EddieC said:

mjscarousal said:

I always spell her name that way but you know who I am talking about so what difference does it make?

Because some things aren't opinion, but are simple right and wrong. Spelling someone's name wrong (and coming back with "what difference does it make?" when someone points out your error) shows a lack of respect, either for the person you're talking about or the person you're talking to.

If you don't mean to show a lack of respect, spell the name right and accept correction when it comes. If you do mean to show a lack of respect, continue spelling it wrong. But be aware that you're showing a lack of respect, and don't be surprised if people decide to show some back.

Your making more out of it than what it really is...

Sometimes I spell her name correctly and alot of times I dont. (Thats a common mistake I make because due to typing to fast or brain working faster than typing so errors will happen) However, I do not purposely misspell her name to be disrespectful.

I obviously wasnt trying to be disrespectful towards her because I was suggesting she deserves some props sometimes than what she gets.

If the person that I am talking to knows who I am refering to and its a small mistake I dont see how that is disrespectful

mjscarousal said:

EddieC said:

Because some things aren't opinion, but are simple right and wrong. Spelling someone's name wrong (and coming back with "what difference does it make?" when someone points out your error) shows a lack of respect, either for the person you're talking about or the person you're talking to.

If you don't mean to show a lack of respect, spell the name right and accept correction when it comes. If you do mean to show a lack of respect, continue spelling it wrong. But be aware that you're showing a lack of respect, and don't be surprised if people decide to show some back.

Your making more out of it than what it really is...

Sometimes I spell her name correctly and alot of times I dont. (Thats a common mistake I make because due to typing to fast or brain working faster than typing so errors will happen) However, I do not purposely misspell her name to be disrespectful.

I obviously wasnt trying to be disrespectful towards her because I was suggesting she deserves some props sometimes than what she gets.

If the person that I am talking to knows who I am refering to and its a small mistake I dont see how that is disrespectful

mjscarousal said:

EddieC said:

Because some things aren't opinion, but are simple right and wrong. Spelling someone's name wrong (and coming back with "what difference does it make?" when someone points out your error) shows a lack of respect, either for the person you're talking about or the person you're talking to.

If you don't mean to show a lack of respect, spell the name right and accept correction when it comes. If you do mean to show a lack of respect, continue spelling it wrong. But be aware that you're showing a lack of respect, and don't be surprised if people decide to show some back.

Your making more out of it than what it really is...

Sometimes I spell her name correctly and alot of times I dont. (Thats a common mistake I make because due to typing to fast or brain working faster than typing so errors will happen) However, I do not purposely misspell her name to be disrespectful.

I obviously wasnt trying to be disrespectful towards her because I was suggesting she deserves some props sometimes than what she gets.

If the person that I am talking to knows who I am refering to and its a small mistake I dont see how that is disrespectful

The initial response indicated you routinely spelled it wrong (you did say "always") and that you didn't see why it mattered. I was just suggesting the way in which that response (or the initial misspelling) might be understood.

I understand making an error, correcting it when it's pointed out, and trying to avoid it as a general practice. I might or might not always get names right in the effort to type fast (and there are some names I just don't remember how they're spelled).

Actually, I just saw Cuddles's response to this conversation, and I think I'm done. Man, that's disturbing. Elephants are my favorite animals--I don't want to see that! Really.

EddieC said:

mjscarousal said:

Your making more out of it than what it really is...

Sometimes I spell her name correctly and alot of times I dont. (Thats a common mistake I make because due to typing to fast or brain working faster than typing so errors will happen) However, I do not purposely misspell her name to be disrespectful.

I obviously wasnt trying to be disrespectful towards her because I was suggesting she deserves some props sometimes than what she gets.

If the person that I am talking to knows who I am refering to and its a small mistake I dont see how that is disrespectful

The initial response indicated you routinely spelled it wrong (you did say "always") and that you didn't see why it mattered. I was just suggesting the way in which that response (or the initial misspelling) might be understood.

I understand making an error, correcting it when it's pointed out, and trying to avoid it as a general practice. I might or might not always get names right in the effort to type fast (and there are some names I just don't remember how they're spelled).

Actually, I just saw Cuddles's response to this conversation, and I think I'm done. Man, that's disturbing. Elephants are my favorite animals--I don't want to see that! Really.

Yeah I coulda lived my whole life without that image in my head.

Don't you just LOVE the internet?

EddieC said:

mjscarousal said:

Your making more out of it than what it really is...

Sometimes I spell her name correctly and alot of times I dont. (Thats a common mistake I make because due to typing to fast or brain working faster than typing so errors will happen) However, I do not purposely misspell her name to be disrespectful.

I obviously wasnt trying to be disrespectful towards her because I was suggesting she deserves some props sometimes than what she gets.

If the person that I am talking to knows who I am refering to and its a small mistake I dont see how that is disrespectful

The initial response indicated you routinely spelled it wrong (you did say "always") and that you didn't see why it mattered. I was just suggesting the way in which that response (or the initial misspelling) might be understood.

I understand making an error, correcting it when it's pointed out, and trying to avoid it as a general practice. I might or might not always get names right in the effort to type fast (and there are some names I just don't remember how they're spelled).

Actually, I just saw Cuddles's response to this conversation, and I think I'm done. Man, that's disturbing. Elephants are my favorite animals--I don't want to see that! Really.

Same!

I see your point.

duccichucka said:

GoldDolphin said:

I agree - Timberlake does have a nasally quality to his voice. And yeah, I guess it can certainly

be a bit distracting. Sometimes I think Michael Jackson's vocal quivering, hiccups and neologisms,

such as "cha-mon!", are a bit distracting too. But as long as you realize that singers are blessed

with timbre that you either prefer or don't, that's cool!

His dancing isn't great at all and he doesn't have the grace of a great dancer, nor is he innovative since most of his dance moves are borrowed from other great dancers

What constitutes as great dancing? What is it about Timberlake's dancing that allows you to

think it's not innovative or great? You must have a reason for saying these things; you must

have an example of someone who dances great and is a great innovative dancer and therefore,

a qualified big male pop star of a particular generation, right?!

People tend to forget that Off The Wall was not Michael Jackson's debut album. The solo

albums he had leading up to it were not as highly esteemed as what followed after OtW.

People tend to forget that the Michael Jackson who set the world afire with OfW, Thriller,

Bad and Dangerous, was just as much as a product that was resultant of innovative and

sound producing (Quincy Jones, Rod Temperton, Teddy Riley) that Justin Timberlake is!

So no - I'm not comparing the talents, legacy and music of Justin Timberlake to Michael

Jackson. I'm simply stating that:

1. Most of y'all who have great and intense dislike for JT cannot articulate why you do have

such a great and intense dislike for JT other than stating "It's my opinion! It's my preference!"

This argument is just as valid as stating "I like Justin Timberlake - it's my opinion! It's my

preference!"

2. Michael Jackson's work with Quincy Jones, Rod Temperton, and Teddy Riley is just as integral

to his music as is Justin Timberlake's work with Timbaland and the Neptunes. On his own, MJ

is entirely incapable of producing Off The Wall, Thriller, Bad and Dangerous. The same can be

said for Timberlake or Timberfake or whatever it is you haters are calling him these days!

The problem I'm having with this thread and the other Justin Timberlake threads in this

forum is that there are a handful of "taste makers" who believe they have been stricken

with the task of opining as to what is to pass for quality music here; and if you are in

disagreement with them, somehow you're stupid or you have some sadistic penchant for

being the butt of jokes and I just think that's silly! I think being made fun of, or

being castigated for liking a musician, is just so lame. But I think I understand the vitriol for

those of you who hate him!

I doubt you know him personally so it doesn’t matter really, because both of us, only know the image of him but like I said before, based on his IMAGE/ Portrayal in interviews, he comes across as fake, that’s all. I’m allowed to view him that way and you are allowed to view him the way you do.

Also I don’t know where you get the information Beethoven was an asshole? To the contrary, he was an introvert and wasn’t good with people but I’ve never ever heard he was an asshole lol. Prince on the other hand is a pretty well-known asshole according to what I’ve read and that does affect people’s artistry to some extent because people can’t fully listen to the their music because they feel it’s not authentic, then are others who don’t care about the image.

[ The reason why we have such a horrible state of music is because the common person doesn’t know much about music and that’s a shame. Back in the day people had much more knowledge about music and its theories. An important part of the development of music has been diminished to fans & stans and a following of obsessed people not knowing the history of the music they are listening to or what the musicians they follow got their inspiration from. It doesn’t help that the artists allow this penetration of the ego to continue, when they surround themselves with people who have no fucking clue what they are doing, but since they are an uber fan, they automatically have some type of right to discuss music as if they knew what music was. The artists need to surround themselves with people that know the arts and what music is and not just fans. The skill of being critical towards music is so low nowadays, that artists go on youtube and facebook to see what their fans are saying to lead them into what type of music they should make or who’s listening to them, when the point of music in the beginning was to continue to build your craft and musicianship… ]

I simply cannot discuss Justin Timberlake and Michael Jackson in the same way, because MJ is such an amazing vocalist with his 4 octave range and Justin is a flat singer in that regard. While I do understand that some people feel the hiccups and vocal quivering, “shamone” and such are distracting it’s also proof of his great vocal ability of sounds and rhythm, he never sounded the same on any record, which is proof of a great singer. So enough about that.

I grew up watching many great dancers and many different styles of dancing such as, latin American dancers, European dancers and African-american dancers and out of all the dancing I’ve seen, he simply doesn’t impress me. I could give you a bunch of names of ballet, tango, rumba, street, contemporary, modern dancers etc, but it’s just pointless because till the day a high profile in dancing mentions Timberlake in high regard I won’t do it either. So next.

It was not his first solo album in terms of his whole career, but as an ADULT SINGER it certainly was his first solo album. The reason as to why those other child albums weren’t that appreciated, might be for various reasons (but they do contain some of his best vocal work) and in all honesty, MJ was NOT involved in the making of those albums like he was OTW and that’s one of the main reasons they (Jacksons) left Motown, because MJ (+ brothers) had started writing his own songs by the age of 14 and wanted to be more creative and sing the way he wanted to.

Hmm… I don’t agree with your opinion at all, MJ was basically the co-producer along with his brothers for Destiny and Triumph and that’s without Quincy Jones, Rod Temperton etc. Also his songs Don’t Stop Till You Get Enough and Working Day & Night, Wannabe Be Startin Something, Sunset Driver that were written during the time of OTW are proof of MJs skills as a songwriter, producer and singer and again that’s completely without Quincy. He wrote an additional 12 other songs that were not included on the album, show me the songs that Timberlake wrote outside of The Neptunes and Timbo? There should at least be demos, like they exist with MJS work, please show me some evidence. Your thesis completely fails and of course music is a collaboration of people, that’s the essence of music and that includes Mr. Prince…

It’s fine with me, if you want to stan for Justin, just don’t bring in MJ or someone else in this discussion, compare him to his contemporaries. This comparison of him being the modern Sammy Davis Jr, / all-round entertainer is going too far…

lazycrockett said:

JT knows how to sell his brand, which is what you need to do today.

Marketing is what this article was paid made for.

I've said it before: Something about Timberlake has always rubbed me the wrong way. But the kid can legitimately sing, dance and act OK. He's got charisma, he aligns himself smartly with producers and other talent who will buoy his relevance, and, yes, let's put it out there: His being white ain't exactly hurting his broad marketability.

He uses all of this toward being the biggest or soon-to-be biggest male pop star of his generation, and who wouldn't? I ain't mad at him.

But I do have a question: I see more and more images of JT at the keys or with guitar in hand. Can he actually play, or does he dabble in instruments?

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Lammastide said:

I've said it before: Something about Timberlake has always rubbed me the wrong way. But the kid can legitimately sing, dance and act OK. He's got charisma, he aligns himself smartly with producers and other talent who will buoy his relevance, and, yes, let's put it out there: His being white ain't exactly hurting his broad marketability.

He uses all of this toward being the biggest or soon-to-be biggest male pop star of his generation, and who wouldn't? I ain't mad at him.

But I do have a question: I see more and more images of JT at the keys or with guitar in hand. Can he actually play, or does he dabble in instruments?

[Edited 3/25/13 6:14am]

The "dabble in instruments" is part of the marketing effort. He plays a little, but nothing to write home about.

I think he might be playing the instruments on stage so that he doesn't have to do the choreographed dance moves his fans are expecting. I know that he's been doing them again, but it almost looks like he doesn't take his own moves even half seriously anymore.

novabrkr said:

I think he might be playing the instruments on stage so that he doesn't have to do the choreographed dance moves his fans are expecting. I know that he's been doing them again, but it almost looks like he doesn't take his own moves even half seriously anymore.

It's part of the whole casualness of performance thing. I don't know what the Rat Pack was like at their height, but whenever I saw them as a kid they never seemed to be trying to do anything particularly well. It kind of played as we're so good, we don't have to try hard. (or, maybe, wow, we're drunk--but not just that).

I don't know, that's how it strikes me, anyway. You might say he's going at half-assed, but I think it's more nonchalance, casual (juxtaposed, of course, against that "suit and tie" thing).