Markland said: That is a totally different tone from the last email that was made public on here
There is nothing unreasonable in that email, quite the opposite The email is restricted to material over which Prince does hold the intellectual property rights, i.e. his music Not unreasonable and first glance, but this is being sent to individual users of a community that has been around for as long as this site, that has lots of rules about what to share and what not to share, and Prince has been aware of its existence since its creation. "this especially prepared potato is called pomme de terre" | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: xplnyrslf said: God only knows what fans would do, if they found out he had a "virginia"..... all hell would break loose!!! What if he had a West Virginia!!!!! oooooh the trouble typos cause... U want to know the secreat of love and happiness? Love GOD with all your heart, mind soul and strength. And love your neighboor as yourself. | |
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1KissAtATyme said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: What if he had a West Virginia!!!!! oooooh the trouble typos cause... But think about it though. That would mean he had hillbilly's for balls! 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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m3taverse said: Markland said: That is a totally different tone from the last email that was made public on here There is nothing unreasonable in that email, quite the opposite The email is restricted to material over which Prince does hold the intellectual property rights, i.e. his music What is confusing is it appears to originate from "DS" and seems to be sent TO web sheriff not from, despite the fact it is signed "web sheriff" So it looks like web sheriff is sending emails to itself to tell itself not to have anything to do with bootlegs??? Doesn't make sense There's some things that messed up when this was copy pasted ... Subject: PRINCE From: "DS" (ds@websheriff.com) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:36:59 -0000 To: (removed by me) [Edited 11/7/07 15:36pm] [Edited 11/7/07 15:38pm] This was sent directly to you? Was it sent to your personal email? Or was it sent to you via the fan sites? If so, which one, please use an orgnote, if that makes you feel more comfortable. I just need to know which bounds Web Sheriff is overstepping before I start making phone calls. I'd like to speak to My Congressman! Yes, I'll hold! | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: 1KissAtATyme said: oooooh the trouble typos cause... But think about it though. That would mean he had hillbilly's for balls! Hillbillys for balls?? *laughs* U want to know the secreat of love and happiness? Love GOD with all your heart, mind soul and strength. And love your neighboor as yourself. | |
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SexyBeautifulOne said: m3taverse said: There's some things that messed up when this was copy pasted ... Subject: PRINCE From: "DS" (ds@websheriff.com) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:36:59 -0000 To: (removed by me) [Edited 11/7/07 15:36pm] [Edited 11/7/07 15:38pm] This was sent directly to you? Was it sent to your personal email? Or was it sent to you via the fan sites? If so, which one, please use an orgnote, if that makes you feel more comfortable. I just need to know which bounds Web Sheriff is overstepping before I start making phone calls. I'd like to speak to My Congressman! Yes, I'll hold! This was not sent to me, but it was sent to several people i converse with daily. Directly to their personal email address. I'm not entirely sure how the addresses were retrieved, but I think it involves people who have been less discrete with personal information. People were not addressed by their real names, their "screen names" were used. "this especially prepared potato is called pomme de terre" | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: xplnyrslf said: God only knows what fans would do, if they found out he had a "virginia"..... all hell would break loose!!! What if he had a West Virginia!!!!! Any old Virginia.....NO! make that a NEW virginia! | |
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m3taverse said: SexyBeautifulOne said: This was sent directly to you? Was it sent to your personal email? Or was it sent to you via the fan sites? If so, which one, please use an orgnote, if that makes you feel more comfortable. I just need to know which bounds Web Sheriff is overstepping before I start making phone calls. I'd like to speak to My Congressman! Yes, I'll hold! This was not sent to me, but it was sent to several people i converse with daily. Directly to their personal email address. I'm not entirely sure how the addresses were retrieved, but I think it involves people who have been less discrete with personal information. People were not addressed by their real names, their "screen names" were used. Oh, I see. Tell them to save their emails and any future correspondence. If they were referred to by their screen names from any of the 3 fan sites that are in PFU, and none of those sites are involved in any file sharing, those emails constitute harassment and intimidation and if I were them, I'd sue the badge off Web Sheriff! Send me an email Web Sheriff! | |
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xplnyrslf said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: What if he had a West Virginia!!!!! Any old Virginia.....NO! make that a NEW virginia! Well he could always keep the old one and have Virginiaplasty 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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As much as we love Prince, as much as we would like to consider ourselves part of his success, we are not who "made" him. God (by whatever name) made him, gave him his talent, and introduced it to the world, and Prince has worked harder than anyone I've ever seen to perfect his craft. It's his work, his image, his life over which he wants control. Who of us does not want that to the extent we can get it?
I imagine that fine line between love and hate finally dissolved. I went to PFU today with great sadness, which soon turned to anger. Such hate from those who supposedly loved; not just hate for Prince, but racial and homophobic rage. Nothing good can come from this site. No one will win this battle. As of today, I believe we have all lost the acceptance, the love, the freedom, and the incredible togetherness we once shared from Prince's music. I hope all the ego trips are worth it. Amy You ask me to forgive you, when you know I'm just an addict. | |
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Not fair....I want a warning from Web Sheriff too!!!!!
I've been around longer than 99.9% of people on here and by dodgy CD's fill a room! Please Web Sheriff, send me a warning. I'll even let you burn my bootlegs! (thats burn a copy, not stick them in a fire). I would love a fight with these people! Come on. I'll have you for breakfast. What are you, yellow? What do I have to do, call Prince a prick? How about me posting a picture of P? . | |
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Markland said: Ritaw yes this is to do with the PFU site
The statements from web sheriff appear to contradict each other thought so - people on this site seem to think that they will be unable to say anything at all about Prince and/or his music but I haven't seen that anywhere or have i missed something here. I thought it all referred to visual images etc. which is not an uncommon request these days vis a vis copyright/intellectual property issues which are becoming ever more important - i have to deal with this and i only work in education. so has there been an over-reaction by fans? "C'mon y'all - let me hear you sing, c'mon y'all, shake, c'mon y'all, jump" - Yes Prince -
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adavislv2cdwn said: As much as we love Prince, as much as we would like to consider ourselves part of his success, we are not who "made" him. God (by whatever name) made him, gave him his talent, and introduced it to the world, and Prince has worked harder than anyone I've ever seen to perfect his craft. It's his work, his image, his life over which he wants control. Who of us does not want that to the extent we can get it?
I imagine that fine line between love and hate finally dissolved. I went to PFU today with great sadness, which soon turned to anger. Such hate from those who supposedly loved; not just hate for Prince, but racial and homophobic rage. Nothing good can come from this site. No one will win this battle. As of today, I believe we have all lost the acceptance, the love, the freedom, and the incredible togetherness we once shared from Prince's music. I hope all the ego trips are worth it. Amy God bought all those CD's and concert tickets? God signed him to several multi-million record deals? I just want to be clear. Yes, the guy is talented, and it may be God-given, but I don't think I've ever seen Prince go on record as saying God forked over one red cent to put him in the pop-star stratosphere. "Half of what I say is meaningless; but I say it so that the other half may reach you." - Kahlil Gibran | |
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EmancipationLover said: Can the following scenario be completely ruled out at this stage?
Prince, known to be a control freak, hires some company to get copyright violations of his work removed from the web. They just take it too far and overdo everything, screw up, and then send out other letters in order to cover up their sloppy work. Maybe Prince hasn't really taken notice up to this very point where it is about to become a major media story. and loads of free publicity "C'mon y'all - let me hear you sing, c'mon y'all, shake, c'mon y'all, jump" - Yes Prince -
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ritaw said: Markland said: Ritaw yes this is to do with the PFU site
The statements from web sheriff appear to contradict each other thought so - people on this site seem to think that they will be unable to say anything at all about Prince and/or his music but I haven't seen that anywhere or have i missed something here. I thought it all referred to visual images etc. which is not an uncommon request these days vis a vis copyright/intellectual property issues which are becoming ever more important - i have to deal with this and i only work in education. so has there been an over-reaction by fans? Either Ben (the owner of this site) lied, or shit has really hit the fan. This is what Ben has on the orgs homepage right now: "demands for removing content and mandating how we would refer to Prince, if obliged, would essentially mean the end of any discussion of Prince-related topics, hosting of images (even of people's symbol tattoos!) and more." I have no reason to distrust Ben, whereas I'm familiar with Prince's tactics over the years. So no, I don't think people are overreacting. "this especially prepared potato is called pomme de terre" | |
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adavislv2cdwn said: As much as we love Prince, as much as we would like to consider ourselves part of his success, we are not who "made" him. God (by whatever name) made him, gave him his talent, and introduced it to the world, and Prince has worked harder than anyone I've ever seen to perfect his craft. It's his work, his image, his life over which he wants control. Who of us does not want that to the extent we can get it?
I imagine that fine line between love and hate finally dissolved. I went to PFU today with great sadness, which soon turned to anger. Such hate from those who supposedly loved; not just hate for Prince, but racial and homophobic rage. Nothing good can come from this site. No one will win this battle. As of today, I believe we have all lost the acceptance, the love, the freedom, and the incredible togetherness we once shared from Prince's music. I hope all the ego trips are worth it. Amy Oh please. IF there weren't people there to acknowledge his god given gift and give him MONEY for it, he wouldn't be where he is god or no god. and where are you seeing comments on the PFU site? I haven't seen anything other than the front page to send them a message. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SquirrelMeat said: Not fair....I want a warning from Web Sheriff too!!!!!
I've been around longer than 99.9% of people on here and by dodgy CD's fill a room! Please Web Sheriff, send me a warning. I'll even let you burn my bootlegs! (thats burn a copy, not stick them in a fire). I would love a fight with these people! Come on. I'll have you for breakfast. What are you, yellow? What do I have to do, call Prince a prick? How about me posting a picture of P? That is obviously an imperonater! 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Markland said: m3taverse said: And the gloves have officialy come off... this is a letter being sent to individual users right now:
Subject: PRINCE From: "DS" Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:36:59 -0000 To: Web Sheriff Protecting Your Rights on the Internet Tel 44-(0)208-323 8013 / Fax 44-(0)208-323 8080 websheriff@websheriff.com www.websheriff.com STRICTLY PRIVATE & CONFIDENTIAL ATTENTION ADDRESSEES ONLY WITHOUT PREJUDICE Hi XXXXX On behalf of AEG Worldwide and NPG / PRINCE, we would kindly ask you not to file-share illegal / unauthorized bootleg and pirate recordings of PRINCE (whether through XXX or elsewhere). For your info, XXXX is now being closed down and we would again kindly ask you not to try and join any att empted replacement ring, network, forum or site. As you may be aware, web-traffic relating to PRINCE's intellectual property rights is now being monitored and, where appropriate, removed … .. and not just by Web Sheriff, but also by music industry associations / attorneys so, if you insist upon collecting bootleg / pirate recordings - which, obviously, PRINCE would rather that you didn't - then please retain them for personal use off-line / do not ‘broadcast’ thevmia web-rings, forums, p2p applications or blogs etc. On behalf of AEG Worldwide and NPG / PRINCE, we do appreciate that - of course - you are valued fans of / are promoting PRINCE but, by the same token, you must also appreciate that, by distributing bootleg or pirate recordings (or linking to similar material), you are potentially causing considerable inconvenience and we are sure that you would not want to be personally responsible (or liable) for any of the resulting damage and dsiruption. Whilst writing, we’d add that PRINCE / NPG and AEG Worldwide are not at all against free music but, at the end of the day, it should be (and is) the artist’s decision as to whether or n ohte effectively allows the unauthorized distribution of (unauthorized) material on-line - as it’s HIS MUSIC / PERFORMANCE !! Thank you, again, for respecting their wishes. As you will appreciate, this e-mail - containing, as it does, a position that is potentially prejudicial to our clients’ enforcement of their rights - is written on a without prejudice basis and, as such, all of our clients’ accumulated, worldwide rights remain strictly reserved : please excuse this required f ormality. With Thanks & Regards, WEB SHERIFF That is a totally different tone from the last email that was made public on here There is nothing unreasonable in that email, quite the opposite The email is restricted to material over which Prince does hold the intellectual property rights, i.e. his music What is confusing is it appears to originate from "DS" and seems to be sent TO web sheriff not from, despite the fact it is signed "web sheriff" So it looks like web sheriff is sending emails to itself to tell itself not to have anything to do with bootlegs??? Doesn't make sense who is DS? "C'mon y'all - let me hear you sing, c'mon y'all, shake, c'mon y'all, jump" - Yes Prince -
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: adavislv2cdwn said: As much as we love Prince, as much as we would like to consider ourselves part of his success, we are not who "made" him. God (by whatever name) made him, gave him his talent, and introduced it to the world, and Prince has worked harder than anyone I've ever seen to perfect his craft. It's his work, his image, his life over which he wants control. Who of us does not want that to the extent we can get it?
I imagine that fine line between love and hate finally dissolved. I went to PFU today with great sadness, which soon turned to anger. Such hate from those who supposedly loved; not just hate for Prince, but racial and homophobic rage. Nothing good can come from this site. No one will win this battle. As of today, I believe we have all lost the acceptance, the love, the freedom, and the incredible togetherness we once shared from Prince's music. I hope all the ego trips are worth it. Amy Oh please. IF there weren't people there to acknowledge his god given gift and give him MONEY for it, he wouldn't be where he is god or no god. and where are you seeing comments on the PFU site? I haven't seen anything other than the front page to send them a message. Click the little button that says read messages. You ask me to forgive you, when you know I'm just an addict. | |
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ritaw said: Markland said: That is a totally different tone from the last email that was made public on here There is nothing unreasonable in that email, quite the opposite The email is restricted to material over which Prince does hold the intellectual property rights, i.e. his music What is confusing is it appears to originate from "DS" and seems to be sent TO web sheriff not from, despite the fact it is signed "web sheriff" So it looks like web sheriff is sending emails to itself to tell itself not to have anything to do with bootlegs??? Doesn't make sense who is DS? I think Michael Jackson did a really crap song about him on the HIStory album. "Half of what I say is meaningless; but I say it so that the other half may reach you." - Kahlil Gibran | |
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Raze said: adavislv2cdwn said: As much as we love Prince, as much as we would like to consider ourselves part of his success, we are not who "made" him. God (by whatever name) made him, gave him his talent, and introduced it to the world, and Prince has worked harder than anyone I've ever seen to perfect his craft. It's his work, his image, his life over which he wants control. Who of us does not want that to the extent we can get it?
I imagine that fine line between love and hate finally dissolved. I went to PFU today with great sadness, which soon turned to anger. Such hate from those who supposedly loved; not just hate for Prince, but racial and homophobic rage. Nothing good can come from this site. No one will win this battle. As of today, I believe we have all lost the acceptance, the love, the freedom, and the incredible togetherness we once shared from Prince's music. I hope all the ego trips are worth it. Amy God bought all those CD's and concert tickets? God signed him to several multi-million record deals? I just want to be clear. Yes, the guy is talented, and it may be God-given, but I don't think I've ever seen Prince go on record as saying God forked over one red cent to put him in the pop-star stratosphere. No, but I'm pretty sure he's the first one he thanks in the liner notes. You ask me to forgive you, when you know I'm just an addict. | |
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m3taverse said: ritaw said: thought so - people on this site seem to think that they will be unable to say anything at all about Prince and/or his music but I haven't seen that anywhere or have i missed something here. I thought it all referred to visual images etc. which is not an uncommon request these days vis a vis copyright/intellectual property issues which are becoming ever more important - i have to deal with this and i only work in education. so has there been an over-reaction by fans? Either Ben (the owner of this site) lied, or shit has really hit the fan. This is what Ben has on the orgs homepage right now: "demands for removing content and mandating how we would refer to Prince, if obliged, would essentially mean the end of any discussion of Prince-related topics, hosting of images (even of people's symbol tattoos!) and more." I have no reason to distrust Ben, whereas I'm familiar with Prince's tactics over the years. So no, I don't think people are overreacting. its just that I haven't seen anything in the legal correspondence posted that says this - presumably it is from other documents - I have no reason to disbelieve Ben - just haven't seen it myself "C'mon y'all - let me hear you sing, c'mon y'all, shake, c'mon y'all, jump" - Yes Prince -
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: adavislv2cdwn said: As much as we love Prince, as much as we would like to consider ourselves part of his success, we are not who "made" him. God (by whatever name) made him, gave him his talent, and introduced it to the world, and Prince has worked harder than anyone I've ever seen to perfect his craft. It's his work, his image, his life over which he wants control. Who of us does not want that to the extent we can get it?
I imagine that fine line between love and hate finally dissolved. I went to PFU today with great sadness, which soon turned to anger. Such hate from those who supposedly loved; not just hate for Prince, but racial and homophobic rage. Nothing good can come from this site. No one will win this battle. As of today, I believe we have all lost the acceptance, the love, the freedom, and the incredible togetherness we once shared from Prince's music. I hope all the ego trips are worth it. Amy Oh please. IF there weren't people there to acknowledge his god given gift and give him MONEY for it, he wouldn't be where he is god or no god. and where are you seeing comments on the PFU site? I haven't seen anything other than the front page to send them a message. You gotta click the read messages button towards the bottom of the screen. I just found it myself. | |
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Raze said: ritaw said: who is DS? I think Michael Jackson did a really crap song about him on the HIStory album. | |
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ritaw said: m3taverse said: Either Ben (the owner of this site) lied, or shit has really hit the fan. This is what Ben has on the orgs homepage right now: "demands for removing content and mandating how we would refer to Prince, if obliged, would essentially mean the end of any discussion of Prince-related topics, hosting of images (even of people's symbol tattoos!) and more." I have no reason to distrust Ben, whereas I'm familiar with Prince's tactics over the years. So no, I don't think people are overreacting. its just that I haven't seen anything in the legal correspondence posted that says this - presumably it is from other documents - I have no reason to disbelieve Ben - just haven't seen it myself As fast as Web Sheriff is trying to back peddle, I believe Ben! | |
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ritaw said: m3taverse said: Either Ben (the owner of this site) lied, or shit has really hit the fan. This is what Ben has on the orgs homepage right now: "demands for removing content and mandating how we would refer to Prince, if obliged, would essentially mean the end of any discussion of Prince-related topics, hosting of images (even of people's symbol tattoos!) and more." I have no reason to distrust Ben, whereas I'm familiar with Prince's tactics over the years. So no, I don't think people are overreacting. its just that I haven't seen anything in the legal correspondence posted that says this - presumably it is from other documents - I have no reason to disbelieve Ben - just haven't seen it myself The web sheriff tells people that he will take them to court if they show the letters to anyone else. I'm sure we'll see them at some point, especially if the sheriff is going around telling the press pfu is lying, but it would be unwise to do so without consulting lawyers first. "this especially prepared potato is called pomme de terre" | |
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Talking about bootlegs - now that Prince has decided to work against his fans websites rather than with them, how about relaxing the rules on where you can find bootlegs. That would really piss the Web Sheriff off.
Will be interesting to see what The Pirate Bay do with their take down notice. Somehow I can't see them complying, all they will do is take the the piss out of the Web Sheriff. Let the games begin..... [Edited 11/7/07 16:32pm] Say hello to Podge | |
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adavislv2cdwn said: [quote:2ba6d31253]Raze said: [quote:2ba6d31253]God bought all those CD's and concert tickets? God signed him to several multi-million record deals? I just want to be clear. Yes, the guy is talented, and it may be God-given, but I don't think I've ever seen [b:2ba6d31253]Prince go on record as saying God forked over one red cent to put him in the pop-star stratosphere[/b:2ba6d31253].[/quote:2ba6d31253] No, but I'm pretty sure he's the first one he thanks in the liner notes.[/quote:2ba6d31253] So does every 2 bit piece of shit gangsta-rapper. What's your point? "Half of what I say is meaningless; but I say it so that the other half may reach you." - Kahlil Gibran | |
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