BartVanHemelen said:

paisleypark4 said:

Richard Pryor's wife confirmed Richard slept with Marlon Brando for example.

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Pryor talked about his gay experiences at his own roast.

No, he was talking about Paul Mooney at that Roast. He spoke about thet transexual in his book.

If you do not get your name on the copywrite you need to just shut the hell up or sue.

Miles went on to make some great recordings after "Kind Of Blue" if Bill had sued Miles would have paid up.

TD3 said:

Speaking of Miles Davis, He took full credit for "Blue Green" on the "Kinda Blue" album. Bill Evans wrote the song from beginning to end. Bill Evans also co-wrote "Kinda of Blue" but after the debut 1959 album release, subsequent album only credited Miles Davis as writer for "Kinda of Blue". Bill Evans told Mary McPartland -Piano Jazz NPR - he wrote the songs and Davis received all the royalties.

Mile Davis never did own up to the truth and claimed he'd written both songs by himself. Truth is always kinda shocking when a narrative has been repeated so long its becomes fact. There's been a lot of "borrowing" and stealing in the music biz. As we know that ain't anything new... so what?

BartVanHemelen said:

paisleypark4 said:

Richard Pryor's wife confirmed Richard slept with Marlon Brando for example.

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Pryor talked about his gay experiences at his own roast.

Quincy is revealing waaaayyyy too much.He's talking about people who are no longer here to defend themselves.That is wrong,imo.

If you know ANYTHING about Pryor this ain't really news. This is stale tea, but hey it's kind of cool to know that there were openly gay black celeberties back in a day that was openly homophobic

Quincy wants to go out with a bang...

purplethunder3121 said:

Quincy wants to go out with a bang...

I HATE YOU

I don't know why anyone is surprised by his remarks about Hendrix and the Beatles. Jazz dudes ALWAYS believe that rock dudes can't play for shit. He's talking about Paul McCartney at the age of 21, even allowing for a few years slippage, that's at the time of the first Beatles recordings.

..so when is Q gonna talk about him, Will Smith and Tupac?.....and that sorry late 90's R&B artist he signed who wrote the classic "Pink Panties"?

SPYZFAN1 said:

..so when is Q gonna talk about him, Will Smith and Tupac?

the danger for Quincy is....his own skeletons may come out of the closet now.

QueenofPurplePalace said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Quincy wants to go out with a bang...

I HATE YOU

Soul....You know that's right!!

SoulAlive said:

PeteSilas said:

i never heard Marvin was Gay, never, the only way people thought that was because of his name, and when he was growing up, his crazy ass father too. richard? could be true, but what's the point of telling this stuff? As far as Michael "stealing" he didn't do anything that any other major star didn't do. You think Springsteen wrote every note on his records? fuck no, he got them in writing though. Elvis didn't write any songs and still had ways of ripping off the songwriters thanks to the colonel, just business.

I've always heard stories about Marvin and Berry Gordy being involved. A lot of people in Detroit used to talk about it and claimed it was very well-known to the other Motown artists.

laurarichardson said:

If you do not get your name on the copywrite you need to just shut the hell up or sue.

Miles went on to make some great recordings after "Kind Of Blue" if Bill had sued Miles would have paid up.

TD3 said:

Speaking of Miles Davis, He took full credit for "Blue Green" on the "Kinda Blue" album. Bill Evans wrote the song from beginning to end. Bill Evans also co-wrote "Kinda of Blue" but after the debut 1959 album release, subsequent album only credited Miles Davis as writer for "Kinda of Blue". Bill Evans told Mary McPartland -Piano Jazz NPR - he wrote the songs and Davis received all the royalties.

Mile Davis never did own up to the truth and claimed he'd written both songs by himself. Truth is always kinda shocking when a narrative has been repeated so long its becomes fact. There's been a lot of "borrowing" and stealing in the music biz. As we know that ain't anything new... so what?

Ms. Richardson know one was speaking about copyright infringement per say... discussion was about folks claiming music as their own. Some appear to be put off that MJ could have down the same thing. Just like you appear to be put off, about Mr. Davis , claiming right to works he didn't write. More importantly, my response was to an earlier quote, to some one who mentioned Miles Davis credibility, his honest. I just pointed our Mr. Davis did a little borrowing / stealing too. James Brown, Gill Scott-Heron, Led-Zeppelin, Duke Ellington, Duke Ellington's manager Irving (who took credit for Ellington earlier works), Ray Parker Jr, Rap Music, the list could go on and on.

By the way Brian Jackson co-wrote/ wrote, produced all the albums he (Mr. Jackson) Scott-Heron collaborated on. At the beginning Jackson said he received royalty checks from their collaboration. When the big bucks started rolling in and Scott-Heron became a crack head (because Rappers sampled their music) the checks stopped. Some asked Mr. Jackson why didn't sue Scott-Heron? Mr. Jackson said, he couldn't afford the attorney fees or the long legal battle to get his music back. If it was that easy... most of the artist who've been ripped off my the music industry and their managers would own their shit.

Back to your point....


Talk about moral relativism. That's just like me blaming you after I kicked in your door and steal your shit. " If you had had a security door Laura I wouldn't have gained entry to your home."

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

kitbradley said:

PeteSilas said:

i never heard Marvin was Gay, never, the only way people thought that was because of his name, and when he was growing up, his crazy ass father too. richard? could be true, but what's the point of telling this stuff? As far as Michael "stealing" he didn't do anything that any other major star didn't do. You think Springsteen wrote every note on his records? fuck no, he got them in writing though. Elvis didn't write any songs and still had ways of ripping off the songwriters thanks to the colonel, just business.

I've always heard stories about Marvin and Berry Gordy being involved. A lot of people in Detroit used to talk about it and claimed it was very well-known to the other Motown artists.

oh bullshit, now barry is hitting it too? oh fuck no, take me now lord.

laurarichardson said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Pryor talked about his gay experiences at his own roast.

No, he was talking about Paul Mooney at that Roast. He spoke about thet transexual in his book.

he spoke about gay shit in his comedy many times, i always thought he was joking though. My stepdad always thought it might be true, especially after he kissed that guy in "bustin loose". in his bio, rich sounded conflicted about being with the tranny, said it lasted a couple weeks and that the tranny went away for an operation and tried to get back with him afterwards, he says "I passed". richard was also molested by some white guy in his hometown as a child, he tells how the man brought his son to meet him many years later, crazy huh?

SoulAlive said:

SPYZFAN1 said:

..so when is Q gonna talk about him, Will Smith and Tupac?

the danger for Quincy is....his own skeletons may come out of the closet now.

i saw a post on lipstick alley by a lady who claimed to work with tevin campbell's mama, she said she knew q molested the boy but she couldn't do anything about it. and...the more i see the old films with michael, the more i see some wierd shit going on there too.

purple05 said:

TD3 said:

Obviously its not "so what" because some have attempt and still would like to construct Rock & Roll /R&B of NOT being synonymous. Its why Little Richard in a joking manner ( to conceal the anger) repeatedly said what he said. We have a history in the U.S. of whitewashing or creating revisionist history. For most people in the United States, history is something that happened two weeks ago on a reality TV show.

I feel like Quincy’s message should’ve been directed to Rolling Stone and RRHOF. They are the ones who love to act like only rock matters when there are many r&b and urban artist who are more talented and just as if not more influential than heir beloved rock acts

You know what purple05 in some ways we are all products of our generation. Though the Stones love other genres of music, could it be they too judge things through their generation? The thing about the members of the Stones, I betcha as a group, these men are listeners of blues, (the base of everything including Jazz), classical, Gospel, R&B Jazz, Opera and all those genres sub-genres . Charlie Watts is a Jazz head, all of his solo outings have been Jazz recordings. Mr. Watts latest is "Charlie Watts Meets The Danish Radio Big Band" , its very good. Check out the video of Charlie speaks about drumming, his skill set, and his opinion about the relationship the drummer has with music and the band. Link below.

CHARLIEWATTS



Louis Armstrong and Duke Ellington never "understood" Bebop or Hard Bop. The never embraced or attempted to record that sytle of Jazz. As I said previously its a generational thing.

Interesting article about The Beatles songwriting process

B Zollicoffer @zolly_b

Beatles' 5 Boldest Rip-Offs: From the "Revolution" intro to the "I Feel Fine" riff, here are five times when the Fab Four swiped musical material from their influences https://www.rollingstone....s-20151223

PeteSilas said:

thesoulbrother said:

I know y'all gonna burn me for this but the Beatles are so damn overrated! I like them cats but goddamn... they are not the end all and be all of music!

they were great as creative, conceptive artists, as musicians? they weren't that bad. of course compared to Jazz guys, no one can compare except classical musicians maybe. Jazz guys are monsters but rock is a totally different thing, more feel, less about technique. Paul is one of the all time great bassists, ringo could do some great drumming at times, although everyone has derided him, I wouldn't know enough to know if he wasn't good. He was influential though, they all were. and as far as musicians, people have said, i think it was billy eckstine said q was a "terrible trumpetplayer".

it's the other way around, jazz musicians are a distant second to classical composers and musicians, it is the apex of musical ability, skill and technique. I l like jazz but it receives far too many props in the skill category, sure you need to be a good musician to play it, but it's doable because there are a shitload of bands doing it. And more complex forms of rock are more about technique than feeling, feeling is easy imo, technique more difficult, you can either play to a certain degree or you cannot, there's a physicality to music that can limit skill whereby a musician cannot do fast runs or even play uptempo numbers...

PeteSilas said:

kitbradley said:

I've always heard stories about Marvin and Berry Gordy being involved. A lot of people in Detroit used to talk about it and claimed it was very well-known to the other Motown artists.

oh bullshit, now barry is hitting it too? oh fuck no, take me now lord.

Berry & Smokey Robinson had rumors around their "friendship" too ... especially since smokey was the only other motown artist besides Diana Ross, that was making any real money during their early to mid sixties heyday...

Purplestar88 said:

kitbradley said:

Wow! I must have missed the Pryor stuff. I always heard Marvin Gaye was Bi but never heard anything about Pryor and people never seemed to bring it up. Quincy is at a point in his life where he figures he's old, he has nothing to lose so he's going to spill the beans on everybody!

He need to spill the beans on himself.

Q has already admitted to his own homosexual relationships.... for whatever thats worth

purple05 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Marvin changed his name from Gay to Gaye?

That’s the word on the street

That is the EXACT TROOF!!! Name changed by one letter! His Father was Marvin Gay, Sr.

RJOrion said:

PeteSilas said:

oh bullshit, now barry is hitting it too? oh fuck no, take me now lord.

Berry & Smokey Robinson had rumors around their "friendship" too ... especially since smokey was the only other motown artist besides Diana Ross, that was making any real money during their early to mid sixties heyday...

oh hell no, don't you drag smokey into this shit, where's your house?

PeteSilas said:

purple05 said:

PeteSilas said:

i saw a post on lipstick alley by a lady who claimed to work with tevin campbell's mama, she said she knew q molested the boy but she couldn't do anything about it. and...the more i see the old films with michael, the more i see some wierd shit going on there too.

Now you can’t believe everything you read on LAA LOL Tevin says it’s not true. I’m going with his word

tevin said that?