We were duped. We have to come to terms with that. Michael is a serial creep:

https://www.huffpost.com/...f776521c8e

They whitewashed this freak while Prince got unfairy attacked for We Are the World and PMRC. The evidence is just too thick. MJ was a sick person. Note you never saw him on a date.

You won't get anywhere trying to have a discussion with sycophantic fantasists....

sro100 said:

As Elizabeth Taylor said, "The Undisputed King of Pop, Rock, Soul, Rap, Country, Classical, Acid House and Bluegrass."

She's dead and gone now, who cares what she said.....no longer important or matters.

2freaky4church1 said:

We were duped. We have to come to terms with that. Michael is a serial creep:

https://www.huffpost.com/...f776521c8e

They whitewashed this freak while Prince got unfairy attacked for We Are the World and PMRC. The evidence is just too thick. MJ was a sick person. Note you never saw him on a date.

We all saw him on a date...with Emmanuel Lewis.

oceanblue said:

ItsLetoyaBaby said:

When I stopped being a MJ fan almost a decade ago, I knew this would happen. I knew something big would happen that would destroy the Jacksons. I was a huge, super dedicated fan and I remember going to one big MJ fan forum and, along with some other users (some are still there), insistently warn people regarding the junkie label the Jacksons were putting on MJ, and being expelled because of it. I still remember one Moderator who mocked me when I created another account and kept telling them how things would turn out. Some other users- we were sort of a group- were expelled as well. It was all written on the wall.

25th of June 2009 Michael dies due to a doctor's incompetence but the family goes after the ones with the money instead, AEG. To have an argument against the company, they created an image of a debilitated, raging drug addict who put his destiny on the hands of a greedy (the irony...) company who, knowing of his problems, still contract him and overwork him. This leads to a horrible, mediatic civil case between the most famous musical family in American history and a billion-dollar, all-powerful company. But it was Michael Jackson, not AEG, who was on trial. If the family had to paint him as a junkie to have an argument, AEG had to full-out destroy his reputation to at least mitigate the indemnization. They did what they had to do to get out of a legal situation that would annihilate the company and everyone who worked in it. So Michael was dragged and thrown to the mud. And then, surprise!, the Robson allegations come up. When I finally decided to turn my back on MJ and the MJ fandom, I knew this would end like this. They drove people who were telling the truth about the family away and now? Now Michael Jackson's legacy will forever be destroyed. There is no coming back from this. On twitter all I see is fans turning on him. This is the final blow. Good luck to anyone (and it's a dwindling affair) still on the other side.

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You know what's really terrifying? That people allow this to happen. I mean, Michael was proven innocent.....and still people can come out and destroy his legacy, why are people allowing this? Also, somebody here mentioned that elvis got dragged for dating a 14 year old.....I never saw that. Like, three years ago there was a docu on TV, they showed his whole life and NEVER did they drag him for dating his first wife at such a young age in this docu. They talked about it, yes, but they acted like this was a normal love story......but with Michael? They don't even hesitate.....there was one german morning show who jumped to his defence and they said: "He was proven innocent and now these men come up and claim that he threatened and paid them money? Where is their proof?"

People took and took from Mike and that's how they thank him in the end? Guess he's better off dead than alive then.....at least he doesn't have to witness this bullshit again. I feel really bad for his family, especially for his kids, I can't even imagine how they feel right now. I just hope their lives won't be cut short like their father's.

onlyforaminute said:

oceanblue said:

She's dead and gone now, who cares what she said.....no longer important or matters.

What an odd statement given where it was made.

Where? On a Prince site? Yes, very odd.

oceanblue said:

sro100 said:

As Elizabeth Taylor said, "The Undisputed King of Pop, Rock, Soul, Rap, Country, Classical, Acid House and Bluegrass."

She's dead and gone now, who cares what she said.....no longer important or matters.

Well the Undisputed King of Pop Rock Soul Rap Country Classical Acid House and Bluegrass is gone also. So it's no longer important or matters, right?

MotownSubdivision said:

I really think people are exaggerating the effects of this so-called documentary. There's a ton of gullible people out there that this documentary targets and it seems to be working but I highly doubt this will "destroy" MJ's legacy. For all the talk of fans turning on him, I've seen many come to his defense (those who are even talking about this, that is). Of course you got some full-time haters of his on here who are intent to believe he was guilty and are parroting the same contradicted cliches we've been hearing for years already. This honestly is nothing new. People are just getting caught up in the hype of this nonsense. The sad thing is, the media will only pander to their ignorance and then claim they are being impartial.

i made my position clear, this fan, me, is with him no matter what, they could dig up neverland and find prostitutes bodies and I'd still look into his music, just the other day i saw a youtube vid by a couple guys who played all the seperate parts of thriller, it was awesome, we take for granted some of this art until we see just how much work and thought was put into it.

2freaky4church1 said:

We were duped. We have to come to terms with that. Michael is a serial creep:

https://www.huffpost.com/...f776521c8e

They whitewashed this freak while Prince got unfairy attacked for We Are the World and PMRC. The evidence is just too thick. MJ was a sick person. Note you never saw him on a date.

Prince got a bad rap because he was an idiot who did things anyone with more sense would see would cause problems. Michael knew how to deal in image. However, i still think that if you scoured the earth for women that he had sex with you could find a lot, people lie, all people, like these two accusers do. and i'm skimming the article now, it's laughable, the media destroyed Michael, they didn't do shit to help him when he was alive, so the whole premise of that article is bullshit. Unless you want to count people like Bashir, diane sawyer and all the thousands on hacks who made money off their scoop. funny thing was, people did a complete about face after he died, not everyone but many, I always knew it would go back the other way and here it finally is. so, what, i'm still looking at more mj than i have in awhile.

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sro100 said:

onlyforaminute said:

oceanblue said: What an odd statement given where it was made.

Where? On a Prince site? Yes, very odd.

PeteSilas said:

2freaky4church1 said:

We were duped. We have to come to terms with that. Michael is a serial creep:

https://www.huffpost.com/...f776521c8e

They whitewashed this freak while Prince got unfairy attacked for We Are the World and PMRC. The evidence is just too thick. MJ was a sick person. Note you never saw him on a date.

Prince got a bad rap because he was an idiot who did things anyone with more sense would see would cause problems. Michael knew how to deal in image. However, i still think that if you scoured the earth for women that he had sex with you could find a lot, people lie, all people, like these two accusers do.

See, this is why people don't take MJ fans seriously. Really? Why don't you just admit MJ had NO interest in women? This is a guy who ignored Brooke Shields, the hottest woman in the world at the time, and instead gave all his attention to a child he carried on his lap. He was NOT interested in women.

ItsLetoyaBaby said:

PeteSilas said:

Prince got a bad rap because he was an idiot who did things anyone with more sense would see would cause problems. Michael knew how to deal in image. However, i still think that if you scoured the earth for women that he had sex with you could find a lot, people lie, all people, like these two accusers do.

See, this is why people don't take MJ fans seriously. Really? Why don't you just admit MJ had NO interest in women? This is a guy who ignored Brooke Shields, the hottest woman in the world at the time, and instead gave all his attention to a child he carried on his lap. He was NOT interested in women.

that wasn't my point latoya, my point was, someone would come out the woodwork, that was nothing new to Mike, his greatest song was about people making up stuff and holding him liable, it was a woman as it is with most male stars, he was paranoid of women for sure. the only mistake he made was trusting anyone, he should have lived with his lamas and monkeys and kept everyone else out, people are sick, not just Michael, if he was. It's a sick fucking world.

Superstition said:

So... Robson’s Mother said she danced when she heard Jackson died. Had he already disclosed his alleged abuse? And why did they go to the memorial? Does not compute...

good point, like i said, mike should have kept to himself. either way, they are trying to do something that can't be done and that's to erase a legacy, the grammy's were already won, the sales are already sold, the triumphs are there and much of it has to do with the hard work, talent and ambition of One Man.

nd33 said:

I’m interested to hear a proper interview with Brandi Jackson, she dated Robson for years and is calling BS on his story. Why is she being ignored, when she’s a true insider to both parties? I feel like we’ve only got one side, so far. I guess patience is required...

she said her piece in an interview, don't see what she didn't cover, pretty persuasive. thing is, people are stupid and they have a herd mentality, they are going to go against Mike it looks like, maybe it'll go the other way again someday but it's just the nature of people.

PeteSilas said:

Superstition said:

So... Robson’s Mother said she danced when she heard Jackson died. Had he already disclosed his alleged abuse? And why did they go to the memorial? Does not compute...

No. He hadn't. Nothing computes with these scumbags.

Burning a copy of the super rare 'Thriller 25' calender & Dangerous pop-up cd which can be bought anywhere. The best is the eBay silver glove and fake counterfeit eBay thriller jacket, and the home printed t-shirt LOL.

Please who is this idiot trying to fool - there is no way MJ gave him any of this crap, he sold the good stuff at Juliens as he was skint, and bought the crap for the 'show'.

This should go on the shelf next to 'Billie Jean' claiming he was father to one of her twins.

Watching the second part of the HBO special. One of the accuser's wife was so emotional and angry and it rang very true. Accuser's mother has been ostracized by her other children and daughter-in-law as she did not protect him.Too many details... My gut tells me MJ was an abuser.

Something else...both accusers eventually had young boys and though they could not connect with themselves as young boys with Michael, they could accurately see their owns son as youngsters and appreciated how vulnerable they are.

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peggyon said:

Watching the second part of the HBO special. One of the accuser's wife was so emotional and angry and it rang very true. Accuser's mother has been ostracized by her other children and daughter-in-law as she did not protect him.Too many details... My gut tells me MJ was an abuser.

I don't care who is boo- hooing. These two have no credibility because they flip flop their stories. These two accusers are fishy as hell and so are their families. This is problem people are going with emotion instead of facts. You saw what happened in the Jessie Somellet case people were attacked because they question a story that made no sense. Just because people look and act sad and tell a disturbing story does not mean they are telling the thuth. Actions speaks louder than words.

Well, from watching Oprah's interview, it's clear that she believes those 2 guys, and so does the audience.

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nd33 said:

these pretzels are making me thirsty

Purplestar88 said:

peggyon said:

Watching the second part of the HBO special. One of the accuser's wife was so emotional and angry and it rang very true. Accuser's mother has been ostracized by her other children and daughter-in-law as she did not protect him.Too many details... My gut tells me MJ was an abuser.

I don't care who is boo- hooing. These two have no credibility because they flip flop their stories. These two accusers are fishy as hell and so are their families. This is problem people are going with emotion instead of facts. You saw what happened in the Jessie Somellet case people were attacked because they question a story that made no sense. Just because people look and act sad and tell a disturbing story does not mean they are telling the thuth. Actions speaks louder than words.

I recommend watching the documentary and the after-show with Oprah

It is very compelling and disturbing.

rdhull said:

these pretzels are making me thirsty