onlyforaminute said:

EmmaMcG said:

Well if that's all you took from the Snyder Cut version of the character then there's nothing I can really say to that

I've already said i missd some of the synder cut. I doubt i missed enough to warrant a whole origin story movie though. Ready to move forward. On to the apocalypse.

just watch the movie before you comment any further

nayroo2002 said:

EmmaMcG said:

J.J Abrams is rebooting Superman for Warner Bros, seemingly putting an end to any hopes that we'd get a sequel to Man of Steel. Word around the campfire suggests that not only are they recasting the lead role but they're looking to cast a black actor as Superman. I'm all for more black (and female, for that matter) superhero movies but fuck me, this just sounds like an awful idea. It kind of reminds me of the time some idiot at a movie studio thought it would be a good idea to make an all-female Ghostbusters movie. And we seen how that turned out. Now, this "black Superman" movie probably won't be as bad as that, and may even turn out to be a good movie, but it won't be Superman. Not to me. Rather than making traditionally white heroes black would it not be better to make movies of already black heroes? Just a thought.

So the Kryptonian is supposed to be white, for you?

onlyforaminute said:

EmmaMcG said:

EmmaMcG said:

namepeace said:

So the Kryptonian is supposed to be white, for you?

Let's see... I don't read comics but I've seen images from comics and Clark Kent is always portrayed as a white man. George Reeves was white. Christopher Reeve was white. Brandon Routh is white. Tom Welling is white. Henry Cavill is white. I'll grant you that Dean Cain is part Asian but traditionally, the character of Kal-El is portrayed as a white man. So, to answer your question, yes. To me, the Kryptonian is supposed to be white. So, the character has always been drawn white therefore the character must always be white? Okay.

Now, don't give me any of that bullshit of "it's a fictional character, he can be any colour" because that's just an excuse. And a flimsy one at that. Changing a character's race or gender just for the sake of it is horseshit. Kal-El is a white character. Blade is a black character. The Ghostbusters are male. For some reason studios love to fuck around with this kind of thing and I can't think of any examples where it was successful. Critically or commercially.

The thought that an alien has always been drawn white therefore he can't be drawn any other way is even weaker.

Plus, you don't even know what the script or film will look like yet. You can't say that a "change" of Kal-El's "race" is "just for the sake of it." Seems like you've just assumed that a take on Superman being a black man won't have anything else to say or add, even with one of the most acclaimed thinkers and writers of the last decade writing the script.

onlyforaminute said:

EmmaMcG said:

namepeace said:

So the Kryptonian is supposed to be white, for you?

Let's see... I don't read comics but I've seen images from comics and Clark Kent is always portrayed as a white man. George Reeves was white. Christopher Reeve was white. Brandon Routh is white. Tom Welling is white. Henry Cavill is white. I'll grant you that Dean Cain is part Asian but traditionally, the character of Kal-El is portrayed as a white man. So, to answer your question, yes. To me, the Kryptonian is supposed to be white. So, the character has always been drawn white therefore the character must always be white? Okay.

Now, don't give me any of that bullshit of "it's a fictional character, he can be any colour" because that's just an excuse. And a flimsy one at that. Changing a character's race or gender just for the sake of it is horseshit. Kal-El is a white character. Blade is a black character. The Ghostbusters are male. For some reason studios love to fuck around with this kind of thing and I can't think of any examples where it was successful. Critically or commercially.

The thought that an alien has always been drawn white therefore he can't be drawn any other way is even weaker.

Plus, you don't even know what the script or film will look like yet. You can't say that a "change" of Kal-El's "race" is "just for the sake of it." Seems like you've just assumed that a take on Superman being a black man won't have anything else to say or add, even with one of the most acclaimed thinkers and writers of the last decade writing the script.

EmmaMcG said:

EmmaMcG said:

onlyforaminute said:

I I finally realized they aren't doing what Marvel's doing. Which obviously they don't have to. So I'll be missing chunks of this universe and not worry about it. I never saw WW84 and I probably won't, I'm not feeling compelled to seek it out. I may do the Snyder cut again. Maybe. I thought it held some explanation for what's next but I guess it's what's next with his projects specifically.

That's the thing though. They did try to do what Marvel's doing and they fucked up big time by failing to grasp what makes the Marvel movies so successful. Long-term planning. The DCEU had none of that. Sure, Zack Snyder had his own ideas of where it was going but Warner decided, as they did with Richard Donner and Tim Burton, that his vision was "too dark" and so they fired him and hired Joss Whedon who, in fairness, is a pretty good director but nobody would have been able to turn Zack Snyder's Justice League cut into a two hour, "fun" movie and make it watchable. Since then, the DCEU has moved on and honestly, it's all turned into a bit of a shitshow. Cavill seems to be out as Superman for good, Affleck says his appearance in The Flash will be his last as Batman and even Zack Snyder seems convinced that he's done with superheroes for now. Some WB bigwig said in a statement that there won't be any follow up or sequel to the Snyder Cut so that all seems pretty definitive. But look, it is what it is. I still have Christopher Reeve and Michael Keaton as my Superman and Batman. Nothing after that counts as far as I'm concerned. Plus, I still have the MCU, which I've been following since the beginning. I do feel bad for people who don't like the MCU and were counting on the DCEU for their superhero fix but these things are cyclical. I'm sure at some point there'll be another good Superman movie made. It may be a while though. How many years were there between Superman 2 and Man of Steel again?

They DID have a plan (Snyder's/Jim Lee's plan) that strayed from the Marvel formula and had a full arc for each chyaracter already planned out but when Man of Steel disappointed WB and demanded Batman to be in BvS and BvS "flopped" then they pulled the plug on the original plans and decided to try and copy the Marvel formula. (Marvel hastily copying BvS by pitting Iron Man against Captain America in Civil War was a headscratcher regarding them having a plan tho.)
Snyder's/Lee's plan was much more interesting than what Marvel did and he was fully aware that he didn't need tpo copy them but sadly WB didn't/doesn't agree and there choice of sticking with the flops as canon as opposed to the succesful world building movie that the Snyder Cut is is another WB backwards dumb decision.

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EmmaMcG said:

The Godzilla/Kong thing is kind of fun but also kind of terrible.

Well, people who are into Godzilla generally don't care about the humans or what they're doing. Just want to see monsters fight and smash buildings.

These Hollywood made Godzilla movies seem to take place at night or a cloudy day where you can't see anything. Also there were no singing twins for Mothra in King Of The Monsters. Shin Godzilla takes place in the daytime, but that was Japanese made.

new trailer (click on poster)

JorisE73 said:

EmmaMcG said:

MickyDolenz said:

EmmaMcG said:

The Godzilla/Kong thing is kind of fun but also kind of terrible.

Well, people who are into Godzilla generally don't care about the humans or what they're doing. Just want to see monsters fight and smash buildings.

These Hollywood made Godzilla movies seem to take place at night or a cloudy day where you can't see anything. Also there were no singing twins for Mothra in King Of The Monsters. Shin Godzilla takes place in the daytime, but that was Japanese made.

Exactly. The only human G-Fans cared about was Dr. Serizawa from the 1954 original (still the best and most serious Godzilla film).

Godzilla vs. Kong next week and Mortal Kombat in April.

EmmaMcG said:

JorisE73 said:

Good joke. What I said is well known and not even a secret, the Russo brothers were always open about this. Even in 2016: https://screenrant.com/ca...-inspired/ https://www.businessinsid...nce-2016-4 https://www.indiewire.com...ce-292078/

They started writing the screenplay in 2013, the year Man of Steel came out and long before WB decided to fuck everything up by insisting on putting Batman in the sequel. You think they just made the movie within the timeframe of WB announcing BVS and Civil War releasing? Have you any idea how long it takes to make even a standalone movie of that size, let alone one that ties into so many other different movies and sets the stage for the Infinity Saga? I know the Russos are good but NOBODY is that good. Kevin Feige has said himself how long they've been planning on doing that movie. Pretty much since the original comic book came out in 2006/7. Long before The Russos were involved in the project. So explain to me again how Marvel adapting one of their own comic books from 2007 is inspired by a movie that came out nearly 10 years later. The bottom line is that WB have consistently fucked up their own movie universe by trying to play catch-up with Marvel and as much as I don't like to admit it, Marvel have been the clear "winners" in every conceivable way. Better box office returns, more critical acclaim, generating more hype amongst their fanbase and most importantly of all, far, far better movies. They have had a clear vision from the very beginning of where their stories are going and are now planning their next 10 years worth of movies. Compare that with Warner who seem to change their mind after each movie and have no clear idea what they're doing, despite their fans telling them over and over again what they want. They haven't a clue what they're doing and the quality of their movies shows that.

That;'s not he point I was trying to make.
The Civil War storyline as a movie plan wasn't even a thing yet (and both Feige and teh Russo's have gone on record about that and they know better than you) until BvS was anounced (and Kevin Feige and Geoff Johns have been close enough for them to know and share there plans, again this is all on record from Feige/Johns and the Russos)
Captain America 3 would have been a completely different movie and story if it wasn't for BvS.
And that is what made me scratch my head because me too thought this was planned years ago, but back in 2015/2016 when news came about BvS and in reaction Marvel abandonning Captain America 3 for Civil War is what surpised me. This not an attack I'm just saying what they have been saying on record for years (even well after both movies were released and now again with teh release of the Snyder Cut) Feige and Johns both said neither wanted to copy each other simply because Marvel and DC are completely different entities but then Feige backtracked on that when BvS was (internally) announced right after teh release of Man of Steel in 2013 (and probably Disney forcing him) and WB forced Johns who then backstabbed and scratched Snyder's/Lee's plans for a pay day.