OldFriends4Sale said:

She has sold more than 300 million records worldwide and is recognized as the world's best-selling female recording artist of all time by Guinness World Records. Considered to be one of the "25 Most Powerful Women of the Past Century" by Time for being an influential figure in contemporary music, she is known for continuously reinventing both her music and image, and for retaining a standard of autonomy within the recording industry. Critics have praised her diverse musical productions which have also been known to induce controversy.

I'm not trying 2 be a smart ass..........but so what.

At the end of the day..............shouldn't I actually like the music or just the sales stats?

She sounds like the music of every producer she ever hired.

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Graycap23 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

She has sold more than 300 million records worldwide and is recognized as the world's best-selling female recording artist of all time by Guinness World Records. Considered to be one of the "25 Most Powerful Women of the Past Century" by Time for being an influential figure in contemporary music, she is known for continuously reinventing both her music and image, and for retaining a standard of autonomy within the recording industry. Critics have praised her diverse musical productions which have also been known to induce controversy.

I'm not trying 2 be a smart ass..........but so what.

At the end of the day..............shouldn't I actually like the music or just the sales stats?

She sounds like the music of every producer she ever hired.

[Edited 11/16/12 12:34pm]

so what, that shows how relevant she is

I'm not saying a person has to like anyones music to be relevant

No, you don't have to like the music, the same way people didn't have to like Prince in the 1980's for him still to be relevant

She's Italian, the Italian/Romans never changed the cultures the dominated, they worked with it to continue to increase

the only time Prince really had his own sound was the 1980's after that you could hear the unwanted influence of the music scene in his music too

Nothing wrong with sounding like a producer to get an effect, doesn't make her non relevant

Graycap23 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Madonna was in total control of her music and image, she wrote and co-wrote her songs as well.

she directed the sound and direction from the start, 1 of the reason she has been looked to by most female acts that followed from many different genre. In a mans world she was the boss

Whether someone can play an instrument, I don't see how that makes them relevant: James Brown nor Michael Jackson, Diana Ross nor Tina Turner played an instrument

I still need to read your defination of relevant

4 me?

Relevant: 1.Do I like the music

2. Does that artist influence the sound/style of other artist (musically)

I don't think #1 is 100% needed for relevancy

New Wave music was relevant at a time, and the fact that many people didn't like it's genre direction made it relevant

#2 Yes Madonna definately influences the sound/style of other artists ...ask Xtina Britney Rihanna Nikki Lady Gaga, many female rappers, Salt n Pepa Queen Latifah etc

OldFriends4Sale said:

Graycap23 said:

4 me?

Relevant: 1.Do I like the music

2. Does that artist influence the sound/style of other artist (musically)

I don't think #1 is 100% needed for relevancy

New Wave music was relevant at a time, and the fact that many people didn't like it's genre direction made it relevant

#2 Yes Madonna definately influences the sound/style of other artists ...ask Xtina Britney Rihanna Nikki Lady Gaga, many female rappers, Salt n Pepa Queen Latifah etc

2 each his own I guess.

She has NEVER moved me at all on any level.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Terrib3Towel said:

I know a lot of the orgers are older and don't care for newer acts, but to a 15 to 25 year RiRi or Katy Perry is 'relevant' to them because the radio plays them and they have hits. However to a person who doesn't care their music they're not relevant. I've been jamin to Brandy lately, everybody knows Brandy hasn't been relevant in like 10 years if you base being relevant on chart success. But she's relevant to me because I enjoy listening to her.

I've also been jamin some Rufus ft. Chaka, are they 'relevant' to the current music world? Hell no, but I don't care because they're relevant to ME becaue I'M the one listening to them. Who cares what anybody else thinks?

EDIT: Like I said earlier, Madonna was NEVER relevant to me because I don't like her music an I never will. It's simple, really.

good, but the relevancy in connection to the article is not about 1 person in the population

in many places the fact that people who don't like her respond to her makes her relevant

I don't like Pat Robertson, but he is relevant in a large part of our culture, and has influence and may have indirect influence in the world you live in

does Rihanna (is that RiRi?) regard Madonna? Do you think Madonna's career has opened door for Rihanna or Brandy or Lady Gaga or Britney etc... the answer is most likely yes

The Bajan star admitted that she looked up to the iconic performer when she was growing up and that she would love to collaborate with her in the future.

“You know, Madonna is one of those artists who was very self-expressive, she was bold, she was fearless, and all of those were things I looked up to as a young woman,” Rihanna said during an interview on Facebook Live.

“I really just wanted to be myself and feel free to express it and not really be afraid of what people think about it. Madonna’s still the s**t, and she’ll always be Madonna. She’s the queen.”

Asked by Bravo’s Andy Cohen if she would like to work with Madonna, Rihanna replied: “That would be so sick. I would love to. Who knows? Let’s put it in the air.”

Yes, Madonna has paved the way for non-singing hacks like Rihanna.

Happy now?

Graycap23 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I don't think #1 is 100% needed for relevancy

New Wave music was relevant at a time, and the fact that many people didn't like it's genre direction made it relevant

#2 Yes Madonna definately influences the sound/style of other artists ...ask Xtina Britney Rihanna Nikki Lady Gaga, many female rappers, Salt n Pepa Queen Latifah etc

2 each his own I guess.

She has NEVER moved me at all on any level.

Well it's always been to each his own, I never suggested you must like her lol

Liking someone has nothing to do with their relevancy, because obviously a whole lot of people from regular - hardcore fans, people who like to see a good concert but aren't really 'fans' other artists, musicians, film directors, actors, entertainers, religious figures, photograhers and designers, are moved by her

when a political commentator(Glenn Beck) on his show says he wishes she would just die and go away as a result of something he decided to go out of his way to read that she said, I think that makes her or a person relevant

Entertainers, Musicians, Artists etc have always had influence on culture(s) in her case in 1 big way was opening doors for women entertainers

Terrib3Towel said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

good, but the relevancy in connection to the article is not about 1 person in the population

in many places the fact that people who don't like her respond to her makes her relevant

I don't like Pat Robertson, but he is relevant in a large part of our culture, and has influence and may have indirect influence in the world you live in

does Rihanna (is that RiRi?) regard Madonna? Do you think Madonna's career has opened door for Rihanna or Brandy or Lady Gaga or Britney etc... the answer is most likely yes

The Bajan star admitted that she looked up to the iconic performer when she was growing up and that she would love to collaborate with her in the future.

“You know, Madonna is one of those artists who was very self-expressive, she was bold, she was fearless, and all of those were things I looked up to as a young woman,” Rihanna said during an interview on Facebook Live.

“I really just wanted to be myself and feel free to express it and not really be afraid of what people think about it. Madonna’s still the s**t, and she’ll always be Madonna. She’s the queen.”

Asked by Bravo’s Andy Cohen if she would like to work with Madonna, Rihanna replied: “That would be so sick. I would love to. Who knows? Let’s put it in the air.”

Yes, Madonna has paved the way for non-singing hacks like Rihanna.

Happy now?

and maturity has blown out the window... bye bye lol

OldFriends4Sale said:

Graycap23 said:

2 each his own I guess.

She has NEVER moved me at all on any level.

Well it's always been to each his own, I never suggested you must like her lol

Liking someone has nothing to do with their relevancy, because obviously a whole lot of people from regular - hardcore fans, people who like to see a good concert but aren't really 'fans' other artists, musicians, film directors, actors, entertainers, religious figures, photograhers and designers, are moved by her

when a political commentator(Glenn Beck) on his show says he wishes she would just die and go away as a result of something he decided to go out of his way to read that she said, I think that makes her or a person relevant

Entertainers, Musicians, Artists etc have always had influence on culture(s) in her case in 1 big way was opening doors for women entertainers

I'm only focused on the MUSIC.

Graycap23 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Well it's always been to each his own, I never suggested you must like her lol

Liking someone has nothing to do with their relevancy, because obviously a whole lot of people from regular - hardcore fans, people who like to see a good concert but aren't really 'fans' other artists, musicians, film directors, actors, entertainers, religious figures, photograhers and designers, are moved by her

when a political commentator(Glenn Beck) on his show says he wishes she would just die and go away as a result of something he decided to go out of his way to read that she said, I think that makes her or a person relevant

Entertainers, Musicians, Artists etc have always had influence on culture(s) in her case in 1 big way was opening doors for women entertainers

I'm only focused on the MUSIC.

(instrumental?)music

songs/music affects different aspects of culture

as much as I love Prince when he puts out songs that are too cryptic in language they can't be easily engrafted into people(s) life, culture etc,

Last December is a wonderful song(awesome music) but overall the lyrics are hard to understand which direction he's coming from, so the effect is less. I love the Rainbow Children album, because 1.) I tend to listen to how the music(not lyrics) move, then how the song is song(not words) 3.) then finally what's being said.

I'm a big jazz fan, because I don't tend to care for lyrics 1st

Graycap23 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

She has sold more than 300 million records worldwide and is recognized as the world's best-selling female recording artist of all time by Guinness World Records. Considered to be one of the "25 Most Powerful Women of the Past Century" by Time for being an influential figure in contemporary music, she is known for continuously reinventing both her music and image, and for retaining a standard of autonomy within the recording industry. Critics have praised her diverse musical productions which have also been known to induce controversy.

I'm not trying 2 be a smart ass..........but so what.

At the end of the day..............shouldn't I actually like the music or just the sales stats?

She sounds like the music of every producer she ever hired.

[Edited 11/16/12 12:34pm]

Exactly. Drake has been popular and successful for a while now. That flow (though not originated by him) is the only flow heard on radio nowadays. Even rappers with better lyrics copy that bullshit flow.

He also does hip hop, R&B (I use the terms loosely) and dance/house/pop.

Me and many others think he is very untalented and has awful music, but if his success continues should he be considered great?

Good for him by the way, an untalented guy who puts out complete bullshit and is making money.

Terrib3Towel said:

I know a lot of the orgers are older and don't care for newer acts, but to a 15 to 25 year RiRi or Katy Perry is 'relevant' to them because the radio plays them and they have hits. However to a person who doesn't care their music they're not relevant. I've been jamin to Brandy lately, everybody knows Brandy hasn't been relevant in like 10 years if you base being relevant on chart success. But she's relevant to me because I enjoy listening to her.

I've also been jamin some Rufus ft. Chaka, are they 'relevant' to the current music world? Hell no, but I don't care because they're relevant to ME becaue I'M the one listening to them. Who cares what anybody else thinks?

EDIT: Like I said earlier, Madonna was NEVER relevant to me because I don't like her music an I never will. It's simple, really.

[Edited 11/16/12 12:20pm]

Well said Terrible

As long as YOU like an artists they are relevant to you

Whether they are relevant on the charts or not is just blah blah blah to me.

And speaking of Rihanna.... u would say Rihanna is more the modern Madonna then Lady GaGa.

Nearly every fucking song rihanna has hits the top 10, just like most Madonna singles from the 80's * 90's hit the top 10.

They make big budget sexualized and cotroversial videos.....

they both started out as studio creations & hell both of them even eventually learned to play guitar

The way Rihanna is played & hyped i can only imagine is the same way Madonna was back in the day.

Hey, c'mon now, she can still do all the latest moves.....

"Oppan grandma style!!"

(Now, put your bloomers away, dear, before you catch a chill.)

deebee said:

Hey, c'mon now, she can still do all the latest moves.....

"Oppan grandma style!!"

(Now, put your bloomers away, dear, before you catch a chill.)

and she did the party rock at the superbowl

She makes sure no dance craze gets past her.

Gunsnhalen said:

deebee said:

Hey, c'mon now, she can still do all the latest moves.....

"Oppan grandma style!!"

(Now, put your bloomers away, dear, before you catch a chill.)

and she did the party rock at the superbowl

She makes sure no dance craze gets past her.

Nothing could get past her, what with knees and elbows flying everywhere.

deebee said:

Hey, c'mon now, she can still do all the latest moves.....

"Oppan grandma style!!"

(Now, put your bloomers away, dear, before you catch a chill.)

watching without the sound on it looks like a pair of fucking halfwits pissed out their heads on punch at the old folks home christmas party

Gunsnhalen said:

Terrib3Towel said:

I know a lot of the orgers are older and don't care for newer acts, but to a 15 to 25 year RiRi or Katy Perry is 'relevant' to them because the radio plays them and they have hits. However to a person who doesn't care their music they're not relevant. I've been jamin to Brandy lately, everybody knows Brandy hasn't been relevant in like 10 years if you base being relevant on chart success. But she's relevant to me because I enjoy listening to her.

I've also been jamin some Rufus ft. Chaka, are they 'relevant' to the current music world? Hell no, but I don't care because they're relevant to ME becaue I'M the one listening to them. Who cares what anybody else thinks?

EDIT: Like I said earlier, Madonna was NEVER relevant to me because I don't like her music an I never will. It's simple, really.

[Edited 11/16/12 12:20pm]

Well said Terrible

As long as YOU like an artists they are relevant to you

Whether they are relevant on the charts or not is just blah blah blah to me.

I agree, there is personal relevance and pop cultural relevance(which is what the article is focused on)

And I dont think just being on the charts makes one relevant nor being on the charts or not in America

Prince was extremely relevant and popular in 1988/89 but he wasnt on the top charts not selling billions of albums especially in the USA but in Europe he seemed to have entered another level of superstardom

OldFriends4Sale said:

Gunsnhalen said:

Well said Terrible

As long as YOU like an artists they are relevant to you

Whether they are relevant on the charts or not is just blah blah blah to me.

I agree, there is personal relevance and pop cultural relevance(which is what the article is focused on)

And I dont think just being on the charts makes one relevant nor being on the charts or not in America

Prince was extremely relevant and popular in 1988/89 but he wasnt on the top charts not selling billions of albums especially in the USA but in Europe he seemed to have entered another level of superstardom

That is true to!

But it's also sad with how well some of the hits of these artists are panned

I made a thread about prince singles you never hear, and it seems people only want to play when doves cry, Little red corvette, 1999, kiss, purple rain etc. a few times i heard Alphabet Street ^ Rasberry Berret

I have never heard Pop Life, Sign ''O'' The Times, Cream, Diamonds & Pearls, Thieves In The Temple etc.

Just like some of the good Madonna singles like Bad Girl, Take A Bow, Power Of Goodbye etc. Get little play today.

To be honest, I don't see how she became relevant in the first place. What I mean about that for an example, how did her peers like Cyndi Lauper cut one album, and then fade into obscurity or those who pioneered before her has never made it to the level that she has. Sex sells, true, but there are others who can sing circles around her, and sell it too. What 'it' factor does she has that her peers and those before her didn't have. I'll give it to her, though. If you can still sell out arenas, and can still outdo the younger generation, then you're still relevant. Will she still be relevant at let's say, eighty years old? I am trying to imagine an eighty year old sexpot with a cone shaped bra and crucifix earrings to match

Terrib3Towel said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

good, but the relevancy in connection to the article is not about 1 person in the population

in many places the fact that people who don't like her respond to her makes her relevant

I don't like Pat Robertson, but he is relevant in a large part of our culture, and has influence and may have indirect influence in the world you live in

does Rihanna (is that RiRi?) regard Madonna? Do you think Madonna's career has opened door for Rihanna or Brandy or Lady Gaga or Britney etc... the answer is most likely yes

The Bajan star admitted that she looked up to the iconic performer when she was growing up and that she would love to collaborate with her in the future.

“You know, Madonna is one of those artists who was very self-expressive, she was bold, she was fearless, and all of those were things I looked up to as a young woman,” Rihanna said during an interview on Facebook Live.

“I really just wanted to be myself and feel free to express it and not really be afraid of what people think about it. Madonna’s still the s**t, and she’ll always be Madonna. She’s the queen.”

Asked by Bravo’s Andy Cohen if she would like to work with Madonna, Rihanna replied: “That would be so sick. I would love to. Who knows? Let’s put it in the air.”

Yes, Madonna has paved the way for non-singing hacks like Rihanna.

Happy now?

Oh well

ISF said:

Terrib3Towel said:

She was never relevant to me.

Damn right! Though I did love Crazy For You.

Nice song

i hate the word 'relevant'.

it's a snobby thing to imply about anyone; "they're not relevant!"

So ... what?... we shouldn't look? We shouldn't go to the concert? Should I click the link? What's your point?

It feels like a lazy person's way to win an arguement.

I dislike madonna these days because she takes herself too seriously, and she's not that much fun.

See what I did there? It was an opinion!

The second we get rid of meaningless words like "relevant", we can get down to business. Which would be explaining ourselves.

Beautifulstarr123 said:

Source link: http://clclt.com/charlott...id=2922216

Ironically i picked this paper up on Wednesday and when i saw the cover

i immediately thought of the org.

Paul Simon once said, "Who cares about the stars? Stars come and go. It's the songs that remain."

Which is a good point. Paul Simon argueably stopped being relevant when, after the 60's ended? But "Bridge Over Troubled Water" is probably THE most recorded song ever and will never go away.

Madonna will always have "Borderline" and "Like A Virgin".

OldFriends4Sale said:

Graycap23 said:

I'm not trying 2 be a smart ass..........but so what.

At the end of the day..............shouldn't I actually like the music or just the sales stats?

She sounds like the music of every producer she ever hired.

[Edited 11/16/12 12:34pm]

so what, that shows how relevant she is

I'm not saying a person has to like anyones music to be relevant

No, you don't have to like the music, the same way people didn't have to like Prince in the 1980's for him still to be relevant

She's Italian, the Italian/Romans never changed the cultures the dominated, they worked with it to continue to increase

the only time Prince really had his own sound was the 1980's after that you could hear the unwanted influence of the music scene in his music too

Nothing wrong with sounding like a producer to get an effect, doesn't make her non relevant

What do you mean by this? I am lost. What does her race or ethnic have to do with her being relevant?

Also while I agree with some of your points, you are hyping Madonna a tad much. Madonna will always be relevant in terms of her popularity and influence in pop culture because she is the most successful female entertainer. With that being said, that in no way reflects he talent or artistry. Madonna is primarily seen as a Icon because of her image and the marketing risks she took and less to do with her music specifically while although she does have classics.

She does have a handful of catchy tunes I enjoy but she is not in a MJ, Prince league of legendary status and especially MJ interms of his relevancy. I admire Madonna's hustle but she really has no talent outside of knowing the right people and producers. I also know that is not why she is relevant but when you say she is relevant and talk about her success its good to break down why she is successful. Most of it has nothing to do with her having real talent and more to do with how she was marketed which in itself doesnt have anything to do with music.

She has inspired other artists currently but those inspirations havent really been a good thing for the industry because now we have singers who exaclty cant sing or singers who rely on gimmicks to replace their bad music.

Mintchip said:

I agree with everything said about moderate levels of talent, and her gift for image manipulation. But I still think something needs to be said about the songs. It's not just borderline and like a virgin. And it's a lot more than a handful. If you string together every single she released...put em in a line...holy shit that'd be one long line. And ya, there's crap in there. But there's a lot of classic songs too. vogue like a prayer, music, open your heart, express yourself, ray of light...it gets to a point where it's hard to think of another artist with so many damn singles. Most of them quality. Most of them

She does have quality classics but all I am saying is she should not be mentioned in the same sentence as PRINCE!! JUST NO! Thats where the whole notion of her being overrated rings true.

IMO she hasn't been relevant to pop culture since 2005 - COADF. Nobody buys her albums anymore and her last two single didn't even made the HOT100.

I feel like people finally see her for what she is - a talentless fraud

phunkdaddy said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

Source link: http://clclt.com/charlott...id=2922216

Ironically i picked this paper up on Wednesday and when i saw the cover

i immediately thought of the org.

Madonna is more famous 4 fashion, art , and other things than she is 4 music.

What's wrong with this picture?