V10LETBLUES said:

To be fair to Jesse, EVERY Facebook page I have ever seen seems insane. At least for him it's a promotional tool for his work. I have no idea why other folks want to make fools of themselves with one.

When I think about it... yeah you're right. Jesse looks like the sanest cat on there...

V10LETBLUES said:

To be fair to Jesse, EVERY Facebook page I have ever seen seems insane. At least for him it's a promotional tool for his work. I have no idea why other folks want to make fools of themselves with one.

Well, I can understand how you feel about that, as there can be an advantage/disadvantage on how people choose to use FB. some use it for gaining clients/customers for some type of business; recruiting for social organizations;connect with others in the arts/music field; share/exchange educational info, and the list goes on. Also, some use it to stay in touch with friends/family, but then you have the ugly side of it where some use FB, myspace, websites, etc., to hijack other peoples' FB pages or other social networking sites like for revenge/attack/discredit someone's reputation/cry out for help/stalking people, etc.. I'm sure we've all seen a lot of nuts out there doing this all over the internet on a global basis. I guess you can say the latest, social networking sites can have its advantages/disadvantages as well as the internet as a whole.

Anyway, at this point, all one can choose to do is wish the best for Jesse.

[Edited 12/18/11 8:33am]

2elijah said:

babynoz said:

I'm thankful for the updates from you and others since I don't do FB. No clue what Alan could be talking about.

Oh you don't have to have an FB page to view an FB page that the individual doesn't have set as private, because I don't have an FB page. When an individual has an FB page they keep public, then they leave it open for everyone to see what's written on it. He can easily set it to private for just the friends on his page to see, if he didn't want everyone to see it, but he's a musician, so it's likely he chooses to keep the page public.

[Edited 12/18/11 8:11am]

Thankies! I avoid fb and twitter like the plague,

I think I still have that myspace page my son made for me though.

2elijah said:

bboy87 said:

Am I gonna have to put this through Google Translate or somethin'?

Apparently it seems JJ's comments is in reference to the Chinese Horoscope's description of how JJ sees or defines his personality, desires and goals as a musician. Seems he's saying he works better alone compared to working with others as a group, and would rather keep move forward and not feeling 'stuck' within a group, that may not see 'eye to eye' with his creative ideas musically for the group, so he would rather leave the group, while they're still friends, in order to pursue his own career, as a musician, including taking control of the direction he wants to take his music career. Seems he's basically saying that as a musician he works better alone, but in spirit isn't alone on a personal basis. That's what I seem to get from that comment.

Also, since Alan Leeds posted on JJ's page, maybe he reached out to him in some way.

[Edited 12/18/11 7:10am]

Looks like you're doing a pretty good job sis...we might not need google after all.

I still wonder why he suddenly decided all of this after he made a commitment to the O7? Since he's so deep and introspective, one would think he knew these things about himself already.

I wonder if they'll get Tori Ruffin on guitar in his place?

[Edited 12/18/11 14:56pm]

wonder505 said:

PAPAROBBIE said:

Jesse Johnson

I am a true to life "FIRE ROOSTER"
(! was born June 1st)

The Rooster is often seen as the original strong silent type, not unlike the Humphrey Bogart and Greto Garbo prototypes. Most people consider them quite eccentric.

Sad to say, relationships with other people are often strained. They are quite moody and can be too outspoken.

They are often self-centered, but can be quite brave when the situation calls for it. On the other hand, Rooster People are quite talented and capable. They are always devoted to their work and have a reputation for being the hardest of workers.

Rooster People are deep thinkers and are pioneers in spirit. They can experience the greatest of joy in complete solitude. Even though often alone, they rarely experience loneliness.

Instead, they enjoy their own company and feel solitude helps them in their quest after knowledge.

My Chinese Horoscope!
LovePeace,
Jesse Johnson Bey ♥

omg

i'm gonna need to pull up a couch fire up some popcorn and get some chicken wings for the Org analysis on this!

lol

babynoz said:

2elijah said:

Apparently it seems JJ's comments are in reference to the Chinese Horoscope's description of how JJ sees or defines his personality, desires and goals as a musician. Seems he's saying he works better alone compared to working with others as a group, and would rather keep move forward and not feeling 'stuck' within a group, that may not see 'eye to eye' with his creative ideas musically for the group, so he would rather leave the group, while they're still friends, in order to pursue his own career, as a musician, including taking control of the direction he wants to take his music career. Seems he's basically saying that as a musician he works better alone, but in spirit isn't alone on a personal basis. That's what I seem to get from that comment.

Also, since Alan Leeds posted on JJ's page, maybe he reached out to him in some way.

[Edited 12/18/11 7:10am]

Looks like you're doing a pretty good job sis...we might not need google after all.

I still wonder why he suddenly decided all of this after he made a commitment to the O7? Since he's so deep and introspective, one would think he knew these things about himself already.

@ bolded part. Good point.

[Edited 12/18/11 16:15pm]

Timmy84 said:

V10LETBLUES said:

To be fair to Jesse, EVERY Facebook page I have ever seen seems insane. At least for him it's a promotional tool for his work. I have no idea why other folks want to make fools of themselves with one.

When I think about it... yeah you're right. Jesse looks like the sanest cat on there...

I like Jesse's comments. He is being very honest about himself and his idiosyncrasies and his craft. That is one thing that seperates him from Prince. I love it & can't wait 4 his next comment...

Im sure thats it for the O7, Time or whatever their name is.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Timmy84 said:

When I think about it... yeah you're right. Jesse looks like the sanest cat on there...

I like Jesse's comments. He is being very honest about himself and his idiosyncrasies and his craft. That is one thing that seperates him from Prince. I love it & can't wait 4 his next comment...

Don't you mean next album?

Timmy84 said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

I like Jesse's comments. He is being very honest about himself and his idiosyncrasies and his craft. That is one thing that seperates him from Prince. I love it & can't wait 4 his next comment...

Don't you mean next album?

That to my brotha. But his comments have been very upfront & brutally honest lately on fb. I don't look at it as him rambling on or tweeking like someone else said here(which is an insult to him). Jesse is a musical genius and they have different ways of expressing themselves than the average person. Which is why I undersatnd & identify with him & Prince so well.

PAPAROBBIE said:

Jesse Johnson

I am a true to life "FIRE ROOSTER"
(! was born June 1st)

The Rooster is often seen as the original strong silent type, not unlike the Humphrey Bogart and Greto Garbo prototypes. Most people consider them quite eccentric.

Sad to say, relationships with other people are often strained. They are quite moody and can be too outspoken.

They are often self-centered, but can be quite brave when the situation calls for it. On the other hand, Rooster People are quite talented and capable. They are always devoted to their work and have a reputation for being the hardest of workers.

Rooster People are deep thinkers and are pioneers in spirit. They can experience the greatest of joy in complete solitude. Even though often alone, they rarely experience loneliness.

Instead, they enjoy their own company and feel solitude helps them in their quest after knowledge.

My Chinese Horoscope!
LovePeace,
Jesse Johnson Bey ♥

My response to Jesse:

Sometimes you gotta deal with 7ven Roosters when you expected at least 3 chickens. Chickens belong in Skillets....Roosters should be on tour with a full set list of full songs...no medleys or short cuts. Some talented Roosters hang in the balance....and an industry full of dead chicken heads suffers...as the real music is dying a premature death.

Yeah, my response is about as crazy as Jesse's comments, but all in good fun. I think Jesse is fine, and just drained from revisiting the same things from the past that didn't work out then, and probably won't work now. Still, I hope the 07 can somehow avoid being 06.

I don't understand why it's groovy for Prince to change his mind like the wind blows but not for Jesse. Maybe, just maybe he didn't want to do this in the first place.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Timmy84 said:

Don't you mean next album?

That to my brotha. But his comments have been very upfront & brutally honest lately on fb. I don't look at it as him rambling on or tweeking like someone else said here(which is an insult to him). Jesse is a musical genius and they have different ways of expressing themselves than the average person. Which is why I undersatnd & identify with him & Prince so well.

Jesse's a great but derivative guitar player. Not much of a songwriter and a weak singer. Genius, my ass.

If I was another member of the O7, I'd be seriously pissed off with him right now. Hard for them to still use that name now. He does to seem be flakey as hell.

Mong said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

That to my brotha. But his comments have been very upfront & brutally honest lately on fb. I don't look at it as him rambling on or tweeking like someone else said here(which is an insult to him). Jesse is a musical genius and they have different ways of expressing themselves than the average person. Which is why I undersatnd & identify with him & Prince so well.

Jesse's a great but derivative guitar player. Not much of a songwriter and a weak singer. Genius, my ass.

If I was another member of the O7, I'd be seriously pissed off with him right now. Hard for them to still use that name now. He does to seem be flakey as hell.

Well let me c u sit down & write a song like....

"Nights Like This"

(Produced, Written, & arranged By Jesse Johnson)

Shoo be doop doo.....

I could feel
That it was over
Your love for me
Diminished slowly

Why couldn't you tell me
You had a lover on your mind
It's no way to treat me
When you know how
I feel inside

I could not hide the
Way I felt last night
Tears I cried

My love for you
I can't deny
No, no, no....

Nights like this I wish
That raindrops would fall
Yes, I do, yeah, yeah
Nights like this I wish
That raindrops would fall

Girl, I know
What's been going on
You got another lover
And you got it going strong

I been walking round town
With a smile on my face
Trying to fight the hurt
Trying to hide the shame, baby

I cannot cry no more
Now I realise
I was too blind, baby

Being the fool in love
You know it aint right, girl
If you really wanna
Be happy, baby

Nights like this I wish
That raindrops would fall
Oh, how I wish raindrops
Would fall on my face, baby
Nights like this I wish
That raindrops would fall
Oh, oh, oh, oh, yeah

Nights like this I wish
(Rain, rain, rain, yeah)
That raindrops would fall
(Rain down my face, baby)
Nights like this I wish
That raindrops would fall
Baby, yeah, yeah, yeah

Tears I've cried

I could feel when everything
Was not too real
Inside, I cried
To win your love
You know I tried

Nights like this I wish
(Come on, come on)
That raindrops would fall
(Keep rain falling down
On my face, baby)

Nights like this I wish
That raindrops would fall
(Come on, come on, yeah)
Nights like this I wish
That raindrops would fall
Members don't see this message
(Let then fall, baby)

Nights like this I wish
That raindrops would fall....

Vendetta1 said:

I don't understand why it's groovy for Prince to change his mind like the wind blows but not for Jesse. Maybe, just maybe he didn't want to do this in the first place.

Prince's been called out for some of the shit he does, don't think he's excused. This is JESSE we're talking about. And again if he wants to go solo, no prob, but damn if you gonna decide not to continue the reunion trip, then he shouldn't have gotten involved lol

i dont blame him for leaving. He did it. It didnt sell as noone obviously cares about the time anymore except for 9700 people which is pitiful sales. The band does not want to tour or play the new stuff. Hell, I wouldnt want to stay either. He wants to tour and play and if the Time won't, do it with Dangelo!! Go head Jesse!!

dandeeland said:

i dont blame him for leaving. He did it. It didnt sell as noone obviously cares about the time anymore except for 9700 people which is pitiful sales. The band does not want to tour or play the new stuff. Hell, I wouldnt want to stay either. He wants to tour and play and if the Time won't, do it with Dangelo!! Go head Jesse!!

It's the record label's job to promote a record, otherwise no one knows it's out there to buy. They're the ones who buy ads in magazines or make TV commercials to let people know there's a record. They also do the promo (aka payola) to radio stations. If the promo department is not doing their job, that isn't the band's fault. Now if the O7 printed up their album themselves and released it independently, then it is up to them to do all the promo. The O7 were on a small label, distributed by Time-Life/Warners. Time-Life specializes in hit compilations sold on infomercials, not new release music. As far as getting on the radio they could have done the formula Carlos Santana and other older acts did, which is to get young popular acts or rappers on their album. Which is probably what would happened if they signed to Def Jam, which they were rumored to be doing at one point. It's not like Verbal Penatration did any big business either. So sales couldn't have been Jesse's excuse. From what I understand, hardly anyone gets big album sales today, not even some of the current popular acts. They just have radio hits.

As far as concerts are concerned, from recent interviews, it seems Terry Lewis is the 'manager' of the group. They said Terry takes care of ordinary business, but if there's a big decision, there is a band meeting. So it's supposed to be both the record label and the manager doing things to get the group out there, not just the group in itself.

dandeeland said:

i dont blame him for leaving. He did it. It didnt sell as noone obviously cares about the time anymore except for 9700 people which is pitiful sales. The band does not want to tour or play the new stuff. Hell, I wouldnt want to stay either. He wants to tour and play and if the Time won't, do it with Dangelo!! Go head Jesse!!

If his beef is that they're not playing enough new material then he's right. However, like I said on the other thread, the thing with a reunion is you need to re-establish your brand and gradually acquaint the audience with the new stuff. It's not something that happens instantly especially when we're talking about 20 years between releases and I would think Jesse would have known that going in.

D'Angelo's track record is even worse so how is that a viable option?

Timmy84 said:

Vendetta1 said:

I don't understand why it's groovy for Prince to change his mind like the wind blows but not for Jesse. Maybe, just maybe he didn't want to do this in the first place.

Prince's been called out for some of the shit he does, don't think he's excused. This is JESSE we're talking about. And again if he wants to go solo, no prob, but damn if you gonna decide not to continue the reunion trip, then he shouldn't have gotten involved lol

I agree that there shouldn't be any double standards but Prince's long track record of silliness and my own disappointment aside, I still feel that Jesse's decision is a huge mistake and I hope that he reconsiders.

PAPAROBBIE said:

Jesse Johnson

I feel as though I'm lowering my self values to address this awful, horrible lie/rumor. So I will address this subject once and only once: I have never indulged, advecated the use, or even had the slightest curiosity about personally using drugs. It's incredibley irresponsible to spread rumors of such a nature or any kind for that matter about anyone. It's hurtful, it's disrespectful, it's extremely built on the foundation of cowardice, and more importantly, it minamises the true struggles as well as under appreciates those that have fought the fight and have over come their sever chemical addictions.

As far as me not playing between a certain time, there wasn't a set time for me to play my guitar. This entire week, including yesterday was intirely and tirelessly dedicated to the children and their respective families. What the children/families needed most from all involved; The Young Creator, (and friends i.e. me included) was to deliver on gifts, food, appreciation of their struggles, and to know some one cares, and that my rude ass friends, we did that till we all shed tears of joy!!!!!!

So I ask again with all do respect, for those have nothing positive or beautiful to add to any of our lives, meaning us who dig what positives we together bring to this sight do us all a huge, huge favor and stay the fuck off this sight. We are all grown and I'm sure for the most part know about all the ugliness that happens ever fucking day in the world. So I personally love it when I read comments that are beautiful, full of excitement, and inspiring to me.

So please take that self important comment bull some where else, because it's not wanted or needed here. I also would like to apologize if I offended you because like I sang before: " I beg your pardon I didn't mean you, I'll take the blame you don't stand accuse" (Black In America)
P.S.
Everything we provided including gifts, prizes, food, and performing,
we did all for the love of it. Freeeeeee!

(Hey Hector the other song was "Maggot Brain" and as Hector will testify, I only drink French Press Coffee and damn Ra Pour's coffee is amazing!)

Keep It Soulful!
PeaceLove,
Jesse Johnson Bey ♥

Wow. That shut me up real quick. That was beautiful.

Hopefully this thread gets locked out of respect.

OK, it's just the ego then like I thought.

Timmy84 said:

OK, it's just the ego then like I thought.

No honestly, I think this thread has gone far enough. It's gotten too personal and we have recieved a polite request to chill. All of us should respect that.

Wait a minute? Why close the thread? Nobody here has been disrespectful.

If it was pertaining Prince, yall would call his mom a ho and keep it moving (and open).

Doouble standard mutherfuckers.

rdhull said:

Wait a minute? Why close the thread? Nobody here has been disrespectful.

If it was pertaining Prince, yall would call his mom a ho and keep it moving (and open).

Doouble standard mutherfuckers.

LOL I've seen folks call Prince anything but a child of God on the Prince side. But somehow people once associated with Mr. Nelson gets a freaking pass. They're just as bad or worse as he is on decision making. PLEASE. Least Prince shows he don't give a FUCK what anyone thinks and keeps it moving.

Plus I'm sure Jesse was talking about those who commented on his Facebook page and not here. Y'all act like everybody and their mama knows about this site. Some of y'all are even convinced Jesse posts here. Come on now lol only Prince and his folks know (or did know).

Timmy84 said:

rdhull said:

Wait a minute? Why close the thread? Nobody here has been disrespectful.

If it was pertaining Prince, yall would call his mom a ho and keep it moving (and open).

Doouble standard mutherfuckers.

LOL I've seen folks call Prince anything but a child of God on the Prince side. But somehow people once associated with Mr. Nelson gets a freaking pass. They're just as bad or worse as he is on decision making. PLEASE. Least Prince shows he don't give a FUCK what anyone thinks and keeps it moving.

Exactly.

Another thing: if Prince WAS involved in Condensate you best believe he would have had them contracts rock solid so there would be no all of a sudden mutiny bullshit or there would be hell to pay. Gotta give Prince credit. You work with him and you WILL complete the project . Rooster or no rooster

Prince has calluses from people taunting him, he can handle it.

Prince having a Facebook page alone would be an obvious plea for help. I would back off that instant.

[Edited 12/20/11 13:54pm]

Timmy84 said:

Plus I'm sure Jesse was talking about those who commented on his Facebook page and not here. Y'all act like everybody and their mama knows about this site. Some of y'all are even convinced Jesse posts here. Come on now lol only Prince and his folks know (or did know).

Bingo again. He is repsonding to fools on his fb.

BTW I posted a comment asking if he was okay becasue his previous writings were a bit disturbing and veiled. It was erased. So no negativity for Jesse even if it comnes form a place of concern. If folks are making statements about Jesse and drug use, address it and keep it movin. It isnt like he (and Leeds) are being so forthcoming anyways. These comments and many others are to be expected when you get news of this caliber for a project of O7 caliber. I mean really now: folks are cool with Jesse and his rooster cogburn analogies etc but clown when Prince does his Prince speak and such.

Again..double standards.