KCOOLMUZIQ said:

I attended the Espy Awards last night. Iggy's performance was HORRIBLE!!!

Hate to say I told you so! LOL! Weren't you the one raving about this chick like a week ago? That's okay, we all make mistakes.

MotownSubdivision said:

Oh but she has a nice ass so that makes up for it, right?

I can't stand either one of them, but what you're talking about is the only think Minaj has going for her, too.

So it's okay for Minaj to be liked for no reason other than her looks but with Iggy it's not?

Top 40 music sucks and the only reason ANYONE is there is primarily because of image.

There hasn'tbeen substance in Top 40 music in a looong time and that probably had more to do with people who happen to have an image/brand/whatever that went along with their substance.

Austrailians and people born in Saint James, Trinidad and Tobago like Minaj to me have about the same level of American street cred.

SeventeenDayze said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

I attended the Espy Awards last night. Iggy's performance was HORRIBLE!!!

Hate to say I told you so! LOL! Weren't you the one raving about this chick like a week ago? That's okay, we all make mistakes.

I never raved about her! My all time favorite female rappers are Latifah & McLyte....

Nick Young & Iggy Azalea DINE OUT In Beverly Hills After The ESPY's, Nick DEFENDS Iggy AGAINST Nicki Minaj DISS

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

BONUS:

Watch Iggy kick off the ESPYs above....

Another lip-syncing performance from the current generation of artists. At least Iggy still have a beautful looks.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Hate to say I told you so! LOL! Weren't you the one raving about this chick like a week ago? That's okay, we all make mistakes.

I never raved about her! My all time favorite female rappers are Latifah & McLyte....

Please don't make me go back and cut and paste what you said, LOL Don't bother back tracking now

TonyVanDam said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

BONUS:

Watch Iggy kick off the ESPYs above....

Another lip-syncing performance from the current generation of artists. At least Iggy still have a beautful looks.

Beautiful? I won't comment on that. I just find it interesting that she has a black NBA player quickly on had for photo ops. Is that her attempt to be black? You know, in the way many on here accuse Nicki of trying to be "white"?

SeventeenDayze said:

TonyVanDam said:

Another lip-syncing performance from the current generation of artists. At least Iggy still have a beautful looks.

Beautiful? I won't comment on that. I just find it interesting that she has a black NBA player quickly on had for photo ops. Is that her attempt to be black? You know, in the way many on here accuse Nicki of trying to be "white"?

You reeeaaaalllllllyyyyy hate this chick, don't you?

Nicki has never tried to be white; she tries to be accepted, like all pop stars. That means she has to play with her image. Its her job. Mass acceptance is part of being a pop star. Its Iggy's job, too. It would seem that she has been around/finds herself most comfortable around black people as long as she's been in the U.S.

If she looked like Adele and was dating an ex-con, nobody would care. When she was dating A$AP Rocky, there was only a mumble or a mutter here and there. Nobody cared. As soon as she started dating an athlete - BOOM! She's tapped into the holy golddigger grail and now its open season on chick.

Honestyly, I couold care less who she dates, bangs or whatever. I just don't see her as this evil monster bitch who is both racist and brotha-hungry, manipulating the black male population while simultaneously appropriating black culture. She doesn't seem fake to me. From her interviews, she just doesn't seem smart enough to be some kind of mastermind.

She just seems like a young chick who can rap and has some looks who digs black culture who is being used by corporate record companies to sell an image. She ain't a "big picture" kinda gal.

[Edited 7/18/14 10:19am]

BlaqueKnight said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Beautiful? I won't comment on that. I just find it interesting that she has a black NBA player quickly on had for photo ops. Is that her attempt to be black? You know, in the way many on here accuse Nicki of trying to be "white"?

You reeeaaaalllllllyyyyy hate this chick, don't you?

Nicki has never tried to be white; she tries to be accepted, like all pop stars. That means she has to play with her image. Its her job. Mass acceptance is part of being a pop star. Its Iggy's job, too. It would seem that she has been around/finds herself most comfortable around black people as long as she's been in the U.S.

If she looked like Adele and was dating an ex-con, nobody would care. When she was dating A$AP Rocky, there was only a mumble or a mutter here and there. Nobody cared. As soon as she started dating an athlete - BOOM! She's tapped into the holy golddigger grail and now its open season on chick.

Honestyly, I couold care less who she dates, bangs or whatever. I just don't see her as this evil monster bitch who is both racist and brotha-hungry, manipulating the black male population while simultaneously appropriating black culture. She doesn't seem fake to me. From her interviews, she just doesn't seem smart enough to be some kind of mastermind.

She just seems like a young chick who can rap and has some looks who digs black culture who is being used by corporate record companies to sell an image. She ain't a "big picture" kinda gal.

[Edited 7/18/14 10:19am]

Don't see the forest for the trees much, do you? A sharp eagle doesn't show her claws. Seems to me a lot of black guys these days willfully fawn all over the leftovers of the white guys. Meanwhile, black women are expected to be okay with this and fight over the handful of you all that still date us (but don't marry us).

This follows that same path. Black men giving this chick a pass because she's having fun at the "pretend to be black playground" for the moment...I don't think I need data on this situation, just think about the high numbers of black men who take the leftovers from white men and then act like she's a queen or something.

This isn't about hate. I have seen this play out so many times and feel like it's okay for me to share what I have seen happen over and over again.

[Edited 7/18/14 10:26am]

SeventeenDayze said:

Don't see the forest for the trees much, do you? A sharp eagle doesn't show her claws. Seems to me a lot of black guys these days willfully fawn all over the leftovers of the white guys. Meanwhile, black women are expected to be okay with this and fight over the handful of you all that still date us (but don't marry us).

This follows that same path. Black men giving this chick a pass because she's having fun at the "pretend to be black playground" for the moment...I don't think I need data on this situation, just think about the high numbers of black men who take the leftovers from white men and then act like she's a queen or something.

This isn't about hate. I have seen this play out so many times and feel like it's okay for me to share what I have seen happen over and over again.

[Edited 7/18/14 10:26am]

You're so busy looking at the forest that you don't see the top view; the google earth view. These old white guys sitting in offices couldn't give a f*ck less about Iggy. They care about money. If you believe anything different, you're wrong. They are using her to gain influence. They seek control and that's it. She AND ALL OTHER POP CHICKS are just tools for them to make money. Every chick they invest in is where she is to make them money in some way or another. There is a reason its getting harder and harder to tell music videos from commercials.

That young knucklehead HAS NO POWER AT ALL. She has no "claws"; she's product. She probably thinks to heself "I just want to do music and be famous" but there is a price for that. They all think that at first.

But I will address your point for a sec: black women seem to be collectively angry at any white woman who dates black men. It doesn't seem to matter if its real love or not. But it go even further, its only certain black men.

Like I said before, NOBODY CARED WHEN SHE WAS DATING A$AP ROCKY. It only became an issue when she started messing around with black womens' prize possession: the black male athlete.

Of all of the men, these are the ones black women actively CHASE the most. A lot of them aren't too bright, so they can be manipulated. They have deep pockets. They are famous. They are in good shape. They can pay for a woman's extravagant lifestyle, take care of her family and even get them a reality show. Its fame and money trickle-down. Athletes are less likely to go broke than singers or rappers and less likely to go to jail. This makes them perfect targets. Mothers plan to marry off their daughters to athletes. They are the royalty of the black community. This is why black women hate to see them not only with white women of any kind but with "foreign" women, even if they too are black. Black American women view black athletes as their exclusive property to be fought over amoungst each other and no one else.

If Iggy were dating Skrillex or some white athlete, no one would care. She tapped into the "sacred holy grail" of sistas and now she is under the gun. If her crowd was solely white instead of mostly white, black women would have no problem with her like they have no problem with rappers like Mac Miller. Nope. This is not the case. She is hated for who she dated and who she hangs around. That's the real bottom line. Let her get pregnant by dude; sistas will put a hit out on her ass.

BlaqueKnight said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Don't see the forest for the trees much, do you? A sharp eagle doesn't show her claws. Seems to me a lot of black guys these days willfully fawn all over the leftovers of the white guys. Meanwhile, black women are expected to be okay with this and fight over the handful of you all that still date us (but don't marry us).

This follows that same path. Black men giving this chick a pass because she's having fun at the "pretend to be black playground" for the moment...I don't think I need data on this situation, just think about the high numbers of black men who take the leftovers from white men and then act like she's a queen or something.

This isn't about hate. I have seen this play out so many times and feel like it's okay for me to share what I have seen happen over and over again.

[Edited 7/18/14 10:26am]

You're so busy looking at the forest that you don't see the top view; the google earth view. These old white guys sitting in offices couldn't give a f*ck less about Iggy. They care about money. If you believe anything different, you're wrong. They are using her to gain influence. They seek control and that's it. She AND ALL OTHER POP CHICKS are just tools for them to make money. Every chick they invest in is where she is to make them money in some way or another. There is a reason its getting harder and harder to tell music videos from commercials.

That young knucklehead HAS NO POWER AT ALL. She has no "claws"; she's product. She probably thinks to heself "I just want to do music and be famous" but there is a price for that. They all think that at first.

But I will address your point for a sec: black women seem to be collectively angry at any white woman who dates black men. It doesn't seem to matter if its real love or not. But it go even further, its only certain black men.

Like I said before, NOBODY CARED WHEN SHE WAS DATING A$AP ROCKY. It only became an issue when she started messing around with black womens' prize possession: the black male athlete.

Of all of the men, these are the ones black women actively CHASE the most. A lot of them aren't too bright, so they can be manipulated. They have deep pockets. They are famous. They are in good shape. They can pay for a woman's extravagant lifestyle, take care of her family and even get them a reality show. Its fame and money trickle-down. Athletes are less likely to go broke than singers or rappers and less likely to go to jail. This makes them perfect targets. Mothers plan to marry off their daughters to athletes. They are the royalty of the black community. This is why black women hate to see them not only with white women of any kind but with "foreign" women, even if they too are black. Black American women view black athletes as their exclusive property to be fought over amoungst each other and no one else.

If Iggy were dating Skrillex or some white athlete, no one would care. She tapped into the "sacred holy grail" of sistas and now she is under the gun. If her crowd was solely white instead of mostly white, black women would have no problem with her like they have no problem with rappers like Mac Miller. Nope. This is not the case. She is hated for who she dated and who she hangs around. That's the real bottom line. Let her get pregnant by dude; sistas will put a hit out on her ass.

Whether you realize or not, everything you wrote proved what I had been saying all along. Thanks.

SeventeenDayze said:

BlaqueKnight said:

You're so busy looking at the forest that you don't see the top view; the google earth view. These old white guys sitting in offices couldn't give a f*ck less about Iggy. They care about money. If you believe anything different, you're wrong. They are using her to gain influence. They seek control and that's it. She AND ALL OTHER POP CHICKS are just tools for them to make money. Every chick they invest in is where she is to make them money in some way or another. There is a reason its getting harder and harder to tell music videos from commercials.

That young knucklehead HAS NO POWER AT ALL. She has no "claws"; she's product. She probably thinks to heself "I just want to do music and be famous" but there is a price for that. They all think that at first.

But I will address your point for a sec: black women seem to be collectively angry at any white woman who dates black men. It doesn't seem to matter if its real love or not. But it go even further, its only certain black men.

Like I said before, NOBODY CARED WHEN SHE WAS DATING A$AP ROCKY. It only became an issue when she started messing around with black womens' prize possession: the black male athlete.

Of all of the men, these are the ones black women actively CHASE the most. A lot of them aren't too bright, so they can be manipulated. They have deep pockets. They are famous. They are in good shape. They can pay for a woman's extravagant lifestyle, take care of her family and even get them a reality show. Its fame and money trickle-down. Athletes are less likely to go broke than singers or rappers and less likely to go to jail. This makes them perfect targets. Mothers plan to marry off their daughters to athletes. They are the royalty of the black community. This is why black women hate to see them not only with white women of any kind but with "foreign" women, even if they too are black. Black American women view black athletes as their exclusive property to be fought over amoungst each other and no one else.

If Iggy were dating Skrillex or some white athlete, no one would care. She tapped into the "sacred holy grail" of sistas and now she is under the gun. If her crowd was solely white instead of mostly white, black women would have no problem with her like they have no problem with rappers like Mac Miller. Nope. This is not the case. She is hated for who she dated and who she hangs around. That's the real bottom line. Let her get pregnant by dude; sistas will put a hit out on her ass.

Whether you realize or not, everything you wrote proved what I had been saying all along. Thanks.

Not really. You seem to be putting the blame on Iggy.

CynicKill said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Whether you realize or not, everything you wrote proved what I had been saying all along. Thanks.

Not really. You seem to be putting the blame on Iggy.

I really doubt that you all would be putting this much effort into defending Nicki Minaj....oh wait, you're not putting any effort into defending her at all. Point proven.

SeventeenDayze said:

CynicKill said:

Not really. You seem to be putting the blame on Iggy.

I really doubt that you all would be putting this much effort into defending Nicki Minaj....oh wait, you're not putting any effort into defending her at all. Point proven.

I remember when I was defending Nicki when people were on here calling her a Kim clone and saying she couldn't rap. I have a preference for the truth. Nicki has her own style and sound as well.

I don't think Iggy is this hustle mastermind that you seem to believe she is. If she was, she wouldn't be rapping, she'd be signing "Iggys" herself.

SeventeenDayze said:

CynicKill said:

Not really. You seem to be putting the blame on Iggy.

I really doubt that you all would be putting this much effort into defending Nicki Minaj....oh wait, you're not putting any effort into defending her at all. Point proven.

I bought Nicki's first cd. Did you?

SeventeenDayze said:

TonyVanDam said:

Another lip-syncing performance from the current generation of artists. At least Iggy still have a beautful looks.

Beautiful? I won't comment on that. I just find it interesting that she has a black NBA player quickly on had for photo ops. Is that her attempt to be black? You know, in the way many on here accuse Nicki of trying to be "white"?

Oh please. White women had been fancying NBA players for years.

TonyVanDam said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Beautiful? I won't comment on that. I just find it interesting that she has a black NBA player quickly on had for photo ops. Is that her attempt to be black? You know, in the way many on here accuse Nicki of trying to be "white"?

Oh please. White women had been fancying NBA players for years.

I am talking about one individual, in this case Iggy. I never said that she's the first white woman to go after black athletes. I wasn't born yesterday...

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Staying on topic, Iggy looks better when she goes light on the make-up like THAT^ picture.

SeventeenDayze said:

TonyVanDam said:

Oh please. White women had been fancying NBA players for years.

I am talking about one individual, in this case Iggy. I never said that she's the first white woman to go after black athletes. I wasn't born yesterday...

Relax. I'm just having too much fun with this thread.

TonyVanDam said:

SeventeenDayze said:

I am talking about one individual, in this case Iggy. I never said that she's the first white woman to go after black athletes. I wasn't born yesterday...

Relax. I'm just having too much fun with this thread.

Okay, gotcha Good to know you're not behind the screen huffin' and puffin', fuming mad about this convo But, there are some folks on this thread that are backpeddaling on some of their comments. Why is it so hard to admit that this chick is a poser and using black men to have black points? Geez, sometimes the obvious ain't so obvious.

SeventeenDayze said:

TonyVanDam said:

Relax. I'm just having too much fun with this thread.

Okay, gotcha Good to know you're not behind the screen huffin' and puffin', fuming mad about this convo But, there are some folks on this thread that are backpeddaling on some of their comments. Why is it so hard to admit that this chick is a poser and using black men to have black points? Geez, sometimes the obvious ain't so obvious.

You need to get your facts straight missy. Nick Young is the one that came after Iggy! He sent her a message on Twitter. HE had a crush on HER! HE asked HER out. That is how they started dating. Yes it works her favor now. But she didn't initiate it.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Okay, gotcha Good to know you're not behind the screen huffin' and puffin', fuming mad about this convo But, there are some folks on this thread that are backpeddaling on some of their comments. Why is it so hard to admit that this chick is a poser and using black men to have black points? Geez, sometimes the obvious ain't so obvious.

You need to get your facts straight missy. Nick Young is the one that came after Iggy! He sent her a message on Twitter. HE had a crush on HER! HE asked HER out. That is how they started dating. Yes it works her favor now. But she didn't initiate it.

You need to actually read with both eyes open, missy. Seems that you skipped right over what I wrote about black men accepting any old kind of mediocrity of the white man's leftovers. But, whatever, if you want to pretend to see words that I didn't write, then happy trails.

steakfinger said:

Nicki had more going for her than "big booty female rapper" when she first debuted into the mainstream music scene. It wasn't anything extraordinary but she's had a actual hip hop background and shown she can rap, I'll admit I haven't heard any of Iggy's earlier works but I doubt she was rapping before she became what we know her as today. If she was then it wasn't in the manufactured way in her 2 songs getting heavy radio play. I'm not saying that Nicki should be liked for no reason other than her looks (because she originally wasn't and actually showed she can rap), I'm saying when it comes to Iggy looks is really all she has besides some desperate attempt to "sound black" with the painfully fake urban accent she uses. Even if she's better than what she's been led on to be, her main gimmick is "white Australian girl rapper with the [fake] booty of a black girl". ALL image for Iggy, mostly image for Nicki.

MotownSubdivision said:

steakfinger said:

I can't stand either one of them, but what you're talking about is the only think Minaj has going for her, too.

So it's okay for Minaj to be liked for no reason other than her looks but with Iggy it's not?

Top 40 music sucks and the only reason ANYONE is there is primarily because of image.

There hasn'tbeen substance in Top 40 music in a looong time and that probably had more to do with people who happen to have an image/brand/whatever that went along with their substance.

Nicki had more going for her than "big booty female rapper" when she first debuted into the mainstream music scene. It wasn't anything extraordinary but she's had a actual hip hop background and shown she can rap, I'll admit I haven't heard any of Iggy's earlier works but I doubt she was rapping before she became what we know her as today. If she was then it wasn't in the manufactured way in her 2 songs getting heavy radio play. I'm not saying that Nicki should be liked for no reason other than her looks (because she originally wasn't and actually showed she can rap), I'm saying when it comes to Iggy looks is really all she has besides some desperate attempt to "sound black" with the painfully fake urban accent she uses. Even if she's better than what she's been led on to be, her main gimmick is "white Australian girl rapper with the [fake] booty of a black girl". ALL image for Iggy, mostly image for Nicki.

I agree with what you wrote here. I have freely admitted that I am not exactly a fan of Nicki but as you said, she's got a bit more talent in the hip-hop genre than most people give her credit for since she crossed over into pop music. I think her transition into pop was career suicide. I think the Nicki haters probably felt threatened that Nicki was among her peers at the BET awards (getting more awards) and talking about her skills. I imagine if the reverse were happening (Iggy getting an award at the MTV awards) and if she made comments to "diss" Nicki, nobody would think of it as a rivalry and wouldn't give it a second thought.

The only thing I will add on to what you wrote is that I still think it's pretty clear that the whole thing of strategically placing her around black men such as T.I. and her NBA boyfriend is strictly for marketing purposes and to draw in more black males to her fanbase.

But, there's just no way that a person with only two hits should ever be declared the new face of hip-hop over a person who has been doing the same for several years.

Why radio stations were forced to play Iggy Azalea’s ‘Fancy’ at least 150 times

The other songs they mention are strictly R&B centered and I'm sure they did extremely well on that chart. No controversy here. Just another form of payola.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

"Fancy" and quality don't belong in the same sentence.