Yeah...

a week after silence,

She has the nerve to do it at the SB press conference?

Seriously?

I try my best to stay neutral when it comes to artist.

But I really do hate her self rigteous, press whoring ass.

Emancipation89 said:

^^^ I must confess I was personally surprised how many people on the org considered Beyonce "average looking"...I guess beauty really is in the eye of the beholder. As someone who likes both Alicia & Bee, I think they're both very pretty but if I HAD to pick one I'd probably say 'Yonce. (and she still looks pretty even without makeup ) Alicia is....I can't really explain but it's like every time I see her smile, her eyes are not really smiling along if that makes any sense LOL But I'm not really a fan of Bey's pin straight dirty blonde hair like a lot of you guys...either natural look or even brown wavy hair compliments her features a lot better imo. I hope she realizes that stale concept is exactly what's making her look less beautiful and rather boring.

Regardless, I think she has such a gorgeous smile!!

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Agreed, Beyonce is a beautiful woman, it's a shame she has so much make-up on at times on and that stupid blonde weave, it's time for her to go natural. Since you like Bey and Alicia whats your "era" by them?

Emancipation89 said:

^^^ I must confess I was personally surprised how many people on the org considered Beyonce "average looking"...I guess beauty really is in the eye of the beholder. As someone who likes both Alicia & Bee, I think they're both very pretty but if I HAD to pick one I'd probably say 'Yonce. (and she still looks pretty even without makeup ) Alicia is....I can't really explain but it's like every time I see her smile, her eyes are not really smiling along if that makes any sense LOL But I'm not really a fan of Bey's pin straight dirty blonde hair like a lot of you guys...either natural look or even brown wavy hair compliments her features a lot better imo. I hope she realizes that stale concept is exactly what's making her look less beautiful and rather boring.

Regardless, I think she has such a gorgeous smile!!

[Edited 2/1/13 20:36pm]

I think you miss the concept when people call her "average looking"

TO ME, average looking means you look like the average person and Ive seen alot of people that look like Beyonce and alot that look better than her.

I guess people do see different things.

So when the media glorifies Beyonces beauty (like its rare) I dont think that accurate.

A rare beauty to me is someone like Elizabeth Taylor.

I dont see how calling her average looking, is saying she is unattractive or ugly. Obviously, she is not a ugly woman but their are more women who are more attractive than her and have the same level of attractiveness and in my opinion have it "naturally" without the makeup and weave.

I think someone like Gabrielle Union looks better than her with and without makeup...

Nobody is not calling Beyonce ugly because she is not ugly, I just think her looks are overrated. There are people out in the street that look the same and look better even celebrities.

Beyonces smile is not horrible but once again I would not say its gorgeous Someone who has a gorgeous smile is Janet.. now her smile is stunning (no I am not saying this because I am a fan, im saying it because its true)..

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mjscarousal said:

Emancipation89 said:

^^^ I must confess I was personally surprised how many people on the org considered Beyonce "average looking"...I guess beauty really is in the eye of the beholder. As someone who likes both Alicia & Bee, I think they're both very pretty but if I HAD to pick one I'd probably say 'Yonce. (and she still looks pretty even without makeup ) Alicia is....I can't really explain but it's like every time I see her smile, her eyes are not really smiling along if that makes any sense LOL But I'm not really a fan of Bey's pin straight dirty blonde hair like a lot of you guys...either natural look or even brown wavy hair compliments her features a lot better imo. I hope she realizes that stale concept is exactly what's making her look less beautiful and rather boring.

Regardless, I think she has such a gorgeous smile!!

[Edited 2/1/13 20:36pm]

I think you miss the concept when people call her "average looking"

TO ME, average looking means you look like the average person and Ive seen alot of people that look like Beyonce and alot that look better than her.

I guess people do see different things.

So when the media glorifies Beyonces beauty (like its rare) I dont think that accurate.

A rare beauty to me is someone like Elizabeth Taylor.

I dont see how calling her average looking, is saying she is unattractive or ugly. Obviously, she is not a ugly woman but their are more women who are more attractive than her and have the same level of attractiveness and in my opinion have it "naturally" without the makeup and weave.

I think someone like Gabrielle Union looks better than her with and without makeup...

Nobody is not calling her ugly because she is not ugly, just think her looks are overrated. There are people out in the street that look the same and look better even celebrities.

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Totally agree especially about the dark hair --she looks WAAAYYYY better. I've never thought she was ugly or unattractive, I just think her looks are overrated. I think that's part of her appeal: she's attractive but not TOO attractive or unique looking such that she is no longer relatable to potential fans. Some celebs like Vanessa Williams, Elizabeth Taylor, Grace Jones etc. have looks you will not see everyday. I'll also add my bf to that list too... No one ever forgets his face.

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TommorowNeverKnows said:Yeah...

a week after silence,

She has the nerve to do it at the SB press conference?

Seriously?

I try my best to stay neutral when it comes to artist.

But I really do hate her self rigteous, press whoring ass.

co-sign

Emancipation89 said:

^^^ I must confess I was personally surprised how many people on the org considered Beyonce "average looking"...I guess beauty really is in the eye of the beholder.

Beauty is definitely subjective, and from my view, I'd say she's above average, but there's more where that came from. I know that JLo is not the topic of discussion here, but personally I have seen some latina women in her hometown of the Bronx that can blow her out of the water, but she's attractive, though

Timmy84 said:

I agree with Musicslave here. I think Beyonce is very insecure about criticism. She should be at that stage to, as her husband once said, "brush the dirt off your shoulders", and keep it moving but it seems she's still struggling to prove to everyone that she has talent. It's like there's no denying she does but it seems she's still struggling with self-doubt and when people point out her kinks, she has to prove to them that she has it. It's sad really. Sixteen years into her career and she still has to "prove" herself. That's why I worry about her sometimes because I think she tends to overwork herself. Like didn't she get tips from Michael, Whitney and the likes on what NOT to do in terms of her career?

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exseru said:

Timmy84 said:

I agree with Musicslave here. I think Beyonce is very insecure about criticism. She should be at that stage to, as her husband once said, "brush the dirt off your shoulders", and keep it moving but it seems she's still struggling to prove to everyone that she has talent. It's like there's no denying she does but it seems she's still struggling with self-doubt and when people point out her kinks, she has to prove to them that she has it. It's sad really. Sixteen years into her career and she still has to "prove" herself. That's why I worry about her sometimes because I think she tends to overwork herself. Like didn't she get tips from Michael, Whitney and the likes on what NOT to do in terms of her career?

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Yeah and look how that worked out for them. Surely you mean negative reinforcement.

In actuality, she's following in Whitney's footsteps. Just like Beyoncé, Whitney sang over a pre-recorded track at the 1991 Super Bowl and got flak for it, so she sang it live, first verse a capella, at her Welcome Home Heroes concert a bit later. And nobody went on about her being a media whore or insecure.

http://www.youtube.com/wa...61AUst58nQ

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um...vainandy did!

mjscarousal said:

Emancipation89 said:

^^^ I must confess I was personally surprised how many people on the org considered Beyonce "average looking"...I guess beauty really is in the eye of the beholder. As someone who likes both Alicia & Bee, I think they're both very pretty but if I HAD to pick one I'd probably say 'Yonce. (and she still looks pretty even without makeup ) Alicia is....I can't really explain but it's like every time I see her smile, her eyes are not really smiling along if that makes any sense LOL But I'm not really a fan of Bey's pin straight dirty blonde hair like a lot of you guys...either natural look or even brown wavy hair compliments her features a lot better imo. I hope she realizes that stale concept is exactly what's making her look less beautiful and rather boring.

Regardless, I think she has such a gorgeous smile!!

[Edited 2/1/13 20:36pm]

I think you miss the concept when people call her "average looking"

TO ME, average looking means you look like the average person and Ive seen alot of people that look like Beyonce and alot that look better than her.

I guess people do see different things.

So when the media glorifies Beyonces beauty (like its rare) I dont think that accurate.

A rare beauty to me is someone like Elizabeth Taylor.

I dont see how calling her average looking, is saying she is unattractive or ugly. Obviously, she is not a ugly woman but their are more women who are more attractive than her and have the same level of attractiveness and in my opinion have it "naturally" without the makeup and weave.

I think someone like Gabrielle Union looks better than her with and without makeup...

Nobody is not calling Beyonce ugly because she is not ugly, I just think her looks are overrated. There are people out in the street that look the same and look better even celebrities.

Beyonces smile is not horrible but once again I would not say its gorgeous Someone who has a gorgeous smile is Janet.. now her smile is stunning (no I am not saying this because I am a fan, im saying it because its true)..

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Beyonce is beautiful with or without make-up. She was a pretty little girl who grew up to be a beautiful woman. I still can't get over the hate that this woman gets when she has done nothing to receive it. IF she was unattractive, she wouldn't be getting ANY of this jealosy/hate. The ironic thing is that most of the haters of this woman wouldn't be saying shit if THEIR favorite celebrity was getting the accolades that Bey is getting. What makes me even sicker is that it is BLACK people who are giving this woman crap, AND Beyonce has never acted anything BUT black.

In case, SOME people have forgetten, it was BLACK people who gave Whitney Houston hell because they didn't think that she sang BLACK enough, danced BLACK enough, etc. It was BLACK people who BOOed Whitney at a BLACK awards show. I have heard many people say that this hurt her more than anything in her life. Yet, here we are again, BLACK people, tearing down another black person. WTF? Beyonce is talented, works her ass off, is attractive, upholds her family and doesn't throw them under the bus, doesn't downgrade other celebrities, etc. Just what the ell has this woman done to deserve such SHIT from her OWN community. I don't give a fuck if you don't like her music. I don't like a lot of entertainers' music, however, I don't just live to tear them down for any little thing. NOW, if Beyonce was an arrogant, no-talent, cruel heifer, MAYBE I/others could have something to bitch about. Again, IMO, all of this "hate" on this woman is just JEALOUSY, pure and simple. Btw, one of the female DJ's in my city actually admitted that she hated on Bey because she is just jealous of her.(She said this in a playful manner, but I believe that is true in a lot of cases).

Let's not do to Beyonce what SOME of us did to WHitney and NOW all of those same people are acting as if they were always Whitney fans and didn't hate on her. I say stop the BULLSHIT!

TommorowNeverKnows said:

Yeah...

a week after silence,

She has the nerve to do it at the SB press conference?

Seriously?

I try my best to stay neutral when it comes to artist.

But I really do hate her self rigteous, press whoring ass.

I say, what BETTER place to do it. She walked out, sang the "Star-Spangled Banner" ACCAPELLA and basically shut the haters the fuck up. Anyone with a brain knows that Bey CAN sing. I give her props for the way that she handled it. FTR, it doesn't matter when/how she answered this thing, some people were going to bitch about it anyway. Damn if she did, and damn if she didn't.

Free2BMe said:

mjscarousal said:

I think you miss the concept when people call her "average looking"

TO ME, average looking means you look like the average person and Ive seen alot of people that look like Beyonce and alot that look better than her.

I guess people do see different things.

So when the media glorifies Beyonces beauty (like its rare) I dont think that accurate.

A rare beauty to me is someone like Elizabeth Taylor.

I dont see how calling her average looking, is saying she is unattractive or ugly. Obviously, she is not a ugly woman but their are more women who are more attractive than her and have the same level of attractiveness and in my opinion have it "naturally" without the makeup and weave.

I think someone like Gabrielle Union looks better than her with and without makeup...

Nobody is not calling Beyonce ugly because she is not ugly, I just think her looks are overrated. There are people out in the street that look the same and look better even celebrities.

Beyonces smile is not horrible but once again I would not say its gorgeous Someone who has a gorgeous smile is Janet.. now her smile is stunning (no I am not saying this because I am a fan, im saying it because its true)..

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Beyonce is beautiful with or without make-up. She was a pretty little girl who grew up to be a beautiful woman. I still can't get over the hate that this woman gets when she has done nothing to receive it. IF she was unattractive, she wouldn't be getting ANY of this jealosy/hate. The ironic thing is that most of the haters of this woman wouldn't be saying shit if THEIR favorite celebrity was getting the accolades that Bey is getting. What makes me even sicker is that it is BLACK people who are giving this woman crap, AND Beyonce has never acted anything BUT black.

In case, SOME people have forgetten, it was BLACK people who gave Whitney Houston hell because they didn't think that she sang BLACK enough, danced BLACK enough, etc. It was BLACK people who BOOed Whitney at a BLACK awards show. I have heard many people say that this hurt her more than anything in her life. Yet, here we are again, BLACK people, tearing down another black person. WTF? Beyonce is talented, works her ass off, is attractive, upholds her family and doesn't throw them under the bus, doesn't downgrade other celebrities, etc. Just what the ell has this woman done to deserve such SHIT from her OWN community. I don't give a fuck if you don't like her music. I don't like a lot of entertainers' music, however, I don't just live to tear them down for any little thing. NOW, if Beyonce was an arrogant, no-talent, cruel heifer, MAYBE I/others could have something to bitch about. Again, IMO, all of this "hate" on this woman is just JEALOUSY, pure and simple. Btw, one of the female DJ's in my city actually admitted that she hated on Bey because she is just jealous of her.(She said this in a playful manner, but I believe that is true in a lot of cases).

Let's not do to Beyonce what SOME of us did to WHitney and NOW all of those same people are acting as if they were always Whitney fans and didn't hate on her. I say stop the BULLSHIT!

That's what I was thinking. The same shit they gave to Whitney they're giving to Beyonce. Like I said, I think she tries real hard to please (regardless how it comes out) and people still bullshit about it. I'm kinda over this because we know she can sing. I just think it's more of a reflection on others than it is Beyonce when they criticize her or attempt to anyway.

Timmy, I agree with your post.

Free2BMe said:

You want to know what I am SICK AND TIRED OF?

I AM SICK OF TIRED of people calling anybody a hater just because they go against the grain of the "unpopular opinion", just because they dare to speak their opinion, just because they express "objective criticism". I think its BEYOND CHILDISH and quite ignorant exactly.

If someone is not: cussing out nobody's momma, calling anybody out their name, wishing death on them or wishing them failure, or making any insulting comments about them personally... then its not warranted for anybody to be labeling someone who expresses their opinion a hater.

YOU NEED TO GROW UP. YOU always act like this anytime someone has an opinion about Beyonce you do not like, IM TIRED OF IT.

Beyonce is beautiful with or without make-up. She was a pretty little girl who grew up to be a beautiful woman. I still can't get over the hate that this woman gets when she has done nothing to receive it. IF she was unattractive, she wouldn't be getting ANY of this jealosy/hate. The ironic thing is that most of the haters of this woman wouldn't be saying shit if THEIR favorite celebrity was getting the accolades that Bey is getting. What makes me even sicker is that it is BLACK people who are giving this woman crap, AND Beyonce has never acted anything BUT black.

WOW... this is the ignorant shit I dont like

So are you arguing that people just criticize Beyonce JUST because she is attractive?????????

Did you EVER STOP to think that maybe... JUST MAYBE people criticized her because

1. Her music is shit

2. She is overrated

3. She steals songwriting credits

4. She steals for other artists and people to get ideas

5. She thinks she is Michael Jackson/ Beatles/Elvis Presly

6. She receives a ton of awards (that are undeserving)

7. She makes outrageously conceited comments

8. She is very vain and conceited

9. She intentionally overexposes herself

10. She never strives to be artistic and creative but instead chases the radio to stay relevant and yet still gets praised for making mediocre lack luster music

I think their are ALOT of reasons why someone might not care for her or make have some criticism and I think its ignorant and generic to automatically suggest that they have certain views because of how she looks.

On the looks issue: I never said that she was unattractive...... but I did say that I have seen many women who look like her, who are more attractive than her and that her looks are overrated, THATS MY OPINION. If you disagree, than deal with it but I think its childish to call me a hater when I presented rational reasoning behind my opinion.

Beyonce doesnt even consider her self as black The heffa thinks she is Creole... (Creole is not even a race) and I have heard her numerous of times insist that out her mouth before you go ranting why you hate how black people criticize her

In case, SOME people have forgetten, it was BLACK people who gave Whitney Houston hell because they didn't think that she sang BLACK enough, danced BLACK enough, etc. It was BLACK people who BOOed Whitney at a BLACK awards show. I have heard many people say that this hurt her more than anything in her life. Yet, here we are again, BLACK people, tearing down another black person. WTF? Beyonce is talented, works her ass off, is attractive, upholds her family and doesn't throw them under the bus, doesn't downgrade other celebrities, etc. Just what the ell has this woman done to deserve such SHIT from her OWN community. I don't give a fuck if you don't like her music. I don't like a lot of entertainers' music, however, I don't just live to tear them down for any little thing. NOW, if Beyonce was an arrogant, no-talent, cruel heifer, MAYBE I/others could have something to bitch about. Again, IMO, all of this "hate" on this woman is just JEALOUSY, pure and simple. Btw, one of the female DJ's in my city actually admitted that she hated on Bey because she is just jealous of her.(She said this in a playful manner, but I believe that is true in a lot of cases).

Let's not do to Beyonce what SOME of us did to WHitney and NOW all of those same people are acting as if they were always Whitney fans and didn't hate on her. I say stop the BULLSHIT!

First off, Dont bring up Whitney into this conversation, PLEASE Because Beyonce did not make the same impact musically or touched people the same way.

Also, why does it have to be about BLACK people or a BLACK ISSUE? I am just giving MY OPINION. So why are you generalizing an entire race? Ive heard alot of people of many other races that have said the same thing about Beyonce and find her to be very overrated. In fact, some are much more insulting and quite cruel especially the comments Ive read over the internet.

Beyonce is very arrogant and she is very self centered. I also thought it was obnoxious how she handled the miming controversy. If she could sing for the press conference, why couldnt she sing for the President? and then afterward she said "any questions"

If Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, Janet Jackson, Aretha Franklin did not get a pass for miming, WHY SHOULD BEYONCE? That all comes within the territory of being a entertainer. She ISNT PERFECT or so ABOVE criticism.

Beyonce does not get bashed, publicly ridiculed, or criticized daily like our favorite singer was like your implying in this post

And if your tired of people giving their objective critiques on her, than I suggest you complain to the orgers that love making threads on her knowing she is not a favorable singer here.

Free2BMe said:

TommorowNeverKnows said:

Yeah...

a week after silence,

She has the nerve to do it at the SB press conference?

Seriously?

I try my best to stay neutral when it comes to artist.

But I really do hate her self rigteous, press whoring ass.

I say, what BETTER place to do it. She walked out, sang the "Star-Spangled Banner" ACCAPELLA and basically shut the haters the fuck up. Anyone with a brain knows that Bey CAN sing. I give her props for the way that she handled it. FTR, it doesn't matter when/how she answered this thing, some people were going to bitch about it anyway. Damn if she did, and damn if she didn't.

Look STAN...

Don't get high and mighty on me, defending your showboating fallen idol.

She could've went out the next day of the inauguration, gave a statement and apologized.

She waited a week, because her PR crew was too busy trying to do damage control.

Or even worst... profiting from all the hype, which she probably wanted.

There is no shame in lip syncing these days during a tour. But THERE is shame, when you do it at a Presidential Inauguration!

She made a self serving and calculated decision, cause she was intimidated.

If you can't handle the pressure, don't take the job.

Everybody knows she can sing, it was the principle on singing along with a vocal track at a PRESIDENTIAL INAUGURATION. Thats just as bad as Lance Armstrong doping to win the Tour De France...

Then to top it all off she used the SB press conference to showboat.

Because she's attention whore. Always has been since her daddy mapped out her future, and pulled strings for her.

Mjscarousal is right.

I had no problems with Bey when she was in Destiny's Child...

i met her at the hit factory, in New York before it closed, when she was a sweet pimple faced girl.

Today she's different.

She let the industry and a sea of yes men currupt her.

she IS conceited. She IS a Songwriting credit stealer...

she DOES intentionally overexpose herself.

I.E. she's become yet another industry puppet

Who'll rise and fall like the morning star.

Damn yall are obsessed with this bitch.

I come back after 3 days yall still harping on it. And I'm pretty sure I know why, but I won't say anthing more.

Carry on..

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mjscarousal said:

Free2BMe said:

You want to know what I am SICK AND TIRED OF?

I AM SICK OF TIRED of people calling anybody a hater just because they go against the grain of the "unpopular opinion", just because they dare to speak their opinion, just because they express "objective criticism". I think its BEYOND CHILDISH and quite ignorant exactly.

You are right. I AM sick of people who act as if their so-called "popular" OPINION is right and no one can call them out on their opinion. IMO, I FEEL THAT THE "HATE" that Beyonce gets and that is just what it is, is pure JEALOUSY. Your and anyone else's so-called "objective" opinion is no more "objective" than mine when I call people "haters". Btw, CHILDISH has crap to do with it, and it is IGNORANT to relate my opinion with being childish

If someone is not: cussing out nobody's momma, calling anybody out their name, wishing death on them or wishing them failure, or making any insulting comments about them personally... then its not warranted for anybody to be labeling someone who expresses their opinion a hater.

YOU NEED TO GROW UP. YOU always act like this anytime someone has an opinion about Beyonce you do not like, it's stupid.

Let's get it straight, little girl, I AM GROWN. Just as you have your opinion on YOUR favorites. You don't see me whining and being pissy when you defend your favorites. FTR, I respect Beyonce for her work ethic and talent, but she is hardly my favorite. ANYONE with even a semblance of a brain KNOWS that I am a Michael Jackson FANATIC. However, that doesn't negate the fact that I get tired of all of the shit thrown at Beyonce. Just as YOU can "hate" on her any other damn thing that you want to call it, I can disagree, debate, discuss, and say the fuck what I want. Where do you get off THINKING that you can dictate when a person defends Beyonce. I notice that you and some others get your panties all in a roll when they don't jump on the "Beyonce Bash Wagon". If that's the popular opinion, then I am one of those people that do the OPPOSITE, just because everyone else is doing it.

WOW... this is the ignorant shit I dont like

Exactly, I don't like the ignorant shit that YOU throw out, but that's life. There's nothing that you can do about what I say, and there is nothing that I can do about what you say, BUT disagree. So take it for what it is.

So are you arguing that people just criticize Beyonce JUST because she is attractive?????????

Did you EVER STOP to think that maybe... JUST MAYBE people criticized her because

1. Her music is shit.

YOUR opinion.

2. She is overrate

MAYBE, but is that HER fucking fault?

3. She steals songwriting credits

You mean she does like several other artists out there who claim songwriting credits and don't really write their songs?

4. She steals for other artists and people to get ideas.

Is she the first artist to be influenced by other artists?

5. She thinks she is Michael Jackson/ Beatles/Elvis Presly

Damn, who doesn't WANT to be like Michael, Beatles or Elvis in terms of success and popularity. WANTING to be and THINKING that she is are two different things. FTR, I have NEVER heard Beyonce say that she IS Michael or any of the others mentioned. I have heard OTHERS say that she is on Michael's level. She is NOT and I haven't heard HER say that.

6. She receives a ton of awards (that are undeserving)

Beyonce deserves her swards, just as much as anyoe else who has received awards. Do you say that when other artists win their awards? Or is Beyonce the only person who doesn't deserve her awards.

7. She makes outrageously conceited comments

When? Where?

8. She is very vain and conceited

In YOUR opinion. I have never seen Beyonce act vain or conceited. In fact, she acts shy in interviews. I've never seen her have the type of arrogant, "full of herself" attitude like Jennifer Hudson.

9. She intentionally overexposes herself

If working her ass off doing HER thing is overexposing herself, then that is HER problem, not yours or anyone else who wants her to sit down so that THEIR favorite celebrity can release something. Beyonce doesn't have to sit the fuck down for other artists to release something. Is this exclusive to our community that one artist has to sit back so that our favorite artist can do something? You don't see white people thinking that ignorant ass way with their artists?

10. She never strives to be artistic and creative but instead chases the radio to stay relevant and yet still gets praised for making mediocre lack luster music

Again, it is not her fault that the media kisses her ass. She works HARD and she DESERVES her success. Who gives a shit if she wants to remain relevant? NOTHING out there now on the radio is worth a damn, IMO. However, I am not going to begrudge Beyonce her success, just because she wants to be relevant. SHE is NOT praising HERSELF. You act as if she is going on radio and television giving HERSELF praise and that would be a lie if you said that.

I think their are ALOT of reasons why someone might not care for her or make have some criticism and I think its ignorant and generic to automatically suggest that they have certain views because of how she looks.

I mentioned her looks because a lot of ignorant ass people ALWAYS bring up her looks. You are in denial if you claim that SOME people don't have a lot of these views because Beyonce is attractive. You can bet your ass if Beyonce wasn't attractive, she would get virtually NO criticism or "hate". You can take that to the bank.

On the looks issue: I never said that she was unattractive...... but I did say that I have seen many women who look like her, who are more attractive than her and that her looks are overrated, THATS MY OPINION. If you disagree, than deal with it but I think its childish to call me a hater when I presented rational reasoning behind my opinion.

OF COURSE, there are many women who may be/are more attractive than Beyonce. Just as theire are ANY women who are more attractive than your FAVORITE artists. What does that have to do with anything? Who the hell said that Beyone was the MOST attractive woman in the world/ I didn't and no else on this board has. Are you hating on this woman because the media thinks that she is attractive or beautiful? Do you get all out of joint when they put a white entertainer on a magazine cover? Do you say, THAT woman is not the most attractive woman. Some of this shit that you and others do IS childish AND ignorant.(Those are YOUR words and I am just throwing them back at you. I have NEVER said or implied that Beyoce is the most attractive woman in the world. However, I am not going to act as if she is not a beautiful woman. She is and all the hating and twisting of my words is not going to change that .

Beyonce doesnt even consider her self as black The heffa thinks she is Creole... (Creole is not even a race) and I have heard her numerous of times insist that out her mouth before you go ranting why you hate how black people criticize her

Her daddy is BLACK. Her mother is BLACK(Creole is Black/French).

In case, SOME people have forgetten, it was BLACK people who gave Whitney Houston hell because they didn't think that she sang BLACK enough, danced BLACK enough, etc. It was BLACK people who BOOed Whitney at a BLACK awards show. I have heard many people say that this hurt her more than anything in her life. Yet, here we are again, BLACK people, tearing down another black person. WTF? Beyonce is talented, works her ass off, is attractive, upholds her family and doesn't throw them under the bus, doesn't downgrade other celebrities, etc. Just what the ell has this woman done to deserve such SHIT from her OWN community. I don't give a fuck if you don't like her music. I don't like a lot of entertainers' music, however, I don't just live to tear them down for any little thing. NOW, if Beyonce was an arrogant, no-talent, cruel heifer, MAYBE I/others could have something to bitch about. Again, IMO, all of this "hate" on this woman is just JEALOUSY, pure and simple. Btw, one of the female DJ's in my city actually admitted that she hated on Bey because she is just jealous of her.(She said this in a playful manner, but I believe that is true in a lot of cases).

Let's not do to Beyonce what SOME of us did to WHitney and NOW all of those same people are acting as if they were always Whitney fans and didn't hate on her. I say stop the BULLSHIT!

First off, Dont bring up Whitney into this conversation, PLEASE Because Beyonce did not make the same impact musically or touched people the same way.

Yes, I am going to bring up Whitney in this discussion. The SAME shit that you and others are throwing at Beyonce is the same shit that OUR community threw at Whitney. Maybe, you are TOO YOUNG to know or remember. Black people "hated" on WHitney for stupid ass things. They didn't like the way she dressed. They didn't like the way she wore her hair. They didn't like the way she danced. They said her songs sounded "too white". They BOOED this lady at the Soul Train Awards when she won an award that THEY didn't think she should have won.

ANYONE knows that Whitney had more impact musically than Beyonce has. You say that Whitney TOUCHED people. Yes, she touched people; but, those same people talked about her, made derogatory remarks about her EVERY chance they could and this was BEFORE the drug issues. AFTER, she died, these same people were acting as if they have always given her the respect she DESERVED. Sadly, they waited until she was gone.

Also, why does it have to be about BLACK people or a BLACK ISSUE? I am just giving MY OPINION. So why are you generalizing an entire race? Ive heard alot of people of many other races that have said the same thing about Beyonce and find her to be very overrated. In fact, some are much more insulting and quite cruel especially the comments Ive read over the internet.

I am just giving MY opinion. I am also telling you what happened to Whitney. It wasn't white people who booed her, it was her own people. Damn, I just get sick of the same tired old crap of us tearing down our own and then when it is too late, we come back acting as if our hands are clean.

Beyonce is very arrogant and she is very self centered. I also thought it was obnoxious how she handled the miming controversy. If she could sing for the press conference, why couldnt she sing for the President? and then afterward she said "any questions"

I liked how she handled it. She pretty much did what Whitney did the Star-Spangled Banner. Whitney never addressed it. She just sang it LIVE at a concert and released it as a single. I wonder why people forget that Beyonce CAN sing and DID sing the "Star-Spangled Banner" at the SUperbowl. However, her GREAT rendention of this song was overshadowed by the Janet Jackson incident.

If Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, Janet Jackson, Aretha Franklin did not get a pass for miming, WHY SHOULD BEYONCE? That all comes within the territory of being a entertainer. She ISNT PERFECT or so ABOVE criticism.

Has anyone said or implied that Beyonce is perfect or above criticism/ Just because some people don't jump on the bandwagon doesn't mean that they think she is perfect or above criticism. How silly to even utter such a thing!

Beyonce does not get bashed, publicly ridiculed, or criticized daily like our favorite singer was like your implying in this post

THIS is the ONLY thing that you have said in this post that I AGREE with. Beyonce is NOWHERE close to being bashed, ridiculed or criticized like Michael. NO ONE has EVER had to go through what he did and no one WILL, because NO ONE will EVER be on the level that he was on.

And if your tired of people giving their objective critiques on her, than I suggest you complain to the orgers that love making threads on her knowing she is not a favorable singer here.

I thought YOU were the one TIRED. I don't care if you and others criticize Beyonce, that's your right. However, you can't act like a spoiled brat and act as if no one can challenge your criticism, or disagree with your "hating" or whatever you want to call it. The bottomline is if you can dish it out, be prepared to get it right back. I have NO problem with people "hating" on Beyonce. I am going to CONTINUE to disagree, just for the hell of it.(wink, wink)

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mjscarousal said:

Free2BMe said:

So are you arguing that people just criticize Beyonce JUST because she is attractive?????????

Did you EVER STOP to think that maybe... JUST MAYBE people criticized her because

1. Her music is shit

2. She is overrated

3. She steals songwriting credits

4. She steals for other artists and people to get ideas

5. She thinks she is Michael Jackson/ Beatles/Elvis Presly

6. She receives a ton of awards (that are undeserving)

7. She makes outrageously conceited comments

8. She is very vain and conceited

9. She intentionally overexposes herself

10. She never strives to be artistic and creative but instead chases the radio to stay relevant and yet still gets praised for making mediocre lack luster music

Mjscarousal you hit the nail on the head! And I agree with everything you posted but especially the bolded part. Some people just dont get it. She shouldnt receive any criticism because she works hard? SO WHAT? Like she's the only hard working entertainer in the bizness? She isnt. The main reason she gets a lot the criticism or "hate" is because she is overexposed, overrated, comes across as phoney, vain, conceited and yet is shoved down the collective public's throat as a brilliant artist and the female Michael Jackson of our time. She's a legend in her own mind and she's got her PR team working overtime trying to convince the world that she is the legend she believes she is. But I'm not buying it and so arent a lot of other people.

When you try to shove something down people's throat and FORCE them to LOVE IT, force them to buy into it, then there is bound to be backlash because people do not want to be force-fed a product. They want to choose who they think is worthy for themselves. Plus familiarity breeds contempt but its the absence that makes the heart grow fonder The more people see you, the less they like you. If you go away for a while, stop showing your face every day, then they will welcome your return after you have been gone awhile. The Beyonce backlash reminds me of the backlash Mariah Carey received in the late 90s. She too was overexposed and accused of being overrated for a while and people were getting real tired of her. I remember reading a lot of anti-Mariah Carey comments online and they were brutal! Same thing with Britney Spears in the early 2000s. So Beyonce isnt any different and she isnt receiving any more or less criticism than other artists before her. But this anti sentiment is what happens when you are overexposed and overrated. The backlash is an inevitability. Its not hate, its just people being tired of having to see you all the time after you have worn out your welcome.

Free2BMe said:

TommorowNeverKnows said:

Yeah...

a week after silence,

She has the nerve to do it at the SB press conference?

Seriously?

I try my best to stay neutral when it comes to artist.

But I really do hate her self rigteous, press whoring ass.

I say, what BETTER place to do it. She walked out, sang the "Star-Spangled Banner" ACCAPELLA and basically shut the haters the fuck up. Anyone with a brain knows that Bey CAN sing. I give her props for the way that she handled it. FTR, it doesn't matter when/how she answered this thing, some people were going to bitch about it anyway. Damn if she did, and damn if she didn't.

How about at the inauguration?

rialb said:

Free2BMe said:

I say, what BETTER place to do it. She walked out, sang the "Star-Spangled Banner" ACCAPELLA and basically shut the haters the fuck up. Anyone with a brain knows that Bey CAN sing. I give her props for the way that she handled it. FTR, it doesn't matter when/how she answered this thing, some people were going to bitch about it anyway. Damn if she did, and damn if she didn't.

How about at the inauguration?

rialb said:

Free2BMe said:

I say, what BETTER place to do it. She walked out, sang the "Star-Spangled Banner" ACCAPELLA and basically shut the haters the fuck up. Anyone with a brain knows that Bey CAN sing. I give her props for the way that she handled it. FTR, it doesn't matter when/how she answered this thing, some people were going to bitch about it anyway. Damn if she did, and damn if she didn't.

How about at the inauguration?

Free2BMe said:

TommorowNeverKnows said:

Yeah...

a week after silence,

She has the nerve to do it at the SB press conference?

Seriously?

I try my best to stay neutral when it comes to artist.

But I really do hate her self rigteous, press whoring ass.

I say, what BETTER place to do it. She walked out, sang the "Star-Spangled Banner" ACCAPELLA and basically shut the haters the fuck up. Anyone with a brain knows that Bey CAN sing. I give her props for the way that she handled it. FTR, it doesn't matter when/how she answered this thing, some people were going to bitch about it anyway. Damn if she did, and damn if she didn't.

How about at the inauguration?

Timmy84 said:

rialb said:

How about at the inauguration?

Yeah, that would have been better and I bet that she wishes she had. However, that still does not change my opinion about the "hate" that she receives. However, IF she did take a break and came back, I wonder if the "hate" would still be there? People are saying that they don't like her or "hate" her because she is overexposed. Maybe. Vain or conceited? I haven't seen that. Don't like her music? Personal opinion. I have no problem with that. The ironic thing is that I am defending Beyonce because I KNOW that it is NOT the popular thing to do. FTR, I LIKE being on that OPPOSITE side. I like not being on the "Hate-On" Beyonce bandwagon. Btw, If my defense of Bey fires the "bandwagoners" up, I say Yay!!!!

Well I haven't really exposed myself to Beyonce. But seriously this is already dead. No use harping on about it from either side, really. But then again, I know most will comment on her Super Bowl performance anyways lol

rialb said:

Free2BMe said:

I say, what BETTER place to do it. She walked out, sang the "Star-Spangled Banner" ACCAPELLA and basically shut the haters the fuck up. Anyone with a brain knows that Bey CAN sing. I give her props for the way that she handled it. FTR, it doesn't matter when/how she answered this thing, some people were going to bitch about it anyway. Damn if she did, and damn if she didn't.

How about at the inauguration?

Right!

michelle williams is not michelle obama