It is remarkable how many of the "serves HQ right" type members have similar login names to banned members on HQ.

wonder505 said
i disagree. not everyone would have handled things the same way in response to requests/letters. not saying how HQ handled it was right or wrong. I'm sure they did the best they can under the circumstances. i just don't believe that this battle/problem between Prince and HQ should automatically translates to battle between all fans and Prince.[/quote]


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wonder505 said:

I understand your point, a lot of fans maybe do not even know what is going on at this moment.
From my point of view, as a fan, i do not want (and am not going) to be a slave (using Prince's phrase from a while ago). The whole feeling i get out of this is the fact that Prince is trying to control everything.
Maybe i am a dreamer (Motley) but it would be a great thing if Prince started working together with his fans (as in websites like the Org and HQ). since the ONA tour i have been braining about this.
We as a (big) community, can work together communicating with the Prince camp about certain aspects. I have a feeling Prince is expecting us to do so and so. but we (as a community) do not see anything in return.
For example: I am refering to the ticketsales for the London dates. Nobody from the Prince camp has communicated to us (as in fans) about this.
Though i know and can confirm they discussed this in the Prince camp.
How strange that Prince has never put a message on 3121.com about the way this was handled.
Now this "control thing" is happening and he is trying to hurt the ones that, in the end, he needs the most.
I do not see the point in that.
Of course i understand not everyone agrees with what i am saying/thinking. Though, i know there are a lot out there that do.

Copycat said:

Can't disagree with that. HQ have a a hard on for Prince in recent months - ok that is up to them. I also think Prince is not exactly playing nice.

But to capitulate in the way they did is wrong. They have no excuse. Oh and yes I am banned from HQ but that doesn't sway my comments either way.

You've bought up a good point there Tammie with regards to tickets.

Despite what people think about HQ, we do try hard to represent the fans and as a result spent a great deal of time trying to talk to AEG and the NPG team to resolve those ticket disputes.

AEG didn't reply to a single email and the NPG team told us that it was 100% AEG's issue and they refused to get involved other than forwarding my messages.

swanny said:

You paying our legal bills then Nige ?

Gav said:

Of course mate - you know I love you.

I am just having a hard time understanding why Aaron took the decison(s) he did last week.

Gav said:

there are numerous organizations that promote free speech who would jump all over this case...for free.

wonder505 said:

If this battle/problem as you call it were just between Housequake and Prince, you'd be right in you're assessment. However this is about more than just Housequake! It involves almost every place online where Prince fans congregate.

It is safe to say that this battle is between all fans and Prince because if we keep sticking our heads in the sand on this, it is going to effect each and every one of us, in one way or another, whether it relates to Prince or not!

SexyBeautifulOne said:

Thank you!

sosgemini said:

Getting pro-bono reprepsentation is not as easy as you think sos.

If only life were that simple.

Gav said:

depends on who you know and how you ask.

SexyBeautifulOne said:

There are many fans who just DON'T CARE. Many fans are not fazed by the request to remove pics or images. Many fans' lives are not affected this, many fans just want to enjoy the music and a good show, and many fans believe there are more important things going on in this world to fight about.

If you choose to personalize this and include yourself in the battle (and you do make some valid points), then so be it, I support you, but don't drag others into this by assuming its about ALL FANS, because its not. This is not to downplay how you and others feel, but there is NO BATTLE between me and Prince. Now do I like what he's doing, hell no! Do I understand how everyone feels, hell yes! but um..like.. whatever.
[Edited 10/1/07 10:11am]

Gav said:

I find it even more remarkable that HQ has so many banned members. My 1st response would be, Why do they have so many banned members?

Graycap23 said:

My first response would be maybe they have banned members because those banned broke the rules. How logical a reason! (I don't know the circumstances but there are usually 3 sides to every story-each of the people involved and the truth.)

Please, 5 - 10 people have posted here that HQ banned them? Out of hundreds (thousands?) of members who have not been banned, that's a fairly small percentage. I'm sure the Org has banned people too, obviously they can't post about that here because they're---ummmm---banned from doing so!

There's an awfully lot of talking loud and saying nothing going on imvho.

cream72 said:

At HQ we didn't throw it out in the open immediately. This has been going on since 2003 and now it got out of hand. I am 99% sure that the org or any other fansite didn't get as much demands as HQ. Otherwise a lot more would have been disappeared from the web.
[Edited 10/1/07 10:26am]

DevotedPuppy said:

Key word in your response? Your OPINION. I was not asking u.

dothejump said:

thats a negative...check out anxiety's comments in the site discussion for an eloquent breakdown of the difference between the two sites.

http://prince.org/msg/3/247301

Graycap23 said:

Oh, I'm sorry. Excuse me for responding to a question posed on a public forum. My bad.

DevotedPuppy said:

100% agree.

sosgemini said:

You quoted me before I edited my post. If only I could write in Dutch.
[Edited 10/1/07 10:32am]

sosgemini said:

So you know how to secure pro-bono representation for a fan site being potentially sued for copyright infringment of photos that you also have on a website that you moderate, yet you don't provide any information other than a vague "I know someone that you don't know".

That's rather sad in my opinion

Gav said:

No it aint sad, Housequake got into this mess no one asked you to be Robin Hood

cream72 said:

childish pathetic ....

cream72 said:

it is sad considering the same person admonished me for making vague references but not posting specifics in a separate thread. what's the difference?

xenophobia2002 said:

My middle names that


And crying about not getting your own way isnt.

Gav said:

sad?...i don't know you...i don't hang out at hq...i have no vested interest and your tone here doesn't really make me want to jump up and down and help you...this ain't the org's battle. its hqs...and if the time comes when the org has to deal with sh*t then i would be more then happy to pull whatever resources to make sure that the org's rights are protected.


now like i said, if you had engaged folks in a collaberative tone maybe i would feel compelled to help you out...instead, im rather annoyed...expecially after your above post...what the f*ck is that all about?


*the funny thing is, i was giving your arse a hint and instead you took it as a negative. class!!
[Edited 10/1/07 12:07pm]

txladykat said:

say what? are you talking about me?

wonder505 said:

You're entitled to feel the way you do. As I'm entitled to feel the way I do.

I will say this though, while you're standing on the sidelines not wanting to ruffle any Royal feathers, know that those that aren't afraid to, in spite of it all, will be ruffling them for you too!

SexyBeautifulOne said:

Some people in this forum are taking things too personal.
repeating themselves several times by saying not every fan gives a shit about what is happening.
If you do not care then why are you posting in this discussion.
In the end the people who care, as in the ones that are "ruffeling royal feathers" (love that one) hope to get somewhere with all of this.