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...Spears sat at a piano — barefoot, in what appeared to be a wood-nymph outfit....
I read a different review online that said that she could look forward to a future as a phone-sex operator. "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven
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Well that's a shocker! | |
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jillybean said: From imdb.com
"Britney Spears' Onyx Hotel tour has kicked off to a bad start, she has been accused of making "desperate attempts to shock". Spears began her North American tour in San Diego, California, on March 2, and when it hit Los Angeles on Monday, it failed to impress Los Angeles Daily News critic Fred Shuster. He writes, "Spears was wheeled on stage in a tall chariot, looking for all the world like a statue of Lenin, if the Russian dictator had been a beefy bottle-blond aerobics instructor. The robotic pelvic thrusts began almost immediately. Much has been made of the show's allegedly racy content. But as a second male dancer's head was being pulled into Spears's crotch Monday, the night's sole irony became enticingly clear - the tour is promoted by Clear Channel, the radio broadcasting giant that recently dropped Howard Stern from six of its stations and has taken a self-congratulatory stand against what it called public decency. More troubling is Spears' continued inability to realize how dull she is when she's not acting as glorified ringmaster. As she sat down at the piano to simulate a ballad 'that's close to my heart' she announced that after all she'd suffered at the hands of the press, 'At the end of the day, it's made me what I am today.' A frat boy in the back row had a rejoinder: 'Whatever.' Toxic might be the best way to describe Spears' Onyx Hotel roadshow"." I almost feel bad for her. She knows she can't rely on her singing, so she has all these people in her circle telling her to sex/skank it up to get people to notice. When Madonna did it, it was fresh and cool, when Britney does it, it's embarassing and bland. Why? I think with Madonna it had something to do with: a) She had good material b) She did it with chutzpah and intelligence c) She could sing live | |
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locoarts said: Spears opened the show by welcoming the audience to the Onyx Hotel, saying "Once you check in, you can't check out." Sounds more like the Bates Motel.
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VoicesCarry said: I think with Madonna it had something to do with: a) She had good material b) She did it with chutzpah and intelligence c) She could sing live well, the people attending the shows apparently think she has good material. i agree, though, that madonna had a smarter presentation. as for singing live...back in the day, madonna lip synced a lot. she also danced a lot more, giving need for a reason to lip sync. however, when madonna tries to sing without a clip track...well, i wouldn't say ol' girl "could sing live." | |
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Britney's all flash, no substance?
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I bet Britney "really feels she's growing as an artist." | |
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Concert Review
Britney's all flash, no substance No shit. It's official: Britney is the new Madonna.
Only Madonna did it better the first time around. Spare me. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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i think we are kind of forgetting that by the time madonna hit the scene, she was an adult. not only an adult, but an adult who struggled as a broke ass performer in nyc. madonna had a lot of street smarts by the time her self titled record came out and even more smarts for like a virgin. britney was, what, 15 or 16 when she hit? she has grown up in front of us. madonna got to make most of her mistakes before the camera was on her. britney was a kid and, for the most part, is still growing up. look at yourself at 21 years old. what were you doing and how would you have acted if you were a millionaire by 18? she gave up a real school education in order to do the tutor thing while touring and making videos and albums. i think we'll all be surprised at britney by the time she's 30. she's gonna go through a lot of changes. | |
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locoarts said: Concert Review
Britney's all flash, no substance That's a big call! I have vegemite and you don't! | |
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Why would she even bother to sit @ a piano?? | |
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CalhounSq said: Why would she even bother to sit @ a piano??
why did madonna bother to pick up a guitar? | |
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SassierBritches said: i think we are kind of forgetting that by the time madonna hit the scene, she was an adult. not only an adult, but an adult who struggled as a broke ass performer in nyc. madonna had a lot of street smarts by the time her self titled record came out and even more smarts for like a virgin. britney was, what, 15 or 16 when she hit? she has grown up in front of us. madonna got to make most of her mistakes before the camera was on her. britney was a kid and, for the most part, is still growing up. look at yourself at 21 years old. what were you doing and how would you have acted if you were a millionaire by 18? she gave up a real school education in order to do the tutor thing while touring and making videos and albums. i think we'll all be surprised at britney by the time she's 30. she's gonna go through a lot of changes.
[This message was edited Sun Mar 14 21:28:11 2004 by SassierBritches] Of course, but y does Christina look better handling that job? Britney is jusy COPYING what Madonna already hads done. And Madonna already had that bitchey something about her. That edginess, personality was just spilling all over the place, plus she was a serious businesswoman. Brit just looks kinda like a dumb blonde dong it. When we say that the purpose of life is to find God, surely that desire to find God is an escape from life -Conciouscontact
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MJ was a brilliant singer/dancer...best of all time, however, that's all he was. Let's not compare him to Prince, best musician of all time, but rather, compare him to someone like Sammy Davis Jr (who I don't hear anyone calling a musical genius). | |
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The problem with Britney is,she's just a second-rate Madonna clone.But apparently she didn't "study" Madonna as much as she should have.When Madonna was doing her "sexual shock thing",she was making a statement.As Maddy herself acknowkedged on the song "Human Nature",she was "breaking all the rules I didn't make".She was breaking down taboos and stereotypes,making fun of people's conservative views about sex,and questioning people's beliefs.
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You can never do the slut thing for too long! | |
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SassierBritches said: i think we are kind of forgetting that by the time madonna hit the scene, she was an adult. not only an adult, but an adult who struggled as a broke ass performer in nyc. madonna had a lot of street smarts by the time her self titled record came out and even more smarts for like a virgin. britney was, what, 15 or 16 when she hit? she has grown up in front of us. madonna got to make most of her mistakes before the camera was on her. britney was a kid and, for the most part, is still growing up. look at yourself at 21 years old. what were you doing and how would you have acted if you were a millionaire by 18? she gave up a real school education in order to do the tutor thing while touring and making videos and albums. i think we'll all be surprised at britney by the time she's 30. she's gonna go through a lot of changes.
[This message was edited Sun Mar 14 21:28:11 2004 by SassierBritches] Britney has the IQ of a doorknob. Perhaps that's why, at 18, she still believed Canada to be "overseas". This girl is D-U-M-B, and needs her handlers to guide her to some semblance of success. Madonna has an IQ of 140 and can control where her career is going without help. She also doesn't sound retarded when she talks, although she may sometimes say stupid things. | |
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VoicesCarry said:[quote] SassierBritches said: i think we are kind of forgetting that by the time madonna hit the scene, she was an adult. not only an adult, but an adult who struggled as a broke ass performer in nyc. madonna had a lot of street smarts by the time her self titled record came out and even more smarts for like a virgin. britney was, what, 15 or 16 when she hit? she has grown up in front of us. madonna got to make most of her mistakes before the camera was on her. britney was a kid and, for the most part, is still growing up. look at yourself at 21 years old. what were you doing and how would you have acted if you were a millionaire by 18? she gave up a real school education in order to do the tutor thing while touring and making videos and albums. i think we'll all be surprised at britney by the time she's 30. she's gonna go through a lot of changes.
Britney has the IQ of a doorknob. Perhaps that's why, at 18, she still believed Canada to be "overseas". This girl is D-U-M-B, and needs her handlers to guide her to some semblance of success. Madonna has an IQ of 140 and can control where her career is going without help. She also doesn't sound retarded when she talks, although she may sometimes say stupid things. It amazes me that some people truly believe that Britney is the "new Madonna".From the very beginning,Madonna was intelligent,in control and knew exactly what she wanted to accomplish.Britney seems lost and confused (her weekend-long marriage/publicity stunt?) with no real focus or direction. | |
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Britney sells her image. She sells sex. She also has some good songwriters working with her sometimes.
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DavidEye said: The problem with Britney is,she's just a second-rate Madonna clone.But apparently she didn't "study" Madonna as much as she should have.When Madonna was doing her "sexual shock thing",she was making a statement.As Maddy herself acknowkedged on the song "Human Nature",she was "breaking all the rules I didn't make".She was breaking down taboos and stereotypes,making fun of people's conservative views about sex,and questioning people's beliefs.
Britney,on the other hand,is simply being sleazy for the sake of being sleazy.There's no underlying irony,no humor or hidden message she's trying to make.She's simply playing a role,the-horny sex-kitten-with-a-smile.Janet has been playing this role since 1993.But when that's all you have to offer,it all becomes boring,tired and one-dimensional. "I think we'll all be surprised by Britney by the time she's 30.She's gonna through alot of changes" You're assuming that she'll still be AROUND by the time she's 30 But seriously,it's possible that she will survive.But the one thing she's gonna have to do is evolve as an artist.You can only do the "slut" thing for so long. | |
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To evolve as an artist, isn't there a requirement that you BE an artist? | |
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VoicesCarry said: To evolve as an artist, isn't there a requirement that you BE an artist?
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DavidEye said: VoicesCarry said: To evolve as an artist, isn't there a requirement that you BE an artist?
I know! It just cracks me up when all these pop-tarts say that their forthcoming album is "really different from the last" and they really feel that they are "growing as an artist". Then you listen to the cd and there isn't too much different about it. It's like they are all given the same script to promote their music. Just like they are using the same songwriters and directors, photographers, producers, etc. | |
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DavidEye said: The problem with Britney is,she's just a second-rate Madonna clone.But apparently she didn't "study" Madonna as much as she should have.When Madonna was doing her "sexual shock thing",she was making a statement.As Maddy herself acknowkedged on the song "Human Nature",she was "breaking all the rules I didn't make".She was breaking down taboos and stereotypes,making fun of people's conservative views about sex,and questioning people's beliefs.
Britney,on the other hand,is simply being sleazy for the sake of being sleazy.There's no underlying irony or hidden message she's trying to make.She's simply playing a role,the-horny sex-kitten-with-a-smile.Janet has been playing this role since 1993.But when that's all you have to offer,it all becomes boring,tired and one-dimensional. well, let's face it, after madonna throwing sex in our faces for a few years, there's not much that is taboo or shocking anymore. that makes it kind of hard for britney to push "sex as liberation" on us. but, let's be honest, madonna was around at the right time. sex hadn't been explored (by a woman) the way she did. she used sex to sell and then, when she got tired of that or realized she needed to change her image (whichever it was) she put the 'breaking rules i didn't make' thing into effect. madonna IS brilliant. there is absolutely no denying that. and no matter how hard anyone, including britney, tries...well, madonna is madonna...for several reasons. if madonna came out today, though, and someone else already pushed the envelope, i don't know if madonna would have been as successful. the world was much more naive back then. i don't like to get into 'what if' scenarios because they are pointless. just keep in mind that madonna is a marketing master and business genius. that doesn't necesarrily make her an artist. she is very good at media manipulation and THAT is what has made her career. notice how when she's not manipulating the media into some kind of frenzy...or causing some kind of commotion or controversy...the woman can't even get a hit single, let alone a hit record. i'm not knocking madonna...you know i love her too. but i do think that you give her more artistic credit than she deserves. she does have a heavy reliance on outside producers and writers. yes, i know she works on her material but it is definitely questionable as to what degree she is involved. i get the feeling madonna has a 'vision' of what she wants and then hires people to get that for her. now, i can do the same thing. if i want a painting of a certain thing, while i can't do it myself, i can hire someone to do it for me. madonna's career is the same thing (to me) only she has the business senses to push her further. use the spacebar edit [This message was edited Mon Mar 15 6:36:19 2004 by SassierBritches] | |
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SassierBritches said:[quote] DavidEye said: The problem with Britney is,she's just a second-rate Madonna clone.But apparently she didn't "study" Madonna as much as she should have.When Madonna was doing her "sexual shock thing",she was making a statement.As Maddy herself acknowkedged on the song "Human Nature",she was "breaking all the rules I didn't make".She was breaking down taboos and stereotypes,making fun of people's conservative views about sex,and questioning people's beliefs.
Britney,on the other hand,is simply being sleazy for the sake of being sleazy.There's no underlying irony or hidden message she's trying to make.She's simply playing a role,the-horny sex-kitten-with-a-smile.Janet has been playing this role since 1993.But when that's all you have to offer,it all becomes boring,tired and one-dimensional. well, let's face it, after madonna throwing sex in our faces for a few years, there's not much that is taboo or shocking anymore. that makes it kind of hard for britney to push "sex as liberation" on us. but, let's be honest, madonna was around at the right time. sex hadn't been explored (by a woman) the way she did. she used sex to sell and then, when she got tired of that or realized she needed to change her image (whichever it was) she put the 'breaking rules i didn't make' thing into effect. madonna IS brilliant. there is absolutely no denying that. and no matter how hard anyone, including britney, tries...well, madonna is madonna...for several reasons. if madonna came out today, though, and someone else already pushed the envelope, i don't know if madonna would have been as successful. the world was much more naive back then. i don't like to get into 'what if' scenarios because they are pointless. just keep in mind that madonna is a marketing master and business genius. that doesn't necesarrily make her an artist. she is very good at media manipulation and THAT is what has made her career. notice how when she's not manipulating the media into some kind of frenzy...or causing some kind of commotion or controversy...the woman can't even get a hit single, let alone a hit record. i'm not knocking madonna...you know i love her too. but i do think that you give her more artistic credit than she deserves. she does have a heavy reliance on outside producers and writers. yes, i know she works on her material but it is definitely questionable as to what degree she is involved. i get the feeling madonna has a 'vision' of what she wants and then hires people to get that for her. now, i can do the same thing. if i want a painting of a certain thing, while i can't do it myself, i can hire someone to do it for me. madonna's career is the same thing (to me) only she has the business senses to push her further. use the spacebar edit I agree,it's pretty difficult for any female artist to be "shocking" after the whole Erotica/Sex era.Madonna pretty much took it to the extreme,didn't she? My sister jokingly says that the only thing Maddy could do that would shock people is to have a sex change operation onstage But here's where we disagree.You say that Madonna is a "marketing master and business genuis" but not really an "artist".I think that Madonna proved that she is serious,committed ARTIST years ago.She writes her lyrics,composes melodies,and is singing better than ever before.She EVOLVES as an artist,with each new album.The same cannot be said of Britney. "notice how when she's not manipulating the media into some kind of frenzy or causing some kind of controversy or commotion,the woman can't even get a hit record" [This message was edited Mon Mar 15 6:52:34 2004 by DavidEye] | |
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DavidEye said: SassierBritches said: DavidEye said: The problem with Britney is,she's just a second-rate Madonna clone.But apparently she didn't "study" Madonna as much as she should have.When Madonna was doing her "sexual shock thing",she was making a statement.As Maddy herself acknowkedged on the song "Human Nature",she was "breaking all the rules I didn't make".She was breaking down taboos and stereotypes,making fun of people's conservative views about sex,and questioning people's beliefs.
Britney,on the other hand,is simply being sleazy for the sake of being sleazy.There's no underlying irony or hidden message she's trying to make.She's simply playing a role,the-horny sex-kitten-with-a-smile.Janet has been playing this role since 1993.But when that's all you have to offer,it all becomes boring,tired and one-dimensional. well, let's face it, after madonna throwing sex in our faces for a few years, there's not much that is taboo or shocking anymore. that makes it kind of hard for britney to push "sex as liberation" on us. but, let's be honest, madonna was around at the right time. sex hadn't been explored (by a woman) the way she did. she used sex to sell and then, when she got tired of that or realized she needed to change her image (whichever it was) she put the 'breaking rules i didn't make' thing into effect. madonna IS brilliant. there is absolutely no denying that. and no matter how hard anyone, including britney, tries...well, madonna is madonna...for several reasons. if madonna came out today, though, and someone else already pushed the envelope, i don't know if madonna would have been as successful. the world was much more naive back then. i don't like to get into 'what if' scenarios because they are pointless. just keep in mind that madonna is a marketing master and business genius. that doesn't necesarrily make her an artist. she is very good at media manipulation and THAT is what has made her career. notice how when she's not manipulating the media into some kind of frenzy...or causing some kind of commotion or controversy...the woman can't even get a hit single, let alone a hit record. i'm not knocking madonna...you know i love her too. but i do think that you give her more artistic credit than she deserves. she does have a heavy reliance on outside producers and writers. yes, i know she works on her material but it is definitely questionable as to what degree she is involved. i get the feeling madonna has a 'vision' of what she wants and then hires people to get that for her. now, i can do the same thing. if i want a painting of a certain thing, while i can't do it myself, i can hire someone to do it for me. madonna's career is the same thing (to me) only she has the business senses to push her further. use the spacebar edit I agree,it's pretty difficult for any female artist to be "shocking" after the whole Erotica/Sex era.Madonna pretty much took it to the extreme,didn't she? My sister jokingly says that the only thing Maddy could do that would shock people is to have a sex change operation onstage But here's where we disagree.You say that Madonna is a "marketing master and business genuis" but not really an "artist".I think that Madonna proved that she is serious,committed ARTIST years ago.She writes her lyrics,composes melodies,and is singing better than ever before.She EVOLVES as an artist,with each new album.The same cannot be said of Britney. "notice how when she's not manipulating the media into some kind of frenzy or causing some kind of controversy or commotion,the woman can't even get a hit record" [This message was edited Mon Mar 15 6:52:34 2004 by DavidEye] hold on...you just said my logic is flawed! that is the pot calling the kettle black, lol. did you just say that madonna is singing better than ever before?!? COME ON! i expect more honesty from you, davideye. ol' girl sounded TERRIBLE during the drowned world tour. watch that dvd...right now! | |
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To prepare for the role in 'Evita',Madonna had to take extensive voice lessons.And since then,she is singing SO much better than before.Listen to the Evita soundtrack and the 'Ray Of Light' album.....she's hitting notes like never before!! That's what I mean when I say "evolve".As an artist,you must grow,improve and get BETTER with each new release. | |
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