Either it was the music, or the image, or the videos mainstreams put on today

What's the thing that makes you hate her or him?

I always thought about starting something considering this, we always bitch about it... why?

main streme music is too vulgar and violent for me; i like music to be innocent and entertaining

My main complaint about today's mainstream music - for the most part - is the lack of substance. Lyrically and musically speaking, it just leaves me empty. It's like wanting a Thanksgiving feast but getting a happy meal. There's nothing satisfying about it. To me, good music - no matter the genre - is nourishing to the brain and the spirit. I've heard very little of today's mainstream music that's like that.

The reason why I don't like today's mainstream music is because I'm an elitist old fart. These

arguments based on "today's music is vulgar" or "today's music doesn't have any substance"

are unfounded: Prince was vulgar in the 80s and 90s; and his first two albums are pop-disco

lite efforts that hardly have any "substance."

Using those arguments to justify your disdain for today's mainstream music means that you must

use them against Prince's mainstream music in the 80s and 90s. No; the reason why you don't

like today's mainstream music is because you are either an elitist or getting older (i.e., the main

stream is not catering to your generation's sensibilities) or both, just like me.

I don't complain and I like "today's mainstream music" about as much as I ever have. I actually don't, in general, buy the arguments that there has been some horrible change in general quality, and I really don't understand references to "substance" as a general characteristic of the mainstream at any time.

I am interested in whether responses will get beyond the "because there's nothing to it" line that people throw around constantly. I hope they do, because I'd like to understand why things get so readily dismissed, and how people can seem to dislike the whole of contemporary popular music, and yet like previous popular music that I don't really see much difference in quality-wise.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

My main complaint about today's mainstream music - for the most part - is the lack of substance. Lyrically and musically speaking, it just leaves me empty. It's like wanting a Thanksgiving feast but getting a happy meal. There's nothing satisfying about it. To me, good music - no matter the genre - is nourishing to the brain and the spirit. I've heard very little of today's mainstream music that's like that.

Sometimes, I feel like the lyrics are just what the artist feels and all, when you hear an EDM song that has the main lyric saying "Put yours hands up in the air and dont care bla bla bla" it would feel very empty and bland.. but sometimes, lyrical substance or growth isn't the standard for good music, like what fellow Duccichucka said, a lot of respected artists never had any profound or deep visions about things when you hear their songs, they just love to sing about love and uplift the people with their tunes.

duccichucka said:

The reason why I don't like today's mainstream music is because I'm an elitist old fart. These

arguments based on "today's music is vulgar" or "today's music doesn't have any substance"

are unfounded: Prince was vulgar in the 80s and 90s; and his first two albums are pop-disco

lite efforts that hardly have any "substance."

Using those arguments to justify your disdain for today's mainstream music means that you must

use them against Prince's mainstream music in the 80s and 90s. No; the reason why you don't

like today's mainstream music is because you are either an elitist or getting older (i.e., the main

stream is not catering to your generation's sensibilities) or both, just like me.

lol........u said it

but try not to offend all the aging orgers here lol

"real music by real musicians"

we get it............now time to give it a rest

duccichucka said:

The reason why I don't like today's mainstream music is because I'm an elitist old fart. These

arguments based on "today's music is vulgar" or "today's music doesn't have any substance"

are unfounded: Prince was vulgar in the 80s and 90s; and his first two albums are pop-disco

lite efforts that hardly have any "substance."

Using those arguments to justify your disdain for today's mainstream music means that you must

use them against Prince's mainstream music in the 80s and 90s. No; the reason why you don't

like today's mainstream music is because you are either an elitist or getting older (i.e., the main

stream is not catering to your generation's sensibilities) or both, just like me.

LOL! Oh please, the worst songs on Prince's first two albums have more substance in their first measures, than what's on entire albums of what's considered "hot" today. It's his new stuff that's lacking, seriously. No, I'm not afraid to say it!

And the only catering today's mainstream music is doing, is to the bank accounts of those that are willing to dumb down the masses with substance free, cookie cutter, drivel. If thinking that makes me an elitist, then I may have to change my Org name to ElisaElitiston.

Shawy89 said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

My main complaint about today's mainstream music - for the most part - is the lack of substance. Lyrically and musically speaking, it just leaves me empty. It's like wanting a Thanksgiving feast but getting a happy meal. There's nothing satisfying about it. To me, good music - no matter the genre - is nourishing to the brain and the spirit. I've heard very little of today's mainstream music that's like that.

Sometimes, I feel like the lyrics are just what the artist feels and all, when you hear an EDM song that has the main lyric saying "Put yours hands up in the air and dont care bla bla bla" it would feel very empty and bland.. but sometimes, lyrical substance or growth isn't the standard for good music, like what fellow Duccichucka said, a lot of respected artists never had any profound or deep visions about things when you hear their songs, they just love to sing about love and uplift the people with their tunes.

Some of my favorite songs have goofy unprofound lyrics but there was real music behind them, that made them enjoyable and uplifting. Musically, there's not much there in today's mainstream music. Samples and looped beats is not very uplifting. It often just makes me want to go listen to the original songs for that.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

My main complaint about today's mainstream music - for the most part - is the lack of substance. Lyrically and musically speaking, it just leaves me empty. It's like wanting a Thanksgiving feast but getting a happy meal. There's nothing satisfying about it. To me, good music - no matter the genre - is nourishing to the brain and the spirit. I've heard very little of today's mainstream music that's like that.

Shawy89 said:

Either it was the music, or the image, or the videos mainstreams put on today

What's the thing that makes you hate her or him?

I always thought about starting something considering this, we always bitch about it... why?

I'm in my 40's now and I'm getting too old for the new stuff. New artists re-doing older songs of my younger days makes me sad because they almost always spoil the original. I know who Selena Gomez, Miley Cyrus and Justin Bieber are but couldn't name a single song of theirs if a million dollar pay day depended on it ... and don't care. With each passing decade, musical compositions consist of less and less music, which "curbs my enthusiasm".

duccichucka said:

The reason why I don't like today's mainstream music is because I'm an elitist old fart. These

arguments based on "today's music is vulgar" or "today's music doesn't have any substance"

are unfounded: Prince was vulgar in the 80s and 90s; and his first two albums are pop-disco

lite efforts that hardly have any "substance."

Using those arguments to justify your disdain for today's mainstream music means that you must

use them against Prince's mainstream music in the 80s and 90s. No; the reason why you don't

like today's mainstream music is because you are either an elitist or getting older (i.e., the main

stream is not catering to your generation's sensibilities) or both, just like me.

Very unfair to Prince. He was never vulgarity 24/7 even his mainstream songs.

I will be forty two in a month's time and I am turing into the old person every generation complains about, I can't relate to present day's musings.

UncleGrandpa said:

I will be forty two in a month's time and I am turing into the old person every generation complains about, I can't relate to present day's musings.

I'll be 43 soon and we're sailing in the same boat here.

- Rudimentary songwriting masked by production gimmicks.

- Lyrical content has very little correspondence with a grown up person's emotional life.

- Ridiculous overemphasis of bass and treble.

- Performers pretending to be "authentic" ("I'm real") when they are clearly the opposite of it.
- Overreliance on catchphrases, often performed in an annoying way by the vocalist.

- The arrangements are too often just sounds layered on top of each other without taking the harmonic content into account.

- Too many songs try to sound "epic" during the choruses even if the subject matter doesn't call for it and the melodies are too weak for it.

- Most of it is just plain tasteless.

It sounds like it was recorded with Fisher Price instruments and it's duller and has less rhythm than Lawrence Welk.

duccichucka said:

The reason why I don't like today's mainstream music is because I'm an elitist old fart. These

arguments based on "today's music is vulgar" or "today's music doesn't have any substance"

are unfounded: Prince was vulgar in the 80s and 90s; and his first two albums are pop-disco

lite efforts that hardly have any "substance."

Using those arguments to justify your disdain for today's mainstream music means that you must

use them against Prince's mainstream music in the 80s and 90s. No; the reason why you don't

like today's mainstream music is because you are either an elitist or getting older (i.e., the main

stream is not catering to your generation's sensibilities) or both, just like me.

The hell with that. I like vulgar. The nastier, filthier, and more explicit, the better. And as for getting older, hell, I hated new mainstream music in the 1990s and I was at the ripe old age of my 20s back then. No, there's no getting older here. New music actually is shit.

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I find that,the "new" music that I like these days is usually something that sounds like it's from the past Many artists are going 'retro' these days and that's a good development

-it all started in the very late '70s, really, with all those synths...

back in da day folks like Keith Richards perhaps sounded too extreme when they claimed that synth music was not music at all, that it sounded cheap and dull, etc.

-The difference is that in the '80s most synth bands came from a generation which had absorbed the craft and songwriting skills of folks like Bowie, Beatles, Elton John, Stevie Wonder, or the rhythm/beats of James Brown, to name some examples: Duran Duran was basically a '60s british invasion band with synths, the early'80s funk bands were James Brown with synths, ect...; there were also the experimental/new age genres which tried to legitimate the whole synth thing...

-then the '90s came and rock made a resurrection (while metal, sadly, started its decline), but pop and synth music became increasingly dull (maybe because the '90s dance, synth and pop bands were not that interested-if any-in '60s and '70s music)

-and now we have the '00s and post-'00s "artists", a bunch of spoiled brats from the late-'80s generation which come from the Dangerous/The Chronic era, it's all about letting some ***hole build a lame beat for you, add some unremarkable synth melody and a repetitive chorus and there you have it...synth music is DEAD as far as I'm concerned, Rihanna's songwriters can toss off a catchy single here and there, but that's about it

-and what about the organic music? well, new rock bands are average or overrated, it seems that nobody can write a new classic for the masses...perhaps we're living in the era of "strong album tracks", but hey, I need my new instant classic singles too... Back in da day singles were useful to get hooked on by new acts, you know, the "hey, that sounds good!" thing, now it's just about a faceless collection of 13-14 songs of varying quality, and I don't have the time nor patience to look for the best songs...getting old? NO. Just give me a great single dammit...

Oh, and I forgot to mention that '00s new artists, for whatever reason, get burned quickly, it's all about a couple of good singles, maybe some good singles, then a good album, and then CRAP or unremarkable music (clearly overrated by their delusional fans), there are lots of examples, Arcade Fire and GaGa might be the ultimate examples...

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babynoz said:

duccichucka said:

The reason why I don't like today's mainstream music is because I'm an elitist old fart. These

arguments based on "today's music is vulgar" or "today's music doesn't have any substance"

are unfounded: Prince was vulgar in the 80s and 90s; and his first two albums are pop-disco

lite efforts that hardly have any "substance."

Using those arguments to justify your disdain for today's mainstream music means that you must

use them against Prince's mainstream music in the 80s and 90s. No; the reason why you don't

like today's mainstream music is because you are either an elitist or getting older (i.e., the main

stream is not catering to your generation's sensibilities) or both, just like me.

Very unfair to Prince. He was never vulgarity 24/7 even his mainstream songs.

And it's very unfair to today's music to claim all of it as vulgar or without substance. You can't

have your cake and eat it too.

and let's not forget that mainstream music has been ruled by teens since Britney's breakthrough...

that's what happens when you let a teen rule anything: it becomes dull, lol

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vainandy said:

duccichucka said:

The reason why I don't like today's mainstream music is because I'm an elitist old fart. These

arguments based on "today's music is vulgar" or "today's music doesn't have any substance"

are unfounded: Prince was vulgar in the 80s and 90s; and his first two albums are pop-disco

lite efforts that hardly have any "substance."

Using those arguments to justify your disdain for today's mainstream music means that you must

use them against Prince's mainstream music in the 80s and 90s. No; the reason why you don't

like today's mainstream music is because you are either an elitist or getting older (i.e., the main

stream is not catering to your generation's sensibilities) or both, just like me.

The hell with that. I like vulgar. The nastier, filthier, and more explicit, the better. And as for getting older, hell, I hated new mainstream music in the 1990s and I was at the ripe old age of my 20s back then. No, there's no getting older here. New music actually is shit.

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There is no way for you to prove that new music is actually shit. In order to do that, you'd have

to break down what good music is. This is an impossible task because there is no consensus as

to what constitutes "good" music. Then, you'd have to compare and contrast whatever standard

of that good music with ALL of today's "new music." This is another impossible task. That's like

saying "I hate Fuji apples; they are not good apples." Well, you better be able to explain to us

what makes a good apple; have science and society agree with you, and then eat ALL the apples

known to humankind for comparison. Like I said: impossible!

Judging by the tone of your post, it is probably a good bet that you think today's new music is shit

because you are simply an elitist. By the way, in your opinion, what was the best decade of

popular music, Andy?

duccichucka said:

vainandy said:

The hell with that. I like vulgar. The nastier, filthier, and more explicit, the better. And as for getting older, hell, I hated new mainstream music in the 1990s and I was at the ripe old age of my 20s back then. No, there's no getting older here. New music actually is shit.

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There is no way for you to prove that new music is actually shit. In order to do that, you'd have

to break down what good music is. This is an impossible task because there is no consensus as

to what constitutes "good" music. Then, you'd have to compare and contrast whatever standard

of that good music with ALL of today's "new music." This is another impossible task. That's like

saying "I hate Fuji apples; they are not good apples." Well, you better be able to explain to us

what makes a good apple; have science and society agree with you, and then eat ALL the apples

known to humankind for comparison. Like I said: impossible!

Judging by the tone of your post, it is probably a good bet that you think today's new music is shit

because you are simply an elitist. By the way, in your opinion, what was the best decade of

popular music, Andy?

take it easy, it's all about good taste Anyone embracing '00s mainstream music has bad taste

novabrkr said:

- Rudimentary songwriting masked by production gimmicks.

- Lyrical content has very little correspondence with a grown up person's emotional life.

- Ridiculous overemphasis of bass and treble.

- Performers pretending to be "authentic" ("I'm real") when they are clearly the opposite of it.
- Overreliance on catchphrases, often performed in an annoying way by the vocalist.

- The arrangements are too often just sounds layered on top of each other without taking the harmonic content into account.

- Too many songs try to sound "epic" during the choruses even if the subject matter doesn't call for it and the melodies are too weak for it.

- Most of it is just plain tasteless.

duccichucka said:

vainandy said:

The hell with that. I like vulgar. The nastier, filthier, and more explicit, the better. And as for getting older, hell, I hated new mainstream music in the 1990s and I was at the ripe old age of my 20s back then. No, there's no getting older here. New music actually is shit.

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There is no way for you to prove that new music is actually shit. In order to do that, you'd have

to break down what good music is. This is an impossible task because there is no consensus as

to what constitutes "good" music. Then, you'd have to compare and contrast whatever standard

of that good music with ALL of today's "new music." This is another impossible task. That's like

saying "I hate Fuji apples; they are not good apples." Well, you better be able to explain to us

what makes a good apple; have science and society agree with you, and then eat ALL the apples

known to humankind for comparison. Like I said: impossible!

Judging by the tone of your post, it is probably a good bet that you think today's new music is shit

because you are simply an elitist. By the way, in your opinion, what was the best decade of

popular music, Andy?

It's very simple. Funk = good, Shit hop and neo stool = shit. As far with the rock genre, I really wouldn't know, nor would I care, because my beef is with today's R&B. I love rock, mainly old rock, but I really could care less about the state of rock today because it never was a dancefloor genre of music anyway.

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As far as trying to be "elite", that's far from what I am. A lot of people who complain about shit hop, think neo stool is a mainstream R&B alternative to listen to instead of shit hop. They sit around in their clubs with an empty dancefloor and drink wine instead of beer and talk about their favorite artists having influences such as jazz and such and like to put on an elite act of being "cultured". That's not me at all. That shit is boring as hell and I want something that makes you want to get down and dirty on the dancefloor. And yes, I've noticed that some of mainstream R&B has gotten uptempo these days, which is something it hasn't been since the 1990s, but it's recorded with Fisher Price toys and not drums and bass so even though it's uptempo, it's still weak sounding because there's no power or real thump to it.

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My favorite decade of music? That's very simple to answer. 1975-1985. Disco came along in the mid 1970s and sped up the tempo of funk and modernized it by making it sound less jazz influenced. Disco so-called "died" in 1979 but it's impact was still alive in the funk from the early 1980s because it remained at a disco tempo and didn't go back to it's more primitive sound before disco's impact. When things first started fucking up was when Shitney Houston made it big in 1985 making the dullest adult contemporary sounding slow stuff and watered down sounding uptempo stuff. Then came Anita Faker, Deadie Jackson, Sicki Howard, Regina Hell, and a whole bunch of other dull asses who started getting more airplay than funk and eventually killed it. I didn't think things could get any worse but then came shit hop in the 1990s. Well hell, the timing was perfect for it since it was all dull and slow to midtempo and a lot of people's ears had gotten used to hearing a huge portion of dull slow to midtempo stuff with those tired ass adult contemporary artists of the late 1980s. Plus, shit hop filled the "rebellion" void that was missing after funk died and R&B was littered with all these "parent friendly" adult contemporary acts.

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I Think people are all full of shit on this matter like the 80's, 70's, 60's, 90's etc. OR ANY DECADE (I See you comin to correct me MickeyDolenz calm down i got you)

It's honestly your fault for not seeking out good music. You like good music? find it! i can some great artists that none of you haven't listened to that have

Great Lyrics
Great production
Great Intrumentals
Great Personalities

Like rock?
Portishead
TV On The Radio
The Flaming Lips
The National



Like Conscious Hip-Hop?
Fashawn
Kendrick Lamar
Brother Ali
Immortal Technique
Lupe Fiasco
Madvillany
Blu Exile
Danny Brown

Like r&b?
Van Hunt
Frank Ocean
The Weekend"
Sister Weekend


Like metal?
Opeth
Cult Of Luna
Kamelot
Shining
Mastodon

Like Synth-Pop or Dark Electronica?
Crystal Castles
LCD Soundsystem
Flying Lotus

Like Avant Garde?
Matana Roberts


Like Industrial Hip-Hop?
Death Grips
Shabazz Palaces

That was just a few from different genres that are fantastic. And are even critically accalaimed if you need approval. Tell me more genres, i'll name great modern artists.

The 80's had violent music, sexual music, music with bad lyrics, bad music videos, and bad pop stars. BUT it also had some great shit on top of all that. SAME THING WITH THIS DECADE.

Stop listening to a few top 40 songs and think you know ''what modern music is'' you older orgers or hipster ''i wish i was born as a hippie orgers'' cause your whiny asses are missing out on some great shit.