lauralevesque said:

prodigalfan said:

never heard this before. And the hits just keeping coming... Really Mayte?? I like Mayte... and I am still on Team Mayte... but she needs to have a seat. Please please don't do another season of this show. It is really messing up your image of sweet and pretty. Now coming off as a crazy bitch. It is not a good look for you.

It was all part of the Tommy Lee documentary- It shows them walking into the therapists office and sitting down and he does a voice over saying something like, "I love Mayte- she's such a sweet girl but we've got issues to work on before we can get married" ( I think they were actually engaged at the time) it was just very strange. Like, really? Should they really be getting married? And yes, this show is definately changing the way I see her, unfortunately. I'm feeling like she doesn't just want a "man" she wants a "rock star" and I also see (where I didn't before) her mother's "stage mother" type- role in all of this. I don't know....

Well I'mma have to pump breaks here , because I strongly support pre-marital counseling/therapy. The point of the experience is to examine closely and honestly whether a couple is really suitable for one another, and if so-give them the behavioral and communication tools they'll need to shore up their marriage, and be unified psychologically & emotionally and remain on the same page. In my view, if more people would engage in pre-marital counseling /therapy we wouldn't have so many shi*ty marriages out there enveloped in toxic behaviors and bad communication, or those break down at the first sign of trial or tribulation. I see pre-marital therapy/counseling as a very constructive means to a clear and positive end. I say kudos to any couple out there having the foresight to know that marriage and relationships are not all wine and roses, & seek out the tools they might need to figure out the whole "Life Together 101" thing.

..and oh, I disagree about the rock star point; she said in episode 2(?) already that she doesn't want to date any more musicians, and as we could see on the Napa trip, was willing to go for someone who is about as far from music as could be, Mr. Pepe Le Pew who owned the winery. I do agree that Mama Nelly does have a little bit of that "Mama Rose-from -Gypsy-Rose-Lee" thing in her. But thus far I haven't found her offensively so.

*the WTF is wrong with my punctuation edit*

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Ottensen said:

lauralevesque said:

It was all part of the Tommy Lee documentary- It shows them walking into the therapists office and sitting down and he does a voice over saying something like, "I love Mayte- she's such a sweet girl but we've got issues to work on before we can get married" ( I think they were actually engaged at the time) it was just very strange. Like, really? Should they really be getting married? And yes, this show is definately changing the way I see her, unfortunately. I'm feeling like she doesn't just want a "man" she wants a "rock star" and I also see (where I didn't before) her mother's "stage mother" type- role in all of this. I don't know....

Well I'mma have to pump breaks here , because I strongly support pre-marital counseling/therapy. The point of the experience is to examine closely and honestly whether a couple is really suitable for one another, and if so-give them the behavioral and communication tools they'll need to shore up their marriage and be unified psychologically and emotionally and remain on the same page. In my view, if more people would engage in pre-marital counseling and therapy we wouldn't have so many shi*ty marriages out there enveloped in toxic behaviors and bad communication, or those break down at the first sign of trial or tribulation. I see pre-marital therapy/counseling as a very constructive means to a clear and positive end, so I say kudos to any couple out there having the foresight to know that marriage and relationships are not all wine and roses seek out the tools they might need to figure out the whole "Life Together 101" thing.

..and oh, I disagree about the rock star point; she said in episode 2(?) already that she doesn't want to date any more musicians, and as we could see on the Napa trip, was willing to go for someone who is about as far from music as could be, Mr. Pepe Le Pew who owned the winery. I do agree that Mama Nelly does have a little bit of that "Mama Rose-from -Gypsy-Rose-Lee" thing in her. But thus far I haven't found her offensively so.

Futher proof that Tommy Lee is no fool and is more "normal" than he looks.

Tommy may look grimy but I think he is a solid grounded guy who really cared about Mayte.

Now Mayte digging on that Pepe Le Pew rich vineyard owner guy to then get set up with Mr. Busted Poindexter don't know how to eat spaghetti on that blind date had me saying "Nicole, what were you thinking!"

See, Nicole ain't gonna set you up with something she would want, Mayte you on your own with that one honey... if you want a rich man you will need to snatch him up yourself. I would go back to Nana valley and find someone there...

I think she should do a season two and learns from the experience... Mayte is getting all sorts of mean tweets now and I think it will be interesting where Mayte goes from here. Her story isn't done... "Will Mayte freeze her eggs?" "Will she find that rich guy WE ALL dream of?"

Stay tuned....

Lord Jesus please do not let Pepa be on the next season.

paintedlady said:

Ottensen said:

Well I'mma have to pump breaks here , because I strongly support pre-marital counseling/therapy. The point of the experience is to examine closely and honestly whether a couple is really suitable for one another, and if so-give them the behavioral and communication tools they'll need to shore up their marriage and be unified psychologically and emotionally and remain on the same page. In my view, if more people would engage in pre-marital counseling and therapy we wouldn't have so many shi*ty marriages out there enveloped in toxic behaviors and bad communication, or those break down at the first sign of trial or tribulation. I see pre-marital therapy/counseling as a very constructive means to a clear and positive end, so I say kudos to any couple out there having the foresight to know that marriage and relationships are not all wine and roses seek out the tools they might need to figure out the whole "Life Together 101" thing.

..and oh, I disagree about the rock star point; she said in episode 2(?) already that she doesn't want to date any more musicians, and as we could see on the Napa trip, was willing to go for someone who is about as far from music as could be, Mr. Pepe Le Pew who owned the winery. I do agree that Mama Nelly does have a little bit of that "Mama Rose-from -Gypsy-Rose-Lee" thing in her. But thus far I haven't found her offensively so.

Futher proof that Tommy Lee is no fool and is more "normal" than he looks.

Tommy may look grimy but I think he is a solid grounded guy who really cared about Mayte.

Now Mayte digging on that Pepe Le Pew rich vineyard owner guy to then get set up with Mr. Busted Poindexter don't know how to eat spaghetti on that blind date had me saying "Nicole, what were you thinking!"

See, Nicole ain't gonna set you up with something she would want, Mayte you on your own with that one honey... if you want a rich man you will need to snatch him up yourself. I would go back to Nana valley and find someone there...

I think she should do a season two and learns from the experience... Mayte is getting all sorts of mean tweets now and I think it will be interesting where Mayte goes from here. Her story isn't done... "Will Mayte freeze her eggs?" "Will she find that rich guy WE ALL dream of?"

Stay tuned....

Lord Jesus please do not let Pepa be on the next season.

Whoo lawd, and you know when you're pushing 40, that ain't none of that gon' be no easy feat... oh, and how come when I read that bold part I could hear the tv announcer's voice from All My Children or Days of Our Lives? That took me strait back to 70's soap operas

Ottensen said:

paintedlady said:

Futher proof that Tommy Lee is no fool and is more "normal" than he looks.

Tommy may look grimy but I think he is a solid grounded guy who really cared about Mayte.

Now Mayte digging on that Pepe Le Pew rich vineyard owner guy to then get set up with Mr. Busted Poindexter don't know how to eat spaghetti on that blind date had me saying "Nicole, what were you thinking!"

See, Nicole ain't gonna set you up with something she would want, Mayte you on your own with that one honey... if you want a rich man you will need to snatch him up yourself. I would go back to Nana valley and find someone there...

I think she should do a season two and learns from the experience... Mayte is getting all sorts of mean tweets now and I think it will be interesting where Mayte goes from here. Her story isn't done... "Will Mayte freeze her eggs?" "Will she find that rich guy WE ALL dream of?"

Stay tuned....

Lord Jesus please do not let Pepa be on the next season.

Whoo lawd, and you know when you're pushing 40, that ain't none of that gon' be no easy feat... oh, and how come when I read that bold part I could hear the tv announcer's voice from All My Children or Days of Our Lives? That took me strait back to 70's soap operas

IKR?!

Oh yes, but I think there-in lies the appeal to all these reality shows... these shows touch on that exact same nerve that the soaps used how we all thought it was "real" life played out on the small screen.

What I wouldn't give to see Mayte (Linda Evans) and Manuela (Alexis) do a knock ,drag out, hair pulling, face slapping, diamond earring flying, catfight ala Dynasty style ....

Let me state again I know the pain of losing children.With that being said Mayte needs to take some control of her own life.If she truly wants a child adopt.Sometimes you have to be realistic and go a route you don't want to get what you want.Plus why is prince always being blamed for her problems.I'm sure living with him isn't easy but she choose to stay.Even after the divorce .She sat their on the view when he said that b.s about not believing in contracts.Now because of the heat she's taking on the net she's claiming she was misunderstood.I'm not saying she didn't have it rough.She's a 38 yr old woman who made choices.

starafree said:

Let me state again I know the pain of losing children.With that being said Mayte needs to take some control of her own life.If she truly wants a child adopt.Sometimes you have to be realistic and go a route you don't want to get what you want.Plus why is prince always being blamed for her problems.I'm sure living with him isn't easy but she choose to stay.Even after the divorce .She sat their on the view when he said that b.s about not believing in contracts.Now because of the heat she's taking on the net she's claiming she was misunderstood.I'm not saying she didn't have it rough.She's a 38 yr old woman who made choices.

IMO I think Mayte really wants a perfect man (rich) more than she wants a child....but that's just my opinion.

paintedlady said:

starafree said:

Let me state again I know the pain of losing children.With that being said Mayte needs to take some control of her own life.If she truly wants a child adopt.Sometimes you have to be realistic and go a route you don't want to get what you want.Plus why is prince always being blamed for her problems.I'm sure living with him isn't easy but she choose to stay.Even after the divorce .She sat their on the view when he said that b.s about not believing in contracts.Now because of the heat she's taking on the net she's claiming she was misunderstood.I'm not saying she didn't have it rough.She's a 38 yr old woman who made choices.

IMO I think Mayte really wants a perfect man (rich) more than she wants a child....but that's just my opinion.

I totally agree with you.I think she's pulled that i'm so innocent act for so long.People can't see she's not the sweet girl she pretends to be.

Okay I FINALLY got a chance to see this.

I wanted to watch it yesterday, but y'all it was one of those days, I tell you.

Here's my take:

Urrybody in this episode was f***ed up wrong from beginning to end.

But I will say this: there is clearly a lot more that went on in Palm Springs than what we're being shown, because this was all edited so poorly that the conflict between Mayte and Jessica was totally choppy and made zero sense.

Here's the thing, having worked in the reality show format before (glamour squad stuff), I pretty much stand behind the fact that situations are staged, coached, instigated, but not scripted. It's an ugly environment and gawd bless anyone who can emerge from that BS unscathed. That being said, I am very curious to know what things Jessica said about her abortion to Mayte that did not make the previous ahows and ended up on the cutting room floor to evoke the reaction that it did, because the show as we saw it makes no sense. Additionally I am burning to know what words were said to each woman before they went into their group setting at the restaurant, because what often happens is that each person is talked to/hyped up to get their point across when their is a conflict. That's my objective 2 cents, and it will be interesting to see how this plays out over the next 2 episodes

Now as for the rest:

Andrea: Chile, I'm still sensing a little from Percy with that jacked up metrosexual manscaping on his face In his defense though, I don't see anything wrong with his manner of being, because at the end of the day, not every man is a street thug mofo, and he simply may have just had a a more genteel upbringing. But I'mma still need him to do something with them eyebrows

Also, Andrea mentioned there was a point when Jessica called them all hypocrites: we didn't see that part when the girls were bickering/going back and forth last week, ao again, I really am at the point of

"What really happened in Palm Springs?"

She also seems to be a little perturbed with Jessica in her confessionals so I'm wondering what got her to that point.

Sheree: Lawd, the Church Lady put on big girl panties, did the right thing and discussed her issues with Jessica privately in a mature fashion like a grown adult . She scores a 8/10 for that one. However you get a 2/10 for your wanting to be present when you encouraged Mayte to do the same thing- because by inserting yourself into the equation, I only saw a castmate manipulating a situation to make sure she got camera time . I believe you when you say you know when you're in the flesh, but I don't know if I can always trust you to know when to keep yourself out of it.

Nicole: Anybody in here notice that Nicole cusses ALOT ? I like her, though, and just pray that her on-screen coolness and impartiality doesn't evolve into the Shaunie O'Neal Syndrome that puppetmastered the travesty (and near undoing) that became Basketball Wives. In other news, Ialso noticed that she wasn't even remotely trying to not eat after that blow-up. Nicole was like, ain't nobody thinking about these crazy heffas, I'm about to get my eat on

Jessica: Clearly a good mom that loves her baby & it's a damn shame her ex-husband is such a dead beat in terms of being present to help guide his daughter into young womanhood. Also, I appreciate that as a woman she knows how and when to apologize to her friends. However....it's what gets Jessica to the point of having to put herself into a position to apologize is what makes my butt itch. Jessica has a reckless mouth that desends straight into passive agressive behavior when she gets called on it, and she has a very nasty, subversive way of needling and needling a person with her word choices to the point of them exploding. Now mind you, this is a woman who's already admitted on camera that she likes to fuck things up, so she's no stranger to her own behavior. I just wonder if there will be any growth there and if she's going to hang that up. I believe her when she says she doesn't want to lose friendships, but but she's going to have to do some work on them loose lips and and her passive aggressive commentary.

and the best for last...

Mayte:

Girl. Just no. Let me tell you, I clearly see the points of no return where Jessica manipulates a converstaion into passive agressive territory, and needles a sore point of conversation until the scab starts bleeding....but Mayte was doing waaaay too much in this episode.

1. This takes me back to wanting to know what exactly what the hell Jess was saying to her in Palm Springs or about her abortion in general -because her reaction in this makes no sense in the context in which it was presented onscreen. Also, one of her confessional comments about her Jessica issues felt oddly misplaced and was cut horribly. Enquiring minds want to know.

2. Chile, get'chu a new doctor . Chili from TLC was 39 when she decided to freeze her eggs, and even Celine Dion had her eggs implanted for twins at 42. You betta listen to some CeCe Winans when she sings "It Ain't Over" and follow that up with some "Don't Stop Believing" from Journey, because you are getting addicted to your hardhship and it's not going to help you in the long run. It's time to get some faith that's at least the size of a mustard seed, and for the love of G-d, work on not misplacing your anger with your ex-husband on other people . Jessica has moments where she is a jerk to be sure, but what this really boils down to is that you are angry with your ex-husband. You gotta work that out, Mama. Because in the end, you will only end up hurting people who don't really deserve it, including yourself. You have a right to feel what you feel, and get it out your system after all these years of silence, but do not let devil's confusion bring you down into the pit where misery becomes your comfort zone.

BTW, who all here from women who have been in long term relationships can tell that this girl never had a closure conversation with her ex-husband about everything that went down between them? Raise ya hands I'm telling you, that s**t is unresolved, and Mayte needs to go talk to Inyanla Van Sant, or somebody.

paintedlady said:

Ottensen said:

Whoo lawd, and you know when you're pushing 40, that ain't none of that gon' be no easy feat... oh, and how come when I read that bold part I could hear the tv announcer's voice from All My Children or Days of Our Lives? That took me strait back to 70's soap operas

IKR?!

Oh yes, but I think there-in lies the appeal to all these reality shows... these shows touch on that exact same nerve that the soaps used how we all thought it was "real" life played out on the small screen.

What I wouldn't give to see Mayte (Linda Evans) and Manuela (Alexis) do a knock ,drag out, hair pulling, face slapping, diamond earring flying, catfight ala Dynasty style ....

OMG they DO have the potential to be the the Paisley Park equivilent of Alexis and Krystle Carrington. The only thing missing is the string orchestra

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For anyone interested, here's a fairly recent 10 minute audio interview Nicole did with radio personality DJ Egypt. She chats about the show and her needing to get a breast enhancement because breastfeeding made her titties hang like teabags

Egypt Talks To “Hollywo...mp; Gossip

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naffi said:

sharonbell said:

I agree.

Do you notice Mayte always has the "least" to say? She can't talk about Prince or anything to do with their relationship, and she does not appear to have ever come into her own. She has only seen herself as being the wife, or ex wife of Prince, without really moving on. She just hasn't moved on. Perhaps the show is forcing her to conjure up a painful experience she managed to bury. I do think that episode with Jessica was scripted because quite frankly, although she is a sweet lady and likeable, she has the least to offer and comes off as the most boring of the group. The producers are trying to carve a niche for her but that one makes her look like a disturbed person. She does need therapy. She is still mourning her losses but does not know how to cope with it. She needs therapy for not only losing her babies, but being married to Prince! Although I love him as an artist, I can tell he can be a piece of work. I do NOT like Mayte's mother either, she pushed her daughter on Prince to use him, now is coming out in public and saying those things.

I think that is the biggest problem, Mayte cannot open up properly about her life,I cannot imagine what it must be like to carry so much around from such a young age too! I think she needs to get it out either through music ( Prince does) or actual break whatever agreement keeps her quiet, really how long can it be valid/enforced for, seriously her sanity is at stake?! I wonder how much the producers know they can reveal about Prince and Mayte before they risk being sued? [Edited 8/9/12 19:15pm]

It's called therapy and she should of had some long time ago. 15 years later and you are still stuck you have too many damn issues.

Okay so I finally watched the episode.

I don't see what Jessica had to apologize for. She didn't bring up the abortion and whatever her reason were, they were her reasons.

Mayte needs to get a grip, get therapy and find out why she is stuck 15 years in the past. Again, not saying get over it, but move the hell on already.

Stop holding on to things that keep reminding you of things that are hurtful in your past.

Mayte is one of those energy draining friends.....you can't talk about this, it might upset her, don't talk about that, it might upset her. Jeeeezzzzz is there any issue this woman doesn't subscribe too? And the other two co-signing on her bs. SORRY, a real friend would tell her, as Jessica said, you are crazy and need help.

She cleansed her house, but has yet to cleanse her soul.....that is what needs to be done. Get rid of your past, nothing is going to change it and holding on to the hurt only hurts you.....everyone else has let it go.

That bio-clock be doing some crazy things. I'm willing to bet she thought she had gotten over a lot of things but coming to face that she may never have her own surrounded by women who constantly talk about theirs is playing with her head, thinking she should have a 15 yo son now. She's cracking

So Sheree lives in LA and her husband lives in SD? Now to me that's crazy. I mean all for Will's son that don't sound right at all. That boy is pretty much grown let him go. 'Les she got a serious business in LA.

BklynDiamond said:

naffi said:

sharonbell said: I think that is the biggest problem, Mayte cannot open up properly about her life,I cannot imagine what it must be like to carry so much around from such a young age too! I think she needs to get it out either through music ( Prince does) or actual break whatever agreement keeps her quiet, really how long can it be valid/enforced for, seriously her sanity is at stake?! I wonder how much the producers know they can reveal about Prince and Mayte before they risk being sued? [Edited 8/9/12 19:15pm]

It's called therapy and she should of had some long time ago. 15 years later and you are still stuck you have too many damn issues.

Totally agree. What exactly would she accomplish by putting her exes business out on the streets and how would that keep her from going insane, that just makes no kind of sense to me.

Women (famous/nonfamous) have been in far worse relationships than hers and have survived with their mental faculties intact. Part of healing also includes taking some responsibility for the choices that you made and realize what role you played. Some people don't take to therapy well, because it would be like holding up a mirror to one's self.

In the 12 years that they have been divorced, if she did not get closure while doing the pretend annullment, and then during the actual divorce and then while continuing to live with him after the divorce, then I am going to say she missed her chances. What man or women in their right mind, is going to want to listen to an ex complain about "how bad you hurt me" some 12 years later. Not me and not anybody I know and definitely not Prince, dude probably wasn't trying to hear it when they were together. Then again he probably heard it/talked about it so many times with her (we don't know) She seems like the type to want to into the ground till eventually the other person just doesn't give a f*** anymore, just sayin.

So if she needs closure she better go see a therapist or reign the "crazy" in and keeping it moving.

Ottensen said:

But I will say this: there is clearly a lot more that went on in Palm Springs than what we're being shown, because this was all edited so poorly that the conflict between Mayte and Jessica was totally choppy and made zero sense.

Here's the thing, having worked in the reality show format before (glamour squad stuff), I pretty much stand behind the fact that situations are staged, coached, instigated, but not scripted. It's an ugly environment and gawd bless anyone who can emerge from that BS unscathed. That being said, I am very curious to know what things Jessica said about her abortion to Mayte that did not make the previous ahows and ended up on the cutting room floor to evoke the reaction that it did, because the show as we saw it makes no sense. Additionally I am burning to know what words were said to each woman before they went into their group setting at the restaurant, because what often happens is that each person is talked to/hyped up to get their point across when their is a conflict. That's my objective 2 cents, and it will be interesting to see how this plays out over the next 2 episodes

Felt the same way. Something was a little off. Imma have to catch up on this thread now. I miss this place sometimes

morningsong said:

That bio-clock be doing some crazy things. I'm willing to bet she thought she had gotten over a lot of things but coming to face that she may never have her own surrounded by women who constantly talk about theirs is playing with her head, thinking she should have a 15 yo son now. She's cracking

So Sheree lives in LA and her husband lives in SD? Now to me that's crazy. I mean all for Will's son that don't sound right at all. That boy is pretty much grown let him go. 'Les she got a serious business in LA.

"Whoop Ash" creme? I don't call starting a small product line she can run on facebook "bigtime" I only see her staying in LA for the reality show.

I do not understand why Sheree is leaving her man in San Diego. She is wrong for that, but she did say that she didn't want to be known as "the preacher's wife".... and that she felt like she was Mrs. Will Smith and wanted to make her own mark.... or something like that.

As far as Mayte...

I didn't read all the posts so what I have to say might have already been said, but here's my two cents on the last episode.

Mayte done lost her damn mind. Jessica's abortion has not a damn thang to do with Mayte. Mayte jumping in Jessica's shit about having an abortion and her not being sensitive to Mayte's plight is a freakin crock. PLUS, bible-thumpin, sanctified Sheree started the shit by puttin Jessica's bidness on blast. She had no right to do that shit, and Jessica should have checked her ass from the jump. But Mayte pulling that pity card was downright childish and stupid. Hopefully this mess was scripted and Mayte was just going with the flow. IF she was serious, I've lost a bit of the respect I did have for her. Jessica's abortion had no a damn thing to do with her and she should have kept her stupid mouth shet, not shut, we goin bottom here, SHET, dammit! It's been damn near 16 years since you lost your first-born. Seems to me she would have been resolved to the fact that she might not have any children. If she is so hell bent on having a child, there are hundreds of thousand of children waiting for adoption. She's already amassed a menagerie, what's the problem with starting an adopted family? If she can't carry a child now, get a surrogate.

Well

I watched the episode partly. I always heard that Prince had issues... it appears Mayte has them as well.

She did say before that "everyone has issues".

She is very dramatic. Now it makes sense when Prince said in the interview he wished he could stop his wife from crying.

I always inferred the idea that Prince felt helpless in 'fixing" nature's tragedy to make his wife happy.

Now I think he just wanted her to just STOP CRYING.

I don't condone Prince straying... there was a better way to deal with it... but I can see how it things flowed to happen.

It seems Mayte comfort zone is misery. After 15 years, it should be a sad moment but to break down and flip out like that because another woman chose MANY YEARS AGO to not have her unborn baby...

My mother lost a child at the age of 4 from a violent sudden death. My mother in law loss a baby at 7 months to crib death. I have never seen either of these women flip out about their children's deaths. They are sad, and grieve, but never go off on anyone for their own life choices.

And these women were RAISING their children.. they had them long enough to form strong bonds and memories (especially my mom).

I think Mayte doesn't WANT to move on... she doesn't really want to have a baby... she wants THAT baby.... hers and Prince's that passed away. And that is of course not possible.

Because if she wanted A baby, she would have one. Halle had one. And she picked a baby daddy from hell... but she GOT HER BABY. Angela Basset had hers... (surrogate). Run DMC and wife got their babies (adoption). So really if Mayte wants to become a mother... GET ON WITH IT.

Stop whining about not meeting the handsome, rich man who will sweep you off your feet and marry you before have your baby. Michelle Pfeiffer got tired of waitng for the Mr Right and adopted her baby. She was obviouslyhappy and in a good place about that decision so that when Mr. Right came along, she was in the right place to receive him. And he gladly took her WITH her adopted baby.

Jessica is coming out to look pretty good after this episode. I am impressed with her sincerity with wanting to do the right thing for her daughter. The fact that she is unafraid to discuss her own mistakes as a teen shows courage... not callous.

Many many women have found themselves in similar predictaments and made similar choices for the same reason. They just don't talk about it.

prodigalfan said:

Well

I watched the episode partly. I always heard that Prince had issues... it appears Mayte has them as well.

She did say before that "everyone has issues".

She is very dramatic. Now it makes sense when Prince said in the interview he wished he could stop his wife from crying.

I always inferred the idea that Prince felt helpless in 'fixing" nature's tragedy to make his wife happy.

Now I think he just wanted her to just STOP CRYING.

I don't condone Prince straying... there was a better way to deal with it... but I can see how it things flowed to happen.

It seems Mayte comfort zone is misery. After 15 years, it should be a sad moment but to break down and flip out like that because another woman chose MANY YEARS AGO to not have her unborn baby...

My mother lost a child at the age of 4 from a violent sudden death. My mother in law loss a baby at 7 months to crib death. I have never seen either of these women flip out about their children's deaths. They are sad, and grieve, but never go off on anyone for their own life choices.

And these women were RAISING their children.. they had them long enough to form strong bonds and memories (especially my mom).

I think Mayte doesn't WANT to move on... she doesn't really want to have a baby... she wants THAT baby.... hers and Prince's that passed away. And that is of course not possible.

Because if she wanted A baby, she would have one. Halle had one. And she picked a baby daddy from hell... but she GOT HER BABY. Angela Basset had hers... (surrogate). Run DMC and wife got their babies (adoption). So really if Mayte wants to become a mother... GET ON WITH IT.

Stop whining about not meeting the handsome, rich man who will sweep you off your feet and marry you before have your baby. Michelle Pfeiffer got tired of waitng for the Mr Right and adopted her baby. She was obviouslyhappy and in a good place about that decision so that when Mr. Right came along, she was in the right place to receive him. And he gladly took her WITH her adopted baby.

Jessica is coming out to look pretty good after this episode. I am impressed with her sincerity with wanting to do the right thing for her daughter. The fact that she is unafraid to discuss her own mistakes as a teen shows courage... not callous.

Many many women have found themselves in similar predictaments and made similar choices for the same reason. They just don't talk about it.

This is the most spot on assessment I have read as of yet on this situation. I agree with ALL of this. Some of it is a bit harsh to say but seems to be the truth (or as much as we can see to be the way it is) - I especially see now why it may have ended with P and her relationship. She does seem to not be able to "deal" very well. What happened to them was terrible but like you said, terrible things happen to all of us (unfortunately) all the time. I'm sorry btw, about your mother losing a child- so horrible but I see what you mean, I know women who have had much worse things than what Mayte went through happen and have dealt much better than she has. Not to knock her for not being able to handle such an awful thing but it is starting to look like her crutch or worse, her platform to be recognizable on the show.

And P.S., I didn't buy that visit to the fertility doctor either. You can't tell me that if she's been wanting children THAT badly that she wouldn't have been to him before now . I actually don't even think she has any intention of going that route. It seemed to be a set up for a show episode. I know they edit those things down but she just seemed to go in and say "what do I do?" and then was like, "ok goodbye"- I was expecting her to be like, "good! let's get started!" I don't know....all of this is looking so scripted....

Reality TV ain't real.

^

I agree. But if you are going to put on a show... well, that is not a good experience to exploit.

dang!

Nicole chooses losing a few hundred thousand (out of millions) of dollars from a trust fund, and selling a house and moving and her jewelery business

Sheree chooses the conflict of a long distance marriage and starting a business;

Andrea chooses moving to LA to check out the prospects of relocating her business there;

Jessica chooses her struggle to help her daughter move smoothly into womanhood;

Mayte chooses tragic death of a child, and pregnancy from a long long time ago and finding a man in order to have a baby.

Really???? all the others chose lightweight fluff stuff. Mayte chooses an issue that screams need for therapy.

why not focus on acting career. Taking acting classes? Going on acting calls or trying to get into plays?? Or starting a summer stock theater??

Why something so heavy if this Reality tv is "not real?"

Because once again... it is not a good look. A talent scout will look at this and think; ISSUES; can't get along with the cast. For someone trying to get a break...

oceancrayon said:

I don't get how some of you don't get what Mayte was pissed off at Jessica about.

She stated it clearly that she wasn't upset that she had an abortion, it's her life, she can do what she wants. But she was upset at the way she flaunted it around like if human life had no meaning, when Jessica knew that Mayte was insanely desperate to have one. That was a pretty low move.

So Jessica reached out, and some of you criticize Mayte. None of you know what the text said and how insensitive or uncaring it actually could have come across. Mayte had every right to be pissed off at her and not want to deal with the situation at the time. Jessica, as cool as she can be, can be fucking shady and ingenuious. Which is exactly as she came across at the table with her half hearted bullshit apologies. "Im sorry, whatever, get over it, fuck you" basically. That's not a real apology, adding to that the suggestion that she should leave. And meanwhile none of the girls said anything to defend Mayte. I think anybody would be frustrated to not be acknowledged emotionally when speaking out.

...Since when did Jessica flaunt her abortion around like human life had no meaning? We didn't witness Jessica sharing her abortion story with the ladies. She even asked the ladies to not tallk about it on camera.

On that note, about the episode, people keep forgetting it was Drea who threw the abortion in her face, not Sheree. Sheree unfortunately jumped on the bandwagon and got Jessica's wrath when it really should have been Drea

If Mayte is upset about the way something was said due to her personal conflicts, then everyone around her has to watch how they say something about events in their lives because it might anger and/or hurt her. It doesn't make sense. Does she get hurt at baby showers? Does she get hurt when her friend tells her to hurry up and have kids?? Does she throw glasses around them? It really doesn't matter how Jessica shared her story or how she said it because it was her story

Why are people questioning Jessica saving a roach? There are some people who believe a life already here has more importance than a life that cannot live outside of the womb (viable). She may see it that way. It was obvious she did not see the life of a crustacean the same as a cow. Maybe it's a food chain issue

As for people suggesting adoption for Mayte, some people don't believe in adopting. I've heard people say they don't want to adopt because they don't know what they are getting genetically. My co-worker told me he and his wife would never consider adoption unless they couldn't have any children. There are people who prefer to exhaust every biological option before adopting. Mayte is not in a situation where she has tried and tried and can't have any. She carried one full term and had one miscarriage. Seems to me she wants to find a man first and get married before having children. I think at her age, she may need to consider having a child on her own first.

prodigalfan said:

^

I agree. But if you are going to put on a show... well, that is not a good experience to exploit.

dang!

Nicole chooses losing a few hundred thousand (out of millions) of dollars from a trust fund, and selling a house and moving and her jewelery business

Sheree chooses the conflict of a long distance marriage and starting a business;

Andrea chooses moving to LA to check out the prospects of relocating her business there;

Jessica chooses her struggle to help her daughter move smoothly into womanhood;

Mayte chooses tragic death of a child, and pregnancy from a long long time ago and finding a man in order to have a baby.

Really???? all the others chose lightweight fluff stuff. Mayte chooses an issue that screams need for therapy.

why not focus on acting career. Taking acting classes? Going on acting calls or trying to get into plays?? Or starting a summer stock theater??

Why something so heavy if this Reality tv is "not real?"

Because once again... it is not a good look. A talent scout will look at this and think; ISSUES; can't get along with the cast. For someone trying to get a break...

What this show has been screaming to me is that all these women have a brand outside of their ex-husbands that they are promoting - except Mayte. All of them have interest that lay outside of their previous lives.

Mayte has her belly dancing, which this show would be a great place to showcase it, show how it is a wonderful form of exercise, etc.....but she doesn't do that.....she carries on and on about a 15 year old misery. The clothes, the china.....Mani, everything that she does is to focus on her past and not on her present or future.

She really does need therapy if only to become a person outside of Prince's Ex.

BklynDiamond said:

prodigalfan said:

^

I agree. But if you are going to put on a show... well, that is not a good experience to exploit.

dang!

Nicole chooses losing a few hundred thousand (out of millions) of dollars from a trust fund, and selling a house and moving and her jewelery business

Sheree chooses the conflict of a long distance marriage and starting a business;

Andrea chooses moving to LA to check out the prospects of relocating her business there;

Jessica chooses her struggle to help her daughter move smoothly into womanhood;

Mayte chooses tragic death of a child, and pregnancy from a long long time ago and finding a man in order to have a baby.

Really???? all the others chose lightweight fluff stuff. Mayte chooses an issue that screams need for therapy.

why not focus on acting career. Taking acting classes? Going on acting calls or trying to get into plays?? Or starting a summer stock theater??

Why something so heavy if this Reality tv is "not real?"

Because once again... it is not a good look. A talent scout will look at this and think; ISSUES; can't get along with the cast. For someone trying to get a break...

What this show has been screaming to me is that all these women have a brand outside of their ex-husbands that they are promoting - except Mayte. All of them have interest that lay outside of their previous lives.

Mayte has her belly dancing, which this show would be a great place to showcase it, show how it is a wonderful form of exercise, etc.....but she doesn't do that.....she carries on and on about a 15 year old misery. The clothes, the china.....Mani, everything that she does is to focus on her past and not on her present or future.

She really does need therapy if only to become a person outside of Prince's Ex.

prodigalfan said:

BklynDiamond said:

What this show has been screaming to me is that all these women have a brand outside of their ex-husbands that they are promoting - except Mayte. All of them have interest that lay outside of their previous lives.

Mayte has her belly dancing, which this show would be a great place to showcase it, show how it is a wonderful form of exercise, etc.....but she doesn't do that.....she carries on and on about a 15 year old misery. The clothes, the china.....Mani, everything that she does is to focus on her past and not on her present or future.

She really does need therapy if only to become a person outside of Prince's Ex.

right. She could use this show to showcase a new workout video and get free publicity for it. Or a new workout/beauty video. I mean there is so much she could do to make this WORK for HER. Looking for a new man and have baby could be a back burner issue, not the main event. (even if in reality it IS the main issue). Any man who is suitable will see all the signs of a woman nearing the end of her reproductive years DESPERATE for a baby daddy. Gosh, I can't believe I am thinking this but after your post, I am starting to wonder what else does Mayte have to offer except memories of her old self. And I am not saying that she doesn't because of course she does... but she is not projecting whatever she has on this show... just all OLD stuff, old issues.

Agreed. I think Prince got a hold of her in her formative years and it screwed her up. I don't think she realizes that she has much more to offer than just her P association. Granted, its a wonderful thing to have memories of , but she has to move on from it. It's sad because it's obvious he has but seems that she is unable.

So, ladies, the new piece of media for the H.E. thread today is a short from the film festival circuit, this would have been before the filming of Exes started and all all of the subsequent press & PR duties the ladies have to do for the show at present.

From what I can see it looks like Vinger was inspired by Woody Allen's "Melinda and Melinda", where you do a comedic and dramatic version of the same story/script, except this short shows both scenarios simultaneously. Looks like the film maker is also kind of fond of David Lynch (that wacky ass couple might as well be regurgitated from one of his movies, but they needed to work on the smeared eyeliner ), and the rest is trying real hard to be Adrian Lyne (even if that wasn't what was intended ) . If you don't like indie film festival stuff, then chances are you might not like this :

It's too choppy and feels uneven on the comedy end, but I get it.

[Edited 8/14/12 1:49am]

I can't see the poster.

But I can say I'll be front and center this week to see how the loony Mayte saga goes, cause I'm not sure if I'm buying the whole producers set it up thing because that makes Nicole's reaction just too fake, with the above it all attitude. But maybe they did it without Nicole's knowledge, so she was suprised. Maybe Jessica was saying somethings that the cameras didn't show that got on Mayte's nerves, cause that whole "elephant in the room" talk just seemed so off. What elephant? They are kind of hard to miss, and it seems like everybody (including the viewers) wasn't seeing it.

I'm trying to catch up on the bonus clips cause I see there's all kinds of bits and pieces I'm missing.

I like Jessica's business, I want my brows done like that, I've been wanting to get that done for a long time just too chicken I guess.

Never been to the City of Hope, granted they've done a lot but I bet a lot of folks are going now. Nah, I'm happy were I am.

morningsong said:

I can't see the poster.

But I can say I'll be front and center this week to see how the loony Mayte saga goes, cause I'm not sure if I'm buying the whole producers set it up thing because that makes Nicole's reaction just too fake, with the above it all attitude. But maybe they did it without Nicole's knowledge, so she was suprised. Maybe Jessica was saying somethings that the cameras didn't show that got on Mayte's nerves, cause that whole "elephant in the room" talk just seemed so off. What elephant? They are kind of hard to miss, and it seems like everybody (including the viewers) wasn't seeing it.

I'm trying to catch up on the bonus clips cause I see there's all kinds of bits and pieces I'm missing.

I like Jessica's business, I want my brows done like that, I've been wanting to get that done for a long time just too chicken I guess.

Never been to the City of Hope, granted they've done a lot but I bet a lot of folks are going now. Nah, I'm happy were I am.

There's no reason why anyone would have approached Nicole on the subject, except in the confessional filmed months later with producer led questions.

I notice on my laptop the poster doesn't show either, but on my work Mac earlier it was fine. Might be browser related (as the Mac laptop I use at home is old as Moses an I rarely update my browsers and applications. I'm a lazy comp-oo-ter user )

paintedlady said:

morningsong said:

That bio-clock be doing some crazy things. I'm willing to bet she thought she had gotten over a lot of things but coming to face that she may never have her own surrounded by women who constantly talk about theirs is playing with her head, thinking she should have a 15 yo son now. She's cracking

So Sheree lives in LA and her husband lives in SD? Now to me that's crazy. I mean all for Will's son that don't sound right at all. That boy is pretty much grown let him go. 'Les she got a serious business in LA.

"Whoop Ash" creme? I don't call starting a small product line she can run on facebook "bigtime" I only see her staying in LA for the reality show.

I do not understand why Sheree is leaving her man in San Diego. She is wrong for that, but she did say that she didn't want to be known as "the preacher's wife".... and that she felt like she was Mrs. Will Smith and wanted to make her own mark.... or something like that.

As far as Mayte...

Odd name for a cream, but then again when dealing with ashiness some folks need the tough stuff. SD and LA are completely different places, so I can see two different personalities wanting to live in separate cities, but you would think these are things people talk about before getting married, cause if he seriously prefers SD he's not gonna be happy in LA and if she has got to be in the LA scene then she's not going be happy in SD. Hope they work it out, does he want her more or does she want him more, tune in next week...

I'm waiting on Mayte cause there has got to be more to this, there just has to be.