Michael Jackson sex abuse documentary coming to Sundance & HBO

Reply #841 posted 03/02/19 1:52pm

PatrickS77 said:

RichardS said:
It isn't healthy.

Who are you to say what is healthy and what not? It's unusual, but tht doesn't mean it has to be looked at as unhealthy. You don't know nothing about the situation. You know nothing about how that came up.

Who are you to say it is healthy? Were you there? Do you know what went on?

As I say - some adults dress up in nappies. I don't consider that healthy either. Some like to have people literally sh1t on them for sexual arousal. I don't consider that healthy either. Just my opinion.

Would you let your kids sleep in my bed if I showered them with gifts?

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Reply #842 posted 03/02/19 2:22pm

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RichardS said:

PatrickS77 said:

Who are you to say what is healthy and what not? It's unusual, but tht doesn't mean it has to be looked at as unhealthy. You don't know nothing about the situation. You know nothing about how that came up.

Who are you to say it is healthy? Were you there? Do you know what went on?

As I say - some adults dress up in nappies. I don't consider that healthy either. Some like to have people literally sh1t on them for sexual arousal. I don't consider that healthy either. Just my opinion.

Would you let your kids sleep in my bed if I showered them with gifts?

Where did I say it was healthy? I wouldn't comment on it either way, as I do not know in what situation that came about and what the mindset was, as obviously I wasn't there. I know how it came about from what they were telling, but again, I wasn't there and wouldn't judge it either way.

How can I answer that question? I don't know you, I don't know the situation or your situation, but if I would have a bad feeling about it, I certainly wouldn't let any gifts to them or to me change my opinion. There is no real way to answer that hypothetical question other than, if you want to be on the safe side and want to see a criminal and pervert in anyone who likes kids, then obviously not.

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Reply #843 posted 03/02/19 2:37pm

PatrickS77 said:

RichardS said:

Who are you to say it is healthy? Were you there? Do you know what went on?

As I say - some adults dress up in nappies. I don't consider that healthy either. Some like to have people literally sh1t on them for sexual arousal. I don't consider that healthy either. Just my opinion.

Would you let your kids sleep in my bed if I showered them with gifts?

Where did I say it was healthy? I wouldn't comment on it either way, as I do not know in what situation that came about and what the mindset was, as obviously I wasn't there. I know how it came about from what they were telling, but again, I wasn't there and wouldn't judge it either way.

How can I answer that question? I don't know you, I don't know the situation or your situation, but if I would have a bad feeling about it, I certainly wouldn't let any gifts to them or to me change my opinion. There is no real way to answer that hypothetical question other than, if you want to be on the safe side and want to see a criminal and pervert in anyone who likes kids, then obviously not.

That's a fair answer. I don't want to see a criminal and pervert in anyone who likes kids. Most people like kids. I like kids. I have no sexual interest in them but would not feel comfortable sharing a bed with them as I believe it to be unnecessary to any relationship with a child and also inappropriate behaviour.

Why would an adult want to sleep in the same bed as child, even if that child is just a friend? What purpose does it serve? What is the psychological motivation for it? If nothing else, does it not teach the child that in general it is OK to share a bed with non-family adults - when in fact to do so would, in most cases, place them in danger? At the very least it is irresponsible. (Much like when he dangled his baby over the balcony - hugely irresponsible.)

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Reply #844 posted 03/02/19 3:00pm

Or think of it this way - one of your friends, male or female, suggests that you spend your nights in bed together, for a week or two, saying "don't worry, it's not a sex thing, it's a friendship thing." Would you say "Yeah, sounds like a good idea, no big deal." or would you think "This person seems a little troubled to me. Friends don't share each other's beds. Probably best if I talk through why he/she feels the need to do this, and see what the problem is."

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Reply #845 posted 03/02/19 4:39pm

ThatWhiteDude said:

PatrickS77 said:

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Come on, are we really reduced to debating at a level where we say - 'he looks creepy'. It's so juvenile - schoolyard stuff.

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Yeah. Also calling someone porn director or NAMBLA advocate, just because they are reporting on certain topics. It's kinda the same as the people who go, "Michael Jackson shared his bed with children, so he's a pedophile.". We should be above that and it makes anyone doing that look like a fool.

It doesn't make him a pedophile, but as a kid, I wouldn't have shared a bed with a man I barely knew. Sorry, but I just don't think that's okay. Also, as a parent I wouldn't have wanted it, staying over at Neverland, playing and stuff like that, cool with me. Sleepovers with other kids there, cool with me too. But if my kid walked up to me and said: "Michael shared a bed with me" I would've talked to MJ and said that I don't want him to share a bed with my
child, period. And if it would've offended him, well, his problem. But you don't share your bed with other people's kids. I'm just pointing out, that it would be the same with a woman.

The ironic thing is most molestors don’t molest in a bedroom. So all of this crap about sharing a bed is mute, when Michael explictly said, duringthe Bashir interview that he gave his bed to the kids and he slept on the floor. All of this debate about “sharing a bed” does not take away from the FACT that Robson and Safechuck are proven liars according to the FACTS. The only thing that they are spewing is pornographic FANTASIES that never happened. Dan Reed is basically pushing porn in his fraudomentary; thus, the reason that I consider him a porn director. Anyone who would have a film where someone is describing graphic, pornographic sex for almost 4 hours, is as sick as the two extortionists who assert these lies. What these scam artists are doing can be done by ANYONE. Just accuse a person and use pornographic descriptions and see if guillible people fall for it.

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Reply #846 posted 03/02/19 4:49pm

ThatWhiteDude said:

PatrickS77 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

It doesn't make him a pedophile, but as a kid, I wouldn't have shared a bed with a man I barely knew. Sorry, but I just don't think that's okay. Also, as a parent I wouldn't have wanted it, staying over at Neverland, playing and stuff like that, cool with me. Sleepovers with other kids there, cool with me too. But if my kid walked up to me and said: "Michael shared a bed with me" I would've talked to MJ and said that I don't want him to share a bed with my child, period. And if it would've offended him, well, his problem. But you don't share your bed with other people's kids. I'm just pointing out, that it would be the same with a woman.

And what you think about it is of no consequence. It still doesn't make him a pedophile. As I

kid I would have loved to spend the day with Michael, getting to know him. As for

the sleepovers, I guess it depends on how it came up. I used to spend time at my grandparents as a kid and sometimes a friend came along. We slept in the same bed and had fun. Nothing sexual or strange was going on. So that's that. Why does that change when one of the 2 is older? It's unusual, yes. But not per se bad. Sometimes sleeping and sharing a bed is just that.

I didn't say that it makes him a pedophile, it seems like you can't read. And yes, I would have had a problem if I was a father and he would've shared a bed with my child. And I also didn't say that it's bad, again, don't put words in my mouth. It actually does change a lot when one of the 2 is older and you barely know them, how hard is that to understand? Some MJ Fans just can't stand criticism. Yes, MJ was NOT a pedophile, but some people are and do shit to kids, that's why it is an issue if a person you barely know sleeps in a bed with a kid that isn't theirs or related to them.

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Some of you act as if Michael forced children to come to his bedroom/game SUITE. That’s what it was a 2 level suite with 2-3 beds and 3 bathrooms. No child went into that SUITE without a parent’s PERMISSION. I read dumb crap like “ if he would have shared a bed with my child...” WTF? These kids asked to be in Michael’s suite because they followed him everywhere he went. They would ask him if they could come into his bedroom/game room suite, and he always said, only if you ask your parents. It’s like some of you are in a twilight zone and act as if he forced kids to his suite. That’s because you have been brainwashed by media and tabloid whores like Diane Dimond. She was the main culprit spreading all these lies and I have no doubt that her filthy hands are in this latest scam with this fraudomentary.

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Reply #847 posted 03/02/19 5:01pm

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Free2BMe said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

PatrickS77 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

It doesn't make him a pedophile, but as a kid, I wouldn't have shared a bed with a man I barely knew. Sorry, but I just don't think that's okay. Also, as a parent I wouldn't have wanted it, staying over at Neverland, playing and stuff like that, cool with me. Sleepovers with other kids there, cool with me too. But if my kid walked up to me and said: "Michael shared a bed with me" I would've talked to MJ and said that I don't want him to share a bed with my child, period. And if it would've offended him, well, his problem. But you don't share your bed with other people's kids. I'm just pointing out, that it would be the same with a woman.

And what you think about it is of no consequence. It still doesn't make him a pedophile. As I

kid I would have loved to spend the day with Michael, getting to know him. As for

the sleepovers, I guess it depends on how it came up. I used to spend time at my grandparents as a kid and sometimes a friend came along. We slept in the same bed and had fun. Nothing sexual or strange was going on. So that's that. Why does that change when one of the 2 is older? It's unusual, yes. But not per se bad. Sometimes sleeping and sharing a bed is just that.

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I've Not been brainwashed! I believe that MJ is innocent! But you're coming here and agrassively responsible to anyone who dares to Word Out even a little bit of criticism! MJ said in one docu that He shared the bed with Kids and while I believe that nothing sexual happened, I still can say that I, as a parent would've NEVER allowed it. And you see this as an Attack against MJ or as evidence that I've been brainwashed?? I also never Said or acted Like He forced the Kids to be there. You Put words in my mouth when I never Said that!!!
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Reply #848 posted 03/02/19 5:51pm

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Your posts makes no sense. Of course, if a male or female friend suggests that we spend our nights together in bed for a week or two, I would KNOW that it was about sex. However, this has shit to do with what we are discussing. Michael did not ask any CHILD to spend nights together in bed for a week or two. I have no doubt that June Chandler, Jordan Chandler’s mother, spent her nights there in bed with Michael for weeks. People who worked there said that June acted as if she was the mistress of the house.

The perjurer, Robson, says he was abused EVERY night, he now says hundreds of times for 7 years. The problem with this LIE is that Joy Robison said they were only at Neverland about 14 times. Of those 14 times, she said they only saw Michael 4 of those times, because he was NOT THERE the other times. See how these liars can just make up shit, and weak-minded people fall for it.

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Reply #849 posted 03/02/19 6:25pm

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SJ‏ @imbackintherain Mar 1

With ALL due respect, maybe the Jackson family will finally realize that Oprah is not their friend.

brandijackson82

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Thank you @lalaelizalane
We will NEVERRRRERRR
You are the worst demonstration of a journalist. Im absolutely disgusted with you and anyone associated with you @oprah @oprahmagazine

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Reply #850 posted 03/02/19 6:27pm

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Reply #852 posted 03/02/19 6:30pm

Linny‏ @LinnyEmG 25m25 minutes ago

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How can they know for sure this did not happen if they weren't there and why come out swinging so hard? Methinks they are protesting too much.

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Because we have researched Wade. He went 180 when he needed money and @michaeljackson died. Court hearings/docs show consistent lies. You swing hard when there's injustice. Injustice does not make people calm. Injustice makes people want to fight for #truth and justice.

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Reply #853 posted 03/02/19 6:43pm

Taj Jackson‏Verified account @tajjackson3 7h7 hours ago

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It’s really hard and tiring combatting all these lies when Wade, James, and Dan keep changing their stories after every interview. Can’t they just keep to their script. It’s like I have to fight 4 different versions of this crap. Credibility matters! Facts don’t lie, people do.

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Reply #854 posted 03/03/19 7:48am

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SJ‏ @imbackintherain Mar 1

With ALL due respect, maybe the Jackson family will finally realize that Oprah is not their friend.

brandijackson82
TEMPORARY POST AS I WILL NOT HAVE THIS ON MY PAGE
Thank you @lalaelizalane
We will NEVERRRRERRR
You are the worst demonstration of a journalist. Im absolutely disgusted with you and anyone associated with you @oprah @oprahmagazine

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Reply #855 posted 03/03/19 11:30am

NorthC	PatrickS77 said: RichardS said: It isn't healthy. Who are you to say what is healthy and what not? It's unusual, but tht doesn't mean it has to be looed at as unhealthy. You don't know nothing about the situation. You know nothing about how that came up. I'm pretty sure something came up.
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Reply #856 posted 03/03/19 6:07pm

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Sick and tired of all these people riding on the legacy of a dead man just to make money; MJ's story is the ultimate tale of someone who was exploited since he was a small child. He's dead and still being exploited. Disgusting. By people who couldn't make any money in court, so they're trying to make dough this way. And by someone whose career went into hyper-drive after her "scoop" with the dead man and she still ain't done with him... Well, I'm done with the whole thing, washing my hands of it, and won't be commenting any more. Let the dead rest in peace. rose

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Reply #857 posted 03/03/19 7:35pm

oceanblue	Goddess4Real said: The only thing that stuff like this will accomplish is getting more ratings and attention to Oprah and her interview.
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Reply #858 posted 03/03/19 8:16pm

PeteSilas	oprah smells a big scoop, like all these other journalists,nothing more, that's why she irritates me, she doesn't need to do this, the docu is already four hours long but that's not enough for orca.
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Reply #859 posted 03/03/19 8:45pm

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ladygirl99 said:

Paris is in my thoughts too and she and Prince and BG were practically born into crazy shit that is out of their control. What is mess up is that some people want the victims to remain silent now he is dead but the memories and relived it don't go away with them just because MJ died as it just once again it is another attempt to side with the abuser.

But thanks for your support.

You’re welcome. I don’t believe the stories but that’s no reason to downplay movements like Metoo, and what sexual abuse as a whole can bring on, the way I’ve seen elsewhere being discussed, and I think Taj would agree. I do believe mj was childish and too naive and trusting of people he had no business of getting close to,and that’s what brought this on in the first place [Edited 1/29/19 10:30am]

childish and intentionally wierd because eccentricity kept his name in the papers, he just didn't know it would get so out of control. He's a great target, unlike cosby who made his name on normalcy and american values and was a phoney besides.

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Reply #860 posted 03/03/19 9:30pm

Ugot2shakesumt hin	Mj has always creeped me out. I know he appeals to the more childish element in society and I just have to shake my head st how ignorant his defenders are.
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Reply #861 posted 03/03/19 10:01pm

peggyon	Just finished watching the first of the two-part HBO series. It was very disturbing.
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Reply #862 posted 03/03/19 10:20pm

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

Mj has always creeped me out. I know he appeals to the more childish element in society and I just have to shake my head st how ignorant his defenders are.

It always amazes me that some people think that just because they consider themselves “normal” and “mainstream”, that they don’t creep people out. You probably are creepy as fuck. Btw, not only does Michael appeal to children of every age group, he appeals to GROWN people. We defenders of Michael deal in FACTS, not gossip and lies. I have to shake MY head at the laziness, weak-mindless, guillibility, ignorance and stupidity of people like you. You are swayed by liars regurgitating child porn and pedophilic FANTASIES(things they WISHED had happened). You are swayed by two liars who used a NAMBLA advocate, Victor Guitterez’s SCRIPT, to bamboozle an ignorant public. Dan Reed is promoting child porn and NAMBLA doctrine-man/boy sex and he, the two actors-Robson and Safechuck-
need to be investigated and charged with a crime.

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Reply #863 posted 03/03/19 10:29pm

ReddBlitz	Really, what's the real and true motive behind all this? MJ's been dead for 10 years. This documentary is blatantly being thrown out there like a raw steak to lions. [Edited 3/3/19 22:30pm]
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Reply #864 posted 03/03/19 11:11pm

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Just finished watching the first of the two-part HBO series. It was very disturbed.

Of course, you would be disturbed hearing two grown ass men perpetuating pedophilic FANTASIES and child porn. That should disturb any person. If I didn’t know the FACTS and know that they are lying, even I would be disturbed. However, I know that they have changed their story at least 5 times. I know that they have filed a civil claim sgainst Michael’s estate, when the estate wouldn’t give into their extortion. I know that both, especially Safechuck are quoting a SCRIPT from a NAMBLA enthusiast, Victor Guitterez’s book. I know there is no possible way that the claims they spew could have happened. We have the FACTS and evidence.

The most disturbing thing is now Dan Reed is actually PROMOTING child porn and NAMBLA doctrine in this fraudomentary. Not only is it disturbing, it is disgusting. These three con men are a danger to society and need to be investigated.

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Reply #865 posted 03/04/19 1:34am

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peggyon said:

Just finished watching the first of the two-part HBO series. It was very disturbed. Of course, you would be disturbed hearing two grown ass men perpetuating pedophilic FANTASIES and child porn. That should disturb any person. If I didn’t know the FACTS and know that they are lying, even I would be disturbed. However, I know that they have changed their story at least 5 times. I know that they have filed a civil claim sgainst Michael’s estate, when the estate wouldn’t give into their extortion. I know that both, especially Safechuck are quoting a SCRIPT from a NAMBLA enthusiast, Victor Guitterez’s book. I know there is no possible way that the claims they spew could have happened. We have the FACTS and evidence. The most disturbing thing is now Dan Reed is actually PROMOTING child porn and NAMBLA doctrine in this fraudomentary. Not only is it disturbing, it is disgusting. These three con men are a danger to society and need to be investigated.

I can accept that you believe the accusations to be false and I understand why. But to then accuse them of having pedophilic fantasies about what they wished happened, and to accuse Dan Reed of promoting child porn and NAMBLA doctrine - I find those accusations disturbing and disgusting and dangerous.

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Reply #866 posted 03/04/19 1:35am

jaawwnn	Get a grip Free2BeMe. You're being that Michael Jackson fan.
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Reply #867 posted 03/04/19 1:47am

Mikado

Christ this is a mess. I've had to be in the middle of this shitstorm 3 times.

A certain kind of mellow.

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Reply #868 posted 03/04/19 3:12am

RichardS said:

Free2BMe said:

peggyon said:

Just finished watching the first of the two-part HBO series. It was very disturbed. Of course, you would be disturbed hearing two grown ass men perpetuating pedophilic FANTASIES and child porn. That should disturb any person. If I didn’t know the FACTS and know that they are lying, even I would be disturbed. However, I know that they have changed their story at least 5 times. I know that they have filed a civil claim sgainst Michael’s estate, when the estate wouldn’t give into their extortion. I know that both, especially Safechuck are quoting a SCRIPT from a NAMBLA enthusiast, Victor Guitterez’s book. I know there is no possible way that the claims they spew could have happened. We have the

FACTS and evidence. The most disturbing thing is now Dan Reed is actually PROMOTING child porn and NAMBLA doctrine in this fraudomentary. Not only is it disturbing, it is disgusting. These three con men are a danger to society and need to be investigated.

I don’t just believe the accusations are false, I KNOW they are false. I accuse Robson and Safechuck of pedophilic FANTASIES, because that’s what they are-FANTASIES. Do you actually think I would be saying that, if I didn’t have proof? These two scam artists have never been abused by Michael Jackson. The Graphic SCRIPT that they are using is from a man who used it in his book, Victor Guitterez. His book promoted the doctrine of NAMBLA, man/boy sex, ROBson, Safechuck and Reed know that what they are spewing is a lie; yet, they think people are stupid enough to fall for it. SOME people are stupid and gullible enough to fall for this shit, because they want it to be true.

I am going to repeat what I have said previously,Robson, Safechuck and Reed are promoting child porn and pedophilic FANTASIES. What would you call something that you KNOW is not real? Any intelligent person would call it fiction or a FANTASY.

Btw, you know what I find disgusting, disturbing and dangerous, people who are so willing to give these extortionists/scam artist a pass without investigating them or even trying to look at the FACTS.

Michael supporters and defenders are not just some group of fans throwing out blind loyalty. We have the facts to back up everything we are saying; unlike Wade Robson, James Safechuck and Dan Reed. They ASSumed that this crap 💩 they are spewing would go unchallenged. They ASSumed wrong.

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