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MotorBootyAffair said:

The newer albums (Discipline, 20YO...) just arent that good overall. This is coming from a fan all the way back from Dream Street. These recordings have a lot of filler material, too many songs, too many "interlude" and "skit" annoyances that her fan base should have grown out of years ago, and many have.

Her titties on network television have nothing to do with her sales.

It's a difficult thing sometimes as a critical fan to fess up and just say, "hey, this just isn't good".

Yes, after Velvet Rope, I knew what to expect

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the filler material, all the interludes etc

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and there seems to always be a song where she is having an orgasm

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I would like to hear her do an all out ROCK album and with more deeper messages like Rhythm Nation/Velvet Rope

cbarnes3121 said:

why is this even a topic as if janet really cares? she married 2 a billion she a legend with her place frimly in music history with all the beyonces and rihanna trying 2 do what she has already done . just like with prince he has his core audience that brings him in multi millions per year why should he care about being #1.prince stated that back during 1999 era that he didnt give a hot damn about being number 1 and people still pressing him about something he dont care about

yeah but during the Parade era, he retracked that line from a song about not caring about awards at the Minesota Music Awards(?)

Prince cares, he really does

Hudson said:

Because she decided too have three number#1 movies in a roll instead..........

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Because she decided too have three number#1 movies in a row instead..........

In all seriousness though, I think the world is ready for her to return. All these artists remaking and sampling her music, fans and industry people Tweeting and posting instagrams of her "in the studio", and the younger female pop/R&B artists still referencing her as a major influence-- it's time.

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Because she decided too have three number#1 movies in a roll instead..........

ADC said:

Of all Janet's "hit albums," AFY ultimately sold the least. TVR sold less than janet., AFY sold less than TVR, Damita Jo sold less than AFU. Her sales were already on a downward spiral before that whole episode at the Superbowl happened. Even without that fallout, I imagine that DJ would have still struggled commercially (especially considering how lackluster the album was on its own.)

I don't think anything during the period of 1986-2001 as far as Janet is concerned can be considered a "downward spiral". Not many artists, no matter how big they get, sell as much as they did when the initially hit the stratosphere. The law of average says that of course her sales would eventually see a dip--all artists' do. But during the period I just mentioned, Janet was setting industry benchmarks, making landmark deals and was one of the few enduring female acts known for her visually stimulating videos, catchy songs and elaborate tours. The fact that TVR and AFY sold less than their predecessors is a moot point for her during those years.

Without Jam and Lewis Janet is "Genius' whispery little sister." Sales will never do without them.

carlcranshaw said:

Without Jam and Lewis Janet is "Genius' whispery little sister." Sales will never do without them.

I hear people say that, but Jam and Lewis are just as much to blame for the later albums. They were producing her. They can get lazy when not pushed too. Their production got to be a bit stale in the 90s with a lot of artists.

I'm very surprised nobody produced Janet's vocals better, and I don't know what everyone was doing when they listened to playback of the entire projects, in particular Damita Jo. That was a cluster. It had some good songs, but a lot of filler.

But I did like what they did on 20 YO- especailly songs like "Enjoy" and "Take Care". I also liked the Discipline album- and they didn't produce that.

carlcranshaw said:

Without Jam and Lewis Janet is "Genius' whispery little sister." Sales will never do without them.

You came all the way in here, read the posts and hit "reply" just to say this (tired) bullshit?

Seems to me that after the success of "All For You" in 2001, her releases were less and less interesting where Flyte Tyme was no longer overseeing her complete projects. I could be wrong, but with Jam & Lewis, she had a "sound." She no longer has a "sound."

With "Damito Jo" and "20 Y.O.", the titles alone were just ridiculous. And "20 Y.O." really didn't hark back to "Control" either.

As for "Discipline," also a great album, Jam & Lewis are M.I.A. and could have helped propel her back big time, I think. Again, I could be wrong. Even Jam & Lewis haven't cranked out any monster hits in 10 years other than with Usher. I would have liked to have seen "Higher Than This" by Ledisi rocket up the charts, alas, it didn't.

Back to Janet, I can't imagine her "wardrobe malfunction" would have much to do with her career lagging. Madonna's always bearing HERS! I'd like 2c J.J. come back tho with a major album. That'd be SWEET! Last I heard, she was goin' back 2 A&M. Does this still hold true?

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SEANMAN said:

carlcranshaw said:

Without Jam and Lewis Janet is "Genius' whispery little sister." Sales will never do without them.

You came all the way in here, read the posts and hit "reply" just to say this (tired) bullshit?

whitechocolatebrotha said:

Seems to me that after the success of "All For You" in 2001, her releases were less and less interesting where Flyte Tyme was no longer overseeing her complete projects. I could be wrong, but with Jam & Lewis, she had a "sound." She no longer has a "sound."

With "Damito Jo" and "20 Y.O.", the titles alone were just ridiculous. And "20 Y.O." really didn't hark back to "Control" either.

As for "Discipline," also a great album, Jam & Lewis are M.I.A. and could have helped propel her back big time, I think. Again, I could be wrong. Even Jam & Lewis haven't cranked out any monster hits in 10 years other than with Usher. I would have liked to have seen "Higher Than This" by Ledisi rocket up the charts, alas, it didn't.

Back to Janet, I can't imagine her "wardrobe malfunction" would have much to do with her career lagging. Madonna's always bearing HERS! I'd like 2c J.J. come back tho with a major album. That'd be SWEET! Last I heard, she was goin' back 2 A&M. Does this still hold true?

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When Madonna took her tits out in 1992 - MTV still played her, nominated her videos, allowed her to perform and have TV specials - radio still played her music (probably not as much as the 80's - but that's because the Erotica album was not radio friendly)

A MASSIVE, MASSIVE DIFFERENCE!

If Madge did the SB stunt her career would have been badly damaged in the States too. But she is a more determined artist/ attention seeker - so she would have concentrated on promoting herself abroad.

I still stand by my words in saying that Janet has NOT had a ground breaking album since The Velvet Rope.

The beginning of the end started during the All For You-era. Around that time, Janet have to complete against Britney & Christina.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

SEANMAN said:

You came all the way in here, read the posts and hit "reply" just to say this (tired) bullshit?

Scroll on if you don't like it.

mancabdriver said:

whitechocolatebrotha said:

Seems to me that after the success of "All For You" in 2001, her releases were less and less interesting where Flyte Tyme was no longer overseeing her complete projects. I could be wrong, but with Jam & Lewis, she had a "sound." She no longer has a "sound."

With "Damito Jo" and "20 Y.O.", the titles alone were just ridiculous. And "20 Y.O." really didn't hark back to "Control" either.

As for "Discipline," also a great album, Jam & Lewis are M.I.A. and could have helped propel her back big time, I think. Again, I could be wrong. Even Jam & Lewis haven't cranked out any monster hits in 10 years other than with Usher. I would have liked to have seen "Higher Than This" by Ledisi rocket up the charts, alas, it didn't.

Back to Janet, I can't imagine her "wardrobe malfunction" would have much to do with her career lagging. Madonna's always bearing HERS! I'd like 2c J.J. come back tho with a major album. That'd be SWEET! Last I heard, she was goin' back 2 A&M. Does this still hold true?

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When Madonna took her tits out in 1992 - MTV still played her, nominated her videos, allowed her to perform and have TV specials - radio still played her music (probably not as much as the 80's - but that's because the Erotica album was not radio friendly)

A MASSIVE, MASSIVE DIFFERENCE!

If Madge did the SB stunt her career would have been badly damaged in the States too. But she is a more determined artist/ attention seeker - so she would have concentrated on promoting herself abroad.

That has been Janet's biggest problem this past decade. She has totally neglected her international fanbase. I think even during All For You alot of her European Tour dates got canceled. During the nipplegate fiasco, she should have concentrated on her international fanbase instead of trying to promote in the states. I think she would have found way more success abroad.

mjscarousal said:

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Well I was suggesting that that would have been a good move for her during the Nipple Gate Fiasco when she was being blacklisted by the industry in the states. It would have been more beneficial to her in the long run if she had promoted abroad because the industry was not supporting her in the states. Michael's popularity/reputation was a bit different from Janet's. While MJ might not have been as popular in the states, he was still making number ones, still selling millions of albums and he was not being blacklisted by radio, MTV etc like Janet was. I think he eventually did get blacklisted though in the 00's. I agree she needs to go back to basics if she wants to continue in music.

mjscarousal said:

I think he eventually did get blacklisted though in the 00's.

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Or maybe people just didn't care for the work he released during that period?

shorttrini said:

When she stops making music for the hearing impaired, and starts singing instead of whispering....

finally someone who knows what she is...

mancabdriver said:

whitechocolatebrotha said:

Seems to me that after the success of "All For You" in 2001, her releases were less and less interesting where Flyte Tyme was no longer overseeing her complete projects. I could be wrong, but with Jam & Lewis, she had a "sound." She no longer has a "sound."

With "Damito Jo" and "20 Y.O.", the titles alone were just ridiculous. And "20 Y.O." really didn't hark back to "Control" either.

As for "Discipline," also a great album, Jam & Lewis are M.I.A. and could have helped propel her back big time, I think. Again, I could be wrong. Even Jam & Lewis haven't cranked out any monster hits in 10 years other than with Usher. I would have liked to have seen "Higher Than This" by Ledisi rocket up the charts, alas, it didn't.

Back to Janet, I can't imagine her "wardrobe malfunction" would have much to do with her career lagging. Madonna's always bearing HERS! I'd like 2c J.J. come back tho with a major album. That'd be SWEET! Last I heard, she was goin' back 2 A&M. Does this still hold true?

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When Madonna took her tits out in 1992 - MTV still played her, nominated her videos, allowed her to perform and have TV specials - radio still played her music (probably not as much as the 80's - but that's because the Erotica album was not radio friendly)

A MASSIVE, MASSIVE DIFFERENCE!

If Madge did the SB stunt her career would have been badly damaged in the States too. But she is a more determined artist/ attention seeker - so she would have concentrated on promoting herself abroad.

Janet is seen by the general public and by the media as the good girl next door. This tit flash during a family day superbowl was a huge misstep. Imagine if Miley did her first twerk and rubber finger move at the superbowl? It would have been a huge backlash. Even if Madonna (back in the early 90's) would have done the tit move at the superbowl it would have back fired. Madonna being Madonna (the bad girl) works at the right venues (Superbowl, Disneyland, kids programming not so much.)

I don't know why she's not selling anymore but let's just be thankful that she isn't.

vainandy said:

I don't know why she's not selling anymore but let's just be thankful that she isn't.

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Not nice! I'd disagree more strenuously if I actually liked her output since the 90's...

CandaceS said:

vainandy said:

I don't know why she's not selling anymore but let's just be thankful that she isn't.

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Not nice! I'd disagree more strenuously if I actually liked her output since the 90's...

The last album of hers that I liked was "Rhythm Nation". Loved it and everything before it. After "Rhythm Nation", when I heard "That's The Way Love Goes", I dropped that ass like a hotcake.

Timmy84 said:

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Yeah I should've worded it better, the Super Bowl didn't play a BIG hand in it. But a small portion can be "blamed" on it. But yeah her constant interviews trying to deny or make it that she was a victim (Jackson trademark from MJ on down) didn't help endear her to...anyone. Not in the U.S. and not overseas either (she didn't promote her albums much outside the U.S. after 2001). Plus add this: overtly and tiring sexual lyrics, the interludes and her moans.

What made Nipple-Gate even worse is when Justine & His Punk Ass went on a Media Tour blaming Janet..Because of that mess The GRAMMYS dumped Janet from introducing "The Luther Vandross" tribute segment and replaced her with Patti LaBelle..

fans like to search for mythical justification.
" MJ sales in 00's were low because of the scandal with children " ... ( what to do with HIStory? percent drop in sales between Bad and Dangerous almost the same as that between Dangerous and History: 35,000,000 ( Bad ) --- 30,000,000 ( Dangerous ) --- 20,000,000 ( History ) . His sales drop immediately after scandal was not devastating , so the scandal is not a major factor.
"Madonna stopped making good music " ... at least , MDNA is much better than awful Hard Candy , but the album did not sell even 2 million worldwide and hadn't any big hit .
" Prince didn't care about sales of his albums " ... Prince is a legend and even based on his name alone , he should have a much more respectable numbers.
" Janet is not popular because of SBI " ... immediately after SB her popularity and sales were not as critically low.

in fact their main enemy - time!
they simply ceased to be relevant .
their old hits will always be in demand because it is classic , but the audience is not interested in their new music.