PatrickS77 said:

Scorp said:

this guy just said, he "don't know whether that's true or not"......

so that' means u really don't know but u think that u know

that's all I need to know loll

Dude, your so fucking retarded. Where in my post did I pretend to know anything about her masters??? If you recall, I didn't refer to your claim about her masters, I only responded to your false claim about her being an billionaire, which she isn't. Her husband is. And even by owning her masters, she wouldn't be a bilionaire. The masters have not such a big worth, as she is not selling like she used to.

this is what happens when someone's argument holds no water, they resort to personal attacks....lollll

that stuff has no affect on me at all......

just by who u respond, I already know u don't know, which is all that I really need to know

I think it's funny

LOL adult movies...

It is true she has her masters and it's admirable, that's why I don't care anymore if she comes back or not though I would support her either way. She has nothing to prove. Also, there is no point for fans to get defensive when other posters say she's over or too old and things like that. It's not necessarily about what's being said or how that poster personally feels, what's being pointed out is the music industry and society's double standards towards older female artists of colour, even though she is still young.

lastdecember said:

Cause she hit her peak in the 90's just like Prince and Madonna and Michael hit it in the 80's, every artist has their "honeymoon period" Janet was big for her time but as times changed new YOUNGER ladies came out, she was viewed as OLD NEWS, seem reason no one gives a crap about Mariah, they will always sell to their base audience, they will sell out shows etc...but give it up with the idea of platnum albums and number one hits and across the board coverage.

AGE is the number one reason, the Superbowl thing mattered for about a month, kind of as long as people "were united" after 9/11, sounds good on paper but lets be real that shit ended right away. Plus the last few albums are not good at all, sorry but they aint, they are disposable, phoned in, they all sound as if they are the same long album, and TIMES CHANGE, when was the last time PRINCE sold a record? 10 years ago? and before that when? the very early 90's. Janet had her day let it go.

I agree with most of what you've said here

it ain't that "old stars" can't achieve......it's that this whack industry has convinced each new generation of young music buyers they can't

Tina Turner was 45 years old when she released Private Dancer in 1984 and that album ruled the charts and she won a stack of Grammy Awards to boot (real grammys)

Cher was in here 50s when she released Believe in 1998 and sold over 15 million copies worldwide, probably closer to 18-20 million......

Scorp said:

it ain't that "old stars" can't achieve......it's that this whack industry has convinced each new generation of young music buyers they can't

Tina Turner was 45 years old when she released Private Dancer in 1984 and that album ruled the charts and she won a stack of Grammy Awards to boot (real grammys)

Cher was in here 50s when she released Believe in 1998 and sold over 15 million copies worldwide, probably closer to 18-20 million......

Ok

Beautifulstarr123 said:

lastdecember said:

Cause she hit her peak in the 90's just like Prince and Madonna and Michael hit it in the 80's, every artist has their "honeymoon period" Janet was big for her time but as times changed new YOUNGER ladies came out, she was viewed as OLD NEWS, seem reason no one gives a crap about Mariah, they will always sell to their base audience, they will sell out shows etc...but give it up with the idea of platnum albums and number one hits and across the board coverage.

AGE is the number one reason, the Superbowl thing mattered for about a month, kind of as long as people "were united" after 9/11, sounds good on paper but lets be real that shit ended right away. Plus the last few albums are not good at all, sorry but they aint, they are disposable, phoned in, they all sound as if they are the same long album, and TIMES CHANGE, when was the last time PRINCE sold a record? 10 years ago? and before that when? the very early 90's. Janet had her day let it go.

I agree with most of what you've said here

It's unfair to Prince, Janet & Madonna to be compared to Michael Jackson when it comes to record sells. All of Michaels albums sold over 10 million since Off the wall... Even in his bad years with the media, he was selling numbers that none of ya'lls fav could do lol. Invincible sold 13 million without promotion... So lets not put MJ into the equation. (Some people suggest MJ wasn't that hot during the 00s, yet he was one of the most researched people online from 2004 till today. He should have made his comeback back in 07-08 because everyone was craving new Michael music... )

GoldDolphin said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

I agree with most of what you've said here

It's unfair to Prince, Janet & Madonna to be compared to Michael Jackson when it comes to record sells. All of Michaels albums sold over 10 million since Off the wall... Even in his bad years with the media, he was selling numbers that none of ya'lls fav could do lol. Invincible sold 13 million without promotion... So lets not put MJ into the equation. (Some people suggest MJ wasn't that hot during the 00s, yet he was one of the most researched people online from 2004 till today. He should have made his comeback back in 07-08 because everyone was craving new Michael music... )

I remember working in Borders Books & Music when Invincible dropped and just WAITING for someone to buy it... all those colorful covers arranged nicely in stacks together. I think I sold like 2 debut week. Maybe people heard it ahead of time Maybe 3 jams and filler filler filler

There was that period in the late 80s when you could have actually have some political content in pop - Michael, P and Madonna were the driving force. And Rhythm Nation felt part of that. And while obviously every album doesn't have to be that way - Janet was clearly a big hit - I feel like she set up that expectation that she was going to be the kind of artist to dip back into that well once in awhile (which is why P and Madonna have stayed more relevant). The whispery, "I'm in touch with my sexuality" MO just doesn't have enough heft to sustain a whole career.

My gut feeling is that janet both fell victim to control by her record label and was slowly losing interest in music. Even though I liked All For You a lot, that album and the ones after were trying to re-create the janet era. Though it was there during Velvet Rope too, that album held it's own and was the last piece of artistic genius in her catalogue. They were pushing her to use a formula that works, but like I said, she has nothing left to prove.

I do wish she got a chance to make music she likes and is capable of. She's talked many times about loving Brazillian jazz, and once said during the Damita Jo days she wants to make an album about racism and anger. She could still do it and is musically capable when she doesn't dumb her music down for the masses.

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MendesCity said:

There was that period in the late 80s when you could have actually have some political content in pop - Michael, P and Madonna were the driving force. And Rhythm Nation felt part of that. And while obviously every album doesn't have to be that way - Janet was clearly a big hit - I feel like she set up that expectation that she was going to be the kind of artist to dip back into that well once in awhile (which is why P and Madonna have stayed more relevant). The whispery, "I'm in touch with my sexuality" MO just doesn't have enough heft to sustain a whole career.

I see her expression of sexuality as political statements sometimes too (not unlike Madonna) but that was more Velvet Rope's distinction.

GoldDolphin said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

I agree with most of what you've said here

It's unfair to Prince, Janet & Madonna to be compared to Michael Jackson when it comes to record sells. All of Michaels albums sold over 10 million since Off the wall... Even in his bad years with the media, he was selling numbers that none of ya'lls fav could do lol. Invincible sold 13 million without promotion... So lets not put MJ into the equation. (Some people suggest MJ wasn't that hot during the 00s, yet he was one of the most researched people online from 2004 till today. He should have made his comeback back in 07-08 because everyone was craving new Michael music... )

Don't wanna make this a MJ versus... thing but I really think Madonna is in the same league as MJ. Maybe even more. MJ didn't release that many albums solo. Madonna already has 9 albums selling more than 10 million worldwide. And she keeps selling, she sold like 40 million albums in the last decade.

Don't know why MJ fans always think he was the only one who sold a lot of records.

GoldDolphin said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

I agree with most of what you've said here

It's unfair to Prince, Janet & Madonna to be compared to Michael Jackson when it comes to record sells. All of Michaels albums sold over 10 million since Off the wall... Even in his bad years with the media, he was selling numbers that none of ya'lls fav could do lol. Invincible sold 13 million without promotion... So lets not put MJ into the equation. (Some people suggest MJ wasn't that hot during the 00s, yet he was one of the most researched people online from 2004 till today. He should have made his comeback back in 07-08 because everyone was craving new Michael music... )

Frankly, I don't see where is the comparison here.