prodigalfan said:

BklynDiamond said:

No matter how Jessica stated it, for Mayte is nuts.

For her to be this upset still, this reactionary after 15 years, shows she has not sought the necessary therapy that she desperately needs to put this portion of her life in perspective to move on. Again, not to get over it, but to get past and create a new future.

Someone posted that before marriage Tommy Lee insisted on therapy and then their relationship came to an end. Makes me think that he found out she was nuts, or baby obsessed or something that he wasn't taking this type of relationship on.

Mayte's issues are just that MAYTE'S issues and if she cannot deal with adults who have different thoughts on things, that speaks a lot about her. She is upset over an abortion Jessica had (for whatever reason) but can sit at a table and look at baby photos and call friend the woman who "supposedly" comforted her husband during her hurtful time, underminded her marriage and then went on to marry the man?

REALLY????? You are not upset at that woman but upset over some random act that had nothing top do with you?

I have to agree. I think someone posted earlier in this thread that Mayte is angry at her ex husband. I think this is right on, and also angry and wifie #2, no matter how she acts friendly towards her.

I think she has some misplaced anger toward Jessica. Probably because Jessica is an easy target to unload some anger toward. Jessica is always needling someone, so someone is always angry with Jessica. There is no risk in going off on Jessica. It seems she is the handy "punching bag" for the group, (not that she doesn't start these).

I agree that Mayte needed closure. But she missed her opportunity. It appears she "forgave" both Prince and Mani so....

I was the person who said Mayte was angry with her ex-husband, and that her anger was mis-placed---and what I mean by that is that the champagne glass should have been thrown at her scrawny little ex-husband's ass years ago like Sadie would do Leroy living in pick-a-life USA. But realistically, when you are a woman married to a powerful public figure, your voice becomes very small and very non-important during times of dissent and crisis in a marriage/LTR, and you really don't have that option. Trust and believe.

However, I disagree that Jessica is the "handy" punching bag in this group. I come from the school of "don't start none, won't be none" and "don't write checks with your mouth that your ass cannot cash", and Jessica, the self admitted cast member who (perhaps sub-consciously) "likes to fucks things up", might need to learn that lesson.

I understand both women's point of view on the matter, but Jessica and that mouth, always taking those passive aggressive digs needs to come full stop. I am of the opinion that we may not have seen all the comments that Jessica may have made regarding her choice to abort her kid, to make her girlfriend feel as though she was speaking in a cavalier manner about it in spite of whatever details Mayte may have shared about her own son having his life support pulled shortly after birth. I'm inclined to watch this thing through to the end to see what other aspects will be revealed.

Beyond all that, I'm with missfee in that people on this thread shouldn't become too invested, considering that since this all came to pass maybe a half year ago the women as a whole have already moved on and are supporting one another publicly more than ever before.

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Genesia said:

prodigalfan said:

I think Mayte doesn't WANT to move on... she doesn't really want to have a baby... she wants THAT baby.... hers and Prince's that passed away. And that is of course not possible.

Most profound thing in this whole effin' thread. And (sadly) right on, I think.

Agreed. I would add that the young woman at the time was not even allowed to give her real name, her child's name, nor the name of the amn she was married to on the death certificate of all things: I would presume there are deeply embedded traumas there with a mother not being allowed to fully connect with the loss of her son. Hell, that scenario in and of itself pretty much reads like a Gloria Naylor book , almost like a twisted Midwest meets Hollywood offshoot to her novel Linden Hills

Ottensen said:

prodigalfan said:

I have to agree. I think someone posted earlier in this thread that Mayte is angry at her ex husband. I think this is right on, and also angry and wifie #2, no matter how she acts friendly towards her.

I think she has some misplaced anger toward Jessica. Probably because Jessica is an easy target to unload some anger toward. Jessica is always needling someone, so someone is always angry with Jessica. There is no risk in going off on Jessica. It seems she is the handy "punching bag" for the group, (not that she doesn't start these).

I agree that Mayte needed closure. But she missed her opportunity. It appears she "forgave" both Prince and Mani so....

I was the person who said Mayte was angry with her ex-husband, and that her anger was mis-placed---and what I mean by that is that the champagne glass should have been thrown at her scrawny little ex-husband's ass years ago like Sadie would do Leroy living in pick-a-life USA. But realistically, when you are a woman married to a powerful public figure, your voice becomes very small and very non-important during times of dissent and crisis in a marriage/LTR, and you really don't have that option. Trust and believe.

However, I disagree that Jessica is the "handy" punching bag in this group. I come from the school of "don't start none, won't be none" and "don't write checks with your mouth that your ass cannot cash", and Jessica, the self admitted cast member who (perhaps sub-consciously) "likes to fucks things up", might need to learn that lesson.

I understand both women's point of view on the matter, but Jessica and that mouth, always taking those passive aggressive digs needs to come full stop. I am of the opinion that we may not have seen all the comments that Jessica may have made regarding her choice to abort her kid, to make her girlfriend feel as though she was speaking in a cavalier manner about it in spite of whatever details Mayte may have shared about her own son having his life support pulled shortly after birth. I'm inclined to watch this thing through to the end to see what other aspects will be revealed.

Beyond all that, I'm with missfee in that people on this thread shouldn't become too invested, considering that since this all came to pass maybe a half year ago the women as a whole have already moved on and are supporting one another publicly more than ever before.

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She could have said it with all the caring as she may have stated that she threw out the garbage yesterday. THAT IS HER RIGHT AND HER BUSINESS. Mayte's issues with HER decisions and HER life are not everyone else's cross to carry.

She needed therapy YEARS ago and if she didn't seek it, she should now. She had a mother to comfort her, who seemed more upset at the loss of her son-in-law than the care of her daughter. The minute she was out of that "toxic" relationship she should have sought help to deal with her loss, the end of her marriage, etc.

Hell when she was in therapy with TL she should have taken that time to get rid of those demons.

No, she holds on to them to keep him in her life, to keep herself (in her mind) relevent in his world.

Jessica could have had 20 abortions, that is her right and she does not need to consider anyone else, especially some random person not involved in the decision.

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From what I've seen I'm going to say there's a whole other ballgame going on with Mayte. It ain't got nothing to do with crazy, and I think she knows damned well what she's doing. I don't know if it's a Cali thing, but I've seen it a few times and I stay clear of it. And nope I don't think Jessica's a punching bag, I think she and Sheree are fine now, after that Mexicans and Canadians in the bible comment I don't think Sheree could get too upset with her, just think of that, giggle a bit and move on. I want her to do my brows. Whatever she's doing she's not doing that hollywood jacked-up look stuff. She looks normal.

Percy just wants sex, okay maybe a connections or two. But yeah, I'd get a bit leary when guys wanna start meeting the kids & family after a couple of dates, trying to get exclusive, feels like they want to start taking over your life, that kind of pushiness turns me off. I hope she's not getting taken in by the swirl, I don't think she is but you never know.

artist76 said:

* ........ Here's the quote from the Spike Lee interview (emphasis mine): "It is not a subject I like discussing, but my wife's pregnancy made me an adult four times over. Kids will do that. Just dealing with every circumstance is an emotional roller coaster, but nevertheless I have grown so much as a soul." About the media questions, he says "I would have been lying to myself and the spirit of the child" to be negative or say he was dead. The child lived to him.

I agree with pretty much most if not all of your post. I especially wanted to point this part out. I have never read this article with Spike Lee before.

Prince actually said wife's pregnancy made him more or less "grow up"??

Wow, I didn't know he would be that insightful or reveal that he was that insightful.

Yeah, my thoughts have really changed about that whole transition that happened between Prince and Mayte.

Still a very sad thing to happen to a young couple. But now I no longer think that Prince was callous with his moving on without Mayte.

It sounds like it was very intensely tragic (and Mayte perpetuated that tragedy if her reaction on this show is any indication of where she was... some 15 years later. I can only imagine how she was when this was unfolding.

It looks like both Prince and Mayte did the best they could. Maybe Prince had to get out of that situation with her to save his own sanity. It looks pretty dramatic to people not really involved 15 years later. What was it like for someone who was hurting and lost just as much as she did.

Let me say this all of those who say some of us on this board are taking this to personal.Mayte chose to but herself on this show.There fore were allowed to comment anyway we choose.Plus if you follow her facebook or twitter.She follows anyone who's had contact with prince.She's the one who seems not to want to move on.TL said yrs.ago in his book that she was suck in her pass.She didn't want to move on with her life.Her ex Wade robson said the same thing.

artist76 said:

I have just watched the new Episode 9 and I TAKE BACK MY EARLIER POST ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY THAT MAYBE THE WAY JESSICA TALKED ABOUT HER ABORTION MIGHT EXPLAIN MAYTE'S CRAZY REACTION. I was trying to give Mayte some benefit of the doubt. After this episode, nevermind!

Apparently, Jessica just talked about it and Mayte chose to be upset about it, expecting everyone to walk on eggshells and anticipate her feelings by telepathy or something.

There's so many ways in which Mayte came off so WRONG, yet again.

1/ Even Sheree has a wtf look when Mayte says Jessica must have made a mistake to invite her to polo - she must be really immature to assume other people cannot reach out an olive branch or get over something just because you cannot. Sheree is basically like, no it's not a mistake, but Mayte doesn't get in a conciliatory mindset in any way.

2/ She doesn't agree to work things out and/or apologize, even when Nicole (who is a producer of this show!) basically tells you you were out of line. Really, she's that stubborn? And she admits to having a temper too, like it's something cute or expected from a latina. Stubborn and a temper. Theoretically cute, but difficult to live with in reality.

3/ At therapy (which is all staged, I'm sure) she talks about the difficulty being in this group of women who often talk about their kids. This is understandable, and I have sympathisized with her when the ladies go on and on about their kids. Fair enough, but then why don't you talk about this with ALL the ladies, instead of venting your anger on Jessica over her abortion that has nothing to do with you?

4/ Very skeptical about Mayte's claim that nobody has called her a mother before. In that 1997 interview with Spike Lee,* Prince talked about himself being a father. I remember it because I thought it was weird at the time too, like "how can you know what it's like to be a father, you don't have kids, your baby is dead?" Doubtful he talked about himself like that but never mentioned to Mayte that yes, you are/were a mother too! Maybe he meant it in his weird Prince-ly way, but still - it's been 15 years and she's supposedly had therapy before, and possibly support groups, so it's doubtful it's a completely new revelation to her. If she's still got this much anger and lacks perspective after 15 yrs, then wow, just wow.

5/ Yes, Jessica IS the better/bigger person to reach out to her after the glass-throwing incident and invite her to polo. An invitation to which Mayte never responded, again (talk about passive-aggressive - sheesh!). I'm seeing what TL may have meant about her being "spoiled." She expects others to cater to her emotions, but doesn't RSVP, doesn't talk to Jessica before, and then saunters in at the last minute b/c she feels gracious enough to come. ??

6/ Don't imply on twitterverse that you're some sort of victim of reality TV editing. You've been on at least 3 reality TV shows now, you know how it works! Yes, the editors/producers can bend things and instigate things, but you can't be shown having an irrational bitchy moment if you refrain from behaving that way around the cameras in the first place! And if you're intentionally using this "I lost babies and I'm angry!" thing as your platform/storyline, that's pathetic and it's ON YOU. Look at Jessica - she's using the show to promote her business now for the umpteenth time already!

Morningsong posted that Prince is being vindicated by this show after all these years, and I agree. Never followed their stories, but I think it was generally assumed "he did her wrong by leaving her." But now I'm getting a different picture. Those statements he made in the later '90s, like on Larry King, about "not wallowing in the past" now make him seem more mature, though at the time it made him seem like a weirdo (plus we thought he was just talking about WB). Even his conversion to JW now seem like a mature response, compared to Mayte.

Both were grown-ups, so I don't say Prince was a victim either - both made choices. But in some ways he was used. That's the impression I get with her following every single person associated with Prince on twitter, just clinging to every association with him. That's her claim to fame. I don't think he had to do a lot of svengali-like seducing to get her - she probably jumped at the chance to live that amazing life and be a "princess" (and her parents facilitating it). And prodigalfan is right - she doesn't want A baby, she wants THAT baby she and Prince had. That way, she'd still be associated to him (and have his money too).

Lastly, he lost a child too! - If we're to believe it was so painful for her, then it was painful for him too -- yet here she is cheapening it by using it as a reality show platform! (possibly). If it's not just a platform but real unresolved pain, then it shows that Prince was really resilient in comparison. I saw part of the movie "Rabbit Hole" (couldn't finish it, was too heavy for after work evening viewing), and it really made me sympathisize with the husband's dilemma when a couple loses a child - in some ways, it's "worse" for him (if you can say that) because he is not allowed to cry like a girl and he has to be "strong" and responsible for his wife and be understanding of her even when she's irrational and angry at him even blaming him.

* Here's the quote from the Spike Lee interview (emphasis mine): "It is not a subject I like discussing, but my wife's pregnancy made me an adult four times over. Kids will do that. Just dealing with every circumstance is an emotional roller coaster, but nevertheless I have grown so much as a soul." About the media questions, he says "I would have been lying to myself and the spirit of the child" to be negative or say he was dead. The child lived to him.

OMG, loves this post, now I feel vindicated for my stance on her not being as "sweet as pie" as every one tried to make her out to be, hell, there are some people out there in the world that think that Prince is nice .

starafree said:

Let me say this all of those who say some of us on this board are taking this to personal.Mayte chose to but herself on this show.There fore were allowed to comment anyway we choose.Plus if you follow her facebook or twitter.She follows anyone who's had contact with prince.She's the one who seems not to want to move on.TL said yrs.ago in his book that she was suck in her pass.She didn't want to move on with her life.Her ex Wade robson said the same thing.

Yes I follow her and it is suspect that she follows people like Fdeluxe, Appollonia, Morris Day and other Prince associates. IA that she can't let go of their past and she is stuck as Mayte. All of his other exes have been able to move on (with the exception of Sheila) yet she is still single all these years. She needs to keep going to therapy and maybe even try talking to P again (doubtful though) to get some closure.

missfee said:

Well everyone can calm down now because everyone has now made up on the show. I'm sure the reunion will be interesting.

Last night's episode was rather boring.

Drea's dude, Pursey (sp?) is off the chain. Though I don't agree with what Drea has been doing in the past few episodes, I can relate when she said she felt like "she couldn't breathe" when he was asking for them to go monogamous. I'm like, wow, y'all haven't known each other but for 5 minutes and he already wants a commitment? Suspect.

Mayte goes to counseling and has a breakthrough? Suspect. One counseling session doesn't "put things into perspective" that quickly. Sorry.

Jessica and Mayte making up. Suspect.

Sheree and that Whoop Ash or whatever it's called cream. Suspect.

Nicole and her modeling...great move. The billboard hunt? Suspect.

I was starting to like the non-drama direction of the show before the catrastrophe the past two episodes. Oh well.

I couldn't agree with this post anymore. Especially the suspicious therapy breakthrough part. Sometimes therapy does take years and it usually takes months/years for a person to have a breakthrough.

peri1025 said:

starafree said:

Let me say this all of those who say some of us on this board are taking this to personal.Mayte chose to but herself on this show.There fore were allowed to comment anyway we choose.Plus if you follow her facebook or twitter.She follows anyone who's had contact with prince.She's the one who seems not to want to move on.TL said yrs.ago in his book that she was suck in her pass.She didn't want to move on with her life.Her ex Wade robson said the same thing.

Yes I follow her and it is suspect that she follows people like Fdeluxe, Appollonia, Morris Day and other Prince associates. IA that she can't let go of their past and she is stuck as Mayte. All of his other exes have been able to move on (with the exception of Sheila) yet she is still single all these years. She needs to keep going to therapy and maybe even try talking to P again (doubtful though) to get some closure.

"maybe even try talking to P again"? Prince would probably tell her "go to Kingdom Hall and take it to Jehovah". I have a feeling if Prince saw Mayte and her VH1 "ladies", he would go in the opposite direction.

peri1025 said:

starafree said:

Let me say this all of those who say some of us on this board are taking this to personal.Mayte chose to but herself on this show.There fore were allowed to comment anyway we choose.Plus if you follow her facebook or twitter.She follows anyone who's had contact with prince.She's the one who seems not to want to move on.TL said yrs.ago in his book that she was suck in her pass.She didn't want to move on with her life.Her ex Wade robson said the same thing.

Yes I follow her and it is suspect that she follows people like Fdeluxe, Appollonia, Morris Day and other Prince associates. IA that she can't let go of their past and she is stuck as Mayte. All of his other exes have been able to move on (with the exception of Sheila) yet she is still single all these years. She needs to keep going to therapy and maybe even try talking to P again (doubtful though) to get some closure.

Well, i just went to her twitter page to see firsthand what you guys were talking about and, according to mayte, she is seeing a therapist and has been for years to which i say...girl, get a new therapist because obviously the one you have isn't working. And she doesn't think she needs to apoligize to Jessica. This whole situation has changed the way i view mayte. She needs to grow the fuck up. Has she ever considered that the reason why she can't seem to concive is because she's still holding so tightly onto her past and no baby wants to be born into that mess? Maybe that's too metaphysical for some but still.

bashraka said:

peri1025 said:

Yes I follow her and it is suspect that she follows people like Fdeluxe, Appollonia, Morris Day and other Prince associates. IA that she can't let go of their past and she is stuck as Mayte. All of his other exes have been able to move on (with the exception of Sheila) yet she is still single all these years. She needs to keep going to therapy and maybe even try talking to P again (doubtful though) to get some closure.

"maybe even try talking to P again"? Prince would probably tell her "go to Kingdom Hall and take it to Jehovah". I have a feeling if Prince saw Mayte and her VH1 "ladies", he would go in the opposite direction.

Hah yea I guess it is unlikely. I read another recent Mayte article and she said she hasn't spoken to Prince yet but she believes he would congratulate her and be proud of how she's acted on the show. So either she's delusional or he has mellowed out some. He's probably proud that she hasn't bashed him or put all his business out on the table but that's about it. I firmly believe he's watched the show or had an associate watch it and fill him in. I'm sure it's hard to see/hear her talk about the baby stuff over and over again since he "doesn't like to look back at the past".

prodigalfan said:

See I don't believe that Mayte has tried to conceive like some of you are implying. I don't think mayte is necessarily infertile. I think she COULD conceive if she wanted to. I think she doesn't have kids because she hasnt found a suitable husband. And frankly Prince IS a tough act to follow. I guess I don't get why mayte couldn't meet one of these athletes. Heck Sheree, Nicole, even Robin has snared a pro athletes. Why not mayte? She is pretty enough.

What makes him a tough act to follow? His money? Because by all accounts he was not and is not the most attentive, loving, caring, individual. By most he is a little Nepolian (sp) with some serious control issues.

Nothing hard to follow with that just need a decent man who loves you.

Why must it be an athlete? See I think that is the problem. Looking for money instead of looking for person. A nice doctor, accountant, architect can treat you much better than most of these athletes and superstars these days.

BklynDiamond said:

Who the heck would wanna be known as the Ex.

isobelfq said:

peri1025 said:

Yes I follow her and it is suspect that she follows people like Fdeluxe, Appollonia, Morris Day and other Prince associates. IA that she can't let go of their past and she is stuck as Mayte. All of his other exes have been able to move on (with the exception of Sheila) yet she is still single all these years. She needs to keep going to therapy and maybe even try talking to P again (doubtful though) to get some closure.

Well, i just went to her twitter page to see firsthand what you guys were talking about and, according to mayte, she is seeing a therapist and has been for years to which i say...girl, get a new therapist because obviously the one you have isn't working. And she doesn't think she needs to apoligize to Jessica. This whole situation has changed the way i view mayte. She needs to grow the fuck up. Has she ever considered that the reason why she can't seem to concive is because she's still holding so tightly onto her past and no baby wants to be born into that mess? Maybe that's too metaphysical for some but still.

Well, if this is true then Mayte is a liar. On the last episode she says as she goes into thereapists office, "I haven't seen a therapist in a long time!" or "in a minute" or something- not sure verbatim but these shows are on a constant loop I'm sure you'll see her saying that again. And she acted like this was something that she hadn't done in a very long time.

lauralevesque said:

isobelfq said:

Well, i just went to her twitter page to see firsthand what you guys were talking about and, according to mayte, she is seeing a therapist and has been for years to which i say...girl, get a new therapist because obviously the one you have isn't working. And she doesn't think she needs to apoligize to Jessica. This whole situation has changed the way i view mayte. She needs to grow the fuck up. Has she ever considered that the reason why she can't seem to concive is because she's still holding so tightly onto her past and no baby wants to be born into that mess? Maybe that's too metaphysical for some but still.

Well, if this is true then Mayte is a liar. On the last episode she says as she goes into thereapists office, "I haven't seen a therapist in a long time!" or "in a minute" or something- not sure verbatim but these shows are on a constant loop I'm sure you'll see her saying that again. And she acted like this was something that she hadn't done in a very long time.

How is she a liar? Either way the woman is still admitting that she has sought therapy about her issue. In both instances (on Twitter the other day), and on this week's show (which would have been filmed over 6 months ago) it is affirmative that she has been in therapy before. No lie there.

Ottensen said:

lauralevesque said:

Well, if this is true then Mayte is a liar. On the last episode she says as she goes into thereapists office, "I haven't seen a therapist in a long time!" or "in a minute" or something- not sure verbatim but these shows are on a constant loop I'm sure you'll see her saying that again. And she acted like this was something that she hadn't done in a very long time.

How is she a liar? Either way the woman is still admitting that she has sought therapy about her issue. In both instances (on Twitter the other day), and on this week's show (which would have been filmed over 6 months ago) it is affirmative that she has been in therapy before. No lie there.

I said she was lying because someone above said that on her twitter Mayte said she had been in therapy for YEARS (as in recently) and on the show as she's going in for this therapy session where she has a breakthrough in 5 minutes, she claims to have not been in therapy for a long time. Like I had said before, I know she's had therapy because Tommy Lee said so in his documentary, that they were in couples therapy. But on the show she acted as if therapy was something she hadn't seen in a long time, like it was new to her.

BklynDiamond said:

Ottensen said:

I was the person who said Mayte was angry with her ex-husband, and that her anger was mis-placed---and what I mean by that is that the champagne glass should have been thrown at her scrawny little ex-husband's ass years ago like Sadie would do Leroy living in pick-a-life USA. But realistically, when you are a woman married to a powerful public figure, your voice becomes very small and very non-important during times of dissent and crisis in a marriage/LTR, and you really don't have that option. Trust and believe.

However, I disagree that Jessica is the "handy" punching bag in this group. I come from the school of "don't start none, won't be none" and "don't write checks with your mouth that your ass cannot cash", and Jessica, the self admitted cast member who (perhaps sub-consciously) "likes to fucks things up", might need to learn that lesson.

I understand both women's point of view on the matter, but Jessica and that mouth, always taking those passive aggressive digs needs to come full stop. I am of the opinion that we may not have seen all the comments that Jessica may have made regarding her choice to abort her kid, to make her girlfriend feel as though she was speaking in a cavalier manner about it in spite of whatever details Mayte may have shared about her own son having his life support pulled shortly after birth. I'm inclined to watch this thing through to the end to see what other aspects will be revealed.

Beyond all that, I'm with missfee in that people on this thread shouldn't become too invested, considering that since this all came to pass maybe a half year ago the women as a whole have already moved on and are supporting one another publicly more than ever before.

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She could have said it with all the caring as she may have stated that she threw out the garbage yesterday. THAT IS HER RIGHT AND HER BUSINESS. Mayte's issues with HER decisions and HER life are not everyone else's cross to carry.

She needed therapy YEARS ago and if she didn't seek it, she should now. She had a mother to comfort her, who seemed more upset at the loss of her son-in-law than the care of her daughter. The minute she was out of that "toxic" relationship she should have sought help to deal with her loss, the end of her marriage, etc.

Hell when she was in therapy with TL she should have taken that time to get rid of those demons.

No, she holds on to them to keep him in her life, to keep herself (in her mind) relevent in his world.

Jessica could have had 20 abortions, that is her right and she does not need to consider anyone else, especially some random person not involved in the decision.

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1. Nowhere in my post did I ever imply that it wasn't Jessica's right to do what she wants regadring her body and abortion. Of course that's her right.

2. I also in no way posted anything about anyone bearing another person's cross. I 'm simply one who believes in closely considering how one shares or exchanges information on topics of a delicate nature with others, and really takes things to heart as to whether or not it's compassionate towards another person's experience. For those who do not believe in that, then I say, Yippie-Kay-Fuckin'-Yay for them. Beyond that, at this juncture we'll just simply agree to disagree

The therapy session....

therapist: You were a mother that lost her baby.

Mayte: I hadn't heard that before, I should have thought of that... I AM a mother that lost her baby.

therapist: Yes, you ARE a mother that lost her baby

Mayte: That is what I needed to hear

Really? Why because you felt excluded? You had a baby too? You need to say...

"Hey! I had a baby too! I AM a mother too!" Like it's some contest of who gets left with the deepest connection?

That is the major break through? Is this a contest of who's got the biggest dibs on the ex?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Jessica: "I had his daughter.. wish he had a better relationship with her... he's broke now and he drives me nuts."

Sheree: "Well I had a son and we still get along GREAT! Even if I don't keep my Gucci discount, I'll still always love him."

Andrea: "I had his kids AND we get along and even though I was kept secret we have a great relationship... I can't shop like I used to, but we are actually friends."

Nicole: "Not only did I have 5 kids with this man, we have a great friendship and I STILL got my Gucci discount! I win bitches!"

Mayte: " I had his baby! I was his wife... I think he remembers me! I had his baby you know! I AM a mother too dammit!!!"

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BklynDiamond said:

prodigalfan said:

See I don't believe that Mayte has tried to conceive like some of you are implying. I don't think mayte is necessarily infertile. I think she COULD conceive if she wanted to. I think she doesn't have kids because she hasnt found a suitable husband. And frankly Prince IS a tough act to follow. I guess I don't get why mayte couldn't meet one of these athletes. Heck Sheree, Nicole, even Robin has snared a pro athletes. Why not mayte? She is pretty enough.

What makes him a tough act to follow? His money? Because by all accounts he was not and is not the most attentive, loving, caring, individual. By most he is a little Nepolian (sp) with some serious control issues.

Nothing hard to follow with that just need a decent man who loves you.

Why must it be an athlete? See I think that is the problem. Looking for money instead of looking for person. A nice doctor, accountant, architect can treat you much better than most of these athletes and superstars these days.

I agree that the problem is looking for a man with money. and I agree that a nice accountant, business man, physician etc is also a suitable man to date.

but I'm just saying for these exes who have landed another man of some celebrity status... I'm just curious why Mayte haven't even DATED one before. Just strange.

And as far as Prince as an attentive lover... I have heard that he is both.

When he is into you, he is very attentive, very thoughtful. Always buying flowers etc. Will notice if you have a new pair of earrings... can by you a dress not only because he knows what he wants to see you in, but also because he knows your size, your style, favorite color etc.

Many men do not know HOW to shop for their women and will go to saleslady for help.

This comes from Mayte herself... she said that he was very charming and attentive. And another one of his former flame said something to the effect that he was very attentive and intuitive in bed... that it was almost like being with a woman (I guess) becauase, again a lot of men are clumsy/clueless to women's physical desires in bed. <---- not sure about that but that is what I inferred from that statement.

I've just caught up on the last 3 episodes and haven't read all the posts in this thread yet but just wanted to get this out.

Mayte - is a selfish b*tch. She's so insular she can't get past herself to care about anyone else. Using Jessica's experience to further her own pain is just pathetic. Her behaviour was more than out of line it was, as Jessica put it, nuts.

I'm also sick of Drea and Sheree talking about Jessica needing to "filter" what she says about her abortion in front of Mayte because she needs to respect her loss. Talk about being a hypocrit, Mayte is on a reality show blabbing about the death of her/their child week in and week out without any filter or respect for Prince or his family and friends that might feel bereaved by the loss.

Drea I know find disgusting (which is sad, because she was my favourite.) Anyone who uses "you had an abortion" as a way to win a cheap argument, started by Mayte's pettiness to prove a non-existant point, is low-class filth in my book.

Also, why has no one asked Jessica about her feelings and her experience and emotions with that situation or even how her daughter took the news and how they're getting on?

It's easier to just make her the villian of the piece, I guess?!

I'm sure this is all scripted (poorly, if so) but do the producers honestly think women are mostly backing Mayte/Drea/Sheree's behaviour? Are we meant to sympathise with that?

Props for the 1 therapy session that cured Mayte too. That therapist deserves an award for her ability to cure immediately.

artist76 said:

I have just watched the new Episode 9 and I TAKE BACK MY EARLIER POST ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY THAT MAYBE THE WAY JESSICA TALKED ABOUT HER ABORTION MIGHT EXPLAIN MAYTE'S CRAZY REACTION. I was trying to give Mayte some benefit of the doubt. After this episode, nevermind!

Apparently, Jessica just talked about it and Mayte chose to be upset about it, expecting everyone to walk on eggshells and anticipate her feelings by telepathy or something.

There's so many ways in which Mayte came off so WRONG, yet again.

1/ Even Sheree has a wtf look when Mayte says Jessica must have made a mistake to invite her to polo - she must be really immature to assume other people cannot reach out an olive branch or get over something just because you cannot. Sheree is basically like, no it's not a mistake, but Mayte doesn't get in a conciliatory mindset in any way.

2/ She doesn't agree to work things out and/or apologize, even when Nicole (who is a producer of this show!) basically tells you you were out of line. Really, she's that stubborn? And she admits to having a temper too, like it's something cute or expected from a latina. Stubborn and a temper. Theoretically cute, but difficult to live with in reality.

3/ At therapy (which is all staged, I'm sure) she talks about the difficulty being in this group of women who often talk about their kids. This is understandable, and I have sympathisized with her when the ladies go on and on about their kids. Fair enough, but then why don't you talk about this with ALL the ladies, instead of venting your anger on Jessica over her abortion that has nothing to do with you?

4/ Very skeptical about Mayte's claim that nobody has called her a mother before. In that 1997 interview with Spike Lee,* Prince talked about himself being a father. I remember it because I thought it was weird at the time too, like "how can you know what it's like to be a father, you don't have kids, your baby is dead?" Doubtful he talked about himself like that but never mentioned to Mayte that yes, you are/were a mother too! Maybe he meant it in his weird Prince-ly way, but still - it's been 15 years and she's supposedly had therapy before, and possibly support groups, so it's doubtful it's a completely new revelation to her. If she's still got this much anger and lacks perspective after 15 yrs, then wow, just wow.

5/ Yes, Jessica IS the better/bigger person to reach out to her after the glass-throwing incident and invite her to polo. An invitation to which Mayte never responded, again (talk about passive-aggressive - sheesh!). I'm seeing what TL may have meant about her being "spoiled." She expects others to cater to her emotions, but doesn't RSVP, doesn't talk to Jessica before, and then saunters in at the last minute b/c she feels gracious enough to come. ??

6/ Don't imply on twitterverse that you're some sort of victim of reality TV editing. You've been on at least 3 reality TV shows now, you know how it works! Yes, the editors/producers can bend things and instigate things, but you can't be shown having an irrational bitchy moment if you refrain from behaving that way around the cameras in the first place! And if you're intentionally using this "I lost babies and I'm angry!" thing as your platform/storyline, that's pathetic and it's ON YOU. Look at Jessica - she's using the show to promote her business now for the umpteenth time already!

Morningsong posted that Prince is being vindicated by this show after all these years, and I agree. Never followed their stories, but I think it was generally assumed "he did her wrong by leaving her." But now I'm getting a different picture. Those statements he made in the later '90s, like on Larry King, about "not wallowing in the past" now make him seem more mature, though at the time it made him seem like a weirdo (plus we thought he was just talking about WB). Even his conversion to JW now seem like a mature response, compared to Mayte.

Both were grown-ups, so I don't say Prince was a victim either - both made choices. But in some ways he was used. That's the impression I get with her following every single person associated with Prince on twitter, just clinging to every association with him. That's her claim to fame. I don't think he had to do a lot of svengali-like seducing to get her - she probably jumped at the chance to live that amazing life and be a "princess" (and her parents facilitating it). And prodigalfan is right - she doesn't want A baby, she wants THAT baby she and Prince had. That way, she'd still be associated to him (and have his money too).

Lastly, he lost a child too! - If we're to believe it was so painful for her, then it was painful for him too -- yet here she is cheapening it by using it as a reality show platform! (possibly). If it's not just a platform but real unresolved pain, then it shows that Prince was really resilient in comparison. I saw part of the movie "Rabbit Hole" (couldn't finish it, was too heavy for after work evening viewing), and it really made me sympathisize with the husband's dilemma when a couple loses a child - in some ways, it's "worse" for him (if you can say that) because he is not allowed to cry like a girl and he has to be "strong" and responsible for his wife and be understanding of her even when she's irrational and angry at him even blaming him.

* Here's the quote from the Spike Lee interview (emphasis mine): "It is not a subject I like discussing, but my wife's pregnancy made me an adult four times over. Kids will do that. Just dealing with every circumstance is an emotional roller coaster, but nevertheless I have grown so much as a soul." About the media questions, he says "I would have been lying to myself and the spirit of the child" to be negative or say he was dead. The child lived to him.

Brilliant post! You just said everything better than I ever could.

Crackrobat said:

I've just caught up on the last 3 episodes and haven't read all the posts in this thread yet but just wanted to get this out.

Mayte - is a selfish b*tch. She's so insular she can't get past herself to care about anyone else. Using Jessica's experience to further her own pain is just pathetic. Her behaviour was more than out of line it was, as Jessica put it, nuts.

I'm also sick of Drea and Sheree talking about Jessica needing to "filter" what she says about her abortion in front of Mayte because she needs to respect her loss. Talk about being a hypocrit, Mayte is on a reality show blabbing about the death of her/their child week in and week out without any filter or respect for Prince or his family and friends that might feel bereaved by the loss.

Drea I know find disgusting (which is sad, because she was my favourite.) Anyone who uses "you had an abortion" as a way to win a cheap argument, started by Mayte's pettiness to prove a non-existant point, is low-class filth in my book.

Also, why has no one asked Jessica about her feelings and her experience and emotions with that situation or even how her daughter took the news and how they're getting on?

It's easier to just make her the villian of the piece, I guess?!

I'm sure this is all scripted (poorly, if so) but do the producers honestly think women are mostly backing Mayte/Drea/Sheree's behaviour? Are we meant to sympathise with that?

Props for the 1 therapy session that cured Mayte too. That therapist deserves an award for her ability to cure immediately.

Okay, yeah, Mayte is a little brattier than most of us expected but are you all that mad at her for one stupid tantrum?

paintedlady said:

The therapy session....

therapist: You were a mother that lost her baby.

Mayte: I hadn't heard that before, I should have thought of that... I AM a mother that lost her baby.

therapist: Yes, you ARE a mother that lost her baby

Mayte: That is what I needed to hear

Really? Why because you felt excluded? You had a baby too? You need to say...

"Hey! I had a baby too! I AM a mother too!" Like it's some contest of who gets left with the deepest connection?

That is the major break through? Is this a contest of who's got the biggest dibs on the ex?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Jessica: "I had his daughter.. wish he had a better relationship with her... he's broke now and he drives me nuts."

Sheree: "Well I had a son and we still get along GREAT! Even if I don't keep my Gucci discount, I'll still always love him."

Andrea: "I had his kids AND we get along and even though I was kept secret we have a great relationship... I can't shop like I used to, but we are actually friends."

Nicole: "Not only did I have 5 kids with this man, we have a great friendship and I STILL got my Gucci discount! I win bitches!"

Mayte: " I had his baby! I was his wife... I think he remembers me! I had his baby you know! I AM a mother too dammit!!!"

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I think that sums it up.

morningsong said:

Okay, yeah, Mayte is a little brattier than most of us expected but are you all that mad at her for one stupid tantrum?

this is why we're so mad at her for her tantrum. closet freak sums it up prefectly. I love her. She's hilarious and truthful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wDZim2z8N4&feature=relmfu

i don't know how to embed so i'm just leaving the link.

Crackrobat said:

I've just caught up on the last 3 episodes and haven't read all the posts in this thread yet but just wanted to get this out.

Mayte - is a selfish b*tch. She's so insular she can't get past herself to care about anyone else. Using Jessica's experience to further her own pain is just pathetic. Her behaviour was more than out of line it was, as Jessica put it, nuts.

I'm also sick of Drea and Sheree talking about Jessica needing to "filter" what she says about her abortion in front of Mayte because she needs to respect her loss. Talk about being a hypocrit, Mayte is on a reality show blabbing about the death of her/their child week in and week out without any filter or respect for Prince or his family and friends that might feel bereaved by the loss.

Drea I know find disgusting (which is sad, because she was my favourite.) Anyone who uses "you had an abortion" as a way to win a cheap argument, started by Mayte's pettiness to prove a non-existant point, is low-class filth in my book.

Also, why has no one asked Jessica about her feelings and her experience and emotions with that situation or even how her daughter took the news and how they're getting on?

It's easier to just make her the villian of the piece, I guess?!

I'm sure this is all scripted (poorly, if so) but do the producers honestly think women are mostly backing Mayte/Drea/Sheree's behaviour? Are we meant to sympathise with that?

Props for the 1 therapy session that cured Mayte too. That therapist deserves an award for her ability to cure immediately.

Wow this is brilliant! ALL of this I agree with.

I began watching the show FOR Mayte- because I was always rooting for her. What a shock to find that she's self absorbed, entitled and bratty.

I loved Drea the first episode or two and thought she was going to be my favorite. I now find her annoying and an instigator.

In the end, I'm loving Nicole and I"m really feelling for Jessica. I feel that Jessica is honest and like you said, why does no one care how this has affected her and her daughter? She was young, maybe she feels she's made a mistake, maybe she's traumatized by the back alley abortion, maybe she was scared? Why is everyone jumping to Mayte and coddling her when this woman needs some comforting and concern herself?

Anyway, you were spot on with this. As for Mayte....Jessica said it right when she said Mayte was 14.....

isobelfq said:

morningsong said:

Okay, yeah, Mayte is a little brattier than most of us expected but are you all that mad at her for one stupid tantrum?

this is why we're so mad at her for her tantrum. closet freak sums it up prefectly. I love her. She's hilarious and truthful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wDZim2z8N4&feature=relmfu

i don't know how to embed so i'm just leaving the link.

Dang this lady doesn't like Drea anymore because of this. Wow.

I just feel like there is something more going on in this dynamic especially because of Mayte's past life beyond Prince. Got to see more though.