994 right before he married Mayte, and also 2007 after his marriages were over.

.

What we don't know yet is what happened in the gap between Mayte and Mani, and what happened after 2007.

Those 2 overlapped, mani was P's assistant when he was married to myte and from what i've read in all these threads on the org...he was messing with mani while married to myte..she was exiled to a mansion is Spain he moved in on mani (canadian gal, looked like denise 20 yrs earlier) thats what i've read..she worked for prince when he was married the first time so, there was no time inbetween...

.

But now 2007...well there were no more marriages AND denise put it out there to God, the Universe------PRINCE she really wanted that face to face, so did he apparently..WOW....really, all i have to say is WOW!!!!!!!!

.

[Edited 5/29/16 19:20pm]

It really is kind of surprising when you see it all out there isn't it? Just goes to prove that the music is really telling the story

purplegirl00 said:

Vashtix said:

This thread has shown me that his art is autobiographical/his diary and what a precious gift to leave for us all. It is very special

Don't forget that he was saying in one of the Oakland concerts that it was time for a NEW story. Why do we need a new story, because THE story had concluded. Here's the article from the reviewer who attended the concert to refresh your memory.

http://rocksubculture.com/2016/03/01/prince-piano-and-a-microphone-at-paramount-theatre-oakland-california-2282016-concert-review-photos/

Here's the line:

"The theme throughout the show, “we need a new story”, was on Prince’s mind from the start."

Thanks for that link -sounds like an amazing time

The old story lasted decades and it was such a great read

SunnyGirl8 said:

30yearfan said:

Holy cow. This is getting crazy. The girl in the mirror is just too much. I knew songs on Planet Earth referred to her. But wow, just wow. lol I feel like I took the blue pill in the Matrix. lol

I know and she's dressed just like the cover of Skin on Skin album (see when she sits down). I have to admit I was stunned when I saw it too!

Do you have any thoughts/references for the blindfold in their costumes etc over the years?

[Edited 5/29/16 19:57pm]

I'll do a little digging and see what I can find. I know he had his eyes covered with a blindfold during computer blue in Purple Rain and on the tour. This might have been something very intimate between the two of them. I don't want to speculate on something like that. I need to re watch that Somewhere Here on Earth video again. I'm still trippin on it.

Vashtix said:

beachy said:

.

I have a few guesses about why he did this.

.

1) It was a way to communicate with her without going directly to her and risk being rejected outright. He may have felt he couldn't survive a direct rejection so continually tried to woo her and seduce her through music without giving an ultimatum.

,

2) With these films he could develop a theme and show her how he felt about her vs the other women in his life through music and video. An extended story which unfortunately she may not have seen, since it sounds like once he got the news that she had married that he pulled the videos from his shows.

,

3) He had problems expressing emotions other than through music because of his childhood and past experience.

.

4) No one really knew he still had feelings for her, his other women were well known, and he hid the messages quite well. Look how long it took for someone (us!) to discover what they meant.

.

5) All his art is basically an extended autobiography, especially regarding his story with Vanity. not just PR but UTCM also. Many songs and videos. It was his diary.

This thread has shown me that his art is autobiographical/his diary and what a precious gift to leave for us all. It is very special

Totally agree. I posted that a couple of days ago and we've found it's actually true!

I was just listening to Dance 4 Me (original) and it sounds A LOT like WDC.

purplegirl00 said:

Vashtix said:

This thread has shown me that his art is autobiographical/his diary and what a precious gift to leave for us all. It is very special

Don't forget that he was saying in one of the Oakland concerts that it was time for a NEW story. Why do we need a new story, because THE story had concluded. Here's the article from the reviewer who attended the concert to refresh your memory.

http://rocksubculture.com/2016/03/01/prince-piano-and-a-microphone-at-paramount-theatre-oakland-california-2282016-concert-review-photos/

Here's the line:

"The theme throughout the show, “we need a new story”, was on Prince’s mind from the start."

I was actually thinking about that the other day but it could mean two different things:

1. A literal brand new story or

2. Coming clean with the old story in light of the book he was going to publish

Hey guys,

Great stuff posted, just read the last few pages I missed today. I want to ponder on something: Vanity's, or Denise's rather, relationship with Prince was considered partially paternal. I do believe that her coming from rugged abuse, as she did, made her relationship/meeting with Prince that much more special. I know she was beautiful, angelic even (and I see certain photos of her and lack words due to how beautiful she is.), but she seemed much more. She was quite smart, incredibly intelligent. Incredibly troubled and I think after she left Prince that got worse because she was then on her own with drugs. I somehow believe that he was trying to save her all while trying to do so himself. A "beautiful ruin" sort of idea.

So my question is: do you think he found a maternal figure in Denise as she found a paternal one in him? For example, the image of the Rolling Stone cover they did is oddly hypnotizing, not because it's blatantly intriguing, but it's sexual, deviant, spiritual, and innocent. But I couldn't help but to notice in the photo that in someway it seemed like they were eachothers care taker, like a parent would be. ***Just my thoughts and am interested to hear if anyone wondered similar things.

It just doesn't make sense. Each day that passes with me reading it is increasingly eye-opening that it is much more than meets the surface. I've concluded that at this time I do not want to blame her passing on his death, but I am blaming fate/destiny for it. Not angrily or anything.. almost in a happy sense at this point, because it would prove the idea that human desire is love and no matter how elusive time is/how much time passes, certain things/people bring us a nostalgia that reminds us of who we are. I think Vanity was that to him, nostalgia. A happier and unpredictable time in his life was probably when he was with her. I mean he was Prince, but he wasn't Prince, the man we knew as the artist then, he was just becoming.

All in all, I think in someway that the nostalgia he had at the show just proved all theories of relentless desire and joy. I want us to remember that Prince was human, also. He did have feelings and he may not have shared them directly but in his art he did. I have little doubt as the days pass that his reason for paying homage surpasses just a memory and a good name. I do believe he was deeply broken? **May be the wrong choice of word**

Sorry for the commas and poor English, I type paragraphs on my phone. Lol.

30yearfan said:

SunnyGirl8 said:

I know and she's dressed just like the cover of Skin on Skin album (see when she sits down). I have to admit I was stunned when I saw it too!

Do you have any thoughts/references for the blindfold in their costumes etc over the years?

[Edited 5/29/16 19:57pm]

I'll do a little digging and see what I can find. I know he had his eyes covered with a blindfold during computer blue in Purple Rain and on the tour. This might have been something very intimate between the two of them. I don't want to speculate on something like that. I need to re watch that Somewhere Here on Earth video again. I'm still trippin on it.

Thanks

purplegirl00 said:

SunnyGirl8 said:

Hi Beachy I just watched a YouTube of Prince in 2009 and he said he was very happy in his life right now (10:20). He's asked whether he was thinking about someone special when he wrote the song Dance for Me on MPLSound album and he said "I was looking in the mirror when I wrote it." (6:45)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BizpQz9L1I

.

There are alot of songs that are clearly about her on every album and they can be picked out pretty quickly eg. Breakdown (2012) or Revelation (2014) etc. The problem post 2007 is getting hold of videos for them. It would appear alot of the later stuff doesn't have videos and if it does it's like him with a live band type thing. That means you need to work out what songs are 'hers' through interviews etc.

.

We know Hot Wit U (Nasty Girl Remix) is about her magnified and naked with bubbles on the bed (like Pretty Mess video) - that's the one we looked at the other day (1999).

.

Is there are particular time frame your after exactly (a year band)?

SAY WHAT! I wonder if those people at the press conference got that one. Here are the lyrics for Dance 4 Me in case anyone is wondering..

.

Eye like it when you dance cuz it gets me hot
Eye like it when you shake everything you got
Eye like it when you dance cuz it's so sexy
Eye like it when you dance 4 me

Eye like it when you think eye'm all alone
Ur the voice eye hear from the telephone
Tellin me all ur deepest fantasies
Eye like it when you dance 4 me...hallelujah

Eye like it when eye hear a knock
On my door
U r standing there in ur christian dior
Dark sunglasses in the pale moonlight
Eye like it when the scene is right
U can take ur wrap and lay it on the chair
If anybody finds it eye don't care
What we do 2gether makes history
Eye like it when you dance 4 me
Hallelujah

Ur flamenco eyes r all like jazz
With every other sip of what's in ur glass
The sexier you get
The more ur in2 my stash
Eye like it when you dance for me
Hallelujah

(dance... dance 4 me... dance... dance 4 me)

[Chorus x2]

Dance... dance... eye like it when you dance 4 me

[Edited 5/29/16 20:09pm]

[Edited 5/29/16 20:11pm]

And it was recorded 2008-early 2009

SunnyGirl8 said:

purplegirl00 said:

Don't forget that he was saying in one of the Oakland concerts that it was time for a NEW story. Why do we need a new story, because THE story had concluded. Here's the article from the reviewer who attended the concert to refresh your memory.

http://rocksubculture.com/2016/03/01/prince-piano-and-a-microphone-at-paramount-theatre-oakland-california-2282016-concert-review-photos/

Here's the line:

"The theme throughout the show, “we need a new story”, was on Prince’s mind from the start."

I was actually thinking about that the other day but it could mean two different things:

1. A literal brand new story or

2. Coming clean with the old story in light of the book he was going to publish

I think that Prince accredited a lot of his story to her, believe it or not. That is up for argument, but based on his behaviors? I don't doubt it. I don't want to be the one to say that Vanity helped Prince's success because that's not necessarily true as she was Prince's artist, project, and mold/as well as her own.. but I will say that a good portion of Pop culture and sub-genre's are to thank Vanity 6. Prince was like a Phil Spector to his artists. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that I think deep down he felt accountable for some of the behaviors Vanity had acted on after him and the story never ended because he to some degree always wanted her back as his. I think he took ownership of her, based on the facts, but an ownership out of love, heartbreak, and possible sadness. He launched her career and a good place in music history/80's history with Vanity/Vanity 6, but let's remember she had quite a few successes on her own because of him. That's why in every article & TV appearance the interviewers would mention Prince.

I think that he needed a new story because it was finally finished. There was no more to hope for because she was gone, and the chase stopped. The longing stopped, the emptiness had met it's end. She returned home to God, and it was bittersweet. To me that calls for a new story.

***Sorry for my crap writing/paragraphs yet again, I really need to get back on a cpu, lol. I hope it makes some sense x

wizardtelly said:

SunnyGirl8 said:

I was actually thinking about that the other day but it could mean two different things:

1. A literal brand new story or

2. Coming clean with the old story in light of the book he was going to publish

I think that Prince accredited a lot of his story to her, believe it or not. That is up for argument, but based on his behaviors? I don't doubt it. I don't want to be the one to say that Vanity helped Prince's success because that's not necessarily true as she was Prince's artist, project, and mold/as well as her own.. but I will say that a good portion of Pop culture and sub-genre's are to thank Vanity 6. Prince was like a Phil Spector to his artists. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that I think deep down he felt accountable for some of the behaviors Vanity had acted on after him and the story never ended because he to some degree always wanted her back as his. I think he took ownership of her, based on the facts, but an ownership out of love, heartbreak, and possible sadness. He launched her career and a good place in music history/80's history with Vanity/Vanity 6, but let's remember she had quite a few successes on her own because of him. That's why in every article & TV appearance the interviewers would mention Prince.

I think that he needed a new story because it was finally finished. There was no more to hope for because she was gone, and the chase stopped. The longing stopped, the emptiness had met it's end. She returned home to God, and it was bittersweet. To me that calls for a new story.

***Sorry for my crap writing/paragraphs yet again, I really need to get back on a cpu, lol. I hope it makes some sense x

That's what I think as well. That was one HELL of a diary!

SunnyGirl8 said:

purplegirl00 said:

SAY WHAT! I wonder if those people at the press conference got that one. Here are the lyrics for Dance 4 Me in case anyone is wondering..

.

Eye like it when you dance cuz it gets me hot
Eye like it when you shake everything you got
Eye like it when you dance cuz it's so sexy
Eye like it when you dance 4 me

Eye like it when you think eye'm all alone
Ur the voice eye hear from the telephone
Tellin me all ur deepest fantasies
Eye like it when you dance 4 me...hallelujah

Eye like it when eye hear a knock
On my door
U r standing there in ur christian dior
Dark sunglasses in the pale moonlight
Eye like it when the scene is right
U can take ur wrap and lay it on the chair
If anybody finds it eye don't care
What we do 2gether makes history
Eye like it when you dance 4 me
Hallelujah

Ur flamenco eyes r all like jazz
With every other sip of what's in ur glass
The sexier you get
The more ur in2 my stash
Eye like it when you dance for me
Hallelujah

(dance... dance 4 me... dance... dance 4 me)

[Chorus x2]

Dance... dance... eye like it when you dance 4 me

[Edited 5/29/16 20:09pm]

[Edited 5/29/16 20:11pm]

And it was recorded 2008-early 2009

We also have that performance at Montreux 2009 "I Love U But I Don't Trust You Anymore" where he says in the middle of the "favorite protege" lyric- "the 80's" and "It's better now".

purplegirl00 said:

wizardtelly said:

I think that Prince accredited a lot of his story to her, believe it or not. That is up for argument, but based on his behaviors? I don't doubt it. I don't want to be the one to say that Vanity helped Prince's success because that's not necessarily true as she was Prince's artist, project, and mold/as well as her own.. but I will say that a good portion of Pop culture and sub-genre's are to thank Vanity 6. Prince was like a Phil Spector to his artists. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that I think deep down he felt accountable for some of the behaviors Vanity had acted on after him and the story never ended because he to some degree always wanted her back as his. I think he took ownership of her, based on the facts, but an ownership out of love, heartbreak, and possible sadness. He launched her career and a good place in music history/80's history with Vanity/Vanity 6, but let's remember she had quite a few successes on her own because of him. That's why in every article & TV appearance the interviewers would mention Prince.

I think that he needed a new story because it was finally finished. There was no more to hope for because she was gone, and the chase stopped. The longing stopped, the emptiness had met it's end. She returned home to God, and it was bittersweet. To me that calls for a new story.

***Sorry for my crap writing/paragraphs yet again, I really need to get back on a cpu, lol. I hope it makes some sense x

That's what I think as well. That was one HELL of a diary!

It's diary we would all like to read

[Edited 5/29/16 21:03pm]

purplegirl00 said:

wizardtelly said:

I think that Prince accredited a lot of his story to her, believe it or not. That is up for argument, but based on his behaviors? I don't doubt it. I don't want to be the one to say that Vanity helped Prince's success because that's not necessarily true as she was Prince's artist, project, and mold/as well as her own.. but I will say that a good portion of Pop culture and sub-genre's are to thank Vanity 6. Prince was like a Phil Spector to his artists. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that I think deep down he felt accountable for some of the behaviors Vanity had acted on after him and the story never ended because he to some degree always wanted her back as his. I think he took ownership of her, based on the facts, but an ownership out of love, heartbreak, and possible sadness. He launched her career and a good place in music history/80's history with Vanity/Vanity 6, but let's remember she had quite a few successes on her own because of him. That's why in every article & TV appearance the interviewers would mention Prince.

I think that he needed a new story because it was finally finished. There was no more to hope for because she was gone, and the chase stopped. The longing stopped, the emptiness had met it's end. She returned home to God, and it was bittersweet. To me that calls for a new story.

***Sorry for my crap writing/paragraphs yet again, I really need to get back on a cpu, lol. I hope it makes some sense x

That's what I think as well. That was one HELL of a diary!

I am still hypnotized by it ; his diary touched so many, so many- even in death he is amazing me

wizardtelly said:

Hey guys,

Great stuff posted, just read the last few pages I missed today. I want to ponder on something: Vanity's, or Denise's rather, relationship with Prince was considered partially paternal. I do believe that her coming from rugged abuse, as she did, made her relationship/meeting with Prince that much more special. I know she was beautiful, angelic even (and I see certain photos of her and lack words due to how beautiful she is.), but she seemed much more. She was quite smart, incredibly intelligent. Incredibly troubled and I think after she left Prince that got worse because she was then on her own with drugs. I somehow believe that he was trying to save her all while trying to do so himself. A "beautiful ruin" sort of idea.

So my question is: do you think he found a maternal figure in Denise as she found a paternal one in him? For example, the image of the Rolling Stone cover they did is oddly hypnotizing, not because it's blatantly intriguing, but it's sexual, deviant, spiritual, and innocent. But I couldn't help but to notice in the photo that in someway it seemed like they were eachothers care taker, like a parent would be. ***Just my thoughts and am interested to hear if anyone wondered similar things.

It just doesn't make sense. Each day that passes with me reading it is increasingly eye-opening that it is much more than meets the surface. I've concluded that at this time I do not want to blame her passing on his death, but I am blaming fate/destiny for it. Not angrily or anything.. almost in a happy sense at this point, because it would prove the idea that human desire is love and no matter how elusive time is/how much time passes, certain things/people bring us a nostalgia that reminds us of who we are. I think Vanity was that to him, nostalgia. A happier and unpredictable time in his life was probably when he was with her. I mean he was Prince, but he wasn't Prince, the man we knew as the artist then, he was just becoming.

All in all, I think in someway that the nostalgia he had at the show just proved all theories of relentless desire and joy. I want us to remember that Prince was human, also. He did have feelings and he may not have shared them directly but in his art he did. I have little doubt as the days pass that his reason for paying homage surpasses just a memory and a good name. I do believe he was deeply broken? **May be the wrong choice of word**

Sorry for the commas and poor English, I type paragraphs on my phone. Lol.

I was thinking the same that she was with him before he was the megastar and all of them back then knew Prince in a different way than those that came after Purple Rain

It makes the relationship different than the ones after ; I totally agree

wizardtelly said:

SunnyGirl8 said:

I was actually thinking about that the other day but it could mean two different things:

1. A literal brand new story or

2. Coming clean with the old story in light of the book he was going to publish

I think that Prince accredited a lot of his story to her, believe it or not. That is up for argument, but based on his behaviors? I don't doubt it. I don't want to be the one to say that Vanity helped Prince's success because that's not necessarily true as she was Prince's artist, project, and mold/as well as her own.. but I will say that a good portion of Pop culture and sub-genre's are to thank Vanity 6. Prince was like a Phil Spector to his artists. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that I think deep down he felt accountable for some of the behaviors Vanity had acted on after him and the story never ended because he to some degree always wanted her back as his. I think he took ownership of her, based on the facts, but an ownership out of love, heartbreak, and possible sadness. He launched her career and a good place in music history/80's history with Vanity/Vanity 6, but let's remember she had quite a few successes on her own because of him. That's why in every article & TV appearance the interviewers would mention Prince.

I think that he needed a new story because it was finally finished. There was no more to hope for because she was gone, and the chase stopped. The longing stopped, the emptiness had met it's end. She returned home to God, and it was bittersweet. To me that calls for a new story.

***Sorry for my crap writing/paragraphs yet again, I really need to get back on a cpu, lol. I hope it makes some sense x

Neither one had real parents, nor a real home growing up. They were orphans, abused children. When they found each other they became each others parents, lovers, best friends. That produced a very deep and strong bond neither one could shake. He says in WDC How can you leave me standing Alone in a world that's so cold. When she left it must have been like the abandonment he felt as a child from his parents, only this time it was the most beautiful woman in the world that rejected him.

I don't think it was possible for him to find a new story, his was too deeply bound up with hers. Like that artwork of the woman and man with hearts connected that he posted on twitter, you could not cut them apart without killing both.

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beachy said:

wizardtelly said:

I think that Prince accredited a lot of his story to her, believe it or not. That is up for argument, but based on his behaviors? I don't doubt it. I don't want to be the one to say that Vanity helped Prince's success because that's not necessarily true as she was Prince's artist, project, and mold/as well as her own.. but I will say that a good portion of Pop culture and sub-genre's are to thank Vanity 6. Prince was like a Phil Spector to his artists. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that I think deep down he felt accountable for some of the behaviors Vanity had acted on after him and the story never ended because he to some degree always wanted her back as his. I think he took ownership of her, based on the facts, but an ownership out of love, heartbreak, and possible sadness. He launched her career and a good place in music history/80's history with Vanity/Vanity 6, but let's remember she had quite a few successes on her own because of him. That's why in every article & TV appearance the interviewers would mention Prince.

I think that he needed a new story because it was finally finished. There was no more to hope for because she was gone, and the chase stopped. The longing stopped, the emptiness had met it's end. She returned home to God, and it was bittersweet. To me that calls for a new story.

***Sorry for my crap writing/paragraphs yet again, I really need to get back on a cpu, lol. I hope it makes some sense x

Neither one had real parents, nor a real home growing up. They were orphans, abused children. When they found each other they became each others parents, lovers, best friends. That produced a very deep and strong bond neither one could shake.

I don't think it was possible for him to find a new story, his was too deeply bound up with hers. Like that artwork of the woman and man with hearts connected that he posted on twitter, you could not cut them apart without killing both.

YES!

purplegirl00 said:

beachy said:

Neither one had real parents, nor a real home growing up. They were orphans, abused children. When they found each other they became each others parents, lovers, best friends. That produced a very deep and strong bond neither one could shake.

I don't think it was possible for him to find a new story, his was too deeply bound up with hers. Like that artwork of the woman and man with hearts connected that he posted on twitter, you could not cut them apart without killing both.

YES!

Bingo, that is what he meant when he said that “Her and I used to love each other deeply. She loved me for the artist I was, I loved her for the artist she was trying to be,”

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Goddess4Real said:

purplegirl00 said:

YES!

Bingo, that is what he meant when he said that “Her and I used to love each other deeply. She loved me for the artist I was, I loved her for the artist she was trying to be,”

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Spot on.

Prince kept underestimating her. First he thought he could play around on her and get away with it. Then he thought he could replace her with another girlfriend and with another actress. He tried a few different wives too. Now he thought he could write a new story. nope.

Beachy - I just thought I'm sure Prince made that same comment about the mirror about the song Cream. He got a real ribbing about it.

beachy said: